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Shaping Conventional Wisdom
by Henry See
from www.sott.net/articles/sh...ional-Wisdom
We ran an article www.newsweek.com/id/130637/output/print recently on the Signs page about the elite that run the world. It is from a mainstream publication, about as mainstream as they get in the US: Newsweek. It is about the group of people the author calls the "Superclass" and who are:
"part of a new global elite that has emerged over the past several decades. I call it the 'superclass.' They have vastly more power than any other group on the planet. Each of the members is set apart by his ability to regularly influence the lives of millions of people in multiple countries worldwide. Each actively exercises this power, and often amplifies it through the development of relationships with other superclass members. This new class of elites is both more permeable, and more transient, than elites of the past...
The top 10 percent of all people, for example, now control 85 percent of all wealth on the planet.
That such a group exists is indisputable. It includes the heads of the biggest financial institutions, the 14 families Blankfein joked about, and then some; the top 50 control almost $50 trillion in assets. The heads of the world's biggest corporations are also members; the top 2,000 support perhaps 500 million people, generate almost $30 trillion in sales and have well over $100 trillion in assets. The list also includes top government officials with real cross-border influence... media barons...religious leaders...cultural icons..."
The author goes on to describe the lifestyle "up there", looking down upon the rest of us peons from the leather seats of their private jets as they circle the globe entangling us in their machinations. No standing in line at airports and passing through humiliating security checks for these folks. No way. They just implement those rules to keep the rest of us in line.
It is a small group, and they all know one another.
Says Stephen Schwarzman, CEO of Wall Street's Blackstone Group, "The world is pretty small. In almost every one of the areas in which I am dealing or in which we at Blackstone are looking at deals, you find it is just 20, 30 or 50 people worldwide who drive the industry or the sector."
They meet at places like Davos to "get to know one another, hatch deals and exercise perhaps the greatest power the superclass has collectively: to shape conventional wisdom."
Did you catch that phrase about shaping "conventional wisdom"? You know what that really means, right? Brainwashing. Telling us what to think. Shaping the insides of our heads by creating the invisible prison bars of thought that keep us prisoner while they scurry around robbing and plundering under our very noses.
They have it down to a well-oiled and highly perfected machine. They have conquered our minds, and once that has happened, there is precious little one can do until the mind has been reclaimed.
Unfortunately, how can you find the time to reclaim your own right to think when you are thoroughly preoccupied with putting food on the table? When you are worried that the next health problem will bankrupt the family? Worried whether you will be able to pay for your next dose of anti-depressants because the big pharmaceutical companies have raised the price yet again? Or how to pay for that impressive car or big screen flat-panel TV bought with financing.
How could you even get suckered into thinking you needed that car or TV or those anti-depressants in the first place?
"Shaping conventional wisdom" is a thought war. If one never asks the right question, it doesn't matter what the answer is, and all the wrong questions and answers are being broadcast into your brains over the television, via the newspapers and radio, in the mindless activities of the Internet, and via the gossip around the water cooler at work.
What is the step from being there, confronted with these problems, real and imagined, bombarded by mindlessness 24 hours a day, not to mention the waves that are part of the new 'connected' environment that affect us from cell phones, wireless internet connections, or microwaves, to wondering, "Gee, it does look like Bush, Cheney, and their cronies in Israel had something to do with 911, doesn't it"?
How big is that leap?
How many people do you know who are willing to pose the question? And if they have posed the question, how many have risen above the likely response, "Well, what can I do about it?", before returning to their TV or computer.
So this small group, this "superclass", have done their job well.
But don't be fooled by the idea that this new "superclass" is "permeable" or "transient", as the author puts it. The psychopaths at the top have always had minions working for them, the expendable ones.
Heck, even your corner street gang leader knows that. Look at this example from Political Ponerology:
When drawn into a felonious group, these constitutionally weakened individuals become faint-critical helpers and executors of the leader's intentions, tools in the hands of more treacherous, usually psychopathic, leaders. Once arrested, they submit to their leaders' insinuated explanations that the higher (paramoral) group ideal demands that they become scapegoats, taking the majority of blame upon themselves. In court, the same leaders who initiated the delinquencies mercilessly dump all the blame onto their less crafty colleagues. Sometimes a judge actually accepts the insinuations. [Political Ponerology, Andrew Lobaczewski, p. 112.]
Think 'Scooter' Libby. Only at this level, the ones with the real power can get their "constitutionally weakened" patsies off the hook. Libby took one for the team and was duly pardoned. As for Bush and Cheney, after dumping the blame for the Valerie Plame leak onto Libby, they walked out clean as any Mafia don or street-corner bully who had the patsy take the fall.
The author of the Newsweek article concludes by saying:
"In short, while we may have a somewhat different superclass in the future, until the people of the world are more comfortable with creating the kind of strong global governance mechanisms that can contain and regulate many of their activities, the 6,000 will continue to play the greatest role of any group on the planet in defining our times."
