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I have (unfortunately) been reading and listening to more Jose Arguelles than I would ordinarily prefer and one thing that jumps out at me constantly as I am interacting with his output is the ABSURD number of neologisms (new terms) that he has devised to describe his worldview. The following all appear in a mere 7-page section of his "Rinri Project" document (if I kept going I could pull out several more)...I have my own theories as to why he uses all of this new terminology...what does anyone else think?:
Rinri Project, World Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement, First World Peace, the new (13:20) time, circumpolar rainbow bridge, biogeochemical combustion, natural (13:20) timing frequency, artificial (12:60) timing frequency, biomass constant, biogeomagnetic resonance, Psychozoic era, psi bank, psi bank matrix, biopsychic field of resonance, magnetic re-education of humanity, Day Out of Time, biospheric rejuvenation, Telektonon, Invisible Magnet of Be-Ness, Turning the Invisible Magnet of Be-Ness, law of time, Psi Chrono Units, Loom of Maya, Cube Journey, biotelepathic cycle, Dreamspell, Dreamspell Human, Planet Holon, biogeological flow of fourth dimensional time, 73 Overtone Chromatics, Blue Self-Existing Storm, Yellow Overtone Seed, White Resonant Wizard, Red Rhythmic Moon, Attunement to the Magnet of Be-Ness, the Invisible College (not new but takes on a specific meaning), the Earth Trust, Planetary Art Network (PAN), natural magnetic regrouping, First Planetary Congress of Biospheric Rights, Thirteen Moon Judgment Day Victory of Universal Peace Plan, Court of Universal Culture, Earth Curriculum for the Magnetic and Ethical Realignment of Humanity, Dominion of Time, Earth Regeneration, Spiritual Unification, "the Glory" (graduation from the Invisible College), yoga of the unification of the collective dream body in time, collective planetary yoga, cube of mind, 4th dimensional Heptagonon of Mind, bipolar telepathic magnetic discharge, Galactic Culture of the Federation of Divine Intelligence, Timeship Earth 2013, Arcturus Dominion of Time, Time Tunnels, the Fifth Force, etc., etc., etc.
Rinri Project, World Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement, First World Peace, the new (13:20) time, circumpolar rainbow bridge, biogeochemical combustion, natural (13:20) timing frequency, artificial (12:60) timing frequency, biomass constant, biogeomagnetic resonance, Psychozoic era, psi bank, psi bank matrix, biopsychic field of resonance, magnetic re-education of humanity, Day Out of Time, biospheric rejuvenation, Telektonon, Invisible Magnet of Be-Ness, Turning the Invisible Magnet of Be-Ness, law of time, Psi Chrono Units, Loom of Maya, Cube Journey, biotelepathic cycle, Dreamspell, Dreamspell Human, Planet Holon, biogeological flow of fourth dimensional time, 73 Overtone Chromatics, Blue Self-Existing Storm, Yellow Overtone Seed, White Resonant Wizard, Red Rhythmic Moon, Attunement to the Magnet of Be-Ness, the Invisible College (not new but takes on a specific meaning), the Earth Trust, Planetary Art Network (PAN), natural magnetic regrouping, First Planetary Congress of Biospheric Rights, Thirteen Moon Judgment Day Victory of Universal Peace Plan, Court of Universal Culture, Earth Curriculum for the Magnetic and Ethical Realignment of Humanity, Dominion of Time, Earth Regeneration, Spiritual Unification, "the Glory" (graduation from the Invisible College), yoga of the unification of the collective dream body in time, collective planetary yoga, cube of mind, 4th dimensional Heptagonon of Mind, bipolar telepathic magnetic discharge, Galactic Culture of the Federation of Divine Intelligence, Timeship Earth 2013, Arcturus Dominion of Time, Time Tunnels, the Fifth Force, etc., etc., etc.
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 4:59 PMI've never read anything by the guy, but that sure reads like a "Humanoid Generation of Bovine Excrement" to me... -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:37 AM<<I've never read anything by the guy, but that sure reads like a "Humanoid Generation of Bovine Excrement" to me... >>
some people put salt on their food even before they have tasted it ..... not a scientific attitude
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:45 AM"In the Human Holon the Gateway corresponds to the Root Center, the Polar to the Crown. Each time you coordinate an overtone chromatic, from the first to the second days the movement jumps from your root to crown centers. The fifth day is the solar plexus and when you leave the solar plexus you move into the Kuxan Suum, the etheric thread that connects you to the galaxy. This then is the 2nd move, and it is a key move for biotelepathic attunement of human mind and biosphere-73 times a year. Follow the chromatics of the biomass constant and participate in the biogeomagnetic stabilization of the planet." --- Jose Arguelles
is that too hard to understand ?
(making new words is not an issue, making them have a useful meaning to most people is a different story. ha!)
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:13 AM....... it's comprehensible. But rather like being literate with abstract equations (which I'm generally not) , some background in chakras and the Mayan calendar would be a pre-requisite. As far as agreeing-disagreeing, ........ no need to make a judgment except "in Terms" of your own experiences, and for Future Reference, ............should this line of spiritual expression prove to hold water or relevance. Rather like J.J.Hurtak's work , although I know The Keys of Enoch correlates with my own higher-dimensional experiences, so I have a meaningful frame of reference....... except I Also Know his work is not the "end-all, Be-all", as there's MUCH more to know...... (but it's a Great & Basic Start.... as opposed to the Many gross dogmatic-distortions taken as mono-truic) -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:53 AM<<....... it's comprehensible>>
if one can not explain it properly so most can understand then is not comprehensible ... a good teacher explains complex stuff in simple terms .... if you cant sing it, you cant play it .... thats what i learned from my first drum teacher
<<As far as agreeing-disagreeing>>
first, one would have to try to overstand what he means (all his new words and concepts) .... most people dont -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:37 PMI might be able to explain it if I were inclined to read the background contexts, which I'm not. All I am saying is it is a description of a spiritual matrixing, much Like an equation that may or may not prove itself out..... and by reports like these here, it has Failed the test of General Comprehensibility, and so it Could be considered as Useful as a book on differential equations to an ordinary elementary school kid ......... It might have some truth, but it probably is just a Prop to Attract other Nerds, in This case, NewAge Nerdology..... unless and until someone cares to interpret it. I would Rather speak for myself, than for those newage icons who seem to Deliberately draw fire due to their failure to Ground their work into accessible sensibility or practicalities.
......however, I Won't Conclude that he is Mistaken in what he's saying, just "not of much use except as a prop, or a point of departure into Mayawn NewSpirNerdism" -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 5:47 PMThanks for all your comments (especially Oba & Leslie). I have refrained from commenting thus far mostly because I didn't want to steer the conversation in a certain direction too early. Here is what I think is interesting about this...I don't really care so much, either, that he is making up new terminology. What DOES interest me is HOW MANY new terms he makes up and how he goes about employing them and perhaps more importantly what the effect is.
There are two (major) things that it does: as Tantric Muffinpussy says, it confounds the outsider as being either meaningless or impossible to penetrate, but it also acts as a sort of insulating agent for the person who does understand it. Arguelles has not just created some new terminology...he has created a whole 'new' cosmology of sorts (at least a mythos) and the fact that, as we can see by the couple examples of his writing here, his language is SOOO utterly drenched with this terminology allows one to remain (mentally) entirely within that worldview. It wouldn't have this psychological quality of insulation if there were just a few terms thrown in every once in a while scattered throughout his words. But, when the inundation is constant and the terminology consistent indoctrination can occur much more readily. This is a truly ingenious psychological technique if you ask me (unfortunate but ingenious).
The thing is, as Leslie says, it just requires the background knowledge to actually understand (though, I must admit, even when it is "translateable" it still doesn't make much sense). Arguelles does actually mean things by each of the seemingly enigmatic terms and phrases and if you actually spend the time to read and interact with his work he very carefully draws you into the terminology, so that soon-enough you can be part of the in-crowd and actually understand what sounds to anybody else like a string of nonsense reminiscent of English. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:37 PMI havent seen you post for a long time Kevin.
This is one of the people on Tribe that I think is one of the smartest, wisest, etc... people on Tribe. And in the entire world.
I'm glad you are here K.
Cheers.
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 7:04 PM"Rather like J.J.Hurtak's work , although I know The Keys of Enoch correlates with my own higher-dimensional experiences, so I have a meaningful frame of reference....... except I Also Know his work is not the "end-all, Be-all", as there's MUCH more to know...... (but it's a Great & Basic Start.... as opposed to the Many gross dogmatic-distortions taken as mono-truic)"
My experience with Hurtak has also shown me his pov is not the be all and end all as well. I found that at least some of his work is veiled even though it seems it is pure revelation. My sense is that there is a lot of stuff out there colored with ideosyncratic flavors that can easily confuse the literal mind.
IMO it takes an inspired intellect to process this stuff at on a hyperliteral level which is very diifficult to convey in ordinary language. This is why so many teachings are given as parables and koans to bring this non- (ego) mind intellect into play.
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 2:03 PM".... as opposed to the Many gross dogmatic-distortions taken as mono-truic) "
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 7:40 PMActually, I hold appropriate contempt (as complacent-complicity is practically the only alternative) for that/those which/who Profess to Uphold something they call "the scientific method" ............ and it (in Practice) generally turns out to be a FRAUD-version-of-truthiness that is politically correct, and dumbed-down so that it passes as believable.......
.......the so-called "scientific method" looks good on paper, in all its trimmed-back, truncated Simplisticisms ..... but FAILS Miserably the Test-of REALITY !!! ..... and those who are Devotees of that Corrupted Version of Science that currently CONtrols the Nightmare Destiny we would be headed towards, were it not for a lot of Advanced Free-thinking people who UNDERSTAND All the Science-Trip as-it-now-"IS", and find it Appalling! ..... oh yeah, Let's Throw Away HUGE Sections of the Human Experience so we can IDOLize Iconic scientists, and Ignore the works of Thousands of Disaffected scientists who have been Screwed by The System because they were 'Heretical' (and the system couldn't find a way to Exploit & Sanctify their heresies). ...Throw that heretic trip in my direction, and you Get to Wear it as makeup, or witness a glimpse of the horrors & stupidities behind the heavily PR'ed glamor-of-science.. Technology-for-GREED (and War upon any Obstacle to that Heartless MacHINEry)
I just spent 55 years getting generally Screwed by 'Science',
and All I Have to show for it is this virtual cyberscreen-printed T-Shirt
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 9:07 PM"I just spent 55 years getting generally Screwed by 'Science'"
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 9:49 PMYou "saw" a lifetime of "experiences" that "apparently" you (in yours) Swallowed Whole (for your part in the game) and Cheered !!!! we Love the Power of sci-Enabled Abuse!!!
