Pinchbeck's Book

topic posted Mon, May 15, 2006 - 10:03 PM by  Xodman
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im starting this new topic which will basically be my rambling/impression/ideas/questions about
2012: the return of quetezaquotal...feel free to add you own ramblings..try to aviod self righteous posturing and borish propaganda

so in part one a bunch of interesing stuff is added/updated from the previous book

we are introduced to the noosphere concept
the statistical validity of esp as an unexplained phenom
and the princeton random number generator

these are the things that resonated with me and these were things i explored that last time
i tripped on somthing that lasted several hours

could the noosphere be consciness in a processor chip?
they now have them the size of carbon moloecules
could we just be teaching these machines how to think
then they will just leave the planet (as well they should because many of us are jerks)
if consciness is injected into the world wide web...its over folks

if random number generators act wierd before an event like 9/11
then random things like 3 coins that create hexagrams may be influecned
by some sort of thing-field or something...which i maintain gives some validity
to terrences' timewave...
i once bought this manuscript from the leftist wierdo i knew called 9/11 and us global hegemony
in it he says that the stock market rose sharply then dropped and there was some sort of wierd sell-off
right before 9/11...he attributed it to the masons or ilumanti or somthing..but the stockmarket is a somewhat random and chaotic system...much like random number generators the i-ching and possibly the timewave....of course the last time i tripped on somthing that lasted several hours i came away with the impression that the timewave was somthing terrence came up with to get people to go to his retreats...the real agenda was all the stuff leading up to it (ozone, politics, archaic revival, elves etc etc..) ...the time wave was a trixter like construct to keep 'em guessing

i think there is a mystical 2012 and a very very real 2012
by 2012 (as mr pinchbeck repeatedly illustrates in his book) the biosphere will collapse
and the earthlings will be s.o.l.
maybe the noospehere is somthing we tell ourselves so we get up out of bed and go to work

why would you if you knew we were fucked?
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  • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

    Mon, May 15, 2006 - 11:01 PM
    the books' ability to anticpiate my questions never ceases to amaze
    after trying to puzzle terence mckenna into the equation all day
    and posting several things on tribe of varying degrees of coherence
    the next very chapter i read is the mckenna chapter

    the book can read my mind years in advance
    and write itself accordingly

    how does it do that?
    • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

      Tue, May 16, 2006 - 8:39 AM
      i bet a lot of this stuff i say is comming off as foolish
      im debating weather to continue...but i am attempting to
      document my reactions to the text of the book

      the lamest thing is that im speculating on stuff which i think is
      original but then comes up in immeidat reading
      for example the ramblings on nanotech and ai
      my views are not wholly orignal on this
      i think my views and senior pinchbeck's are shaped
      by some of the same influences
      but what may sound like me misunderstanding
      very well refrenced and thougth out concepts in the book
      is actually me arriving at these conclusions before i read that part
      (and then realizing that mousieur pinchbeck articulates it way better than me)

      that crop circle thing is crazy
      new overlooked euclidain postulates?
      3 strand DNA next to a SETI tower?
      repsonse to dr carl's probe a few thousand years early?

      after burninig man and in anticipation of this book we downloaded
      a bbc or chanel 4 documenty on crop circles (illegally)
      they talk about the orbs or ball lightning and im thinking that
      the orbs are camera shy like bigfoot and the easter bunny
      then moments later: orb captured on camera

      the most amazing thing is how the hoaxers get all the
      credit as far as the coprerate "liberal" media are concerned
      and most people (most of my co-workers for sure) write it off as bullshit
      hundreds of people sneak into fields undetected by farmers an make these
      perfect geometric shapes in one night in absolute darkness...ok
      as long as mc starbucks is still open i'll belive anything you guys say

      this will probably be covered in the next chapter i read
      but i recall being a a party back in college in the 90's
      with this astronomy student (i think i was smokin his weed)
      and he was saying that the molecular stucture of the corn was acutally
      altered in some way (i can remember exactly..i was kinda altered myself at the time)

      its amazing what lengths the west will go to avoid a true paradigm shift
      churches, wars, mass media, high school...and most people willingly co-sign the deal

      this book is continuing to break open my head
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        Re: Pinchbeck's Book

        Tue, May 16, 2006 - 10:05 AM
        I'm going to go try and purchase a copy today at my local independent bookstore... having been intrigued by Pinchbeck's posts here on tribe and by what others have said about his previous work...

