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In Cancun, Mexico for January 2011:
www.greatmystery.org/events/...012.html
(Aren't they misspelling "profits.")
www.greatmystery.org/events/...012.html
(Aren't they misspelling "profits.")
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Wed, November 4, 2009 - 5:26 PM2012 - the point at which they stop getting tipped ?
It'll be curious how they plan to cash in post 2012. If Arguelles had the forsight, he'd have gone for 2033.
this is a new age bohemian grove, so's they can sort it out and push the boundaries of consciousness even further to never-ending popping point that is the endless hole digging rabbit eternally popping currants into the mouths of those who follow too closely. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 10:58 PM> eternally popping currants into the mouths of those who follow too closely<
wonderful use of imagery yer a poet Chontler whatever you meant.
but i have a feeling i came across this site just a few days ago.. if it mentions the Indian physicist from What The Bleep then it's the right one.. but i got a funny feeling about it :/ and i vaguely remember it being a highly expensive affair.. and so exclusive
but i'll forgive them if they film the entire event and release it on DVD or YouTube i spose?
funny how silly little things can prevent people from absorbing what just might be vital information huh
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 5:52 PM“For millennia, mankind had wandered in the darkness…but now, as had been prophesied, there was a change coming. After hurtling blindly through history, mankind has reached a crossroads. This moment had been predicted long ago, prophesied by the ancient texts, by the primeval calendars, and even by the stars themselves. The date was specific, its arrival imminent. It would be preceded by a brilliant explosion of knowledge…a flash of clarity to illuminate the darkness and give mankind a final chance to veer away from the abyss and take the path of wisdom.”
—Dan Brown, The Lost Symbol
www.greatmystery.org/events/...012.html
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 5:54 PM2012 Tipping Point - The Philosophy
www.greatmystery.org/events/ca...culty.html
The purpose of the Maya coming to this planet was very specific: to leave behind a definite set of clues and information about the nature and purpose of our planet at this particular time in the solar system and in the galactic field.
—Jose Arguelles
We believe it is now possible to achieve a society where people would be able to live longer, healthier, and more meaningful productive lives. In such a society, the measure of success would be based upon the fulfillment of one’s individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of wealth, property, and power. Although many of the concepts presented here may appear as unattainable goals, all of the ideas are based upon known scientific principles.
—Jacque Fresco
The purpose of this conference is to explore a radically different, more optimistic interpretation of the Mayan prophecy – as referring to the end of the world as we have known it: a world dominated by unbridled violence and insatiable greed, egotistic hierarchy of values, corrupted institutions and corporations, and irreconcilable conflicts between organized religions. Instead of predicting a physical destruction of the material world, the Mayan prophecy might refer to death and rebirth and a mass inner transformation of humanity.
—Stanislav Grof
I do see a new birth of human consciousness underway. And when these things happen they can sometimes happen very fast. So I cannot rule out at all the possibility that all of us are going to be looking at the mystery and meaning of life in a very different way very soon and that date 21st. of December 2012 sticks in my mind as one that is really worth consideration.
—Graham Hancock
There is a revolution underway in how we understand ancient Maya metaphysics, astronomy, and other traditions related to 2012. 2012 is about transformation and renewal on a global scale.
—John Major Jenkins
Congratulations—you are among a select Group of souls who won the lottery to be here, on this planet, at this time! The prize not only ensures you a front row seat but also the unique opportunity to co-create the future of the human race.
—Christine Page
As we complete this apocalyptic passage, we will conceive ourselves, increasingly, as fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness and sentient aspects of a planetary ecology—the Gaian mind—that is continually changed by our actions, and even our thoughts.
—Daniel Pinchbeck
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 7:03 PM>>As we complete this apocalyptic passage, we will conceive ourselves, increasingly, as fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness and sentient aspects of a planetary ecology—the Gaian mind—that is continually changed by our actions, and even our thoughts.
—Daniel Pinchbeck
right on Daniel! how could anyone have a problem with this type of thinking? it's a positive thing....that is, if you're living positively i guess.....he sure does seem to push some people's buttons -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 7:48 PMWhy people dig this meaningless bullshit is beyond me. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 8:20 PMExactly! What does it mean??? Empty words! -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:55 PMBTW, I've been to conferences all through the '80s and the 90s with these folks,here and abroad; that's probably why I'm no longer interested. When you get the message...you know?