Well, we won't even comment on the need to "contain and regulate" their activities, because that is so far from being all that is necessary, that the remark, slipped in like that, is nothing more than another example of the shaping of conventional wisdom. It sets the limits in the reader's mind before he or she has even thought the problem through.
So just take note of that and then think about the figure he gives.
Six thousand people. All over the world.
Six thousand people. Who know each other. Who meet secretly, plan our future, and make decisions that affect billions of people. Six thousand people who "shape conventional wisdom".
Could you call it a "conspiracy"? Or would that be stretching it?
Is it any less a conspiracy because they meet in the "open" in places like Davos? What are they doing the other 364 days of the year?
But even if we don't use the C-word, does that make it any more just? Let's say it isn't a conspiracy, that these individuals are just average Joes, luckier and richer than the rest of us, doing their best. Does the fact that "the top 10 percent of all people, for example, now control 85 percent of all wealth on the planet" not reveal an injustice so profound, one that is so deep, so overwhelming, that it really doesn't matter whether or not it is a "conspiracy"?
When you read that, don't the hairs on your neck stand upright at the sheer horror of it?
If they don't, why not? Have you become anaesthetized?
If 6,000 people really have that much power, then isn't the use of the word "conspiracy" really something of a straw man, erected precisely in order to divert attention, to "shape conventional wisdom", as it were?
Then think about the way the Palestinians are being killed a few at a time while the entire population suffers from the occupation, an occupation that if it were happening to any other group on the planet would be on the front pages of every newspaper in the West.
"Shaping conventional wisdom".
Look, then, at Iraq, the destruction of a country that was one of the most vital in the Middle East prior to the "liberation" by the forces of "democracy and freedom". There are estimates that well over one million Iraqis have died. But we saw images of Iraqis happily welcoming US invaders into the country.
"Shaping conventional wisdom"?
Have you been following the food riots that are breaking out around the globe? Do you think the "superclass" are going to go hungry?
So there it is, in black and white and Newsweek of all places. Of course, sociologists have been studying this for years and have been saying much the same thing: power resides in a small group of people. What is new is that globalization has switched the focus from a power elite in one country to a power elite that more or less openly runs the world. And they are doing it out in the open. They aren't hiding when they jet off to Davos. Their arrogance and their success in "shaping conventional wisdom" is such that they no longer need to hide it. Hey, they can get away with 911, and no one called them on it.
No one.
Except for that small group of people who have refused to succumb to "conventional wisdom". But this group can be easily handled, marginalized, set against each other, and rendered uncredible through the planting of outlandish theories that discredit the serious researchers. Agents are sent in to cause disputes and in-fighting that cripples the movement.
It is down to a science. The science of control. "Shaping conventional wisdom".
It worked with the Kennedy assassinations. It worked again with 911.
Why? Because most people are struggling around the ultimate problem. They have not yet identified it, the root problem, the underlying cause: psychopathy and deviants in control of our world.
All the struggle and fighting for justice, for sustainable growth, for equity and equality among the peoples isn't going to get us anywhere as long as we continue to think that we are up against people "like us", people with a heart, with a conscience, who care about the world's peoples. Bono can run around from meeting to meeting extracting promises till he is blue in the face or U2 has another number one hit, and it isn't going to change a thing. Promises while he is at the table, a quick photo op with Bush or Blair or the humanitarian politician of the month, and then laughter when he walks out of the room.
They don't care one whit.
Worse than that, not only will they never lift a finger to improve things for the majority of people on the planet, they do their best to destroy anything the people themselves set out to accomplish. It is easy for a few to destroy the life's work of thousands. All it takes is one psychopath. It is much harder to create, to give something real to the world. It is an uphill fight at the best of times, and we are not in the best of times.
While the people struggling for change are busy in the trenches, through what Naomi Klein calls disaster capitalism the pathocrats ferret out the individuals and organizations in a country that are actually working to improve the lives of the people, either by killing them or jailing them or banning them, and they then implant economic policies that benefit this same small group and institute dictatorships to ensure the new laws are followed, all done with the knowledge garnered from research such as that done by Ivan Pavlov on transmarginal inhibition. And they do it under the banner of "democracy'! Iraq was invaded and destroyed in the name of "democracy", in the name of "freedom".
Well, if this is what they have been doing since the end of the Second World War, what are they up to now? Disaster capitalism is business as usual, or has been for the last forty years. But something feels different now, in our post-911, pre-apocalyptic, return of Jesus world.
The "superclass" are stockpiling the samples of the world's grain supplies on an island off Norway.
They are building underground bases.