        But when you write:

        > the most amazing thing is how the hoaxers get all the credit as far as the coprerate "liberal" media are concerned and most people (most of my co-workers for sure) write it off as bullshit... its amazing what lengths the west will go to avoid a true paradigm shift
        churches, wars, mass media, high school...and most people willingly co-sign the deal

        I am in total agreement! By example, I have a friend who is a fairly 'alternative' minded guy who has serious 'spiritual' values and interests (he reads books on Santeria and Tibetan Buddhism and Jungian psychology, etc, and has an altar in his home, prays and does rituals, etc) and he considers himself a liberal (and naturally hates GWB) - And yet, when I try to suggest to him that the government likely had prior knowledge and even active involvement in the attacks of 9/11, he scoffs it off, content to limit his blaming of the present government with 'incompetence' and leaves it at that... and he reacted the same way once when I brought up the topic of crop circles, having seen the documentary you cite - Even with 'spiritually minded' people, it seems that they are willing to grant spirituality and metaphysics credence only so long as it is put in a bounded area of (typically empty) ritual thought and practice (think 'mainstream religion' as well as all the New Agers who hold really 'out there' beliefs yet whose underlying allegiance to the materialist paradigm of consumerism and alienated labor and mass cultural indoctrination remains unquestioned)

        In my view, a (if not THE) fundamental reason that the efforts of liberals and radicals on the Left alike to undermine or overthrow the Bush regime is that they (or shall I say, we, insofar as I like to consider myself aligned with their aims) are limiting their analysis and their strategies to a strictly mainstream framework... When a critically large enough mass of humans rise above the materialist bullshit of the status quo and attain to an authentic (as opposed to superficial and symbolic) spiritual awareness (which is reflected in actions and not just beliefs), and a willingness to sacrifice the illusions of 'security' and well-being which materialism and consumerism grant us, then we will see major changes. The system is going to collapse anyway, that's certain enough; I'd just like to see more of us expediting the passing and the process...
        • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

          Tue, May 16, 2006 - 7:32 PM
          i have some data on this 'unconditional skepticism'
          i was telling this co-worker about daniel's book
          or at least the min-blowing things about the new
          geometric postulates and the sheer volume
          of crop circles...i got the usual cynacism
          but it eventually it came out that if he chose
          to belive this then his life and how he viewed it
          would be meaningless...

          so i think it's a solophcistic-denial
          to preserve one's ego...if one disolves one's
          ego on a fairly regular basis
          (there are tribes that will tell you how)
          it's not so threatening :)
          • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

            Wed, May 17, 2006 - 7:22 AM
            Is it water soluble...the ego? Or are we talking a base alchohol to dis-solve into ones ego?

            No seriously, from your point of view...no right or wrong answer...what is the major theme of Daniels most recent title? I am just collecting perspectives.
            • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

              Wed, May 17, 2006 - 2:26 PM
              well im not sure i can fairly comment on theme yet
              becaue there is so much of the book i havent read yet

              but...
              according to the introduction
              the planet earth is headed for an ecological
              social, political and rescource apocalypse
              ...thats bad

              but according to these various philosophers
              and a certain historical perspective (all of it well souced)
              we are headed for a shift in consciousness
              ...that's good

              but its not clear what or how and it looks
              like a destructive 'birthing process' must occur first
              ...that's bad

              but the crop circles may contain a clue
              ...that's good

              but most people are too stuck on themselves to notice
              ...that's bad

              but it comes with a choice of toppings
              ...that's good

              but the toppings are also cursed
              ...that's bad

              you get the idea
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                Re: Pinchbeck's Book

