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Scroll down to the program titled "The World is Ending Again: This Time in 2012..." for an MP3 file of an interview I did with some theologians from the Unity Church a few weeks ago (first aired on October 2).
"Every generation since the ink first dried on the first copy of the Book of Revelation has believed they were living in the end times. Doomsday and/or the coming of the Kingdom of God has been predicted over 220 times just since the beginning of the Common Era. Now a new crop of end-is-near authors are making large claims—and large profits in book sales—about the new doomsday date in December 2012 when the Mayan calendar completes its cycle. Although New Age literature rhapsodizes about the coming transformation, legitimate scholars like Sandra Noble, executive director of a Mesoamerican research organization, have called the portrayal of December 2012 as a doomsday or cosmic-shift event “a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in.” This week Dr. Shepherd’s panel includes Mesoamerican and Unity biblical scholars as they consider the phenomenon of doomsday in the history and consciousness of humanity."
www.unity.fm/program/TalkAboutIt
"Every generation since the ink first dried on the first copy of the Book of Revelation has believed they were living in the end times. Doomsday and/or the coming of the Kingdom of God has been predicted over 220 times just since the beginning of the Common Era. Now a new crop of end-is-near authors are making large claims—and large profits in book sales—about the new doomsday date in December 2012 when the Mayan calendar completes its cycle. Although New Age literature rhapsodizes about the coming transformation, legitimate scholars like Sandra Noble, executive director of a Mesoamerican research organization, have called the portrayal of December 2012 as a doomsday or cosmic-shift event “a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in.” This week Dr. Shepherd’s panel includes Mesoamerican and Unity biblical scholars as they consider the phenomenon of doomsday in the history and consciousness of humanity."
www.unity.fm/program/TalkAboutIt
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Re: The World is Ending Again
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 6:24 AMThe western world has a strong bias for future cathartic events because of abrahamic religious traditions, especially christinanity. Since these religions are so damn mean that they can't live in one room together, and since the modern world is becoming that one room, it is tempting for me to see some cathartic event in their future too! -
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Re: The World is Ending Again
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 7:05 AMSorry, Wil. I wouldn't pin it on the "Abrahamic" (you mean Jewish, right?) religious traditions. As noted in this interview, some ideas about a future cathartic event appear to have come from Zoroastrianism.
I think Jewish ideas about Armageddon can be traced to the death of King Josiah of Jerusalem in a battle with Pharaoh Necho II in 609 BC on a plain near the ancient tell of Har Megiddo. Josiah, who came to power as a young child under the influence of powerful priiests, the heir to a long legacy of corrupt forebears, was killed as a young ruler at the peak of his power (sort of like an ancient Jewish JFK). Josiah had been celebrated as a powerful and influential leader--despite his age (sort of like Obama)--who rectified past wrongs, overseeing the extirpation of idolatry and other non-Jewish practices, supervising public readings of an ancient "scroll of law" (thought to be the Book of Deuteronomy) that had been "discovered" during a restoration of the Temple, and initiating the first nation-wide celebration of Passover. When he was cut down at the height of his popularity, his death sent a huge shock wave through the entire nation of Israel.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megiddo_(place)
Josiah's death signaled the beginning of the end for Jerusalem under the First Temple. Within a generation after his death (in 586 BC), the Babylonians invaded Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple (which must have been, for the Israelites, a metaphysical "end of the world"), and deported the nobility, priests, upper classes, and intelligensia to Babylon.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_exile
The destruction of the Temple and the massive deportation to Babylon resulted in a period of intense soul-searching and introspection, especially since this collapse of Jewish civilization occurred so soon after its peak (a situation not so different from that of the Maya, although for the Jews the collapse was even more rapid and dramatic). Prophets like Isaiah (actually a conflation of several individuals) sought to explain the destruction of the Temple not just as a conquest by the more powerful and expansionistic Babylonians, but as a metaphysical crisis precipitated by the moral failings of the people of Israel. A historical defeat became a metaphysical punishment.
