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Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

topic posted Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:53 AM by  Hoopes
Some grim, heavy but necessary truths together with fundamentally hopeful prospects from Jack Alpert of www.skil.org:

How Many People Will I Kill?
Just by living normal lives in the developed world each of us is responsible for starving to death some people in the Third World. That number is steadily increasing. It will lead to a cascade of violence.
www.skil.org/position_pa...leUKill.html

Finding and implementing "course-changing-behavior."
The people who understand the future have to use it to change behavior.
www.skil.org/position_pa...ehavior.html

Converting Involuntary Manslaughter to Murder
Help all individuals convert their procreative acts from involuntary manslaughter to murder. That is from viewing what they think is a benign birth (not intended to kill) to an act they *know* kills.
www.skil.org/position_pa...smurder.html

Converting involuntary manslaughter to Murder -- revisited
This change in perception of one's personal procreative acts is the first step in addressing the human predicament.
www.skil.org/position_pa...visited.html

Happy Mother's Day.
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  • Leslie
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    Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:15 AM
    It's all about Food, my friends. All the other strategies are secondary.

    Meat IS murder in more ways than one.

    Cooking (even vegetation foods) kills in more subtle ways, but we have to start with stopping the most obnoxious insanities first.

    As a Raw Vegan, my way of eating and being is ProLife-living posiTivity without even flexing a philosophical muscle.

    My Quality of Life! has increased by orders of magnitude just by adjusting my food choices out of the bloody horrors and burn offerings, ...and into the radiant fresh light......

    ...ahem.............perhaps we should have a meeting at Steak and Ale (or some very "fine" restaurant) of the noble Congressmen to discuss this matter..........

    .... yeah, that's how thing get "fixed", for sure........
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    • MrOn...
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      Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:45 AM
      "economic and physical competition determine who gets to consume more and who gets to consume less"
      This to me is the real problem generating scarcity. There is an endless amount of space and resources in our universe. We have the intelligence and technology to solve ALL our issues but its the old fiends ~ Greed and Control ~ that stand in the way of progress and creating a fair and compassion driven world for everyone to enjoy....
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  • Auton
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    Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:39 PM
    Now we know that you're an Illuminati spy, Hoopes, who is secretly conspiring against the humanity.

    I heard you eat babies for breakfast...
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    • Hoopes
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      Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:15 AM
      I'll bet you heard that from Psi, right?

      I've been poisoning wells, too.
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      • Auton
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        Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:01 PM
        I miss Psi. I can imagine him as a great Celtic warrior who slaughters everyone that favors Al Gore.

        BTW, the world's population is increasing by a MILLION every SECOND day. After tomorrow there will be a million more of us on this planet. Every year brings another 150 million babies. Even the nastiest volcanoes or earthquakes can't keep up with that.
        I wonder if this is some kind of unconscious defensive mechanism in our species. Before the shift hits the fun, we start to reproduce like crazy to save what can be saved?
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        • Hoopes
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          Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

          Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:09 PM
          Powerful Quake Ravages China, Killing Thousands
          "A powerful earthquake struck southwestern China on Monday, toppling thousands of homes, factories and offices, trapping students in schools, and killing at least 10,000 people, the country’s worst natural disaster in three decades."
          www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13...3china.html

          Myanmar toll likely to hit 216,000
          "The death toll in Myanmar's cyclone disaster could be as high as 216,000 or more, making it as deadly as the tsunamis that devastated much of Asia in 2004, according to new unofficial estimates from United Nations sources."
          www.theglobeandmail.com/servle...al/home

          Big swaths of humanity seem to be getting wiped out each week. What's scary is that this news has had practically no effect on the lives of most of the world's population. Future natural disasters will probably wipe out larger and larger numbers, but you're right: Out-of-control population growth is the #1 problem. The best solution is a universal zero-or-one-child-per-couple policy.

          Here's a plan for healing the environment that will actually work: Give a new Hummer to every man who agrees to have a vasectomy after fathering a single child and to every woman who agrees to have only one baby.
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            Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

            Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:25 AM
            Give a new Hummer to every man who agrees to have a vasectomy....

            if he got the hummer he would need to worry about birth control now would he.... open wide....
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            • Hoopes
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              Re: Who Will You Murder? Or Not.

              Tue, May 13, 2008 - 4:47 PM
              The point being, of course, that the environmental footprint of a Hummer (even an old one) is WAY less than that of a second child...

              We all need to worry about birth control, Hummers or not.
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  • John
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    Slightly less traditional, small steps...

    Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:58 AM
    Good thread Hoopes. The trouble here is that
    guilt, even its vague varieties, tend to induce
    repression.

    If one of the traditional ways of securing one's own
    safety when growing older is to have lots of kids,
    and grandkids, that's what people will opt for.

    We could do with eating a bit less I guess, but
    that is also one of the stress and anxiety reduction
    methods favoured by many.
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    • Hoopes
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      Re: Slightly less traditional, small steps...

      Tue, May 13, 2008 - 4:59 PM
      "The trouble here is that
      guilt, even its vague varieties, tend to induce
      repression."

      Well, yes, that's true. That's why the best approach is to teach children about population the same way we teach them to use toilets and trash cans. It's easy to teach kids not to take a dump on the sidewalk or to throw trash out the car window. It should also be easy to teach kids the future benefits of none-or-one-child families.

      The whole point is to develop cultural practices that will reduce the global population and its heavy environmenal footprint without wars, genocide, neglect, or other violent methods of population reduction.

      Every person has two parents, four grandparents, and eight great-grandparents. If, as those people die, their assets are passed on to only one child, then individual wealth--not poverty--increases with each generation. It's simple math. Sustaining a one-child-per-family practice over multiple generations creates wealth.

      Furthermore, the absence of siblings pushes a culture towards greater appreciation of surrogate brotherhood and sisterhood.

      One big, happy, wealthy family of humans in a healthy environment. Not a bad goal at all.
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