                Wed, May 17, 2006 - 5:54 PM
                From what you offer as the 'good' and the 'bad' of Pinchbeck's conclusions, I seem to be pretty much in agreement with it all... if the author has the courage and honesty to confront the undeniably unpleasant aspects of where things are headed (and not try and sidestep or gloss over them as so many of the New Age 'love 'n light' prophets tend to do), then he at the very least has my respect... And since my local bookstores don't have the book yet, I went ahead and ordered it, along with his previous book which I haven't even read yet either, from mega-corporate Amazon (hey, I'm unemployed, I gotta save pennies and their prices are the cheapest, sorry)... I'll have more to say once I've read it...
      • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

        Tue, May 16, 2006 - 1:25 PM
        it's tricky (the pursuit of truth that is)

        there are comfortable anwsers and then there are answers that
        involve questioning everything including 'appropriate' social norms
        tradition and culture...and its not always pleaseant

        i had this thought
        (maybe the southwestern dog w/ jalapeneos has somthing to do with it)
        ..and i hope mr pinchbeck doesnt resent me using HIS book to better understand mckenna and going on and on about it but it helps to have a filter...this mornings reading was a summary and critical disection of true hallucinations (which i had just read a few months before)

        what if...
        we assume that aliens or some other enitiy did get in touch with the mckennas down in la chorerra
        if you are an alien with a higher intellignce and you are trying to communicate with hairless apes (specifically the mckennas) and you give them somthing (like the the timewave) the math may not add up

        if the crop circles are providng new (over looked) euclidan geomerty theroms
        maybe the timewave makes sense (adds up) but hairless ape mathmatics needs
        a few centuries to catch up (if only we had't burned the library at alexandrea)

        of course the only folks avail at the time to reciece the message and 'open' to the experience
        one dropped out of cal with a major in art history and the other (who had a math/science background)
        was too crazy to deal with it...

        im sayin the timewave should be approached like a spacecraft in area 51 (not that there is one)
        assume it right and reverse engineer the mechanics...

        ...or it is a warning and we dont really have time or mental capacity to figure it out

        warning or no warning i doubt anyone would belive it if they were told
        ...the tradgey of casandra


        • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

          Tue, May 16, 2006 - 6:03 PM
          Wish i could contribute to this topic; the book sounds way cool, although it may be a bit before I actually pick it up since I already have a few more books to read.

          Anyway, wanted to comment briefly:
          >>>in the 90's
          with this astronomy student (i think i was smokin his weed)
          and he was saying that the molecular stucture of the corn was acutally
          altered in some way

          In the 90's was when GMO became known (or more known...) and corn was generally the example they used to show how altering the corn's DNA or something is what stopped the common corn pest from destroying the corn crops.

          And yes, Ferrara, I known very spiritual people like that who think it is ridiculous to believe "conspiracy theories".
          • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

            Thu, May 18, 2006 - 10:19 AM
            so this is another "plate o' shrimp" (see 1984 film Repo Man for more explanation on term)

            due to just general craziness...my band is going to play a bar-be -que this saturday
            our drummer (who's schudle is very unforgiving) can't make it
            but i had made demos to some of our songs w/ a drum machine
            so the whole thing could work if i hadn't deleted the tracks (i wasnt sure...i was planning to delete them)

            so i go to check if they were still saved and said somthing to the effect (tongue in cheek too)
            "dear jesus, i know i havent been the best cosmic christian latley, but please let there still be the drums tracks on the machine"...this is some what iconoclastic and blasphemous and im sure most of my views on christ would get me burnt at the stake in the 17th century (or the deep south today) but its kind of a running joke with me (and jesus)...i wont go into it too much but i had a deep transubstantion experience during a holotrophic breathwork session at burning man last year

            just as soon as i got done saying this...the drum machine's memory goes bizerk and clears everything
            (i will be playing bongos at the bar-be que this saturday)