I'm All for REAL SCIENCE, but beyond your little world of Academic research, all you got is an Idealogical Methodism .... and Apparently are CLUELESS to the Gross and Obnoxious Abuses of all that glittery wonderland of 'technology-will-save-Us'!
Science is your GOD, when science Should be your vocation. Keep it under control or get it SHOVED Back in your face as you cheerlead Monsanto and "throwing away Junk DNA" and the wonders of market-manipulated technologies (witness the Maddening abuses by MicroSoft) and Failure after Failure to Meet All the rich abundances of evidences brought here with Anything more than "The Official Line of Policy".
You waste my time, and I will Waste your Paradigm, which is Already Awithering. You think the Intelligences beyond the gameshow we earth humans call science is going Anywhere but into the Trash? It's a Heap of Lies and Deceptions.... punctuated with Displays of Power. It's a game of Gross Neglect as all the world's resources are Marshalled Under control of the Few, using the tools of science to subdue most of humanity into a Helpless state.......... Science as it is Presently being PRACTICED (in adoration & devotion to politics and power) is Philosophically (and perceptually) RETARDED!
You Aspire to be a Real scientist? You need to be a Lot more Critical, Much as I am, because this is Not a time for Complacent acceptance and allegiance to what is Clearly Corrupt & Insane & out-of-touch with the greater scheme-of-things, ......seven ways to Sunday...
I have watched (with an attentive mind) over the decades as circumstance after circumstance has worked to UNNECESSARILY Diminish the quality of my Life Potentials, even as my Addictions were most generously FED ..... all the while JUSTified by " men of Science" ..... who lure us into their confidence with techno-toys. Sure, OK, I'll take the toys (with tentative caution and consideration), but "NO Thanks" to the Abuse.
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:36 AMIt's not so much the new words as the way he's combining words i thought i knew the meaning of. I mean wtf does, " follow the chromatics of the biomass constant" mean? -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:56 AM<<chromatics of the biomass constant>>
what people say needs to be put in context:
"The perfected human means of maintaining the biomass constant is through the 73 perfect five-day sequences known as the " Chromatics of the Biomass Constant." These are also referred to as 'overtone chromatics." Without the music software in place we will not concern ourselves with the sound at this time but only the color sequences." Jose Arguelles
(however pls dont ask me wtf he means by that : )
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:50 AMArguelles is a very creative guy! I love him for it. Mckenna made up a lot of words too. Both very sharp minds having a go at figuring wtf is happening and good on them for the effort!
I mean, arguelles is an art historian who considers the whole of human history as one big art project.......starting from that point in think anythink goes. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:15 AMi see nothing wrong in making new words to try to express new idea/concepts .... creative person often are" forced to do that"
maybe better questions to ask questions could be :
What would this new terms mean to the author?
What they represent to us ?
Is it something we also can visualize or experience ?
A neologism (pronounced /niˈɒlədʒɪzəm/); from Greek νές (neo 'new' + logos 'word') is a newly coined word that may be in the process of entering common use, but has not yet been accepted into mainstream language. Neologisms are often directly attributable to a specific person, publication, period, or event.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:25 AMBelow just a few of the new words to enter the Oxford dictionary of current English:
abdominoplasty
aerobicized
bahookie
blowback
celebutante
hardscape
mzee
ponzu
retronym
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:26 AMI see no problem with the introduction of words into one or more languages. My opinion is that's how language and communication evolve into a continually dynamic way of conveying concepts and ideas. I think where I get testy in this is when lots of new, fabricated words are introduced as essentially a new language in which confounds and confuses those who're not privy to the meanings or ideas that are intended to be conveyed.
An example albeit somewhat silly would be a hard core Start Trek fan who insisted oon speaking *nothing* but Klingon and the berating those who had absolutely *no* idea of what was trying to be said.
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 7:35 PMBut shouting loudly makes any language intelligible. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 7:52 PMEven neo-(pseudo)-glossolalia like this....
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:13 PMI see what Arguelles has been creating as a work of performance art, sort of the way that I see crop circles as performance art. That does not mean that I see it as something good or of high quality. There is a lot of really bad performance art out there, just like there's bad music, bad poetry, bad television, and bad food. People go for bad stuff in a big way all the time.
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:31 PMYes. Another case for de gustibus non est disputandum.... -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:52 PMwow... great thread!
i seem to recall Ron Hubbard's Dianetics having quite a bit of unusual terminology... they even had a phone line you could call for vocabulary assistance.
>>>"Arguelles is a very creative guy! I love him for it. Mckenna made up a lot of words too. Both very sharp minds having a go at figuring wtf is happening and good on them for the effort!
I mean, arguelles is an art historian who considers the whole of human history as one big art project.......starting from that point in think anythink goes."
i Love this!!!
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 10:44 PM10 Words and Phrases You Won't Believe Shakespeare Invented
www.cracked.com/article_15...vented.html
Shakespeare invented more words than most people even know. Seriously, there's at least 1,500 different words and phrases that don't appear anywhere prior to the Bard of Avon putting them on paper. When he got stuck trying to think up a word, the man just made his own.. -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:21 PMArguelles is FAR from Shakespeare!!! -
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 1:32 AMI'd have to give Leslie the prize for most neologisms in our little world of Year 2012.
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:43 AMDefinition of "not know the meaning of the word":
If you are talking about a quality or an activity and you say that someone doesn't know the meaning of the word, you mean they do not have that quality or they have no experience of that activity
Opopanax: ... Its meaning is given as: "describing a word that cannot be found in the dictionary." !? :S
if you have a new word you'd like to tell Oxford Dictionaries about, you can email your word and a brief explanation of what it means, and if possible, where you came across it, to askoxford@oup.com
www.oed.com/readers/research.html
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:01 AMTry Freshly solar-organic grown verbal vowel-enlivened communication configurations, with a predominantly masterful flair of relevance. (De Basement is where the nouns & consonants are kept) ............ has anyone seen my 'neoalliterative cymatic mantratonicx reSonative viber' around hear? Dyssonance keeps downing it to kit entroPick snit. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 12:03 PM<<has anyone seen my 'neoalliterative cymatic mantratonicx reSonative viber' around hear? Dyssonance keeps downing it to kit entroPick snit. >>
whoever said first :
articles.aish.com/graphics/...30x150.jpg
was not kidding ...
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Ethical Realignment Of Biospheric Rights
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 3:56 PM
Eternity weeps with 4th dimensional invisible colleges.
Might not my love dance to psychozoic rapture?
A wanderer calls forth resonant biospheric rights,
Thus the morning ponders magnetic heptagonons.
The ocean blows bubbles in the sun's knowledge.
Stop!
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:14 PM<The night fiddles with circumpolar abandonment.
Oh, how the sunset dwells on holographic sorrow! >
... thats an Antidisestablishmentarianism Honorificabilitudinitatibus attitude !
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:48 PMThanks for that about shakespeare's neologisms. I knew he made up some new words, but had no idea of the extent of it or how natural many of his coinages seem now. -
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 1:29 AMThere's also a good possibility that Shakespeare just wrote down what other people only spoke. -
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 3:51 PMLeslie intends to interpenetrate the neuronal interstices where there is no telling what will erupt next. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 3:59 PMPersonally, I've grown fond of senilogisms. Once you've spoken a few, people just leave you alone and mind their own business. -
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The Sunset's Resonance
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:06 PMThe matrix fiddles with a red rose's biospheric rights.
Listen!
Eternity dances to fractalized planetary yoga.
Dang!
The sunset bathes in the Cube Journey's resonance.
Oh, how the ocean weeps with the heptagonons of Heaven's masturbation!
The Loom of Maya quivers in the water of the wind's be-ness.
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The Night's Water
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Bipolar Delight
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:34 PMEternity fiddles with neuronal Days Out of Time,
As the Cube Journey ponders magnetic knowledge.
The matrix aches for the synergistics of telepathic masturbation.
Yea, the synergistics of telepathic masturbation!
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Artifactsturbation vs. significant, relevant, sentient dynamism
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:39 PMThe creatively IMPotent proffer accusations of masturbation
to disperse the sense of inadequacy
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Telepathic Knowledge
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:13 PM
The Real lingers in bipolar dynamism.
The Loom of Maya's convergence!
The matrix proffers the psi bank's be-ness.
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:24 PMThe Algorithm's dull embrace
not much of a match for actual wit
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:28 PMThe Artificial's Imagination
The Real magnetically regroups I'm-Potent competency.
A holographic paradigm's be-ness!
The Cube Journey stimulates the Artifactsturbation of the Artificial's resonance.
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:36 PMDa-da wa-wa
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Holographic Convergence
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:48 PMBeing's dynamism!
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:59 PM<<Holographic Convergence
Being's dynamism!
Shattered Glass creates salient heptagonons. >>
comprehensively speaking ... Arguelles makes a lot more sense .. than many of us here
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:05 PMArguelles's work with time-spirit-mind matrices (as manifest in the Mayan calendric system) closely resembles the here dwelled-upon sentence-structured word algorithms (as do the habituations of derivative-dependent cultures of modernity) .... if a point, purpose, (or at least an observation) is to be indicated-made.
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Significant Resonance
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:07 PMMoonly Donations calls forth the matrix's heptagonons.
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:09 PMEvery congressman should be required to bake a loaf of bread per day. -
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Competent Accusations
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:20 PM
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:27 PM
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Telepathic Resonance
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:31 PM
Time's infinity!
The Timeship stimulates 13:20's be-ness.