They are making it more and more difficult to fly and travel, from humiliating searches and ridiculous regulations about putting toothpaste in clear, plastic, government approved baggies instead of the clear plastic travel kit your spouse gave you, to issuing passports with electronic ID that will include any piece of private information they can find about you.
They are closing down the economy by siphoning off ever greater amounts of money through their criminal and fraudulent trading practices.
They are poisoning us with their genetically modified foods, not to mention forcing people to return year after year to the multinationals to buy new seeds instead of continuing on in their old ways of setting aside seed from one year for the next.
They are spying on us, checking our emails, our credit and debit card purchases, our library book borrowing, our text messaging and cell phone messages, our telephone calls, our medical records.
It sounds to me like they are preparing for something.
And what could that be, after years of dumbing us down, after years of numbing us with TV, cell phones, deficient schooling, after years of war?
They are hanging us out to die. They know the planet is subject to cyclic catastrophes. They know the next one in the cycle is due very soon. If SOTT can see a sharp increase in the sightings of fireballs fireballs-meteorites.blogspot.com/ in the skies, don't you think, with all their black budgets, that the pathocrats have a even clearer idea about it than we do?
It is all part of one, overreaching plan: to save themselves while letting space rocks take care of the rest of us.
But if someone can't even see 911, how can they see this?
If it is impossible for your average citizen to transgress their inner world and strictures of thought about 911, if it goes against everything they believe, against the "conventional wisdom" drummed into us since we were children, how could they possibly comprehend the whole?
But, you, reading this page, you see it, don't you?
What are you going to do about it?
by Henry See
from www.sott.net/articles/sh...ional-Wisdom
We ran an article www.newsweek.com/id/130637/output/print recently on the Signs page about the elite that run the world. It is from a mainstream publication, about as mainstream as they get in the US: Newsweek. It is about the group of people the author calls the "Superclass" and who are:
"part of a new global elite that has emerged over the past several decades. I call it the 'superclass.' They have vastly more power than any other group on the planet. Each of the members is set apart by his ability to regularly influence the lives of millions of people in multiple countries worldwide. Each actively exercises this power, and often amplifies it through the development of relationships with other superclass members. This new class of elites is both more permeable, and more transient, than elites of the past...
The top 10 percent of all people, for example, now control 85 percent of all wealth on the planet.
That such a group exists is indisputable. It includes the heads of the biggest financial institutions, the 14 families Blankfein joked about, and then some; the top 50 control almost $50 trillion in assets. The heads of the world's biggest corporations are also members; the top 2,000 support perhaps 500 million people, generate almost $30 trillion in sales and have well over $100 trillion in assets. The list also includes top government officials with real cross-border influence... media barons...religious leaders...cultural icons..."
The author goes on to describe the lifestyle "up there", looking down upon the rest of us peons from the leather seats of their private jets as they circle the globe entangling us in their machinations. No standing in line at airports and passing through humiliating security checks for these folks. No way. They just implement those rules to keep the rest of us in line.
It is a small group, and they all know one another.
Says Stephen Schwarzman, CEO of Wall Street's Blackstone Group, "The world is pretty small. In almost every one of the areas in which I am dealing or in which we at Blackstone are looking at deals, you find it is just 20, 30 or 50 people worldwide who drive the industry or the sector."
They meet at places like Davos to "get to know one another, hatch deals and exercise perhaps the greatest power the superclass has collectively: to shape conventional wisdom."
Did you catch that phrase about shaping "conventional wisdom"? You know what that really means, right? Brainwashing. Telling us what to think. Shaping the insides of our heads by creating the invisible prison bars of thought that keep us prisoner while they scurry around robbing and plundering under our very noses.
They have it down to a well-oiled and highly perfected machine. They have conquered our minds, and once that has happened, there is precious little one can do until the mind has been reclaimed.
Unfortunately, how can you find the time to reclaim your own right to think when you are thoroughly preoccupied with putting food on the table? When you are worried that the next health problem will bankrupt the family? Worried whether you will be able to pay for your next dose of anti-depressants because the big pharmaceutical companies have raised the price yet again? Or how to pay for that impressive car or big screen flat-panel TV bought with financing.
How could you even get suckered into thinking you needed that car or TV or those anti-depressants in the first place?
"Shaping conventional wisdom" is a thought war. If one never asks the right question, it doesn't matter what the answer is, and all the wrong questions and answers are being broadcast into your brains over the television, via the newspapers and radio, in the mindless activities of the Internet, and via the gossip around the water cooler at work.
What is the step from being there, confronted with these problems, real and imagined, bombarded by mindlessness 24 hours a day, not to mention the waves that are part of the new 'connected' environment that affect us from cell phones, wireless internet connections, or microwaves, to wondering, "Gee, it does look like Bush, Cheney, and their cronies in Israel had something to do with 911, doesn't it"?
How big is that leap?
