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"The 1999 discovery of the hieroglyphic platform of
Temple XIX at Palenque (Stuart 2000a) opened the
doors to a new understanding of Classic Maya mythology.
Dedicated during the reign of K’inich Ahkal
Mo’ Nahb’ III2 in AD 734, it begins with an account
of a series of cosmic events that occurred during
the final bak’tun of the previous creation. These
events include the enthronement of god GI in the
sky under the supervision of Yax Naah Itzamnaaj on
March 10, 3309 BC, as well as a decapitation event
that happened eleven years later. This passage (Figure
1), partially deciphered thanks to contributions
made by David Stuart (2000a:29, 2005:68-77, 176-180,
2006:101), narrates the decapitation of a crocodile or
caiman with star and deer attributes (the “Starry Deer
Crocodile”), that we can observe in other contexts as
a patron god of the month Yax,3 the head variant of
the eighth day of the Maya calendar, Lamat, or the
personification of the glyph for “star,” “Venus,” or
“planet,” EK’ (see Förstemann 1906:182-196; Thompson
1960:77, 105, 220-221; Kelley and Kerr 1974:184;
Kelley 1976:38; Closs 1979:147-148; Aveni 1991:316)"
"ERIK VELÁSQUEZ GARCÍA
Instituto de Investigaciones Estéticas, UNAM"
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Temple XIX at Palenque (Stuart 2000a) opened the
doors to a new understanding of Classic Maya mythology.
Dedicated during the reign of K’inich Ahkal
Mo’ Nahb’ III2 in AD 734, it begins with an account
of a series of cosmic events that occurred during
the final bak’tun of the previous creation. These
events include the enthronement of god GI in the
sky under the supervision of Yax Naah Itzamnaaj on
March 10, 3309 BC, as well as a decapitation event
that happened eleven years later. This passage (Figure
1), partially deciphered thanks to contributions
made by David Stuart (2000a:29, 2005:68-77, 176-180,
2006:101), narrates the decapitation of a crocodile or
caiman with star and deer attributes (the “Starry Deer
Crocodile”), that we can observe in other contexts as
a patron god of the month Yax,3 the head variant of
the eighth day of the Maya calendar, Lamat, or the
personification of the glyph for “star,” “Venus,” or
“planet,” EK’ (see Förstemann 1906:182-196; Thompson
1960:77, 105, 220-221; Kelley and Kerr 1974:184;
Kelley 1976:38; Closs 1979:147-148; Aveni 1991:316)"
"ERIK VELÁSQUEZ GARCÍA
Instituto de Investigaciones Estéticas, UNAM"
Read This PDF for the Full Article...
www.mesoweb.com/pari/publi...flood_e.pdf
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 3:18 PMThe morphing of an ancient story about the spilling of blood from a decapitated crocodile to a Conquest-era story about a "great flood" that affected the whole world is certainly intriguing. Naturally, the latter was of more interest to theologians and missionaries who were familiar with the story of Noah. I'm not sure a myth about the slaying of a great crocodile would have been as useful to them. -
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 3:21 PMBy the way, those interested in myths of blood and sacrifice and renewal will find some interesting ideas in the chapter I and David Mora-Marín have contributed to this new book:
Blood and Beauty: Organized Violence in the Art and Archaeology of Mesoamerica and Central America, edited by Heather Orr & Rex Koontz
www.ioa.ucla.edu/publicati...and-beauty
The title is: "Violent Acts of Curing: Precolumbian Metaphors of Birth and Sacrifice in the Diagnosis and Treatment of Illness 'Writ Large.'"
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 9:47 AMI understand your view point Hoopes. However, I do not agree with it.
Once again Hoopes. There is a Popol Vuh just found from about 200-300 Years BEFORE Christ was born. It contains the Flood Myth. Not to mention the Flood Myth itself is found through out the world. The Christians, Once Again, Stole it from the Sumerians. As they did with most of the Stories in the Bible.
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 11:44 AMthe great flood isn't a myth. its in the geological record. most indigenous origin stories (and all of them that i know of, which is many, in california) start after the flood. i just got done with a project for the department of water resources in regard to tribal water issues. all the origin stories start with water and prophecy (how origin stories apply to todays water issues).
maybe i'm confuese about the myth part. coyote cycles are like that... -
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 12:24 PM"its in the geological record"
Not a worldwide flood. However, there were lots of big *local* floods that happened at different times under different circumstances. -
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 12:50 PMand land has risen and sank -
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 3:56 PM"and land has risen and sank"
As handily explained by plate tectonics.
Orogeny
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orogenesis
Subduction
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subduction
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Re: The Maya Flood Myth and the Decapitation of the Cosmic Caiman
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 12:22 PM"There is a Popol Vuh just found from about 200-300 Years BEFORE Christ was born. It contains the Flood Myth."
Umm. No. If you're referring to the stucco reliefs at El Mirador, they're just possible images of characters in the Popol Vuh (like images of Greek gods in Classical sculpture) and they don't contain the Flood Myth.
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