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 10:12 PMbumrush i'm astounded.. it all reminds me of one of the most wonderful writers i've met -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:28 AMlol cali
as Les says, it's all algorythms....but I think it's interesting what comes out sometimes. It's mostly complete nonsense, but sometimes I think something cool pops out. You can add in words you want to be used in the generator....
but I'm not sure it's as random as it seems, when we can influence the random generation of 0 and 1 number sequences with our minds.
especially if you're 'stoned' (which I can be without smoking the stuff, lol), it seems to pop up with some 'deep thoughts' which make sense when we let our minds flow freely and not just cling rigidly to traditional grammar/words. It raises some interesting questions for me anyway....maybe I'm easily impressed/pleased, lol.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:43 AMthe cubes journey....
metatrons cube
life 'inside' the 'box', which has been predominantly lacking use of the portal to 'outside the box, which is in the middle of the box
it's a fractal-time journey for the heptagonons to play in.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:45 AMI really get bored with alot of the scientification pomped around to replace creative insight
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 7:36 AMsweeeet!
yeh when i'm stoned i am inclined to rap/freestyle constantly.. every line ends in rhyme and so on.. it is quite bizarre actually :D
NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this thing is totally not random.. i mean last night i literally googled "black caravans" plus a million other black things and THIS is what it spews??!!!
Black Caravans
The sun bathes in the humor of endless delight.
Black laughter!
The desert dances to her thigh's agony,
As Gloria lights fires in the stranger's pleasures.
The moon emanates dark fire,
And the morning gets drunk in the caravans of terrible holes and caves.
The ocean aches for Love Street's knowledge.
My love's latitudes!
why does this shit always happen............
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 8:33 AMwhat you get out is influenced by what you put in, so if we put in cynicism it's what comes out. If we put in inspiring words we get inspiring stuff.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 9:54 AM<<what you get out is influenced by what you put in>.
Yes. as always GIGO in action!
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 10:27 AM<<what you get out is influenced by what you put in>>
crap (posts) do grow exponentially fast in this tribe .....
www.tmcm.com/comics/179_crap.gif
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:29 PM<Every congressman should be required to bake a loaf of bread per day. >
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 7:50 PMAmendment: Smoke a joint while baking bread. -
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:35 PM<<senilogisms>>
Now. there's a neologism that was just a-waiting to be born! I find myself doing that naturally more and more as I advanced into my septuagenarian years!
BTW, I Googled it and didn't find it anywhere. You should send it to Ben Schott:
schott.blogs.nytimes.com/
feed://schott.blogs.nytimes.com/feed/
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 11:44 AMJust submitted "senilogism" to Schott. Thanks for link, Wil.
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 7:06 AMJosé Arguelles' talent for neologisms is probably the result of both upbringing and genetics. He comes from a fascinating family:
Ivan Arguelles (José's identical twin brother)
9thstlab.blogspot.com/2009/04...les.html
Alexander Arguelles (Ivan's hyperpolyglot son)
foreignlanguageexpertise.com
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 11:16 AMThanks for that on the Arguelles family , Hoopes. What an unusual clan! The thanksgiving image is pretty good thought. Somehow i bet the rest of the family is interesting too.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 12:06 PM"what’s the relationship between
bleach and blanch
and for that matter Blank
as in “blanche-fleur”
you was my bride in XXth century
furiously et cetera
goddamned how the troubadours .... " -- Ivan Argüelles
serious competition ....
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:56 AMIf I were clever with JavaScript (which I'm not), I'd create a newage bullshit generator with this as a model:
www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html
It could help me to deploy frictionless eyeballs to innovate real-time functionalities while utilizing cutting-edge mindshare and maximizing world-class technologies. -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 11:48 AMI've always wanted to spend Thanksgiving with the Penroses.
discovermagazine.com/2009/se...echanics
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 12:30 PMAs a fellow geometrician, I share much of Penrose's philosophies on all the dead horses of Physics which PHD-mythology holds as sacred, i.e. big bang, string theory, and quantum theory. If all it takes to hold intellectual-respectual-edu-sway is a substantial mythic-institution, then Yes, Pegasus is Mine! -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:25 PMPegasus is yours. -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:34 PMSubstantial be-ness!
Stop!
All That Is creates Pegasus' polarity.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:40 PMGeometry is Truly a Horse I can ride with exceptional Skill, and it may be employed with deception & limitation by many, Yet, Ultimately it is Key to Structure, and Yields to Demonstrate Essential, Underlying Truths when it is given free-reign by creative expression beyond conventionally-conservative utilizations. -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:45 PMAll That Is creates substantial knowledge.
Pegasus emanates the geometry of unified ecstasy.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 2:08 PMAll That Is brings home imagined be-ness.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 2:10 PMGeometers do it from more angles.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 2:31 PM<<Geometry is Truly a Horse I can ride with exceptional Skill>>
Ok, lets see ... give me a value for Z > 3 such that ln(Z) < x^(0.1)
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 2:50 PMbeep ! ... time over ....
(OK i cheated ... that was Algebra .. not your alley)
but how 'bout
Lets say we have some points in a plane in such a way that any 3 points forms the area of a triangle . Please demonstrate that all the 3 points lie within the area of the triangle.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 3:48 PM<<is that supposed to be easy or difficult? >>>
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 3:55 PMI wouldn't want to deprive Les of the glory, lol. -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 4:09 PM
The Seed's infinity!
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 4:11 PM
Telepathic knowledge!
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 4:15 PM<<Telepathic knowledge!
Help!
Sentient expression! >>
are you trying to fit the job description Orpheus had before he took a vacation from this tribe ?...
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 4:21 PMjust arsing around.....blame it on too many 13 hr shifts in a row :-P
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 4:25 PM
Am-ness' thought!
Dang!
Heaven emanates the expression of underlying infinity.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:22 PM<<bumrush i'm seriously gonna orgasm if you keep that up any longer :D >>
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:24 PMyeap let's keep it up til 2012 and beyond then.. for its scope is really limitless -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:28 PM<<2012 and beyond >>
i will be around ... weed does not die easy
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:35 PMI don't need no stinking algorithm to generate absurdist, yet coherently mappable imagery of a poetic bent .............. but the Machine gets ecstatic kodos, whilst I generally (when amongst a randomish group) get naught but inevitable interjections of griefish detractionry? Alas, Such is the world.............. -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 5:39 AMI don't need no stinking algorithm to generate absurdist, yet coherently mappable imagery of a poetic bent .............. but the Machine gets ecstatic kodos, whilst I generally (when amongst a randomish group) get naught but inevitable interjections of griefish detractionry? Alas, Such is the world..............
lol Les.....
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 7:08 AM
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 7:57 AM
The World magnetises stinking consciousness,
But Guru-INSIDE envisions significant truths.
Hark!
All That Is believes in the orgasm of creative infinity.
Yea, the orgasm of creative infinity.
Dang!
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 4:12 PM<<I wouldn't want to deprive Les of the glory, lol>>
Ha ha ha ..... lets see if he can ride that horse ; )
(he should, he is a great Geomesomething) a great one ... indeed
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:10 PMSounds like Analytical planar geometry to me. Solid Geometry is where geometry becomes something more than 2d algebraic manipulations & proofs.... and I'm not algebraically extraordinary there either, Yet I'm still more creatively enabled than most seem to be. In any case if 3 points are defining the area, they must be vertexes...... and would lie at the juncture of two edges, .... not so much 'within' the area, except if one considers the perimeter to be 'within', rather than as Boundary. -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:19 PM<<In any case if 3 points are defining the area, they must be vertexes...... and would lie at the juncture of two edges, .... not so much 'within' the area, except if one considers the perimeter to be 'within', rather than as Boundary. >>>
you should have been a lawyer or a science Fiction writer .... ha !
a solution :
One big "exterior" triangle from X0 to X2, while have the area summed of the four sub triangles
triangle t0 = X0,i0,i2 t1 = i0,i2,i1, t2 =i0,X1,i2 and t3 = i1,i2,X2. The exterior triangle X0,X1,X2.
This will give four triangles each with an area of 1, the center triangle i0,i1,i2 will per definition lie within the triangle of area four.
AFAIK it is not possible to solve with a single triangle but by letting the vertices form indidual triangles be part of a large triangle mesh, also defined by a single triangle.
X0 - i0 - X1
....i1 - i2
......X2
(answer stolen from www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php ; )
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:33 PMOsho would be the Only Guru i would follow .... but he is dead .... -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:41 PMi read the other day that it is okay to elect a dead person as your guru :D -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:47 PM<<i read the other day that it is okay to elect a dead person as your guru :D >>
yes, is been done for a while ; )
I dont care much for live Gurus, dead ones interest me less ...
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:54 PMif i wanted to be a Guru i would prefer to live in a mansion with good food and company than to live in a cave just eating "air" ... or "rolling on fire" .. to get some attention .. Osho had a sad ending ... there is no free ride .... someone always pays the tabs
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:55 PM>"rolling on fire" .. to get some attention .. <
lol it is kinda endearing though you gotta admit heheh umm hey i know we discussed Osho's death onced before but i forget.. he wa assassinated?? -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:56 PMi'd love to spontaneously combust n go out in a hail of flames :D i am so totaly Sati -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:58 PMwell i'm off to douse myself in olive oil and sunbake now.. close enough and just as self-destructive. so i won't flood the threa with anymore inconsequenchial drivel fear not
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:00 PM<<he wa assassinated?? >>
died in jail ... in India
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:54 PMyep i started reading (one of?) his book about Yoga yesterday in this lady's Balinese garden: "Now (:) the discipline of yoga"
i lived in a kind of ashram of his in Goa a while but was far from bein a devout disciple.. as for the main Osho ashram, frig! way outta my price range for an extended stay :/ but it looks pretty out there
anyway havin said th other day that there's like some crazytranscendental conspiracy up against my claimin a guru i'm amazed by this lady i've found livin at the foothills of the Himalayas who is well vital.. yay. for now. -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:58 PMCali ... the Real Guru is INSIDE ! outside you will only find deception -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:01 PMbut i'm hopelessly magnetised sometimes :S yall are just so appealin sometimes..