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:49 AM"Why people dig this meaningless bullshit is beyond me."
translates as: "This is meaningless bs to me because it's beyond me."
You're entitled to feel smug as you condescend from your ivory tower, that's what it's for.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 2:54 PMIt starts with an assertion: that we ARE passing through an apocalyptic passage (that in itself is certainly unlikely to find universal agreement).
It moves on to a further assertion, but not an assertion about how things really are, but rather how we will, increasingly, CONCEIVE of ourselves (I also have little doubt that there are any number of competing theories of how we might conceive of ourselves)
And then what he describes that our conceptions will be is either meaningless, unnecessarily esoteric (highlight the lack of necessity rather than glorify the esoteric), or frankly uninteresting.
If he simply means that we recognize our place in the scales of natural order ('fractal expressions') and will become more aware of how we impact and are impacted by our environment ('sentient aspects of a planetary ecology...change by our actions...'), then that is a fairly obvious and uninteresting statement. It certainly, at least, doesn't stand out as a particularly captivating statement. The part about the 'unified field of consciousness' still doesn't make sense to me, even after years of hearing about this type of thought. What is a unified field of consciousness? And why would it be significant that we would increasingly conceive ourselves as fractal expressions of it?
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:08 PM>As we complete this apocalyptic passage, we will conceive ourselves, increasingly, as fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness and sentient aspects of a planetary ecology—the Gaian mind—that is continually changed by our actions, and even our thoughts.<
well fine i'll give my 2 cents then. this extract is rife with contradictions to start with -- this feature will now be disabled pending genuine and heartfelt reciprocity initiation :(
anyway.. i think everybody will come to realise that in the grand scheme of things our lives are so puny and measly as to almost count as insignificant, but really gifts of inconceivable (well, to those who haven't yet realised the totality of this here situation) proportions. now give me my freakin million dollars already!!!@#!@#$ -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:18 PMaw i feel bad.. just cos it's rife with contradiction doesn't mean there's some sound stuff in there!! it's just wording is such a tricky thing.. and believe you me i have been known to stretch the truth in assignments (by way of generalising and then obstructing/obscuring details using vague or flowerly language) but i've grown out of that already!! it's about integrity. and genuine simplicity (rather than short cuts, or fluffing somthing up you know like making a mountain out of a mole hill). but fuck it that doesn't appeal to everyone let alone apply to them so whatever do what thou wilt. -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:36 PMok you know what forget it i retract everything i'm just an asshole i'm sorry everybody and David Pinchbeck
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 12:41 AMThese 2012 'products' and 'prophits' deserve a thread of their own imo... -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 3:36 AMit's only meaningless to you because you don't know what it means! that doesn't mean that it doesn't mean anything......makes sense to an awful lot of people......H, i keep telling you.....go take some mushrooms.........when was the last time? if ever? then it ~may~ start making sense
in the meantime, could you not be at least open to the idea that there may be something to it All that you just don't understand yet? hmm....let's try Nassim Haramein........he's very scientific.......geez.. there's only just so many ways to put it......... -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 2:39 PMI don't think you need to eat mushrooms to understand that comment of Pinchbeck's (if it is indeed meaningful--I must admit I find very little significant content in it). You need a translator. I'd love to hear a coherent translation from Pinchbeckian into English that turns this into a meaningful statement that 'nobody would have a problem with'. And, frankly, Nassim Haramein is hardly VERY scientific--indeed he is not very scientific at all, in fact (often by his own admission--he is NOT a scientist and appears to have very little actual understanding of the science that he does discuss--also often by his own admission).
A note on being open-minded...from Terence McKenna: "You don't want to become so open-minded that the wind can whistle between your ears." -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:16 PM"Science" as it is "practiced" .........is what is Really "not very scientific".........
I've hung out with science and scientists from an early age, and Know all the Tricks of Mind that are Enforced-as-Given-Truth. If you "think" science has cornered methodisms that are "closest possible to getting at the Truth"..... Think Again. Think, ....In Fact, ..........rather than in "faction".