How many people do you know who are willing to pose the question? And if they have posed the question, how many have risen above the likely response, "Well, what can I do about it?", before returning to their TV or computer.
So this small group, this "superclass", have done their job well.
But don't be fooled by the idea that this new "superclass" is "permeable" or "transient", as the author puts it. The psychopaths at the top have always had minions working for them, the expendable ones.
Heck, even your corner street gang leader knows that. Look at this example from Political Ponerology:
When drawn into a felonious group, these constitutionally weakened individuals become faint-critical helpers and executors of the leader's intentions, tools in the hands of more treacherous, usually psychopathic, leaders. Once arrested, they submit to their leaders' insinuated explanations that the higher (paramoral) group ideal demands that they become scapegoats, taking the majority of blame upon themselves. In court, the same leaders who initiated the delinquencies mercilessly dump all the blame onto their less crafty colleagues. Sometimes a judge actually accepts the insinuations. [Political Ponerology, Andrew Lobaczewski, p. 112.]
Think 'Scooter' Libby. Only at this level, the ones with the real power can get their "constitutionally weakened" patsies off the hook. Libby took one for the team and was duly pardoned. As for Bush and Cheney, after dumping the blame for the Valerie Plame leak onto Libby, they walked out clean as any Mafia don or street-corner bully who had the patsy take the fall.
The author of the Newsweek article concludes by saying:
"In short, while we may have a somewhat different superclass in the future, until the people of the world are more comfortable with creating the kind of strong global governance mechanisms that can contain and regulate many of their activities, the 6,000 will continue to play the greatest role of any group on the planet in defining our times."
Well, we won't even comment on the need to "contain and regulate" their activities, because that is so far from being all that is necessary, that the remark, slipped in like that, is nothing more than another example of the shaping of conventional wisdom. It sets the limits in the reader's mind before he or she has even thought the problem through.
So just take note of that and then think about the figure he gives.
Six thousand people. All over the world.
Six thousand people. Who know each other. Who meet secretly, plan our future, and make decisions that affect billions of people. Six thousand people who "shape conventional wisdom".
Could you call it a "conspiracy"? Or would that be stretching it?
Is it any less a conspiracy because they meet in the "open" in places like Davos? What are they doing the other 364 days of the year?
But even if we don't use the C-word, does that make it any more just? Let's say it isn't a conspiracy, that these individuals are just average Joes, luckier and richer than the rest of us, doing their best. Does the fact that "the top 10 percent of all people, for example, now control 85 percent of all wealth on the planet" not reveal an injustice so profound, one that is so deep, so overwhelming, that it really doesn't matter whether or not it is a "conspiracy"?
When you read that, don't the hairs on your neck stand upright at the sheer horror of it?
If they don't, why not? Have you become anaesthetized?
If 6,000 people really have that much power, then isn't the use of the word "conspiracy" really something of a straw man, erected precisely in order to divert attention, to "shape conventional wisdom", as it were?
Then think about the way the Palestinians are being killed a few at a time while the entire population suffers from the occupation, an occupation that if it were happening to any other group on the planet would be on the front pages of every newspaper in the West.
"Shaping conventional wisdom".
Look, then, at Iraq, the destruction of a country that was one of the most vital in the Middle East prior to the "liberation" by the forces of "democracy and freedom". There are estimates that well over one million Iraqis have died. But we saw images of Iraqis happily welcoming US invaders into the country.
"Shaping conventional wisdom"?
Have you been following the food riots that are breaking out around the globe? Do you think the "superclass" are going to go hungry?
So there it is, in black and white and Newsweek of all places. Of course, sociologists have been studying this for years and have been saying much the same thing: power resides in a small group of people. What is new is that globalization has switched the focus from a power elite in one country to a power elite that more or less openly runs the world. And they are doing it out in the open. They aren't hiding when they jet off to Davos. Their arrogance and their success in "shaping conventional wisdom" is such that they no longer need to hide it. Hey, they can get away with 911, and no one called them on it.
No one.
Except for that small group of people who have refused to succumb to "conventional wisdom". But this group can be easily handled, marginalized, set against each other, and rendered uncredible through the planting of outlandish theories that discredit the serious researchers. Agents are sent in to cause disputes and in-fighting that cripples the movement.
It is down to a science. The science of control. "Shaping conventional wisdom".
It worked with the Kennedy assassinations. It worked again with 911.
Why? Because most people are struggling around the ultimate problem. They have not yet identified it, the root problem, the underlying cause: psychopathy and deviants in control of our world.
All the struggle and fighting for justice, for sustainable growth, for equity and equality among the peoples isn't going to get us anywhere as long as we continue to think that we are up against people "like us", people with a heart, with a conscience, who care about the world's peoples. Bono can run around from meeting to meeting extracting promises till he is blue in the face or U2 has another number one hit, and it isn't going to change a thing. Promises while he is at the table, a quick photo op with Bush or Blair or the humanitarian politician of the month, and then laughter when he walks out of the room.