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:06 PM<<but i'm hopelessly magnetised sometimes >>
you seem to be today !
<yall are just so appealin sometimes>
im sure you meant someone else ; )
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:30 PM<<Unless the space is curved>>
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:40 PMAs space, like time, is secondary (non-absolute, in fact) to energetic structure,......... the more accurate concept would be to envision a differential density gradient in the energy flow that Effects a SEEming spatial curvature....... -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:42 PMi just posted a questionable Q in the quantum physics tribe along those lines at the same time :D
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 5:42 PMSpace is really curved in some references but not all.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 6:55 PMWe're just being pseudointellectual assholes, Cali. It will pass. -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 5:37 AMnow show how to perfectly trisect angles with a straight edge and compass.... -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 9:08 AMtry engaging in Applied Solid Geometry, which is what I do in the real world, rather than fiddling with pencil & paper tricks. Eclectic geometric Design & construction. Steel, glass, stained-glass, wood, stone, concrete, ceramics, & related given fullest expression into a degree of sympathetic fractality with the total environment & culture. Sculpture functioning as structure (and vice-versa)..... preferably without "representational contrivance agendas' that are frequently employed ..... as this 'control overlaying of iconic imagery' can compromise the intuitive integrities of Connections with the spontaniety-spirit of natural geometric expressionism...... as seen in natural hierarchies of the organic environs.... trees being a solid inspiration to always consider.
translation for the uncomprehending mockers of verbal eloquences..... I Build using principles seen in tree & plant architectures..... among other things,.... as functional creativity is a complex mix. -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 11:09 AMAnd aint no damn tree gonna perfectly trisect nothing except spiritually.
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 1:04 PMno translation of high faluted pretentiousness necessary... -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 1:09 PMmockery takes many forms, including speaking in a fashion beyond the comprehension of lesser intellects in order to come away seeming 'more than' they are... -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 1:10 PMI like your art though ;-)
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 2:37 PMI know for a Fact that most of humanity willfully chooses "the path of the lesser intellect", facilitated by indulging in high fat cooked foods, and if my eloquence comes across as a "mockery" of that 'residing in the lesser mind of the 3rd chakra', which currently Dominates most Every social order of things................... then Finally, We have an Appropriate USE of this thing ............"Mockery".
As for me & mine seeming 'more' than they are, the whole truth is that it seems much less than it actually Is, and yet I have to live in that much-reduced Reality that is so slavishly, popularly enforced ........... but for me to be mocked because most others want to bring splendor down into the mundane, and make it Also dull & mundane, .......... yay, should I not double-ridicule, with double-entandre-speak if it suits well, such insane twisting of minds that is Fronted as "Normalcy"? -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 3:03 PMPoint taken... but - and I wouldn't say this to you face to face because I'm much too polite in 'real' life - it really makes you sound 'up your own arse' and actually serves to distance others from being inclined to absorb the messages you would like to impart...because of the effulgence and superiority so evident in the magnificence of your words.....they just blind us! An overactive ego wrapped up in the glory of it's own splendour is very impressive! You & your's are truly so much more than you seem to be on our mundane level, even to the point of being ineffable. Praise be!
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 2:52 PMseriously dewdd, it's obnoxiously duplicitous, and Designed-for-Failure-no-matter-What. If I speak as others do, which I Usually Do to avoid Conflict........ I'm dragged along into karmic situations that are ridiculous and pervasive, so That's a No-Win for me...... if I Just be Me, others may be intimidated (unless they are operating on heartmind intellegence, rather than belly-brain) and otherwise Insulted..... prompting unpleasant karmic fallout..........
Playing the hermit is Already happening big time without me withdrawing Completely ................. so I just do an online Aikido, and speak as clearly as I know how........ as no matter what way-manner-technique I might Adopt, someone's gonna cry " condescending ! "
The Real Pretense is the World-As-We-Currently-Know-IT ..... and word is, it's Going Down, (2012 debunking site-chart or no) so Best high-tail it Out of That pretentiousness........ -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 3:07 PMI'm dragged along into karmic situations that are ridiculous and pervasive, so That's a No-Win for me...... if I Just be Me, others may be intimidated (unless they are operating on heartmind intellegence, rather than belly-brain) and otherwise Insulted..... prompting unpleasant karmic fallout..........
ok, now I feel like shit
lol
that's nothink new, it's just a bumrush after all ;-)
hey...maybe one of the reasons we are on this planet is to take the piss out of our royal selves!
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 3:24 PMI will still take the piss though, and welcome it back.......nothing so boring as patting on the back and fluffy love and the self congradulatory society all the time.
If you say stuff that nobody understands, who are you speaking to?
Not many will grasp hyperdimentional torsion physics and merkabic energy vortices as a way of explaining events that happen when energetic bodies move into a resonant/inductive relationship, like the central sun and our sun. Like a wheel thrown onto the ground with force, wavering but eventually giving in to its foreward imperative and spinning perfectly on its axis.
I don't understand it, but can grasp little bits..........it would be even more 'effulgent' if you could transform difficult to understand words like hyperdimentional torsion waves into easy to understand imagery for us.........the way that Jesus put messages into parables. Being able to impart knowledge in a way that can be understood by lesser intellects is a true sign of greatness, and if we are willing to do it for others then maybe some even more evolved than us will do it fior us!
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 3:45 PM<<try engaging in Applied Solid Geometry, which is what I do in the real world>>
Raindrops as they start to fall are extremely small. In the
course of their descent sometimes are united to form larger and
larger drops.
If 1000 such drops unite into one, what is the ratio to the radius to the
the surface of the large drop in relation to the surfaces of the smallest
drop ?
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 3:54 PMOba, stop trying to get us to do your math homework for you.....lol
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 7:57 PM"I'd create a newage bullshit generator"
Someone far more clever than I heard my wish and granted it:
www.robscreative.com/stuff/newage.html
Now is the time to embrace Lemurian geometric attunement, master subtle 12-strand readings, reinforce the divine God-head matrix, balance quantum visionary energy, and awaken a higher unified field theory family. -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 8:54 PM<Someone far more clever than I heard my wish and granted it: >
that was the easy part ....
now the coder needs to figure out how get his lil JavaScript code have the HTML server log-in to tribe and post a replay to this tread ... that would impress me a bit more
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array1 = new Array("levitate", "energize", "visualize", "balancing", "balance", "evolve", "transform", "embrace",
"activate", "orchestrate", "awaken", "enhance", "empower", "harness", "clear", "embody", "reflect", "reinforce", "master", "ascend", "perfect", "dreaming", "attune", "open", "transform" );
array2 = new Array("the", "your", "multi-dimensional", "energetic", "quantum", "holistic", "mysterious", "soul", "divine", "living", "reiki", "star", "cosmic", "subtle", "astral", "psychic", "12-stranded", "holographic", "pranic", "tantric", "crystal", "light", "vibrational", "higher", "healing", "spirit", "body-mind", "devotional", "hyperluminal", "heart", "God-head", "collective", "rhythmic", "alchemical", "Tibetan", "akashic", "4th dimensional", "spiritual", "subtle", "144,000", "pineal", "lemurian", "conscious", "new-earth", "atlantean", "sacred");
array3 = new Array("energetic", "quantum", "holistic", "mysterious", "soul", "divine", "living", "reiki", "star", "cosmic", "subtle", "astral", "psychic", "12-strand", "holographic", "pranic", "tantric", "crystal", "light", "vibrational", "higher", "healing", "spirit", "body-mind", "devotional", "hyperluminal", "heart", "God-head", "collective", "rhythmic", "yogic", "throat", "root", "planetary", "telepathic", "universal", "galactic", "12 point grid", "earth", "feminine", "harmonic", "indigo", "angelic", "geometric", "transformational", "starseed", "visionary", "unified field theory" );
array4 = new Array("synergy", "merkabas", "vortex", "energy", "bio-energetics", "matrix", "awareness", "ascension", "awakening", "archetype", "awareness", "body", "family", "DNA", "readings", "visualizations", "tonings", "vibrations", "chakra", "dolphins", "medium", "avatars", "buddha", "mandala", "pyramid", "resonance", "journeys", "inspiration", "emanations", "attunement", "wizard", "overtones", "intelligence", "universe", "family", "humanity", "existance", "expressions", "convergence", "angels", "consciousness", "masters", "potential", "wisdom", "starseed", "orbs", "crop-circle", "child" );
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 9:29 PM<<<how would you know it was a html server logging in? >>>
i would have to check his code .... if it was JavaSCript (is what he used on that site) then it would be easy to look at .... if he decides to use PHP or Java(sucks) ... then it would be harder for me to see the code ... but not as hard as making the HTML sever loginto Tribe and post a reply .... now that would ba a code a bit above high school programing ; ) -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 9:59 PMyou'd have to use a frameset to keep the focus open, assuming of course tribe doesn't timeout and you have an account with the session already open to keep the password safe.
having it create an account first would be impressive.
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:19 PM<<frameset to keep the focus open>>
if you use javaScript ..
to keep the <<session already open to keep the password safe>>
PERL might be a better way to go ....
<<having it create an account first would be impressive>>
lol ... we can let him skip that part ....
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:36 PMit's terrible coding. the arrays are all wrong, and there is a manual count of each word in each wrong array instead of using array.length
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:43 PM<<it's terrible coding>>
is more reliable than Tribe's code
<<the arrays are all wrong, and there is a manual count of each word in each wrong array instead of using array.length >>
is free code ... i mean ... free as in free beer
Rob is very creative .... he is just shy
www.robscreative.com/
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:51 PM<<methinks you'll be waiting way beyond 2012 for an auto login script from him.>>
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Magnetic Starseed Dolphins
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 4:23 AMNow we have the perfect tool to help us harness the sacred universal energy and evolve our higher mysterious expressions.
Then we will be ready to fully embrace our psychic vibrational potential and awaken our primal divine awareness.
But only by harnessing the 144,000 metaphysical visualizations can we truly levitate our magnetic starseed dolphins!