It seems likely that--as with JFK and Elvis--there were rumors that the popular King Josiah had not really died but was actually alive and would return to save the Jews. When time passed and this didn't happen, his story morphed into one of a metaphysical return of the ancient king and a post-Babylon restoration of the royal lineage of David, complete with references to Armageddon (i.e. "Har Megiddo," the place of his defeat). It may also have been in Babylon that Jewish authors picked up bits of the Epic of Gilgamesh--the story of a catastrophic flood--to weave into an official story (in Genesis) of God's first punishment of the world for bad behavior.
It's probably not an accident that the Hebrew name "Jesus" is similar (with a few sound changes) to the name of "Josiah." There may even have been a backward projection of an invented sacred mythology of the conquest of Canaan led by Joshua (note the similarity--especially in Hebrew writing--to "Josiah," and "Jesus") after the Exodus as a national legend that reconstructed events of the past (which almost certainly had not unfolded as described) to inspire hopes for the future.
Anyway, the destruction of the First Temple *was* a kind of cathartic event, after which Judaism was radically transformed into a royalty-free, priest-led religion of the Second Temple. It was transformed yet again after the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans in 70 CE, a historical event that once again "ended the world" and propelled yet another mythology--the one that resulted in Christianity and the metaphysical deification of the "King of Kings" in the story of Jesus.
Anyway, these are some of my own theological musings. I think a reasoned perspective on Jewish and Christian mythologies, as on the myths about the Maya calendar and 2012, can help us to understand a bit of what's really going on in the construction of "truth" and "reality." -
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Re: The World is Ending Again
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 7:25 AMNo i do not mean to single jews out at all, by abrahamic i mean islamic, christian and jewish all three...and i think they got some of the seed ideas from the zoros or same place. (i think they picked up a case of mono there) The idea seems to come up again and again in western traditions, predictions of catharsis and various cathartic events both........which totally figures doesn't it. Not that they have a patent on it, norse mythology comes from other sources and i think a lot of other mythologies. I suppose that is in the back of our collective mind too. Anyway, all these are woven into our cultural fabric reinforcing and replicating the meme again and again.
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Re: The World is Ending Again
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 7:28 AMGoing along with what you said, Hoopes, do you think a struggle right now in the Middle East against Isreal and Iran could lead to Isreal bombing Iran and the Muslim people striking back and the Temple on the Mount being destroyed in the end? I mean with all the changes that have occured by the destruction in that one location alone, that could bring back the third temple being built there if Isreal won the war and took over that area... -
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Re: The World is Ending Again
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 7:41 AM"i think they picked up a case of mono there"
Hah Hah! Good one, Wil, -
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Re: The World is Ending Again
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 7:45 AMThe idea that constitutionally pessimistic people make the best stock market pickers has some bearing on this too. Pessimism probably has selective advantage for humans. Double entendre intended.
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Re: The World is Ending Again
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 9:31 AM"do you think a struggle right now in the Middle East against Isreal and Iran could lead to Isreal bombing Iran and the Muslim people striking back and the Temple on the Mount being destroyed in the end?"
Of course it could!
If it involved nukes, one of the dilemmas is the question of which of the following scenarios would be *worse* for Judaism:
A) A pre-emptive, defensive nuclear strike against a nuclear-armed Iran, perhaps taking out the capitals other enemies at the same time, the result of which would be the protection of Israel but a guarantee that Israelis (and Jews) would be identified worldwide as genocidal pariahs for centuries to come, or...
B) Allowing a nuclear-armed Iran to wipe out Tel Aviv and other major targets in Israel without retaliation, perhaps (?) averting WWIII but in the process suffering a *second* Holocaust as well as the total annihilation of Israel as a center of Jewish history, religious life, and culture. For this, the Iranians and other enemies of Israel would become the genocidal pariahs for centuries to come.
Don't forget that the Temple Mount is sacred to *both* Jews and Muslims. thankfully, I don't think either is willing to see it destroyed.
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