            so for 24 hours im walking around all confused...wtf? is cosmic jesus vengeful? is some evil enity playing games here? (is this an just rrie concidence)

            so last night i pick up the 2012 again...the last part of book 2 is all about gnosticism
            (plate o' shrimp)...which pretty much summarizes my take on the world's most famous carpernter (not tim allen or karen carpenter)

            i still dont know what the 'message from above' is with the drum machine...maybe jesus wants to hear an unplugged acoustic set...i dont get it (i even soldered in a new battery)

            this book is like the necronomicon
            it has errie powers...beware...but read it...but beware
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              Re: Pinchbeck's Book

              Thu, May 18, 2006 - 10:58 AM
              "Throw another shrimp on the barbee, mate!"...

              www.godhatesshrimp.com/
              • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

                Thu, May 18, 2006 - 12:30 PM
                this is too wierd

                i was walking to work
                and i was just thinking about
                that exact section of leviticus and how
                most of our diet is technically forbidden
                (as well as piercings and tatoos)

                i think there is a parts that refers to insects
                as "four legged winged creatures"
                (which i think invalidates the whole bible)
                and how we cant eat them and thinkign about
                how shrimp might fit into that being related to insects
                (if highschool biology is to be belived)

                and then BAM...i covertly sneak online and here this is
                these are strange days my friends...strange days
                • alien abduction

                  Fri, May 19, 2006 - 11:04 AM
                  so im reading the alien abduction part of the book now...

                  ...it's very wierd and interesting

                  much like the crop circles no conclusive anwsers are given
                  but enough questions arise to indicate that it is worth investigating

                  ive been sorta checking out some of the references and researching
                  tangential threads as i go (this is HIGHLY discouraged in bible study by the way)

                  im am very skeptical of the gray's wolrd domination genetic experiment phenom
                  i have seen the way marketing meetings and 'group think' go and with the advent of:
                  the x-files, hypno-therapy (never validated by cognative-pyschology), and cult leaders
                  i tend to view the litteral abduction phenom as fishy

                  for one thing it embodies two of america's bigest sunconsious fears:
                  1) forcible sodomy (probing)

                  2) black's and white's interbreeding to create a race of greys
                  aka mullato

                  in my studies (this may be the next chapter in the book)
                  i came across someone who found 44 paralles to satanic ritual abuse
                  which has been fairly well de-bunked
                  and many abudction accounts vary

                  but there are more or less 4 consistent themes
                  1) paralysis
                  2) tranpostation
                  3) light
                  4) freezing in time

                  when i read this i thought to myself "sounds a lot like lickin' toads to me"
                  (or more accuratley the DMT experience)
                  of course the aliens have antenne and look like the tele tubbies in my case

                  maybe these abducted folks are having seizures or somthing where dmt is discharged from their pineal glands

                  note: the popularity of 'grays' in rave culture which has a sub culture that comsumes dmt

                  also i think dmt has a quality similar to the 'iz' in the maxx
                  you recognize it by how it's dressed...
                  aliens are big in this century

                  200 years ago it was witches, demons, and goblins

                  i anixous await the rest of book 3


                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    book 3 and beyond

                    Sat, May 20, 2006 - 9:15 AM
                    the end of book three is very confusing
                    there is a lot of information and some wildy
                    crazy ideas from various figures...

                    ...we downloaded the r u sirus? pod cast which shed some light
                    (link prvided by pincbeck himself in the 2012: return of thread...thank you so much)
                    apparentley the two obnoxious dj's didnt understand that part ot the book either
                    i guess it is supposed to illustrate how no one really knows what's going on
                    and some people have solid fragments of the puzzle but the rest of
                    thier other ideas are kinda looney...