They don't care one whit.
Worse than that, not only will they never lift a finger to improve things for the majority of people on the planet, they do their best to destroy anything the people themselves set out to accomplish. It is easy for a few to destroy the life's work of thousands. All it takes is one psychopath. It is much harder to create, to give something real to the world. It is an uphill fight at the best of times, and we are not in the best of times.
While the people struggling for change are busy in the trenches, through what Naomi Klein calls disaster capitalism the pathocrats ferret out the individuals and organizations in a country that are actually working to improve the lives of the people, either by killing them or jailing them or banning them, and they then implant economic policies that benefit this same small group and institute dictatorships to ensure the new laws are followed, all done with the knowledge garnered from research such as that done by Ivan Pavlov on transmarginal inhibition. And they do it under the banner of "democracy'! Iraq was invaded and destroyed in the name of "democracy", in the name of "freedom".
Well, if this is what they have been doing since the end of the Second World War, what are they up to now? Disaster capitalism is business as usual, or has been for the last forty years. But something feels different now, in our post-911, pre-apocalyptic, return of Jesus world.
The "superclass" are stockpiling the samples of the world's grain supplies on an island off Norway.
They are building underground bases.
They are making it more and more difficult to fly and travel, from humiliating searches and ridiculous regulations about putting toothpaste in clear, plastic, government approved baggies instead of the clear plastic travel kit your spouse gave you, to issuing passports with electronic ID that will include any piece of private information they can find about you.
They are closing down the economy by siphoning off ever greater amounts of money through their criminal and fraudulent trading practices.
They are poisoning us with their genetically modified foods, not to mention forcing people to return year after year to the multinationals to buy new seeds instead of continuing on in their old ways of setting aside seed from one year for the next.
They are spying on us, checking our emails, our credit and debit card purchases, our library book borrowing, our text messaging and cell phone messages, our telephone calls, our medical records.
It sounds to me like they are preparing for something.
And what could that be, after years of dumbing us down, after years of numbing us with TV, cell phones, deficient schooling, after years of war?
They are hanging us out to die. They know the planet is subject to cyclic catastrophes. They know the next one in the cycle is due very soon. If SOTT can see a sharp increase in the sightings of fireballs fireballs-meteorites.blogspot.com/ in the skies, don't you think, with all their black budgets, that the pathocrats have a even clearer idea about it than we do?
It is all part of one, overreaching plan: to save themselves while letting space rocks take care of the rest of us.
But if someone can't even see 911, how can they see this?
If it is impossible for your average citizen to transgress their inner world and strictures of thought about 911, if it goes against everything they believe, against the "conventional wisdom" drummed into us since we were children, how could they possibly comprehend the whole?
But, you, reading this page, you see it, don't you?
What are you going to do about it?
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:15 PM"What are you going to do about it?"
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 10:51 PMThanks for the post Bernhard, it give me some reassurance that i'm not the only one paying attention....
What to do about it? Well lets use the same tools that they have adopted to be active participants in this paradigm shift, instead of rolling over and saying this our new reality and we are helpless against it.
They dont want us to stand up and be men.
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 12:44 AMThey may be rich and powerful but they are not Wise. The meek shall inherit the earth. A rich man going to heaven is about as likely as a camel passing through the eye of a needle. Love is the Way.
Well all these hypocritical bible thumpers ain't really been payin' attention have they? Don't they realize that all their machinations are useless in the end? Mama Earth, in her wisdom, and in alignment with Divine Plan, is getting ready to roll over, and alot of people are gonna fall off... -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 9:33 AM"Well all these hypocritical bible thumpers ain't really been payin' attention have they? Don't they realize that all their machinations are useless in the end? Mama Earth, in her wisdom, and in alignment with Divine Plan, is getting ready to roll over, and alot of people are gonna fall off..."
Actually based on this article and other research, it seems that the PTB (powers that be) are VERY much paying attention and certainly know about the earth changes (incld. possible comet impacts), as they seem to prepare themselves while keeping the masses distracted (like on "man made" Global Warming, fake war on terror, (designed) economy collapse, etc...).
Yes a lot of people are gonna fall off. The PTB know that already. I think it's more the average man incld. the new age movement who are a bit dilluded and missing wisdom (not saying the PTB have any either), thinking that everything will be "just fine" as long as we keep focusing on "love" and wishful thinking aka just thinking "positive thoughts" will do the trick.............well, we'll see about that......psychopaths couldn't care less about that and those are the one's "elected" as leaders.