I have little respect remaining for the Academic Approach, Because it is a Proven Failure , and it ENCOURAGES Decrepit and Ossified Mental Regimes of Orthodoxy. Those whom the academic establishment has discouraged from having Confidence in their own intelligence (ever been to school?) may lack the self-confidence to question "the Establishment of Intelligence" .......... but I've been there, Done That, (been both badly treated, And elevated as a genius, with high marks) and am AMAZED at the Sheer Stupidity Demonstrated by the contempt such intellectuals, who are Loyal to That Establishment, Have for most Anything that Falls Outside it's Strict Religious-Memery guised as "Authoritative Knowledge" Pull-Ease!! (pull ease-of-awakening out of the ditch it has been buried in)
Can you "Hold a Vibe" even in the face of stony edifices of "knowledge-systematically-corrupted-to-serve-power-base-programs?"
If the terminologies stray from "Holy Officialdom" do you get to sneer confidently as you bend the knee at the altar of intellectualism opposed-to-Alternative Frameworks of Conceptualization? ....................
.... not Here, not without getting it BACK AT what you are representing...... as the sins of science against all life & sensibilities are a stench repeatedly covered-over .............. but not "put upon the dog" by Every Nose-that-Knows. -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:51 PMNassim Haramein has a Grasp of Reality & How it Works that goes Way beyond the general Failure that IS Modern Science. As a Geometrician, I can Vouch for his work, and its insightful relevances. Ever hear of Zometool? I know the people who Developed it. We live in a 3-D Reality, and Much theoretical science is developed by mathematicians who are less-than-fully fluent in the complex dynamics of Geometry, as it Functions in the 3rd dimension, and Translates into higher dimensions...... (not to mention lower dimensions) Nassim Haramein has an Excellent Understanding of Energetic Structure, something generally not even much of a Topic on the "science" menu. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 8:35 PMzometool is excellent! aya has one and i played with it in his room of starwheels!! i want one dear santa!! yes, i do!!
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:53 AMyes, I am friends with Aya.
btw....... I'm not Really "Santa", although some will occasion to view me as 'dear' (generally due to the dear difficulty of what energies I may Involve into the Presence tense)
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:24 PM"I don't think you need to eat mushrooms to understand that comment of Pinchbeck's....."
True that. It is not necessary to do any kind of hallucinogens to understand - expand the mind. I myself do not indulge in external drugs to "see", yet I understand. My endocrine system is already open wide without. hehe..... and I dream wildly enough during my sleeping hours that I don't need to trip while I'm awake. haha.... seriously. Too many drugs, and I don't care what they are, interfere with the harmonic structure of your glandular functions.
" "You don't want to become so open-minded that the wind can whistle between your ears.""
True that again. haha...
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:56 AMOooh yeay!... I think I'll be there for that conference. It will be awesome to hang with some kind beautiful people.
Thanks for the link Hoopes. :-)
haha.... Sometimes our first instinct is to put down the things we don't know about.... that is the nature of limitation. But really.... who can ever say "for sure"?
Take Junk DNA for instance. Scientists don't know what to make of it, so they tuck it away with some shallow explanation, while others are seriously working toward finding out the truth. www.fractal.org/Life-Scien...Gariaev.htm
HAIL to the misfits and the cast aways!!! This is where you will find true genii-us.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 2:32 PM>>"Why people dig this meaningless bullshit is beyond me."
translates as: "This is meaningless bs to me because it's beyond me." <<<
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:17 PMOkay. If you understand the meaning, please explain just ONE of the following in a form that the rest of us can comprehend:
1) fractal expressions
2) a unified field of consciousness
3) fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness
4) sentient aspects
5) sentient aspects of a planetary ecology
6) planetary ecology
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:31 PM"..... in a form that the rest of us can comprehend:"
What do you mean by the "rest" of us, lol, speak for yourself.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:11 PMLana, please explain what YOU understand the phrase "fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness" to mean.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:14 PMIf you don't want to tackle that one, I'll settle for "sentient aspects of a planetary ecology." -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:06 PMsentience, resonant feedback loops, balance-of-nature...... are the likes of these just mythologies manufactured by tribal minds to pass the nights around the electronic and chemical campfires? I was friends with an Ecology Professor in the late 60s, but he taught at Boulder, so we can assume that ....."by association".... ecology is another Lifeless aspect of Rationalistic Edu-CULTure which we need to Protect from the liberal-think Element of society (Boulder, CO is somewhat synonymous with fanaticism to more well-heeled academic society)
.......but Lana will surely be back in "the Game" at any moment...... so " Let's watch! "
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:40 PMShe can Explain, I can Explain, .......... what IS Uncertain is whether YOU are prepared to Comprehend. In light of That, it would be Helpful to know if you Accept the Non-Locality of Consciousness, OUTSIDE of Neural networks (or are even open-minded to That possibility, non-localized awarenesses being that which many of us have Experienced Extensively) Phenomenon such as Galaxies don't just "happen", and Science tells us that although they 'acknowledge' that galaxies exist, they can't REALLY explain "how" .......... all those 'scientific' things we were taught are useless, irrelevant....... except we are supposed to play along with theories like "dark matter" to Explain the FACT that Physics is WRONG & Stumped at how the Perimeter of the Galaxy SPINS way, way faster than is "Possible".