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:23 PM"we also need to hire Leslie and Cut&Paste to add more ideas to the ones already included"
It's a superb start, and a little cut & paste of items from the first post in this thread would take it a ways further...
"the new (13:20) time", "circumpolar rainbow bridge", "biogeochemical combustion", "natural (13:20) timing frequency", "artificial (12:60) timing frequency", "biomass constant", "biogeomagnetic resonance", "Psychozoic era", "psi bank", "psi bank matrix", "biopsychic field of resonance", "magnetic re-education of humanity", "Day Out of Time", "biospheric rejuvenation", "Telektonon", "Invisible Magnet of Be-Ness", "Turning the Invisible Magnet of Be-Ness", "law of time", "Psi Chrono Units", "Loom of Maya", "Cube Journey", "biotelepathic cycle", "Dreamspell", "Dreamspell Human", "Planet Holon", "biogeological flow", "fourth dimensional time", "73 Overtone Chromatics", "Blue Self-Existing Storm", "Yellow Overtone Seed", "White Resonant Wizard", "Red Rhythmic Moon", "Attunement to the Magnet of Be-Ness", "the Invisible College", "the Earth Trust", "Planetary Art Network (PAN)", "natural magnetic regrouping", "First Planetary Congress of Biospheric Rights", "Thirteen Moon Judgment Day Victory of Universal Peace Plan", "Court of Universal Culture", "Earth Curriculum for the Magnetic and Ethical Realignment of Humanity", "Dominion of Time", "Earth Regeneration", "Spiritual Unification", "yoga of the unification of the collective dream body in time", "collective planetary yoga", "cube of mind", "4th dimensional Heptagonon of Mind", "bipolar telepathic magnetic discharge", "Galactic Culture of the Federation of Divine Intelligence", "Timeship Earth 2013", "Arcturus Dominion of Time", "Time Tunnels", "the Fifth Force" -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:30 PM<<It's a superb start, and a little cut & paste of items from the first post in this thread would take it a ways further... >>
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:44 PM"bipolar telepathic magnetic discharge"
that's dripping with crazy!
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 8:13 AMyou turned out to be as precious as punque. if only you could find the formula for the volume of a sphere, all 144,000 of your kin could be kissing raindrops. -
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Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 9:07 AMwww.tortuga.com/eng/decode/index.php
kin 96: Yellow Overtone Warrior
I Empower in order to Question
Commanding Fearlessness
I seal the Output of Intelligence
With the Overtone tone of Radiance
I am guided by the power of Flowering
I am a galactic activation portal enter me.
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 9:08 AMenter me?
maybe another time ok, I'm low on vaseline.
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Decoding frames-of-mind
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 9:58 AMIt's intended to be a systematic tool to distribute & mix archetypes in a roughly even manner across the population..... ostensibly getting its validity by synchrony with the Mayan Calendar. You can play along, much like working with the I-Ching or Astrology, and see if it helps, or Not,....
.......and endless dwelling upon and lampooning what you don't Actually understand one way or another (we can't say for sure if it is based upon reality or if it's just a system which is Helpful to Some people in their spiritual pursuits) is quite a BIGGER Waste of time and Mind than what the Pretext of "we Know this Cannot be Valid" would justify. In Other words.... Go Find what is Valid for You, Rather than wasting your life "debunking and Sniggering" at what Others may find Value in.....
What a concept ! ......and a useful one for the rationalists to run through their machineries of logical outcome ( keep trying until you randomly access an Imitation of 'meaning'), in the Spirit of the 3rd chakra (the PenUltimate Height of what machine mind can achieve)
If you come to a tribe which is Essentially A Place for those who Are In Tune With and Interested (sincerely) in Discerning the Whole Truth of 2012, and then perennially IGnore the whole truth ..... preferring to defer to mocking Everything, really except your Irrelevant Base-Dull Lowest-common-denominator Rationalist Religion.. (which Fails to Comprehend Higher Principles of Rationality)......... you are a Nuisance, a distraction, and a FOOL ..... not that I intend to name names......... but Queries as to Whether This is one's INTeNT may be well in order
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Re: Decoding frames-of-mind
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:11 AMpossibly there are Some who (by way of Function, either inadvertently, or with every awareness) Only, or mostly, or in larger part "find meaning" in the Act of DeMeaning Others, not that we all don't periodically indulge a wee bit, ............. but it's the on & on & on & on & on, in-yer-face sorts of behavior that call for reconsideration-of-purposing
..... and I would Caution Anyone against occupying That 'Condition' .... as it generally precipitates a graceless, but necessary
revulsion, repulsion, defensive action, termination, .......and that general effect ... and That would seem to be Appropriate in a world of Limited resource-abilities .... I'm sure we might all agree.......
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:01 AMcan anyone explain this?
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:14 AMI could, but why Bother?, I mean Really, I have WORK to do before the snows come, and I sense a disingenuousness...... of feigned interest with-the-intent-to-diminish any such attempt -
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:23 AMI sense a disingenuousness......
well that's something we feel in common then
why bother?
nobody ever does, because it's really bs that will be explained by further sophistry in the form of flowery abstractions.
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:24 AMDid the ancient ones who carved the Calendar stone (maya?) put these meanings to the glyphs? Or is it a modern fabrication? -
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:50 AM"a systematic tool to distribute & mix archetypes in a roughly even manner across the population..... ostensibly getting its validity by synchrony with the Mayan Calendar"
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:55 AMostensibly
1. outwardly appearing as such; professed; pretended: an ostensible cheerfulness concealing sadness.
2. apparent, evident, or conspicuous: the ostensible truth of their theories.
.. ostensibly getting its validity by synchrony with the Mayan Calendar
just appearing to get validity from 'synchrony' with the mayan calendar?
synchrony of what? with what?
the time for blindly accepting people have any clue what they are talking about needs to end for all of us.
It should be crystal clear and simple to understand, or it's simply sophistry and misleading. A waste of peoples time. A distraction.
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 2:01 PMI accept that I KNOW certain things which are Obscure for most. That others Lack such self-knowledge and seem Compelled to "blindly accept" this or that from others is really an Issue of their own Ignorances..... especially when the Eloquences needed to make things Clear seem to CONstitute Yet Another reason to Reject-as-alien and make-derision-fodder-thereof (don't bother attempting to comprehend) & Distrust anything "New-Ish".
If you take my relevant lines of reasoning and habitually Reduce these and use such reduce reasoning-verbal-structures in Opposition to the Original, I Take Notice, and this Informs me of a thing or two...... Especially when the Valuable essences are chronically Dropped and Disregarded........... ala the Dance of the Academix and their "walks upon eggshells" selectivities, in which the irrefutable elements Are Pretended Not To Exist..... as they would destroy the equations & gearworx were they to be run through the rationalism machinery .....
I'm "Open-Source", whereas those with the establishment of Domineerings have everything to lose, (as the Scope of the Real Truth Has to be Controlled and Manipulated) this, not that..... look over Here, ignore that man behind the curtain .......... and so the "games of hidey-&-goseekdata" go on & on.
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:50 AMi'm going to try to limit my own in yer faceness myself and quit posting here so much so i'll keep this short..
i've wondered the same thing about the origin of those galactic signatures~though from memory there is another system i think i was muluc something somethng?? no idea really.
and i would interpret that signature's pitch as beginning with "i empower full stop"
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 10:57 AM
"i empower full stop"
lol
trouble is...
I Empower in order to Question -
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 11:09 AMin order to question Commanding Fearlessness, I seal the Output of Intelligence. -
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 11:21 AMnow what the hell does THAT mean?
seal the Output of Intelligence?
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 11:26 AMand what has that to do with a calendar?
it's really an alternative astrology.
Do astrological systems agree? or does one say 'blue' when another says 'red', happy or confused, chicken or fish?
It's a chaos of correspondances.
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Re: Decode a Birthdate
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 1:40 PMmaybe it's BS, maybe It isn't bs
I say 'let it be', (as opposed to Passing final judgment) unless it becomes a Real Problem for you by way of interference.
It does get to be IRRITATING that "because it is vague and indiscernible, Let's call it, summarily, BS, and by Association ALL eloquence related to Forward-looking (which we'll spraypaint "newage" in Every case) spirituality (indeed Every form of spirituality not steeped in monotheism gets dipped in pink and thrown in the 'newage" bin)"
Yeah! and Therefore, by association, everything Leslie offers is BS, and lets throw it into the machine and Spam the 2012 tribe with hahahaha 'funny' garbage, which, due to being Derivative of select phrases he has used, means what he says is garbage......
............oh jeez, I can't stop laughing, a regular Belly-tickle-frenzy this!!!
If you are STUCK in your belly-brain, you are on a Limited Trip, and no college education or rigorous exercising of "Logic" will cure That.
No dutiful recitations of popular academically-acclaimed science theories, nor links to Narrowly-Focused debunking sites, will save your behind from the Lowered Potential that Grips you (as it does much of humanity) in Structured Negativities. The belly is Snakelike, and moves Energies DOWN in a negative movement towards a Terminal END. Your Food Trip is sick & polluted, so That accounts for the Difficulties in Raising consciousness substantially Above the 3rd chakra (the chakra just below the 4th chakra Heart-center)
There ARE Higher Pathways, and THIS is what 2012 is geared to help us collectively move into, and there Are maps of consciousness unfoldment which may or may not Relate to the Arguelles version of things ...... for those who wish to spend time investigating that..... but you can take it or leave it, and Still Progress (or not).
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 11:59 AM<<if only you could find the formula for the volume of a sphere>>
V = 3/4 pi r^3
<<144,000 of your kin could be kissing raindrops>>
api.ning.com/files/onEty...drops202.jpg
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 2:05 PMnow divide by 1000 the volume and backwards engineer to get the proto-raindrops diameters,.... to thereby get a measurable ratio of these to the singular drop-globnormous one.
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 4:04 PMif only you could find the formula for the volume of a sphere, all 144,000 of your kin could be kissing raindrops. <<<<
1. Find the radius. Sometimes, you'll be given the radius, other times you may be given the diameter. If you have the diameter, simply divide it in half.