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 10:30 AMbut Beranard what would you say about the very real efforts being made by some of the following people -
VIRGIN - Richard Branson in Europe (one of Eruopes most powerful businessman) donating $1.6 billion to come up with carbon capture technology fast,
GOOGLE - developing with an Indian venture capitlist in California vastly cheaper solar technology power (5 times cheaper than current ie CHEAPR than fossile fuels in most climates) and planing to have a mass conversion of energy systems around the globe, of which they are currently trialiing the German market.
INTER - << ITER is the world’s largest scientific partnership that aims to demonstrate the potential of fusion as an energy source, bringing together seven parties that represent half of the world’s population- the EU, Russia, Japan, China, India, South Korea and the United States.>>
cold water fussion would give us completly clean very cheap energy. This is not the only programe, there are many others. Note ITER is funding to the point that it is the worlds largest scientific partnership.
JEFFRY SACHS – special advisor to the UN, sachs is heavily lobboying all the leaders of the world to find global co-opertation through the millennium gaols to get 0.7% of GDP from the developed world to tackle poverty, less than that for population, and around 1% of global GDP to switch and drive through technology for sustainable development.
He is actuly getting some success in some quarters, and once this bunch of republicans leave the whitehouse, I belive its possible we will see more movement. Gorden Brown the UK prime minster is quite supportive of his aims, Norways ext Primer very supportive. Sachs clearly says we only have about 20 years to tackle these issues to avert disaster, he is very vocal about this both to international leaders, with whom he meets regularly, and the press.
These are just some examples of very powerful people moving towards sustainable technology, and tackling poverty there are many many others. However I agree that there are also some powerful people at the top, manipulating things in self interest in a destructive way.
But i think the idea that this is the complete picture is very misleading. Look at Bill Gates, the new face of NEW industry, while i would be the last person to say Microsft do not have there problems, and have frequently abused there power as a powerful monopoly, the main point is that Gates has after all donated most of the vast fortune to helping the starving in Africa. Note he is not spending $30 billion for world domination, but to stop third world poverty.
What do you say to this Bernard ? I agree with you that its naive to overlook what is going on with some of the corruption at the top, and that we need to try to drive through real and significant change. But the if these people were all powerful as you seem to think, how come they havnt stoped the Googles, Branson, Sachs etc ? I can give lots of other exmples.
I do think we are going to see some kind of battle to win over the minds of the public as the time bomb of our future approaches. I agree with you that there is much shit at the top. But why do you try to paint a picture of this as complete ?
That is misleading and simplistic. Anyway i just skimmed the post above, im printing it off now and the Newsweek article to go through properly. -
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 11:30 AMAll I'm really saying is that the ptb know about the earthchanges and what not and certainly do not anything to prepare or warn the general population.
All what you mention are great publicity stunts, but nothing is really going to change if the issue of psychopathy in government is going to be tackled.
In regards to Bill Gates,as you wrote:
"Note he is not spending $30 billion for world domination, but to stop third world poverty."
With all my respect Elo, but this is a joke and you're falling for it. It's one of the great manipulations to make to paint a picture that the ptb are actually here to do "positive" change. His contribution is not going to stop world poverty one bit. It's a great publicity stunt to give that impression, sure, so nice people like you say: "look Bill is doing something good for the world". It's like throwing a bone to the poor while still raping their entire lives through globalization. It's how politics works. give the masses a little bit and make the impression of being "giving" and show that in mainstream news, while behind the scenes and not shown on the news, they keep sucking them out.
Here's something good ol' Bill is involved in and I didn't hear about that on prime news:
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php
Question is, what are they preparing for?
"I do think we are going to see some kind of battle to win over the minds of the public as the time bomb of our future approaches. I agree with you that there is much shit at the top. But why do you try to paint a picture of this as complete ? "
Where am I trying to paint a picture as complete? It's simply an article about things people do not look at but rather ignore/deny.
"That is misleading and simplistic. Anyway i just skimmed the post above, im printing it off now and the Newsweek article to go through properly."
Maybe you should not just skim over the post but read it in depth and do some back up research as well, before making hasty judgments/conclusion, then you will see the reality of it and it is far from misleading and simplistic. As a matter of fact, your "signs" of what you call "positive change" are very misleading, because non of it deals with the reality of earthchanges, cyclic cataclysms and psychopathy in power. Research these topics and you will see how they are a very real and a big issue in this day and age we're in and how the coming changes to this planet are being kept from the public at any cost. You'd think your government is going to warn the public of such global and disastrous events? They couldn't care less about you or me. They'll do anything to distract and divert in the meantime and when it hits...well, we all saw how the "compassionate" government helped the people of New Orleans after Katrina hit. -
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 1:04 PMBeranrd i am going through it all properly now, i said that I had printed it off and was going through it didnt I ?
but where you say "positive change" are very misleading, because non of it deals with the reality of earthchanges, cyclic cataclysms"
yes i have read stuff about the earthchanges you talk about, but many of these people are saying conflicting stuff, and non of it seems proven. Some talk about planet X is going to come back after a 6,000 year cycle, some say there going to be astroids hitting us, some say there will be huge solar activity around 2012, some like Ike say were going to be taken over by lizards from another star system.
non of these contradictory claims really seem substantiated. You say were geting lied to about how the world works, but how do i know YOU really know about the reality of earthchanges, cyclic cataclysms ?
