the government plans a 93% population reduction.... environmental policy,
stop drink flouride water, stop drinkingbottles water, get fresh water from fresh blessed mountain sources
realize your connectionwith nature, eachother and the universe!
stop eating government polluted produce, meat and breads! stop eating poisoned food!
Learn to grow your own, work together move into secret locations in nature with love and light and aviod cities and places of cut off or isolation from our earth! work together !
love and light to all of you!
stop drink flouride water, stop drinkingbottles water, get fresh water from fresh blessed mountain sources
realize your connectionwith nature, eachother and the universe!
stop eating government polluted produce, meat and breads! stop eating poisoned food!
Learn to grow your own, work together move into secret locations in nature with love and light and aviod cities and places of cut off or isolation from our earth! work together !
love and light to all of you!
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:41 AMgood thread
bad title
we try
>>>move into secret<<<
keep talking like that
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before they
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 4:12 AMoh, ouch, staticky transmission that...
Q: Why don't Buddhists vacuum in the corners?
A: Because they have no attachments.
Q: What did a Buddhist say to the hot dog vendor?
A: Make me one with everything.
Q: How many Zen buddhists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None, they are the light bulb.
Q: How many Zen buddhists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Three -- one to change it, one to not-change it and one to both change- and not-change it.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 4:15 AMI've been drinking mountain spring water most of my life, not out of plastic bottles either. I've grown and gathered much of my own food, and was an organic small farmer for much of my life, avoiding cities like the plague. So i think this is all excellent advice.
But the government does not plan 93% population reduction. The government has hardly any environmental policy at all.
I'm not at all speaking to you in the rest of this, Katheryn, but to the general ethic and core ideas that i see here and argue with on a regular basis.
I see most of the people here as stuck in some extended teenage rebellion, with a revolt against daddy/government as the most prominent psychic feature.
Daddy/government is not in control. Nobody is in control. All this talk about bravely facing daddy/government from people who can't face themcellves, or the world shaking reality that no authority figure is taking responsibility, and that we are supposed to grow to fill the role ourcellves. Taking responsibility for the mess ourcellves is hard, but absolutely necessary.
Any idiot can play fukumup and break it down. Feels so liberating to blame others too. But you give away your power when you dodge responsibility.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:55 AMWil you may be right about the Govt NOT being in control but has it gotten any better with your contributions? and in your lifetime?
"I see most of the people here as stuck in some extended teenage rebellion, with a revolt against daddy/government as the most prominent psychic feature. "
I'd say its a lot deeper than that. The fact is that the govt has massive control of its population. We are worker bees supporting a system most dont even like !
Do you like it?
Lots a of WAR that is... the general population doesn't really want WAR, simply put, but our voice is often ignored...
100k dead innocent Iraqs....for profiteering and positioning? Did this invasion make sense to you?
Absurd amounts of debt and mismanaged trillions... and YES it is expected to be paid back with the servitude for future generations?
Continued erosion of personal and civil rights?
A bureaucratic monstrosity and corrupted corporate owned institution ( lobbyist anyone)?
A litigious and competition filled culture based on greed?
NO environmental policy.... hardly one at all, thats right!
I remember being 10 years old and thinking...damn the world is f**ked up! I thought war, greed and corruption are so obviously moronic that it'll have to be better when I get older! But nope... its a worse mess than ever. And yeah, I'm disappointed with the state of things because want to leave much a better world for the future generations.
so...