2. Cube the radius.
3. Multiply the previous answer by four thirds.
4. Multiply the answer by π If you want the exact answer, just write your previous answer followed by the "π" symbol.
there ya go! we're kissing raindrop kin (and have been for along time, but that doesn't dissolve the purification process, which is required to raise the lotus out of the muck into its prime glory, the seat of the throne, but i don't have to explain the sutras to most of ya here)
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 4:06 PMhmph, i didn't scroll down to read the rest first, brb! (then, quite honestly and coincidentally, i am doing math homework, we're doing pi formulas today, finding the radius of spheres and volumes of pyramids.... siriusly... lol. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 5:12 PMI bet no one here knows the proper practice and ways of homopolar haruspicy. I can teach folks for a sum of money. Cute chicks are admitted free with no guarantee of exit.
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 5:23 PMWhen I was a professional furniture designer and maker my design strategy was based on something I called "occult fractals." I would begin the design with a shape which would necessitate various accomodations and engender related shapes subervient somewhat to the function of usability as furniture ad infintum if not nauseum.
After a few days at the drawing board - or computer screen once I adopted CAD - the original shape would have been lost or seemingly so in the process of morphitectonic subcutaneous assimilation and depended heavily for further progress on the nature and status of my bowel movements, yet withal the original kernel as it were could be dimly discerned if one either turned the computer screen upside down or turned one's self upside down and squinted just so. No one understood me, and to this day that is how I prefer it. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 5:56 PMOh yeah, I can relate, in a roundabout way .... but can't completely understand the particulars, so your preference remains safe enough.
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 6:31 AMDraw a line. Draw a second line in reaction to that that, and you're on your way to creating a universe. -
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 1:34 PMbest not to "use hypoten" when intuiting absterfractals, unless you don't mind a lot of square roots elbowing your Beziers and Nurbs and such. Also can spoil the Logo-rhythm empo-templo-sions, ..........but that's where the rubber meets the graphite&vellum -
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 6:29 PMSeven minute abs! Not twelve minute abs! -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Sun, November 15, 2009 - 1:19 PMyou'd be better off evolving the lemurian psychic temple
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 2:21 PM"Beziers and Nurbs and such. "
Bezier accidents are my favorite kind. Splines are far more fun than any dangling angle. -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 2:02 PMRejoice in our intimate touch revolution or die! -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 2:04 PMIt's been revamped:
www.robscreative.com/stuff/newage.html
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:00 PMsplenderfluous re-amakening has been bothered upon its seams... www.robscreative.com/stuff/newage.html -
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:10 PMoh, see all that Positivity I get from my splenderfluousity associations...... being with positive vibes....... No Wonder! i need to come to this tribe and get snarly with the mad dogs here, just to keep a balance......
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:22 PMblest maybe not to take too much credit les, lest you Invoke your lemurian karmic planes. -
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:32 PMI would do well to invoke my Lemurian Karmic origins, but too much plane talk tends to put things back on a strictly geometric footing, .... and plain folk can't handle the unencumbered starwheel invokations that this may lead to. -
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Re: Valum Votan's Vocabulary
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 2:02 PMI have a question.
Why do you (whoever) think jose arguelles makes up all this stuff. Dreamspell 13 moon calendar. Rainbow bridge meditation. rinri project. crest13. 7:7::7:7 telektonon. 441 synchronotron not to mention the massive work he is currently busy with, since a few years already - the cosmic history chronicles?
shiiittt u know how time consuming this stuff is? fuck, the cosmic history chronicles are a 7 volume work. a volume a year being released since 2005. 2 to go... ok, even if it's all completely worthless non comprehensible mambo jambo. why does he do it?
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 2:30 PMIMO, just read back in this thread to see Hoopes' sites for Jose's family background, and then say what you think.....
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 4:32 PMI think it is some combo of Hoopes' comments about his genetic background his philosophy of art and mine about the psychological effects of that sort of creation of cosmology.
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 5:13 PMI think Arguelles is an inspired mythmaker of this age. He is digging deep into the collective unconscious and going to the getting place for the tribe and coming back with this material and that is the basic job of all good artists, poets and storytellers!!! He makes it up alright, but he makes it up out of the raw material that is our collective property, and that is why these ideas and mythic forms resemble each other so closely across cultures and why these same motifs keep recurring and evolving. People feel resonance with it and feel like it is their thought too, because it is the current dreamstuff that is the heritage of this generation. That is what i think. -
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 6:50 PMHeh...I'm pretty sure I agree with everything you just said Wil.
The key part for me in the context of this particular conversation is the part where you say: "that is the basic job of all good artists, poets and storytellers!!!"
We are in full agreement! Where we may disagree is on whether or not Arguelles qualifies as a "good' one.
This reminds me of Terence McKenna's discussion of channeling in his last interview with Erik Davis. He says something about how the problem with a lot of these folks is that they go reaching into those waters and then what they come back with is C- work, at best. That is how I feel about Arguelles' mythos. It is C- work....at best....when it comes to mythmaking. It certainly shows a vast creative ability, like much channeled material and speculative fringe research, but I find his mythos particularly lacking in really deeply engaging and relevant mythic depth. At its best Arguelles' mythos is harmless indulgence...at its worst it is destructive to both individuals (including his family) and to the cultures that he claims to represent....(which should probably bring his grade down a bit from the C- that it deserves based on content alone.) -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 12:37 AMWell, i give Agruelles an A+. I very much relate to his mythmaking and just as with Terrence, often feel that he is giving voice to and giving description of the same stuff that i find when i go to the getting place. I feel strong kinship with them, and feel like they are my allies. But surely this is just a matter of personal taste. I do not really feel so judgmental about it and am not much of an art critic by nature. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 4:51 AMI think it's really excellent and honest of you to recognize that like or dislike for Arguelles is a matter of taste. As a scholar, I give him a C- or worse. He's got some interesting ideas, for sure, but the way he evaluates them is slanted and uncritical. Like the stuff John Major Jenkins writes, it wouldn't pass responsible peer review. Even his early work, like "The Transformative Vision," is poorly argued. I think a lot of it comes from having overindulged in psychedelics. His perceptions and interpretations are frequently "off," and often just totally, insanely bonkers. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 5:20 AMI take it more as art, which after all, is where Jose is coming from. It is unintelligible gibberish true, but pretty good poetry. Not that it is even the kind of poetry that i like or write, but i like his imagery and in trying to make sense out of it, i look at things in fresh ways. I also think that at least his is a positive vision. His gibberish hits a much higher energy center than the usual fear and power chakra hit of conspiracy theorists. I see him as more living a mythic life than being a scholar. To me, he is describing the landscape of our collective unconscious seen from his own perspective. He is a mythmaker and i do not trust him to not fudge facts any more than i would expect a coyote not to snatch an available chicken.
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 6:02 AM"Mythic life" is a good description of how it's been presented. Have you read the recent biography of Arguelles by Stephanie South (his 4th wife)? He's presented as a kind of Forrest Gump of the 1960s & 1970s, buffeted by indulgences, challenges, and tragedies. To me, it's a bit embarassing and pathetic. Having read complaints from his ex-wife about truly irresponible and exploitative behavior (such as his getting stoned with and giving acid to his own teenage kids and their friends), I have no admiration and little sympathy for the guy. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 12:59 PM" I see him as more living a mythic life than being a scholar."
Yea, Hoopes is right, this definitely comes out strongly in Stephanie South's hagiography of Arguelles/Valum Votan. I would find his mythmaking SLIGHTLY more engaging if he didn't make himself the saintly reincarnated Maya prophet who's supposed to usher us into the New Age. It becomes the Arguelles show rather than a story about humanity. The reason that it doesn't make good mythmaking for me is that I can't connect myself to it...it is to Arguelles/Votan-centric. There is little room for me in his vision.
The other thing is that if you actually get into enough detail of Terence's & Arguelles' mythos they are almost EXACTLY diametically opposed. They both utilize some of the same data sources, such as Teilhard de Chardin, but their understandings of how the noosphere and the Omega Point play out are completely contradictory of one another. Arguelles' whole mythos is essentially a critique of the 'machine-building species' and Terence's mythos is a full endorsement of that same tendency. Arguelles sees it as the ultimate deviation to be corrected. Terence sees the corrective that Arguelles reccomends as the only sure-fire way that humanity doesn't survive. If one follows Arguelles' vision, Terence's vision is impossible...and if one follows Terence's vision, Arguelles' vision is impossible. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 4:28 PM>reincarnated Maya prophet<
i think that's an important thing to consider.. like, i'd possibly question the validity of such a claim if the person *didn't* have an "other-wordly" take on things.. like 'keying' 'new' terms etc.. possibly.
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 4:49 PMHe's not other worldly........He's Old Earth. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 7:37 PM>>>He's Old Earth<<<
New Earth. how do you not get that?
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 5:06 PMCALI, I'm not sure I understand your first sentence...if you could restate it I'd be happy to respond. And, yes, McKenna definitely was informed by, well perhaps not so much strange terms as borrowed terms from other thinkers, but it was definitely informed by sketchy sources, both internal and external. But, McKenna's raps are more broad than Arguelles' and do not require a complete revisioning of the world through neologisms and are often actually informed by real science. I certainly don't mean to imply that Terence is beyond reproach...I was just pointing out that Arguelles and McKenna have opposing cosmologies.
Wil, Arguelles is DEFINITELY claiming to be other worldly. He is speaking on behalf of the GALACTIC MAYA, not the terrestrial Maya. That's why it doesn't matter that his calendar doesn't correspond to the Maya calendrical system. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 7:44 PM>>>McKenna's raps are more broad than Arguelles' and do not require a complete revisioning of the world through neologisms and are often actually informed by real science.<<<
Um, most of Votan's neologisms are mathematical concepts. And if your worldview is distorted by the Gregorian mathematical miasma, then yes, your world may need revisioning. I think Terrence would agree with that!