                    ...so its basically like dealing w/ trickster shamans
                    one's need for belief gets in the way and only intuitive understanding
                    can retrive the wisdome from the bullshit

                    it's a great lead-in to the arguelles section (speaking of bullshit)
                    i am so glad daniel read this guy's stuff and made an attempt to understand it
                    so i dont have to...arguelles makes sense if you first assume that he's insane and
                    then in the backdrop of other simmilar philosphers the more refined ideas surface
                    then it becomes helpful (this is just my opinion). just reading raw arguelles it's like
                    carlos casteneda and l ron hubbard at a dinner party eating katie holmes' placenta

                    here is my frist cricticsm of the book:
                    there is this big chapter on the mind, time and consciouness
                    and no mention of leary...wtf? i went to the index and he is menioned
                    twice...but no 24 stages of human evolution and no 8 circuit model of consciouness

                    im afraid my buddy tim is going to be written out of history.
                    this is the guy who took a pyschological profile test in prison
                    that HE DESIGNED. obvioulsy 'the man' thought well of his work
                    when i was in college freud was too much of a 'sexist pig' to be studied
                    and jeung didnt make sense till the 2nd bong hit...
                    ...our school (which shall not be named, but had a nationally recognized psychology program)
                    was big on cognative-prozac-behavioralism (although they didnt dig skinner either)

                    but leary (imho) is as signifigant to psychology as any of these other clowns
                    he may be part of the reason 2/3 of the country is ON prozac (tune out)
                    AND leary is an acid head...why he doesn't get space in pinchbeck's book seems
                    to me to be a major oversight...oh well

                    he does seem to be a popular punching bag for the maps people for some reason
                    (many of whom would be accountants or insurance salesmen right now if it wernt for leary)
                    its not like he endorses ethnic cleansing or a flat tax proposal.
                    ..he's not charles manson (although he met charles manson in prison)

                    i just think that if you are going to stoop to citing jarred diamond leary should get some print there too

                    otherwise great book so far
  • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

    Sat, May 20, 2006 - 4:47 PM
    I just finished the book this afternoon.

    Daniel reminds me of two archetypal characters, each of whom is the protagonist in a tragedy:

    Hamlet (from Shakespeare) and Tommy (from The Who)
    • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

      Mon, May 22, 2006 - 11:37 PM


      To see me, touch me, feel me, or not to see me, touch me, feel me - is that then the question?
      • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

        Tue, May 23, 2006 - 7:24 AM
        Welcome to the Camp,
        I guess you all know why we're here.
        My name is Tommy
        and I became aware this year

        If you want to follow me,
        you've got to play pinball.
        And put in your earplugs
        put on your eyeshades
        you know where to put the cork.
      • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

        Tue, May 23, 2006 - 9:59 AM
        the question is can you two bury the hatchet?
        and not in each others back?
        really guys,i think your personal feud is better left to PM's.
        my 2 scents.
        • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

          Tue, May 23, 2006 - 2:09 PM
          ok...no fighting in my thread
          go to the "load of crap" thread
          if you want to do that...

          im glad mr pinchbeck decided to drop in
          this is what college should have been
          (instead of 18 packs red dog and shitty weed)
          its great to be able to interact with the source of the text
          as opposed to just attempting to establish intent
          (plus no lowered gread for bad grammer and spelling)

          i think i have completed two other books since i last posted
          there is so much information, sources, and points of view
          that it's difficult for my meger brain to integrate

          but one part that stood out is the 2nd ibgoa experience
          very well chronicaled i thought
          then the part of how crop circles appear as what the subject wants
          (fake, real, aliens, ghosts etc...)

          i am really wondering about daimonic reality...
          since a lot of 'demons' are very rawley confronted towards the end
          is the sinister evil daimonic for those who are tortured?

          or maybe those who repress negative memories and or feelings?

          i dont get it...

          ...ive had visual experiecnes involving moprhing skulls and satanic imagery
          but it just seemed like a rob zombie video to me...not terrifying

          i dont have any particular emotional feeings about religious imagery either
          they seem like symbols...symbols arent sacred...the sacred is scared

          so my question is:

          do you a handful of possible explaniations of your "daimonic reality"?

          and also again: why omit leary?
          • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

            Fri, May 26, 2006 - 12:12 PM
            so i finished the book...