What personal responsibility do YOU take in all this mess Wil?... now that your all grown-up.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:24 PMcould always just try to live the way you can considering. How would you organize the worlds population so eveyone gets on? Organazing might seem controlling but fact is we don't do too well without it
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:33 PM"What personal responsibility do YOU take in all this mess Wil?... now that your all grown-up. "
Well, i ran away to the mountains, not knowing what else to do. Tried the communal thing because i believed in it, then tried to make a living best i could, doing things i've only been marginally suited for, ( my iq being considerably higher than my weight) It's been kinda rough in a lot of places, to be honest. A lot of poverty, and hard work for what most would consider low wages, planting trees and market gardening, but i would not say that i've been a slave to the system or for the system. In retrospect, i realize that my aspergers is bad enough that living a "normal" lifestyle was just something i couldn't have pulled off. I've managed to live well outside the system, trying to make better systems, and been a lot wilder and crazier in this attempt than i care to go into here........anyhow I had a sort of religious experience my 30's , in my third season tree planting, and came to see the village or small rural community as the basic solution for our problems. I envisioned a way of life whereby folks could enjoy a better standard of living than the vast majority at present, without a personal car, with interaction with nature ( which i think is of primary importance) and a place to garden. I still believe in this basic vision, but have been badly bruised up trying to bring it to reality. I think perhaps most people are not ready for that yet. I started a community that purchased 200 acres of nice river bottom land in the heart of an alternative rural neighborhood. We ( a dozen or so families and individuals) put the more sensitive parts of the land along the river and in the woods in a community land trust, and split the rest up as private property, and cooperated in putting in a water system using a very large spring as the source, building a road, and putting in some ponds. It enabled some people to buy land and build who would not have been able to do so any other way, but id call it an overall mixed success at best. People should share more than we do, and not be so damned egotistical, and learn to reason together without egos for the common good, and we just are not there yet, or i have not found people who are there yet yet. I don't live there anymore. My very very bad marriage ended in a very very bad divorce, and i walked away with more or less nothing but experience. Barely getting by now, doing a little landscaping for money, and gardening in return for my rent and utilities.
I feel i have been really ineffective in my efforts to change things. But i have not been a slave to the system. I find mycellf neither proud nor ashamed of what i've done so far. I guess the main responsibility i took was simply drinking spring water, and growing my own food etc like Katheryn was talking about in the first place. For some reason,though, i've always considered the govt a "we" not a "they" affair, never really ceding ownership of a system that should by all rights be by and for all of us. Aspies often have little sayings that we repeat a lot, and in my 20's, when i was a very poor hippy practicing subsistence farming, which i never did get right, i remember saying over and over " they is dead" and would explain at length that there was no such thing as they really, asking people to listen to how the word was used and realize that we have made they a new god, and that both these fictitious entities are dead. Nobody understood wtf i was talking about. I guess that's how i've thought for a long time.
I think my original post was grumpy, and i apologize for that.
Does the invasion make sense to me? Yeah, but not in the way i'm thinking you are thinking i might be thinking... anyway, it makes sense in that american hegemony needed to be destroyed and so do a lot of rigid patriarchial forms in the mideast and these two rotten systems are , i think, in the process of taking each other out. It makes sense in the way that bush and cheney were out for oil and power and out to lunch.
I've hated the stupidity and unfairness of the current social and economic system to the core of my being my whole life. Bush is destroying that system. I see this as happening because the larger organic system that all of this is taking place inside is cellf regulating. I've tried to serve that larger system. -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 5:45 PMHey Wil I appreciate the personal sharing and vision!
I'm not against having Govt in general but I feel it should serve, represent and honor its citizens. We've gone way off course and I think our founding fathers would be in dismay at what has transpired. Personally, in the 4 decades I've been alive there has been a consistent pattern of war mongering and manipulation irregardless of the publics will and desire. I choose to and will continue to choose to speak out against these actions. I'm not in to conspiracy theories (not ruling them out though !) but the system is controlling to the masses and well maybe the masses may need guidance but they don't need oppression. Technology and innovation can change everything if give we it wings, individuals human spirits are unbelievable and we are doing great things everyday too although most of what I appreciate is without the govts help and often in its opposition. I believe in the individuals and small groups to manifest change but as it has been though out history - it isn't going to be easy or pretty !
Stifling consumerism is the NWO and the US is the bully leader spreading the "prosperity"..