Fractals? ...... of Course you Know All about That, right? (yet are Unable to extrapolate into conceptualization non-physicalized or semi-physical realities? Connect-the-Dots)
Stiff, cadenced thought-proceduralisms are "celebrated" in some circles (or should I say 'squares') ......Yet, not so ..... Universally.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:04 PMOh, yeah, Leslie! That makes it all as clear as mud! -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:08 PMOh Yeah, WillbeetHippyRaver, your comment indicates a Certain Lack of Grasp of the subtle, hence the mud you've 'of-a-sudden' come to realize all about your sentience. -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:34 PMYou confuse "subtle" with gullible, and neither you nor Lana with her supposed "answer" to Hoopes' questioning request to explain these things "in a form that the rest of us can comprehend" just snidely answered, "What do you mean by the 'rest' of us, lol, speak for yourself."
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:48 PMYour Sheer Studied-Refusal & (in factice) Inability to even Begin to Comprehend much of Anything Relevant to the Whole subject of 2012 and Spirituality IS Symptomatic of Everything you Attempt to Pathetically Place Upon Me...... and YET you Expect US to Pander to Your Pathologically WILLful witlessness.
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 7:35 AMLife is -alway- an unveiling. What is see too much of here is knee-jerk lock-step agreement about assumptions of what that is.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:57 PMHint:
If you want to sit in My Classroom, (Year 2012 as something More than an apocalypticly-spiced-up continuation of popular 'reality') you Either "Keep Up", or expect to get FLAMED Back (if you screw with my efforts to sincerely provide Useful communications) .... because that's about ALL you seem Capable of understanding, there "Gullible-by-association-with-popular-mentalities". -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:20 PMn there's always 2 interpretations of apocalypse as far as i know: unveiling and the end (most of my life i thought it just meant 'the end') -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:29 PMIt seems that Unveiling is what is happening, for those of us who are attentive enough to even notice..... and those who aren't may be (frequently holds true) on a dull-minded Death-Trip.......... seeking an 'entertaining' end to things (or more of the same as we now have.... an Extended Unsustainability), rather than venturing to Envision a New Continuum of Enabled Bliss (did anyone Else Notice how Much potential blissfulness is Currently BLOCKED and chained & locked-up?) -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:42 PMYES!!!!!!!! i was praying last night (am i supposed to keep this a private affair oh well whatever) and acknowledged that i am aware of the potential of my love for 'God' asking for time and understanding for everybody to experience immersion and unity ZZZzzzzzzzz...... :D -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:01 PMI'm like Totally in favor of that possibility-eventuality, Cali............
....... and there are many who will Struggle Against That with a Bitter Resolve, with all their might unto the last breath, and with the focused Intent to Deprive You & the likes of us of the Very Spirit of that.... if we but indulge their extremely entrenched negativities and efforts.
... just so you Understand why a little "skillful" use of negativity in the face of that sort of thing might be "just the thing" to penetrate the deafness, blindness, sense of isolation & aloneness that Afflicts so many of the Orthodoxy Hordes of Rationalized Madness-as-Normalcy that control this here world (at least superficially control it).
dya theenque?
immersion & unity? count me in (join me in the hottub at midnight)
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 11:56 AMLeslie...I don't "want to sit in your classroom". I'd rather have a genuine conversation. You know, a back and forth rather than two one-way arguments. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:49 PMDon't call a nega-contrivance an attempt at conversation and expect me to fall in line with that. I can contrive-back, and will do so until we Get Past the Programmed-Posturements .