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 10:29 PMlooking back it might have been an off-topic statement but my point was that if someone presents themselves as a reincarnation, you'd kind of hope or expect that they had proof or at least a reasonable claim.. like for e.g. if i said i was a priestess from one of the Pacific Islands it might be fair that i at least recall some of the language.. rituals.. customs.. and better yet, revelations that explained a turn of (historical/mythical) events and even the present in some way.
in Votan's case, he is allegedly re-introducing concepts that seem to have been lost in time.. so naturally they would seem a little unusual, out of place.. so he has clearly forgotten the original terminology or is choosing to formulate a new one in order to communicate old/new ideas. i honestly don't know how successful he has been - i'm kinda outta the loop, really.
i don't know i haven't really thought this through
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 1:19 PM<<Having read complaints from his ex-wife>>
lol ... that sure is a scientific source of info about the man ... haha
<<irresponible and exploitative behavior (such as his getting stoned with and giving acid to his own teenage kids and their friends)>>
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 5:17 PMOba...I'm not sure I understand your critique. Don't you think Arguelles' ex-wives are relevant sources as to the potential downsides of his prophetic career and how it has affected his family.
Also, suggesting that just because Hoopes has a photo with a bottle of 2012-relevant vodka that he endorses giving it to minors is an obvious non-sequitur. Frankly, I wouldn't want my own children (if I had them) or anyone I know to do psychedelics with Arguelles. Frankly, he seems like a terrible psychedelic role-model. Beyond that, It is one thing to do it with your own children in a controlled setting (which is still incredibly controversial--even within the psychedelic community)...it is quite another to dose their other teenage friends. It was a big controversy in the psychedelic community when MAPS wanted to devote an issue to the topic of children and psychedelics. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 6:01 PM<ex-wives are relevant sources>
maybe ... not all ex's are realiable source of info ... especially when they are out to publish books about past relationships
<Also, suggesting that just because Hoopes has a photo with a bottle of 2012-relevant vodka that he endorses giving it to minors >
it never crossed my mind Hoopes giving any of that stuff to minors ....
but .... the etics displayed are a cultural thing .... Hoopes shows the typical attitude of a Kansas resident .. a public person
the first time i ever got drunk (maybe 13 or 14, i hardly touch any licour) it was my own uncle that gave me wiskey, on a new years party .... im glad he did ... i got so flushed that to this day wiskey give me the creeps .... well he did that on purpose, my mother hated him for a while for that .... i give thanks to him
i wound never offer LSD to my daugther ... but one day she will be old enough to see other people doing it (this is California, not Kansas) .. and i would rather have her ask me for any stuff like that before she goes to the street and get it form some unknown
look at indegenous cultures .... the ones that use enteogens ..... what is the starting age ? do you know ? when is one old enough to experience ?
my fist LSD trip was @ 17 ....
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 6:15 PMthe mass histeria created around enteogens is mostly an agenda funded by political and religious bigots
The UK Government's chief drug adviser has suggested that Ecstasy, LSD
and cannabis are less dangerous than both alcohol and cigarettes.
2012.tribe.net/thread/03b...3a93fdf43d2
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 6:31 PM<<The UK Government's chief drug adviser >>
he is also an "ex" now (got fired soon after saying that) .... go ask his gov for an opinion on him now .... one day an angel ... the next the devil ... dont trust all ex's stories
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 12:36 AM"maybe ... not all ex's are realiable source of info ... especially when they are out to publish books about past relationships"
I don't think any of them have published books about past relationships with José Arguelles. The comments I saw were posted at the requests of Miriam Tarcov (wife #2) and Lloydine Arguelles (wife #3) at the request by Stephanie South (wife #4), who at first did the right thing by honoring these other women's desire to have their own sides of the story told after her own biography of Arguelles was published. (South initially posted these on the Planet Art Network, but the forum is now locked and inaccessible.) These ex-wives viewed Arguelles' current wife's book as inaccurate, incomplete, and heavily biased in favor of his (and her) side of the story. It seems clear that each of them made major contributions to Arguelles' work for which they have received inadequate credit.
Lloydine Arguelles (wife #3) has her own blog:
www.lloydine.com
Although I haven't been able to find the original remarks from Miriam and Lloydine online in English, they were translated and posted in Portuguese on this website:
www.hippies.com.br/site/index.php
If you don't read Portuguese, you can use this online translator:
babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
Carl Calleman has documented some of the "hidden agenda" of the Dreamspell, including adjustment of the dates so that specific number associations fell on the birthdays of "Valum Votan" (José Arguelles) and "Bolon Ik" (Lloydine Arguelles):
The Hidden Agenda of the Dreamspell/Thirteen Moon Calendar
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 11:52 AM>>>The comments I saw were posted at the requests of Miriam Tarcov (wife #2) and Lloydine Arguelles (wife #3) at the request by Stephanie South (wife #4), who at first did the right thing by honoring these other women's desire to have their own sides of the story told after her own biography of Arguelles was published. (South initially posted these on the Planet Art Network, but the forum is now locked and inaccessible.)<<<
dude, at least supply a link to the forum or at least the domain if the thread itself cannot be linked. As it is you sound like some misinformed tabloid hack and I seriously doubt the details of your summation. www.tortuga.com/portal/forum/77
>>>Carl Calleman has documented some of the "hidden agenda" of the Dreamspell, including adjustment of the dates so that specific number associations fell on the birthdays of "Valum Votan" (José Arguelles) and "Bolon Ik" (Lloydine Arguelles)<<<
yea, almost as convincing as his assumption that the nine creation cycles end on the day 13 Ahau, I know your a big fan of that theory... -
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 2:50 PMDude, I post like five thousand links and you complain when I don't post one you can find yourself. When are you going to start paying me for stuff? (Or at least make a donation.) Paypal accepted.
Calleman says a lot of stuff that's totally wrong. I leave it to others to decide whether he's making up the stuff about Valum Votan and Bolon Ik. That's why I provided a link!
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 3:25 PM>>>Dude, I post like five thousand links and you complain when I don't post one you can find yourself.<<<
the point is, why are you even talking about such issues it if you don't really know the source? I was just guessing that the link I posted is what you were alluding to, as I followed that thread as it progressed, I do not recall events transpiring in the way you say. However, it has unfortunately been censored and locked (although there were some posts that did deserve deletion) so unless someone has the cache it's pointless heresay. -
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 4:13 PMokay great maybe this thread will turn into a recounting of everyones recollection of www.youtube.com/watch as for me... www.youtube.com/watch
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 5:44 PMYes, the thread is locked (which is why I didn't provide a link). However, as I noted in my post, there is a Portuguese translation of the relevant messages (for which I *did* provide a link). -
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 6:31 PM>>>I *did* provide a link<<<
and that means all your facts are in order? I really don't care if you're right or wrong in all your details, but I don't think you are, the link certainly doesn't veryify the part of your post that I quoted, and I question why you would play the part of tabloid reporter here... but whatever, my reading or memory of the original thread could be totally wrong, and I"m not into churning the rumor mill, especially without evidence at hand. -
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 9:06 PM"I question why you would play the part of tabloid reporter here..."
Not so much tabloid stuff as at attempt to offer reality checks on someone who claims to be the reincarnation of an ancient Maya king.
"I'm not into churning the rumor mill, especially without evidence at hand."
Nor I, except to emphasize that evidence once openly available has been sequestered. The past is far easier to manipulate than either the present or the future. Suppressing women's voices has long been a traditional method for doing so. -
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 2:30 PM>>>Not so much tabloid stuff as at attempt to offer reality checks on someone who claims to be the reincarnation of an ancient Maya king.<<<
so instead of offering some critique of say the Telektonon, or maybe even offering some comparison of Pacal's familial dynamics, you grasp the opportunity to bluster from your high horse.
>>>The past is far easier to manipulate than either the present or the future. <<<
So, you, a former moderator of a public forum who has deleted plenty a post, supply your own version of the events without a link. I really thought you might have been talking about a separate incident that occured at planetartnetwork.net (you didn't mention tortuga), a page which I do not follow closely, because the version of events you offered differs, maybe not so much in the What Where or When, but in the Who, from events that I recall, that I figured it was possible you were reporting a separate thread of which I was unaware. An equal possibility to my mind, was that you were just typing second hand BS and didn't really even know where the conversation took place or who posted what. I would definitely be careful when attributing online postings to public figures, especially in the context of screen names. You can imply you're standing up for women, but I notice that Lloydine appears to have also removed what you consider the "relevant messages" from a previous journal entry on her own website. www.lloydine.com/journal/
heh, but if you can spin a questionable airing of dirty laundry into a crusade against the suppression of women...
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 3:20 PM"So, you, a former moderator of a public forum who has deleted plenty a post, supply your own version of the events without a link."
Not true. I *did* supply a link:
www.hippies.com.br/site/index.php
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 4:14 PM>>>What's your take on it?<<<
my take is i didn't participate in the dialouge, although it is an open forum, and i didn't care enough about the discussion when it happened to archive it, and I therefore find myself in no position to comment.
If someone here participated or archived, have at. otherwise, yes, i would consider it irrelevant. i mean the website that you dug it up on is translates like a slander sandwich. You've even been part of discussions in this forum where all this stuff has been exposed, but it's like trying to beat back the hydra www.youtube.com/watch -
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 5:01 PMthe post in question was not a dicussion....it was a response to Stephanie South's book, written by Miriam and shared by Lloydine on her blog and by Stephanie on tortuga. If I had an ex-wife and she wrote a book that talked about me and our children I would certainly hope that people would consider that my review of the contents of the book that talked about me would at least be worth hearing and taking into consideration. This just seems somehow obvious to me. Am I missing something? -
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 6:07 PM>>>If I had an ex-wife and she wrote a book that talked about me and our children I would certainly hope that people would consider that my review of the contents of the book that talked about me would at least be worth hearing and taking into consideration. This just seems somehow obvious to me. Am I missing something? <<<
great, publish your own book or blog, don't expect others to do it for you, especially not after it makes them, and even you, vulnerable to an oppotunistic onslaught from their rivals. I certainly know Lloydine is not claiming victimhood here. I don't know about Miriam but I have no reason to doubt she is without the liberty to have her own website or otherwise present her story through whatever means she wishes. Again, you and Hoopes seem to recall the *ahem* non-discussion differently than I. Did I even supply the correct link to the forum? www.tortuga.com/portal/sea...e/stephanie -
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 6:27 PM<<publish your own book or blog>>
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 6:36 PM>>>todo es de acuerdo al cristal atraves del cual se mira .... <<<
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 6:40 PM<<heh, you think Oprah might give the FLT some press lol >>
FLT ? did you mean to write BLT ?