In all honesty I admire your chooses and course as I myself often have more questions than answers.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 6:39 PMThe Home Front
Our economic indicators register the use of the fuel that moves a car but not a person walking or biking to work. We keep statistics on the food that people buy but not the food that they grow for themselves. A grandmother canning beans and talking to kids is not valued in our GNP. A grandmother canning beans and talking to kids is a complex of benefits that we haven't valued, perhaps because they are too complex. This is where our culture should be passed on; grandma telling stories while engaged in meaningful work for the family, the kids plugged in to their heritage instead of a tv. This is where our culture has broken down.
The destruction of our communities and families has been an industrial process. When society was based on farmers and merchants the whole family could help in the provision of sustenance. When wage and job replaced farm and shop the focus of enterprise left the home and family and went to work in the factory. Under the pressure of industrialization even farms became more like factories and shops became chains and superstores. Schools took children away from the home environment and too often became education factories. Granny is put in the old folks home and people eat beans from California that were canned in a big factory, if they eat beans at all. Factories have factored and fractured our society to pieces. Consumerism has consumed us. Granny becomes a registered trademark and a picture on the side of an oatmeal cookie package. Prosperity, it turns out, is a whole lot more than jobs.
Most of us use cars now for getting to work, school, shopping, recreation and various other elements of our lives. Because of this, our communities have become dislocated. Neighbors, for the most part, know each other less now, and our friendships are increasingly with people who live at a distance. Ideally our communities should offer work, school, shopping, recreation and other amenities within walking distance. This would save a lot of gas, there would be much less air water and noise pollution , and we would save huge amounts of time and money. Harder to measure but perhaps more important would be the social well being that would result from more people focusing more of their lives in the places where they live.
We have gone in living memory from extended family to nuclear family to one parent family and now some zero parent families. We are like stable and beautifully complex organic molecules being broken down to individual atoms and then unstable elements in the super-collider of our industrial society. Families, neighborhoods and cultures are living beings who we are part of but unconscious of in just the way that we are unconscious of the lives of the millions of living entities which make up our physical bodies. Synergy is the principal that the whole is greater than the sum of parts, and all living systems use this basic law. We have, in many ways, come a part. A healthy neighborhood can take care of children and old people to the great benefit of all concerned. A functioning community looks after its own with the organic surety inherent to all life forms. Life is a local effort.
Communism tried to legislate cooperation from the top down. This is unnatural and it sure didn't work. Cooperation grows upward from the bottom and is naturally understood on family and local levels. Russia, Ukraine and all the rest of them are going through a process of rapid decentralization. When these countries come back it will be from the ground up, community by community. In this country our love of competition has sometimes blinded us to the fact that cooperation plays a much bigger role in our day to day lives. Local cooperation is becoming more important here also, since our national economy has been undermined and our debt load will inevitably lead to a diffusion of real power back to localities as the federal and state levels lose their ability to deal with problems.
The world's population has been shifting towards big cities for hundreds of years but even today small rural villages are home to nearly half of the human population. Many of the new city dwellers can't find work and live in wretched conditions whereas in rural villages, people can at least grow most of their own food. Recent advances in telecommunications mean that physically remote places need not be culturally isolated. The deteriorating conditions in the cities combined with new technologies are pushing and pulling us towards a world in which most people once again live in small rural communities, but this time as part of a global society. This global society will not be a mono-culture. It will be a framework by and for a multicultural humanity. The new global culture will protect individual cultures from the forced amalgamation that has been practiced up to this point.
A return to village life will not mean an return to pre-industrial conditions. A modern village will have the amenities of the suburbs but this will be courtesy of local power sources and efficient design. In the future, small rural villages will combine the best of the ancient and stable social structures with the best of technology for a standard of living that is well above where we are today. People will grow much of their own food, produce much of their own power, help each other to build homes. Our health care system will mostly be made up of caring friends and family who have access to a worldwide computer diagnostic data banks and medicines. Likewise, our schools will be smaller than they are now but with access to planetary information networks. Work will be vitally important and psychologically fulfilling in ways that 9 to 5 jobs often are not, and we will realize the social and economic benefit of grandmas, grandpas, and everyone. People have always lived in basic local cooperative patterns and any other way of life is very recent and experimental. The disjointed and disorganized social patterns that we see around us today are temporary by their very nature. Perhaps it has been necessary for us to break down our social systems in order to re-form them into more harmonious patterns. Love is the gravitational force that binds us together into family, community and planetary unity, and fortunately love is alive and well. We will, in time, pull ourcellves together under its constant good influence.