            ...im not sure what i learned or if i learned anything tangible that can
            be described with words...as t mc k once said: the brighter the bonfire
            the more surrounding darkness is revieled..

            so i dont think i walked away with any anwers
            im just more suspicious of how i view things
            from a rational standpoint...maybe more trusting of my intuition

            i'll say this..those radio interviews with the sirus guys and art bell jr
            were painfully obtuse...so even thought im clueless about the world(s)
            i feel im a little better of than those schumcks
            • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

              Sat, May 27, 2006 - 12:26 PM
              Hi Xodman,

              I want to say I appreciated your log of thoughts and impressions while reading my book. I will try to answer your questions.

              As to why I omitted Leary, I just couldn’t cover everything! I had to go with what I was drawn toward – I also omitted Nostradomus, plus a number of prophecies from other Native American cultures (such as “White Buffalo Girl”) that would have supported my thesis. The eight circuit model seems interesting, but I have not yet explored it in depth. I am more drawn toward Stan Grof and his model of the perinetal matrices, and the relationship between birth trauma and transpersonal experience (also its relationship to astrology, via the work of Richard Tarnas), but wasn’t able to incorporate that in the book either.

              As for “answers”, I feel that I do provide a number of possible conclusions, but I also leave it up to the reader to sort through these possibilities. I didn’t want to impose my answers, but let people work it through the material on their own, so they can integrate the new perspective or paradigm I am offering. If I try to separate some of these hypothetical “answers”, they include the following:

              1. Perhaps I am offering a kind of “system software upgrade” for the modern mind, which has been trapped in dualism, literalism, and rational materialism. I am saying that “rationality” has to open up to include actual, tangible factors of reality that are left out of the materialist paradigm – psychic phenomena, for instance, and transpersonal experience, and the “reality of the psyche.” By making this shift in perspective, you reorient yourself in relationship to the world and the cosmos. Because we create systems and technologies based on our perspectival relationship to time and space, this might allow for a deepseated shift in the nature of our world.

              2. Our civilizational crisis is based on a wrong relationship to time, and this can potentially be overcome through a new calendar that would place us in a new “timing frequency.” This is Arguelles’ idea – but I carefully critique the calendar he has created. I argue that we will need a global meeting of minds – astronomers, physicists, shamans, mystics, astrologers – to create a new calendar and harmonic timing frequency, meshed with the physical reality of the surrounding universe. A new timing frequency would be retroactive as well as projective, so we would be able to do away with nationstate charters, Third World debt structures, unfair legal codes, etc. We could create a new harmonic template for a compassion-based planetary civilization without artificial borders or boundaries.

              3. My own narrative suggests that those of us who are currently outside the power structure and have been intensifying our consciousness and deepening our awareness over the last decades may turn out to constitute a new “elite class” that will supplant the current political and economic leadership during an imminently approaching crisis. As previous revolutions – such as the French Revolution – indicate, there is a natural process in which a ruling class becomes increasingly out of touch with visceral reality, until that class can no longer maintain order. At that point, the class that has attained a deeper attunement to the truth of their time naturally emerge into prominence. Although this was a violent and chaotic process in the past, if we can understand and integrate the pattern at a deeper level before the crisis happens, we can ready ourselves for being leaders in this shift to a new form of social organization. I believe this process is also carefully explored in Tao do Ching and the I Ching.

              4. We co-create reality through the activity of consciousness and our directed intention. Therefore, we have to take careful stock of our intentions and how we direct our psychic energy. If we are obsessed with apocalypse and collapse, or enmeshed in paranoid conspiracy, we help to bring those results into manifestation. I agree with Arguelles that the “job” of the visionary is to envision the best possible outcome for humanity – by realizing and holding the higher frequency, we help to bring new possibilities into manifestation.