If I'M going to communicate, I Intend to Actually Communicate on a Broad Bandwidth of Consciousness, rather than into the Intellectual-Rationally Bound-up Systems that are Frequently UPheld, in an obscene habitual manner taught in School classrooms, TV shows, and other institutions of Propaganda. IT"S OVER, All That.......... a corpse, DOA fall of 2009 ......... quit beating that cadaver, it won't Carry you Any Further.
........yet the show goes on, .....I know....... and my nose Knows......
Pinchbeck FRAMES with Very big strokes, ......... semi-profound, yet with only Vague definition. That's what prophet-type persons reach for, in lieu of Explicit Detail! You Want an Explanation?,........... First you have to show that you can even GRASP the General Paradigm being waved at with a stick ..........(.& with a wild shamanic release of lifetimes of pent-up frustration). Pinchbeck is as much Art as Substance, but as literary-prophetic art Goes, it is substantive and of consequence until a clearer vision is brought forth..
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:06 PMWhat's "wrong" with science-as-savior?
Literally, I catch myself (still) feeling "EXcitement" over technologies-circumstances at work in the world that, upon second look, are Horrendous!!!! We've All been Programmed to "be in Awe" of technosci-chievements FOISted upon Low-tech common-humanity.
hint: ......if you find yourself reflexively rejoicing at the Subjugation and murder of others whom you've been told are associates of "the enemy" ............. best Keep an eye on where That is "coming from"........ (the shadow-self is a Factor which has been Manipulated by those in Power to keep us emotionally deranged & Complicitly passive about the Dominant structures-of-Control, DesPite out best & Highest Intentions...... and I see the shadow-selves of a number of us rearing up Here, in this tribe, Inspiring me to Defend this Space from its thoughtless reflexivities) -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:29 PMnevermind.
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:30 PMLeslie .,... with all due respect ... (i mean no insult) you have great talent to be a "science fiction writer" (which could imply a-head-of-science) .... that could be more profitable than writing here ... somehow your writings remind me of Lobsang Rampa ; )
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 11:52 AMPlease sir! Please sir! Questions questions...
Which science doesn't explain how galaxies might exist. Which science is stumped at the galaxy spinning faster than possible.
What's wrong with being stumped. Are you creating these statements to make "science" look bad and your yet to be defined proposal more attractive, despite all these prophets doing exactly the same (providing endless suppositions, basing "science" on the statements of something someone read about once, or some old definition that no-one uses anymore in a kind of "scientists once told us the world was flat, so we can't trust science anymore". do any of the prophets propose to answer these astronomical conundrums any better.
can you actually spend a minute or 2 to provide a link about the galaxy spinning faster than possible - just so we can see whether that is the accepted belief by the whole field of astronomy - that it isn't possible - or by just someone who said it somewhere once but I can't quite remember. Cuz it was believed once that neutron stars could only spin so fast, but then, lo and behold, they goes and finds one that spins way faster than that, so it becomes possible. idiots.
watch in wonder as I provide a link... www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMPAD..._index_0.html
as for "fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness and sentient aspects of a planetary ecology", here's a bunch, courtesy of science: www.wired.com/wiredscienc...-space/all/1 -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:31 PMThe "science of the Establishment" Fails, (in important ways), yet expects our reSpect, and makes of the world its testing ground for inappropriate technologies, and bright, shiny weaponized technologies...... celebrated by the media.
Mocking me Earns you That back. I don't play when playtime has been methodically thrown away..
The Context of Modern Science & Culture is Structurally FAKE. We can Salvage Useful information & technologies, but Do So at your own Risk, and don't expect me to be IMpressed with what So Many are Desperately Enamored.... to the point of seeking opportunities to call any departures from "That" by a system of demeaning rhetoric i.e. "gullible, nutjob, NewAge fanatical".
For all the failings & shortcomings of the mess of NewAge-ish thinking going on........... it is breaking ground and ReThinking all those ways of Fondly-held "intelligence" ....that I am, frankly, Nauseated with from a Lifetime(s) of Dealing with the BS that it Pushes, from every cultural orifice ..... infecting even much of the counter-cultural efforts with its CONTRIVANCES.
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:47 PMPlease sir, more questions...
which one of any questions have you answered yet?
why do you sometimes capitalize letters?
do you ever gaze at the night sky in wonder at why you don't actually give real classes in 3d space at such conferences and instead just play airhead hockey here?
what would have been a suitable response from kevin or anyone here that would show they meet you high standards and thus reconnect your "I can continue" chakra to the neurons that control the response to your waggly fingerbobs.
where is any link to the galaxy spins faster than possible just so's I know you weren't just playing some kind of red herring type trick.