( I wrote the above essay in the early 90's, and no longer believe as much in families and extended families, as i do in the power of the internet to bring together families of like mind and interest.)
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:35 AMI take full responsibility for the world I've helped co-create.
I also take full responsibility for the solutions to the opportunities we've piled upon ourselves by letting these problems compound since we all were ten.
I remember when I was ten. The Berlin wall "falling", the impending "recetion" which was supposedly bigger than the one that caused the stock market crash that brought on the "Great Depression".
But, this was all propaganda, completely under the control of the ones in position to have premptively done something about it.
All of this boils down to fear mongering and control.
Are you ignorant enough to be afraid of Big Brother taking your life?
Big Brother doesn't want you to die!
Big Brother wants you to be a cog in the machine that drives his fat ass aroud his cush lifestyle.
If you die it matters not to BB.
You are just a number, a momentary blip on the radar.
It takes very little effort on BB's part ot control us because The System was put in place long before any one of us was brought into our bio-mass consciousness computer.
BB is just a pawn in the galctic game anyway.
Only doing as he is told, like so many of us...get a job...get married...have kids...save for retirement...don't let others control you...deversify your investments...wear this new fashion...buy this new thing...take this pill for your (symptom)...make this your answer...etc. ad nauseum.
This life comes down to choices.
We only have 4 and 1/2 years until this supposedly long awaited event.
Why wait for some stupid time frame in the Gregorian calender to be revolutionized?
LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!!!
Not some namby pamby teenager-running-away-from-home revolution...a REAL revolution!
Give up the status quo.
The answer to all of our prayers is liberty or death.
I choose liberty.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:44 PMGovernement is in control, or at least its governance is highly influenced and manipulated by big money interest. It seems to me as though govts current primary purpose is to make a good environment for people with money to make more money.
Without regard for the majority of its citizens, the middle and lower classes. The rift between income, property between the classes and with other nations is staggering to say the least.
Some of us arent living in a mountain commune observing these economic and social realities soley from our multi-media machines. Alot of us are working over at the salt mines. Some of us are trying to improve our situtation and finding life is difficult and the system is stacked against us. Society and business discourage free and rational thinkers. People are manipulated by media and popular cultural beliefs. We dont stand a chance. The marjority of folks are quite comfortable in their established world view and the popular consensus has a hard time dealing with change. And they still believe that our politicians are going to save us!
AS far as a vision for our future, I'm right there with you will, believe it or not. I am all about building sustainable living. I practice sustainability, i have a garden and i ride my bicycle a majority of the time. I traded in my gasoline mower for a push reel type and most of my grass in the yard is on the way out too. Now i dont own my property so most of this is in vain, but i keep on truckin'.
I'm serious about change and i'm doing what i can on my level. I'm here with the rest of us to figure out how to make that change happen on a community and cultural level... Here in this tribe i find myself most optimistic, but changing dogmas is a challenging feat indeed. We establish our truths and we hold on to them dearly. Unwilling to let go of the reality vision that we have constructed all around us.
I think its sad that you want to group people who recognize that their are profound malnevolent influenes on our government in an immaturity bubble. The governement is the authority. The government is who spends our taxes, builds or infastructure, establishes social welfare, raises armed forces, educates our children... and the sad thing is that big corporations and the men who run them are controlling our government, and shapping the world to their liking and their vision. In todays world democracy is a laudable concept.
I dont think this is teenage psychological rebellion as much as its a matter of people establishing a reality view that explains the current state of our world, and then trying to understand what is the core problem.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:53 PMmanifest destiny has its issues.
infected colonies and rapid unfolding...
we were never warriors here in california, mostly gatherers, pinon people. family.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...1916.jpg
true facts.
still not into the revolution. struggle no more means put down your weapons fighters. there is no good fight. everyone is green!