              5. The importance of psychedelic investigation and the transpersonal domain: The book suggests that what is taking place is a nondual process of consciousness evolution – we have to simultaneously do the painful work on ourselves, master ourselves, in order to bring about positive transformation of the world.

              6. A huge amount of trapped and wasted psychic energy is embedded in sexuality and love relationships, and we need to bring this area up to a much higher level of conscious awareness and articulation. Women have as much work as men in realizing and reintegrating their shadow projections – much of the feminine “will to power” manifests in the arena of personal relationships, with devastating consequences. This turns out to be very hard work on a personal level. A transformation in our realization of eros – also a resacralization of eros - may be necessary before we can make a positive transformation of the world.

              7. The most extraordinary and sophisticated reading of the Mayan Calendar by Calleman suggests that breakdown is coming very soon – 2008, give or take a few months. This may seem over literal- but I think his reasoning is quite sound. This also fits with other predictions I have seen – Peak Oil etc – and also intuitively seems to fit with the sense of accelerating entropy now prevalent. Therefore, those of us who may as I said above become the elite of a new planetary civilization have just until that time to prepare – I would like to see the widespread dissemination of a new paradigm including sustainability, alternative energy and permaculture tools, new media expressing a positive vision of human possibilities, as well as wider dissemination of shamanism and other techniques of personal transformation.

              8. We are in the same situation today with psychic power as people were in the 1750s with electricity: They had experienced lightning and static shocks but had no idea how to bring it down into the world to create an industrial grid. Many of us are experiencing upsurges of synchronicity and psychic phenomena (part of the process of the “coming of the self” revealing the “reality of the psyche.”), which suggest that the new “mutational” shift in consciousness will allow us to understand and access psychic energy in new ways, by integrating intuitive and rational modes of cognition. We can begin to envision what support systems for this transformation might be like, as that visioning process will help bring it into realization.

              Does this help at all?

              • Re: Pinchbeck's Book

                Mon, May 29, 2006 - 10:44 AM
                daniel,
                thank you so much for responding
                again i think it's really cool to be able to
                interact with writers and such in 'real time'
                it's like being able to ask Melville about what
                he was saying about capt vere's relation to authority
                or asking James Joyce "what the hell are you talking about anyways?"

                a bit about leary...
                as i have noted previously...there seems to be a lot of hostility to him in the
                academic psychedellic world...although i suspect a lot of it is posturing...but im glad your omission is not an outright snub

                but leary talks about the industrial vs. the post industrial specis of humans
                (he is exazerating a lot to make a point)
                but one is programmed to work with machines and tools an the other computers
                ideas and information. the cut off is around the time of the post wwIII 'kantun'
                he claims that certain circuits have been 'tunrned on' and others off
                so that perceptions are differnt across the two specis...nothing dramatic like
                being able to see depth percetion but minor varation givng rise to the idea that
                consciness is flexable AND that an evolution to a higher state is possible

                also...
                you work is somewhat comprable to john horgan's "rational mysticsm"
                although his skepticism in parts is forced and somtimes bordering on bitchy
                (you seem to have genuine doubts)
                i dont know if you've read this but in one of the last chapters he interviews mc kenna
                (a month before he found the brain tumor)
                his lens of skepticism is very helpful in understanding t mc k...he usually appears in contexts where
                he is not challenged (esalen lectures) or where he has to explain so much that the important stuff has no time to be discussed (art bell...im sure you know the feeling)

                anyways t mc k admits (under direct questioning) that he's not totally sold on the timewave either and much of his 'performance art' is just a means of getting like minded (acid heads) people together to grok on stuff like globalism the internet etc....

                i dont know (leary's last words)
                but i think the important thing is to BE in the question
                (i think this is leary too) and the book helped break open
                my head more...

                horgan also interviews grof
                i think i will dedicate another posting to
                grof and lilly (also omitted...but i understand why)
                but maybe tomarrow...great book...hope to get it signed at
                city lights

                namaste
                Xodman

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