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:11 PMI don't know anything about the galaxy spinning faster, but as i understand it, the edges are all tucked in nice and tidy and spinning at the same rate as the center, and we don't know why this is so as with current physics and if gravity is the force holding it together , then the edges should trail. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:24 PMmaybe that's what lez meant to say. I look forward to the day someone can respond in the only acceptable way he will allow so we can witness the astronomical revelation he will lay out on this here forum and thus hail him the true genius he insists he is. I really do
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 3:11 PMwhy do you follow the rules when they are a crippling restraint? what is Sacred about the linear question-answer format?
I'm expected to string together answers in a point-by-point linear progression into what? having done so previously like a dutiful game player has frequently left me with.... nothing, no collective Yield of progression towards the linearly-based development of understanding that might be desirable. And, because the 'answers' are open-ended and Non-Linear..... it is a clearer path to simply BUILD from what I Can, what I directly have to work with. I Am a Structuralist, and the structures we are fiddling with here are generally oppressively Square.... although square sometimes IS appropriate.... generally less than about 1/2 the time though.
I Rather live "in the moment' (except where long-term visioning is required) and am Here to learn & Share, but I have No inclination to "Keep Track" of source data material when it is So Easily findable,..... and anyone LOOKing would Benefit from Finding it for themselves..... sci-fi is duller than truth, almost a "watered down" version of the Awesomeness of the General Scope of Truth..... Plus there's people here who are totally "In Touch" with the Sources to which I may refer. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 3:58 PMI guess I just don't understand how an adamant refusal to answer people's questions to you is consonant with your stated goal of being here to learn and share.
I don't think anybody is talking about "following rules". Although, I would suggest that rules are not ONLY crippling restraints. Rules CAN BE crippling restraints, but they can also provide essentially the only bases for shared communication (among many other beneficial fruits). For my part, when I am confused by something someone else says I try to clarify by asking them questions. If that person decides for whatever reason that they don't want to answer questions to clarify what they are attempting to communicate, then I presume that they are neither interested in learning nor sharing (at least at that point in time). -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:46 PMExactly what are you talking about when you alledge "an adamant refusal to answer people's questions" ? If I don't Respond directly to an Interrogation, it's usually for a good reason (hostility embedded, irrelevance, missing-the-essential-point, incorrect approach to a subject)
What is Your issue that you need me to answer for you? Why do you require a rationalistic framework? What about the sky is purely rational?
Rules are IMPlicit in how one Approaches interactions and information. The world is Insane with rules, Choked with regulative presumption. What do you do, what Will those who are comfortable only with Pretense and Unable to Perceive Essence......... what becomes of them when this repressive framework is All swept away? I Offer valuable things Freely, and they are usually ignored, then, when a Demand comes for similar such, I'm expected to Deliver on Cue? Why suffer that, when I can retain Dignity and Freedom? -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 5:29 PM
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:59 AMWell, i'll give it a shot.
1) fractal expressions
Continued expression of a seeded pattern
2) a unified field of consciousness
Some sort of big wifi system of consciousness ( i talk about this a lot, and it certainly seems to me like something like this is in operation, though i have absolutely no physical evidence or scientific rationalization of such)
3) fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness
Well i suppose that would be patterns that are broadcast by this big hypothetical wifi
4) sentient aspects
Those aspects having consciousness....
5) sentient aspects of a planetary ecology
That would be us....or maybe should be us.
6) planetary ecology
The natural systems governing the operation of the planet.
7) a planetary ecology... that is continually changed by... our thoughts.
This i think is an open possibility, that our concerted thought could be a powerful influence on planetary ecological systems. Perhaps that is one of the functions that we are designed for and growing into. Of course i have no proof at all, and think that is what we do experiments for and that is why we pay attention and should keep an open mind. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:16 PMwil,
thanks for actually trying to translate....that's more than any of the other people who claim to like the quotation seemed able to accomplish. However, I still feel that (aside from the still enigmatic consciousness wi-fi system) this still seems to be a fairly unremarkable statement from Pinchbeck. Of course we are continued expressions of a 'seeded' pattern with (at least apparent) consciousness whose thoughts and actions have continuously and will continue to affect the planetary ecology.