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:16 AMThe government is HIGHLY influenced and manipulated by big money interests. It has been hijacked, again, by robber barons, who have, again, bankrupted the system with their blind greed. This time they've really done it. The credit bubble that they've been feeding off of is about to pop. It's not like we gave them enough rope to hang themselves. They stole the rope.
These malevolent influences have taken over the govt because we let them. Just as if an individual gives in to malevolent influences it is ultimately their own fault, and they have to learn to take control of themcellves. On a larger level, we need to take control of our govt after the ruinous right wing binge ( meth abuse is the closet drug analogy in my brain) that we've been over for most of my lifetime. It has really been extraordinary, but it has led to an extraordinary overextension of right wing power which is fast leading to extraordinary collapse which will then open extraordinary opportunities. That's the way i see it.
The wealth distribution is extremely unfair. People pursue wealth like it is an end in itself. People pursue wealth like it is a competitive sport. So many people seem only intent on the attempt to incite envy in their fellow humans. Because of greed there is need. This is very sad.
I think there is a strong tendency to project a kind of unwarrented omnipotence onto government as both a strange comfort and a convenient excuse. I think ideas of rebellion in the streets are juvenile. This is just a way of acting out fantasies of the good few in the just fight against the all powerful evil power that is the cartoonish psychic foundation of the conspiracy oriented mentality. -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:24 AM"The government is HIGHLY influenced and manipulated by big money interests. It has been hijacked, again, by robber barons, who have, again, bankrupted the system with their blind greed. This time they've really done it. The credit bubble that they've been feeding off of is about to pop. It's not like we gave them enough rope to hang themselves. They stole the rope"
Wil, the own the government, and the gov. pays the cops and the armed forces. They also own the jails, and they are very crowded this days.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:59 AMThe People never had control of the Govt. to begin with.
That is a falsehood the United States has spoon fed to IT'S slave-people from the inception of the "Revolution"
that 'freed' us from British rule.
The same people control the "Government" it's just a under a different name.
The Federal Reserve sells debt to fund its' operations.
Debt and Credit are imaginary.
Every dime one puts in the bank is loaned out 10 fold or greater and interest is charged to the loan upon repayment.
That is how banks work.
Money is as infinite as the universe we live in.
We are no longer under the gold standard.
It only has value beacause "We the People" say so.
If we stop valuing money it becomes no less worthless than it has always been.
We just start seeing it that way.
(Even GOLD is only valuable if we have a use for it.)
That is what happened to Germany in the 40's.
That's why you hear of the women with the wheelbarrels full of money buying bread who left her barrel and the money outside of the store and returned to find only the money.
Someone stole the wheelbarrel because it had more value.
Wealth distribution is an irrelevant argument. The rich get richer because that is what they already know how to do.
The poor stay that way because that is all they choose to know how to do.
This life is about choices.
Just like the sick and starving in Samalia could choose to walk away from it all.
We can choose to live in it, this Capitalist Society if Granduer or not.
Either way, the worst thing that could happen is that we die becuase of the choices we make.
What's so bad about that?
Would you rather die because someone else tells you to?
I love this forum and everyone involved with this very open ended discussion.
PEACE, LOVE, CHOICE
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:20 AMHi Wil,
I enjoy your posts, you seem to be trying to be "fair and balance" : )
But since we had had different experiences in life our truths do differ in some things, but thats OK i reason. We are not here to agree on all.
You say that "Daddy/government is not in control. Nobody is in control", let me ask you this:
How often do you travel across the USA ?
How often do you travel across USA borders ?
Do you live in a Big City ?
How much Police presence you see in your town ?
> Any idiot can play fukumup and break it down. Feels so liberating to blame others too.
Wil, political repression and economic downpresure are realities for many.
Is there anyone in your family in jail for smoking ganja ?
I know you know about Cointelpro and many much more similar cases of world domination and political manipulation.
So now you tell us that "It's time to grow up" ?