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 4:09 PMTreeFrog, I'm trying to figure out exactly what you are suggesting is hearsay.....is it just the fact that the ex-wives posted these comments at all that you are questioning? If so, my corroboration of Hoopes' story should not be totally insignficant. He e-mailed me the links when they were first posted, both on tortuga and on the wive's blogs. The fact that you never saw them before they were taken down in no way suggests that they never existed, though I can definitely understand your wanting to directly see it. What I don't understand, however, is your tirade against Hoopes' even mentioning it. The comments WERE made and are worth bringing up in a dicussion of Arguelles' life and value.
In fact, though, as we know, the related threads were removed on Lloydine's blog and on tortuga, Calleman makes several references to the fact that this critical response from Miriam DID exist at one point before it was censored. Here is one such example: www.mayanmajix.com/portal/view_topic.php
So, the question should not be WHETHER OR NOT such a posting ever existed--it DID-- but rather why it has been censored.....and further, why shouldn't it be mentioned? This is not TABLOID material....this is just how one goes about studying a cultural movement. It would be remiss of someone studying the 2012 phenomenon not to take into account the output of Arguelles' former wives. Certainly, one doesn't consider their comments as entirely objective, but one considers their positions nonetheless. Arguelles was allowed to say whatever he wanted about his family in his hagiography....why shouldn't his family's voice be allowed to have their say on the subject?
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Mon, November 23, 2009 - 5:00 PMOkay, I get hat you don't know me or where I'm coming from really, and I probably should put a little more information about myself on my profile for the purposes of fruitful dialouge. At the same time, look back at the words in my posts. The original messages from Lloydine and Miriam are translated on the page to which he provided the link. I'm no Portugese expert, but I'm not disputing their contents (not the direct quotes that is).
>>>The fact that you never saw them before they were taken down in no way suggests that they never existed,<<<
Did I not make it clear that I followed the discussion as it happened? Tortuga is my internet base, where i publish my free calendar and all. You can find my posts there (TreeFrog), concurrent with the thread in question. I know they existed, and I did not recieve the links via e-mail from a source whose bias regarding the subjects at hand is often questioned, but saw them unfold as part of a long long series of discussions on the tortuga forums.
>>>I can definitely understand your wanting to directly see it. <<<
no, i really don't care. if I had, I would have archived the contents as I do with discussions I find more interesting. Personal drama, I can do without, and that's about all I remember of it.
>>>What I don't understand, however, is your tirade against Hoopes' even mentioning it.<<<
what i wrote was at least supply a link to the domain. that's it. if he had done so i would have just thought he remembered things different, but he didn't so i thought second hand BS was another possiblily, and when it comes to naming names, that is poor reporting, even if it might be true. The existence of the messages from Lloydine and Miriam is not the only thing Hoopes asserted. Look again at the quote of his to which i directly responded. Does "did the right thing" not clue you in that there's something more here than an unbiased history?
>>>Calleman makes several references to the fact that this critical response from Miriam DID exist at one point before it was censored. Here is one such example: <<<
What does it tell you about Calleman that he inserts himself in the drama like this? I could insert my own subjective view of his role in the events, but that's playing into their game and all. I was really anti Bush (and Gore) around 2000 but I didn't make it like an 8 year vocation or anything if you know what I mean...
>>>why shouldn't his family's voice be allowed to have their say on the subject? <<<
is this a serious question?
>>>The airing of dirty laundry already took place by the parties involved....Hoopes was simply reporting on it like a good historian.....it's not like he snuck into their house with a microphone....he was just referencing a document that was originally made public by 3 of Arguelles ex-wives. <<<
no, he just played fast and possibly loose with facts while dropping names and glossing the source. that is the issue here, i'm just sorry it has drug on so long and hopefully we can move on to something more productive
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 7:49 PM>>>Don't you think Arguelles' ex-wives are relevant sources as to the potential downsides of his prophetic career and how it has affected his family. <<<
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 7:50 PMdon't get me wrong, Jose's avataric posturing really gets old sometimes...
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 1:02 AM"What do you know about Albert Einstein and his familial relations?"
Well, there is some controversy about the extent to which his first wife, Mileva Marić, a mathematician and physicist, may have contributed to the development of his important discoveries. Their marriage ended in divorce and her story has never been well documented.
Mileva Marić
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mileva_Mari%C4%87
"Or Ghandi?"
Ghandi's wife Kasturba died of a lung infection after he refused to allow her to be treated with penicillin.
Kasturba Ghandi
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasturba_Gandhi
"What did Jesus have to say regarding his family and their understanding of his spiritual path?"
I can't find the exact quote right now, but I'm pretty sure he left his family and told his disciples to do likewise.
"Buddha?"
He wasn't much of a family guy, either.
I guess that's why I like Jewish rabbis so much. Not only were they religiously *commanded* to have sex with their wives every week (except for times around their wives' periods) and not commit adultery, but the great Jewish spiritual thinkers (Hillel, Maimonides, and Rashi, for example) valued their families and didn't find healthy marriages to be incompatible with deep wisdom.
Hillel the Elder
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_the_Elder
Maimonides
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 3:14 AMmisogyny is only natural...
women are equal to men...
and lets face it - guys suck...
and then you add to that the associations with horrific stuff like nature and reproduction...
it's not really surprising then that nobody likes women - not even women...
except maybe the ones that do cool stuff like cooking and cleaning are not too bad...
and I guess the cute ones kinda give you something to look at when you're riding the metro etc...
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 6:48 AM<<women are equal to men...
and lets face it - guys suck... >>>
if <<women are equal to men... >> and <<guys suck... >>
then it could be concluded that "woman sucks"
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 9:39 AMwell done oba...
if you can't get smart...
why not get personal... ;)
so everybody knows the ladies love a guy in a uniform...
and guys who ain't too bright...
and guys that deal shit...
so I guess I should dump some junk on the nearest schools and use the luscious dosh to kit myself out at the tie dye shop and toke myself witless...
and then maybe if I stick at it for a decade or 6 I could even be popular and eventually get celebrated as being a lying scumbag in a ratty blog somewhere by the gazillion mothers of my exponential progeny...
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 12:58 PM<well done oba... >
thnx ; )
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long time
Stole a few man's (and woman) soul and faith
I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
in the general's rank
When the Blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my Kin
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I am a galactic activation portal,
guided by the power of Death,
I seal the Matrix of Endlessness,
With Planetary tones (in key),
A White Planetary Mirror
(K#218)
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 1:35 PMyup you gotta show some compassion to those devils that'll push their potentialities as far as it takes to get just a little bit more peer bonding going on... hahaha
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 2:02 PMI always thought teletubbies were graciously asexual...
and free from all that sordid naked prod game stuff...
www.youtube.com/watch
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 2:42 PM<<I always thought teletubbies were graciously asexual... >>
wrong ... again
1.bp.blogspot.com/_af2tMq2A...tubbie.jpg
and again ...
www.gifbin.com/bin/320sw53yu499.gif
some never learn ...
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 3:02 PMpoor lost little tubbies...
acting out of character like that...
there's no decent role models out there anymore...
twisted little fellas probably got raised by drugged up weirdos...
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 5:53 AM<misogynistic tendencies>
... i dont see how one could have misogynistic tendencies and yet marry 4 times .... i would call that masoquist tendensies
<original remarks from Miriam and Lloydine online in English, they were translated and posted in Portuguese on this website>
Portuguese is similar to Spanish .... is easier for me to read than to speak it ....
for all i can tell ... he is not loved anymore by his ex's ... and prob with good reasons ..... not all 4 ex's can be wrong ... but who knows ... many people still see Geroge Bush or the Pope as a great man ..... mass agreement not always equal reason ....
anyway ... im glad none of my ex wives (just 2) has published web pages about me .... first one i never saw again ... 2nd one, the mother of my child is still a good friend
and yes, i have had misogynistic tendencies in the past ..... prob with reasons .... but later come to the realization that all individuals are different .... no reason to blame all woman for what one of them does ....
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 4:21 AMI think the jews have it right and in fact most creeds would concur that deep wisdom equates to wealthy marriages which in turn are conducive to deep wisdom... -
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 4:42 AMI think it is a lot more accurate as well as more helpful and less divisive to point out that misogyny and respect for women are present in all cultures and in all people. -
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 9:56 AMmisogyny everywhere...?
and what about all the flagrant philogyny going on all over the place...?
"The opposite of misogyny is philogyny. and its male counterpart misandry. An equal opportunity hater would be misanthrope."
so like I always used to describe myself as a "homophobe" because I thought it should mean "fear of men" whereas maybe what I should of said was "misandrist" although in the end "misanthrope" works well enough I guess...
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 6:18 AM<<. Not only were they religiously *commanded* to have sex with their wives every week (except for times around their wives' periods) and not commit adultery>>
not sure if to cry or to laugh about this one .... i guess it would depend on the situation ; )
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 11:51 PMNo, it wouldn't. I do believe adults and especially parents have special responsibilities around kids. I suspect the ancient Maya reserved certain kinds of knowledge for individuals who had completed a k'atun (7200 days). -
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 5:37 AMmyth making. i bet jose would agree to that :) yeah, this is the point. everyting can be seen as a myth. no? the story of the buddha and the teachings he shared. christ, mohammed, the traditional mayan cosmologies. capitalsim hehe. new world order. 2012 in itself. it all myths. no? how many new terms have hit our collective vocab and consciousness since the inet came into being? since sms became a reality? and we all understand this stuff no? why? why do we understand all this technology related terma and why don't most ppl who read some of valum's work make the kinnections? wot's the basic difference?
i ask cos i understand 90% of jose's work and terms. the 10% that i don't is like the 10% that a quantum phicist won't understand about his field - takes time no? so wot is the main diff? not to tricky eh hehe
booom
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