I'm still confused about what is so amazing about this statement....and am still unconvinved about the "apocalyptic passage" through which we will increasingly conceive of ourselves in this fashion. An apocalyptic passage may be on humanity's horizon, but it certainly doesn't appear likely in the next 3 years and requires no trumped-up Mayan prophecies or pseudoscientific assertions. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:28 PMOh i did not mean to imply that i think its a remarkable statement. I think it is mostly gobbldegook designed as a commercial hook. -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:59 PMit seems more to be a psychedelic statement. the ability to connect a bunch of flowing dots into an amorphous attempt of reason seems an attractive explanation to those inclined to non straight focus. but it's little more than a poetic way of saying "wow, we're all connected, man".
I reckon because he's a bit of a (pseudo) intellectual type, like so many 2012 prophets, that the wobbly minded like to hide behind them when scrutiny comes from anyone who like to be more analytical. some kind of appeal to authority.
If vague prophecies and stuff not having to make too much sense are your cup of tea, then that's great. If someone says, hey I can make quantum x-dimensional physics really easy for even you to understand, I hold up a red flag. they can't. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:23 PM"it seems more to be a psychedelic statement. the ability to connect a bunch of flowing dots into an amorphous attempt of reason seems an attractive explanation to those inclined to non straight focus. but it's little more than a poetic way of saying "wow, we're all connected, man".
I love this explanation...
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:36 PM<<it seems more to be a psychedelic statement. the ability to connect a bunch of flowing dots into an amorphous attempt of reason seems an attractive explanation to those inclined to non straight focus. but it's little more than a poetic way of saying "wow, we're all connected, man". >.
ABsolutely! I get in touch with those entities, memes, concepts, etc., many of the time I've been psychedelicized ranging from traditional medicines in traditional sites to contemporary synthesized ones at mountaintop ANDCs (all night dance celebrations). But I have come to not confuse that separate reality or other way of knowing with everyday consciousness--or want to! I used to have many friends who did, and some of them still do, and some of them are still around....
--Old fogy rant # 420
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:48 PM<<Some sort of big wifi system of consciousness ( i talk about this a lot, and it certainly seems to me like something like this is in operation, though i have absolutely no physical evidence or scientific rationalization of such) >>
the only "thing" that makes us "feel"separate from the rest of the world is our "own mind" ...bc it has been programed to think that way from childhood ... you are you ... me is me .... mine ! ... ego ... the I within the I ... we all know ourselves as "I" first ... later we get a name, sometimes more than one as time goes by .. when we are born we fall into a "system" created by the ones before us (no matter where we born) ... that system in many cases is one of indoctrination... one that compensates the ones that follow the rules (set by someone else) and that pushes away the ones that dont conform to their rules ...
.... at the very small scale (that the naked eye cant see) this sense of separation is very hard to define .... according to how we "see things" we put toghether or separate (like nations and mariages) ... is a mental agreements we make (or choose to accept) the one that says here starts Mexico, before that line is the USA. Is it mental concepts the one that define race ....
the universe only "exists" (to each one of us) bc we have a mind/senses to "see it" ... no mind, no senses, then is just "nada" ... from our minds point of view ... just the void
<<Well i suppose that would be patterns that are broadcast by this big hypothetical wifi >>
all the time .... however some can transmit/receive with more power/sensitivity thatn others .... just like radios or TV's ... and now computers, we all radiate energy fields that variate, according to what goes on in our mind .... every electron that moves creates a magnetif field .... other than the void ... all mater is made of sub atomic particles always moving, we all have fields of energy ... but none like a radio or TV transmitter that runs a few KiloWats .... (400 Wats @ 120 is about 3.3 amps) ... just with 10 milli amps, the heart starts to flake ... our magnetic fiels are much weaker than a radio station ... harder to measure
the last page has not been written yet .... there is still much to be learned
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 8:46 PMa unified field of consciousness
Some sort of big wifi system of consciousness ( i talk about this a lot, and it certainly seems to me like something like this is in operation, though i have absolutely no physical evidence or scientific rationalization of such)
i won't mention mycology and the grid then...
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:11 PMHoopes. If a mathematical expression is an expression of mathematics then what is a fractal expression?.... An expression of something fractal. In geometry we already know what a fractal is and can use the idea when explaining quantum physics dealing with multiple dimensions and how they relate to each other.