With Gates you say im falling for the stunt, but the fact is most of the money Mircrosft has made has gone to help poverty related problems in Africa. Thats just a fact.
If Jeffry Sachs gets his way, he WILL stop poverty. And whats more he has talked to most of the global leaders in the world, and is quite hopeful. So what you going to tell me now, that Sachs is leing ? Or is being lied to himself. But if you say that Bernard, how do i know you yourself are not lieing or making it up so it fits your theory ?
So bill Gates spends $30 billion on poverty, and he spends just $30 million on this seed bank, and you want me to take that as proof that him and others are trying to take over the world ? Your gonna have to do better than that Bernard.
Has it every occured to you that if you only look for bad stuff, you will only find bad stuff ? What if you set out with you reserach now to find out all the good stuff some peoople with power are doing ? But you wouldnt want to do that, you would only want to find stuff to support your theory right ?
I submit that your being as objective as people who dismiss conspiracy theories out of hand.
I am not saying there is nothing in what you say, infact if i really thought that i woudlnt be reading the 10 pages now that is this post and the newsweek article, but i do still think you greatly oversimplfy what is going on, as do most conspirasists.
I think some have a closed mind to conspiracies, and thats no good, there is most certainly corruption at the top, hell you only have to see what these bunch of neo cons who are very heavily connected with the top fincial world in America are upto, so yes there is corruption. But i think you need to refine your idea of how this works. I think your only looking for stuff to support your theory. And your theory has some truth in it, but just some.
But, i still keep my open mind, ill read your stuff. I did uncover something last week that looked like the Rockerfellas may bave been ploting with the right to bring down the Carter in 1979 and bring in Regan by making a secret deal over the Hostage crisis in Iran then. Now that to me is something that sounds plausible.
What ive read so far anyway of that Newsweek article says that these bankers organising things - 14 of the worlds top finace companies, did not include the Chinese or Japanese. Yet it is Asia, especialy China and India that are soon going to challenge the power of this western elite you talk off, so if thats the case there fighting a loosing battle anyway. China, India and Japan combined already have a GDP far higher than America. So if this plot of bankers does not include them, its a pretty weak plot.
Where am I trying to paint a picture as complete? It's simply an article about things people do not look at but rather ignore/deny.
well if your saying that, sure they may be a few people at the top who have gone nuts fine. But the idea there all gonna take over the world doesnt really wash with me, especialy if it doesnt include the Chinese and India.
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 6:39 PM>>All I'm really saying is that the ptb know about the earthchanges and what not and certainly do not anything to prepare or warn the general population. <<
This is not entirely true. The other day I got an emergency preparedness pamphlet that outlined every possible emergency situation (from tsunami to bioterrorism), how should we prepare, what should I save in the pantry etc. This is Canada, of course, maybe the US govt. is not sending such a literature to citizens...the problem is that some people are deaf and blind to pick up on what's really going on in the world.
How will you explain for an average TV-car-cunt minded person the upcoming spiritual, metaphysical, cosmical changes that are most likely to be accompanied by some environmental-climate changes? -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:51 PMwow, and i thought i was a tad bit bitter...
>>>How will you explain for an average TV-car-cunt minded person...<<<
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 7:52 PMhumor hour is back
>>>How will you explain*** for an average TV-car-cunt minded person*** the upcoming spiritual, metaphysical, cosmical changes that are most likely to be accompanied by some environmental-climate changes?<<<
at least i know what to do
let's go ask professor khan
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:38 PM""These are just some examples of very powerful people moving towards sustainable technology, and tackling poverty there are many many others. However I agree that there are also some powerful people at the top, manipulating things in self interest in a destructive way. ""
The idea of these large corporations donating monies to charity is a bit misguided in my opinion. Especially since it is often times that profits are made by the exploitation of others. The economic system in this country and soon to be the world, is such that you have to exploit in order to make profit. For example, if i where to start a landscape business by myself i would be working like a dog day and night without really being able to make any real profit, maybe just enough to get by. Because i can only charge so much per hour for my work and my over head and all that. If i go and hire a few people for minimum wage then by paying them chump change i can get similar results and be able to pocket the difference, therfore i can amass a more substantial profit.