Here in California, if you take water from the ground (unless is a few gallons you take with a jug) you have to pay for it. Same with almost anything else.
Do you pay any taxes at all ? (you dont have to answer this one : )
Yes we all need to grow, but that is always happening.
I wish i could take you for a ride in the bay area, so you can see the cops and the stuff they have inside. Fuck with one, and come back and tell me, who is in control. (hint the gangs have weapons too, but they can really compete with them, bc if the police can not hold the attack, they just call the national guard. That easy.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:37 PM> Thank you English Major Ozai
English (as well as spanish, my first language) happens to be a lang. imposed by the colonial powers in the land i was born, never learned to write English well, never will (but i bet that i cant write it better than you can write in Spanish) . Sorry if you feel im fucking up your culture, yours already fuck up mine. -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:49 PM"I choose liberty." I agree with that and I would rather sacrifice my own life than be controlled by anyone or anything.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:03 PMdamn, and it is friday
but i run/ran into this:
>>>Common sense and rational thinking ....over greed and control ? <<<<
can there will there ever be...
such clarity? oh, but you do not see
fr: 1001am
nobody has ever challenged as to what i have said/posted
the evil
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the enemy
and of ALL LIFE
maybe i have not liked all of his posts
but this one holds more than truth
it is what must be done...
next
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:17 PMfr:1239pm
>>>if you feel im fucking up your culture, yours already fuck up mine.<<<
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:30 PMi got paypal
and i drink cheap beer
how many you buyin'?
one
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:39 PMsorry for the less smart
children were not born stupid
only made
rational thinking and reasoning will
NEVER OVERCOME THE evil and ENEMY:
greed and control
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:45 PMYou are right, Ozai, that i don't get out much. I am allegric to cities, and hardly ever go to one. I don't see how ya'll can stand it. Nobody in my family is in jail for growing ganja, though my mom was busted for it in the late 70's and my brother year before last.
Is it really illegal in CA to have a well without paying for the water? That's bad.
Don't fuck with cops. I think it's a lot better karma to be nice to them nomatter your views on the emergence of police state etc.
I've said here before, that i would have absolutely no idea how to survive in the city. None. It is easy for me to make it here with very little money.
The state can have lots of cops and a bloated military ( and it does!) but , imo, it can't control the flow of events to anything like the extent that i see a lot of people believe. I think factions and governments have tried hard at world domination, but do not have foresight to pull it off, and also are not one coherent "they" as many imagine, but actually a lot of competing entities.
There is this huge bad meme of the government, and the illuminatae, and the masons, and bad aliens all in cahoots and all in total control using chemtrails and hidden programming to control a poor oppressed population who is helpless and powerless in confronting such forces. I think that is not true, not even close to true, and indicative of a deep collective mental illness more than an serious paradigm. -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:02 PM""There is this huge bad meme of the government, and the illuminatae, and the masons, and bad aliens all in cahoots and all in total control using chemtrails and hidden programming to control a poor oppressed population who is helpless and powerless in confronting such forces. I think that is not true, not even close to true, and indicative of a deep collective mental illness more than an serious paradigm. ""
The have limited control on us and cant technically controll our minds.. But there is a great deal of programming and influence to manipulate the people of this planet. They dont have to force us to do what is in their best interest, because they make us believe their best interest are what we truely want.
TO make a difference we need to expose their manipulative methods and let ourselves become educated. What good is a military or police state if the soldiers have no loyalty to their masters?
Ultimately we are the ones who create the world we live in, but so many are creating a world vision unconciously as suggested and imposed by a minority elite class.
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the
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:27 AMPopulation reduction should be peaceful, voluntary, and universal.
The plan to solving the world's problems is simple.
All you need to know is right here:
skil.org
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Re: true facts in my brain...
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:01 AMCommon sense and rational thinking ....over greed and control ?
Sounds like another pipe dream Hoopes! I really wish it were that simple...
Cataclysmic upheaval, nuclear genocide or a full economic collapse may be the only true catalyst to long term changes in our lifetime...
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