Alot of the giant corporations we have running the economy these days have managed to outsource their labor to other countries where labor is relatively inexpensive. Walmart making its clothes in malaysia where 12 year old girls are making shirts for pennies a day. Corporations are exploiting resources and people and making huge profits. People who are struggling enough by the high cost of living are forced to pay obscene prices for the goods and services made by these large busisness. The businesses often times have a very poor distribution of their profit amonst those who have contributed to the success of the business. The top CEO of a company can make 90% of the profit from a product and the remaining is distributed amonst the people who slaved over the manufacture and distribution of that product.
Then in the end after explointing and pilliging the CEO has a change in concious so he decided to takle poverty in africa? This is misguided considering the excess in profits where made on the backs of other people. The distribution of profit is so far skewed in this model that money is robbed from the poor and then they turn around and build a library or some shit like that.
Why dont they charge less for their products or provide a better wage for their workers? Why charity when there could be profit sharing?
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 2:13 PM<<They have it down to a well-oiled and highly perfected machine. They have conquered our minds, and once that has happened, there is precious little one can do until the mind has been reclaimed. >>
well i read the article Bernard and i agree with a lot of it. But, and its a big but, things are changing. Maggie is right, there are other powers, spirtual powers that are tied to both our destiney, and written deep inside us, into our DNA, into our soul.
ANd people are awkening. THe is a conspiracy of CULTURE amongst those at the top, a culture of greed, but people are converting, there going back to there spirtual self, some people.
When producers as powerful as Joel Silver support films like the Matrix series, that discuss this very thing your talking about -
<<They have it down to a well-oiled and highly perfected machine. They have conquered our minds, and once that has happened, there is precious little one can do until the mind has been reclaimed. >>
then things are and can changing.
Just remeber this, the elite you talk about was once very very closed, defined only by blood, in the days of kings, queens and lords on just a couple of hundread years ago. Now, as the Newsweek article says, the elite is very fluid.
Its now an elite that is defined by intelligence and achivement (though certainly not spirtuality true) but that very fact is an exteremly significant one. That fact alone, is going to bring the change we need.
But not only that, there is a growing conciousness, and its even affecting some of these people. Vice President of the World Bank in Europe, a french guy, cant remember his name i posted it up a few weeks back, is pushing hard for real global solutions in his new book High Noon, 20 global problems, and 20 years to slove them.
You mock the "New Age" Bernard and sometimes i do know why you do, there is lots phoney in it for sure, and a lot shallow. However, did you read the international "New Age" best seller "Celesine Prophecy" if you can talk about any book being the bible of mainstream "new age", that one could probably be it. Yet that book Berandard does talk repetedly about powerful people blocking these kind of changes.
I dont like the term "new age" anyway, as something i read once recently called it an "old age" term, which it is. It groups everyone together on spirtual path as if its a fashion.
Maybe for some people it is a fashion. But I tell you bernard it is much much much more powerful than some fashion. It is the force of nature herself and god, reclaiming us into the fold of the great matrix.
These power people think they are invincable now. But they are no more so than the romans were, and something now is coming that is much stronger than them, it is the 4 billion year old unfoldment of life itself on our planet. Nothing, ultimatly will block that, or as Einstien once said
"God does not throw dice with the Uinverse" you think all this happend over 4 billion years for just a couple of wealthy bankers to gobble it all up ? No i dont think so. Yes your right to point out the sheer power held within a small group of largely - though not entirely - self centred people. But does this mean our development is now screwed. Not by a long shot.
Nothing can stop hisotry and the evolution of life that is the evolution of our concsiousness.
In fact things look a lot better now than they did in 1941, thats for sure. This is nothing worse than we have seen before countless times in history, but it will not stop evolution in our planet, in fact we are aproaching a time of great change soon, where these two forces are going to clash against each other and for sue i know which one ive got my money on.
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Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 4:18 PMThanks for your reply Bernhard (good to see you back!)
i know they "think" they're paying attention, but my point is, they really are missing the point....Jesus never said anything about "do as you will, torture and lie to others, scramble to get all you can, hide all the food, grab all the money, don't worry about those who will die, build underground bunkers so that when the end changes come, you'll be protected"...Did he?
i just think that somehow in the end, if that really is how it goes down, these boys will be dealing with much more than they ever bargained for....the fact that they think they will really be "safe" and not to mentioned "Saved", is laughable..... -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 5:09 PMso only the super-elite will be inbreeding and nibbling on grain under the ice and laughing?
heh, you know, I like that. let em have it. in 60,000 years the new cycle of rat-monkeys will be spreading myths about underground reptoils whil e the senseless formless brotherhood drift down in formation for a flowery sniff and to bitchslap mother nature for growing fangs. -
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Unsu...
Re: Shaping Conventional Wisdom
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:50 PMTO FUNNY..
god someone needs to put you in charge...really you get my vote for making life fun yet informal-perfect gosh and brain....thanks worth a smile everytime...-s- -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 2:32 AMwow Chontler, now that is some vision of the future...yikes...and i thought now was bad....
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