"A fractal is "a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole,"[1] a property called self-similarity. Roots of mathematical interest in fractals can be traced back to the late 19th Century; however, the term "fractal" was coined by Benoît Mandelbrot in 1975 and was derived from the Latin fractus meaning "broken" or "fractured." A mathematical fractal is based on an equation that undergoes iteration, a form of feedback based on recursion" - wikipedia
So we have an expression of self similarity mathematically speaking. In all honesty each phrase really says the same thing or is speaking about the same thing as far as I can tell just from a different perspective. So for instance an expression of self similarity is an attempt to define the unified field of consciousness but alas its just outside of our defining capabilities and I must admit that it can seem a bit unnerving for some that are used to things as being definable. Its like its existence escapes the capabilities of the mind/brain system. -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:27 PMbut, if a "unified field of consciousness" lies outside of our abilities to define, then what is the point of using words that will confuse people. A unified field of consciousness sounds like a very specific notion. 'Unified', 'Field', and 'Consciousness' all imply certain ranges of meaning. Unified fields are certainly not ill-defined within physics. Why use this term well-defined term if it doesn't imply something similar? It just causes confusion. But, if it does imply something similar, then it should not be THAT indefinable. Frankly, it seems to me that there is a tendency toward using cutting-edge terminology from science (especially physics) in such a way that one's ideas SOUND scientific, but in actuality are devoid of content.
Perhaps, rather than asking to define terms, I would ask someone to offer a suggestion as to what the import of Pinchbeck's statement might be...what is important about it? Why should it be considered valuable? -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:42 PM<< I would ask someone to offer a suggestion as to what the import of Pinchbeck's statement might be...what is important about it? Why should it be considered valuable? >>>
i am not into Pinchbeck's visions .... but t i reason is important bc he "is" there, same as you ... .
.. there seem to be many pieces to this puzzle .. all spreaded out inside many minds .... you have some .. he has some ..
i see it like building a big puzzle (with a 100,000 small pieces !) with friends ... one finds a piece ... someone else finds something else ... we all check if it fits or not .... some insist on pushing the parts to fit ... others just expect them to fall with no effort ... the balance is in the middle line ... we sometimes do have to push a lil to fit in ... -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 8:52 PMI hope I'm not the only one to see the delicious irony in the source of this pinchbeck wisdom.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictio...nchbeck
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 9:00 PMSince no one is taking a courage to answer Hoopes' questions, here is my take;
1) fractal expressions
Punched in the face a dozen times with a hammer (ooops, that's fractured expression, but close enough)
2) a unified field of consciousness
Noosphere? Nowhere?
3) fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness
A near death experience after a street fight involving severe facial injuries
4) sentient aspects
Something that (c)rap musicians, stockbrokers, British soccer fans and politicians will never comprehend
5) sentient aspects of a planetary ecology
As above expanded to geriatric specialists too
6) planetary ecology
A fine balance between localized urology, global scatology and deviant pathology
7) a planetary ecology... that is continually changed by... our thoughts.
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 9:06 PMBravo Auton!
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 11:59 PMyay auton! well thought out explanations... i love clarity!
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:09 AM<<Bravo Auton! Hear Hear~>>
And to Hoopes as well for finding the pinchbeck definition! Humor is the best!
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 1:24 AMmy take on Pinchbeck's terms:
1) fractal expressions
phantasms
2) a unified field of consciousness
sum of all parts.. but, really.. consciousness is. there is no 'consciousness isn't..'
3) fractal expressions of a unified field of consciousness
www.youtube.com/watch
4) sentient aspects
animated/animating.. but this term seems to insinuate that there are inanimate aspects (purely a manifestation of Maya)
5) sentient aspects of a planetary ecology
dynamics of Earthly behaviour
6) planetary ecology
global interdependence
7) a planetary ecology... that is continually changed by... our thoughts
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cons...s_collapse
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 3:07 AMi thought it was about time i googled "critical mass" and the piddly little Wikipedia entry said that 'tipping point' is kinda another term for it :D well there ya go huh
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 4:35 PMThnx 4 the links Lana :)... -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:56 PMthank you Celestine! i couldn't have said it better myself!
the concept of the Holographic Universe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holo..._principle is part of what is being referrenced here, as well as the concept of "fractals" in nature, as can be seen (yes Wil!!) in seeds, the Fibinocci sequence, Mandlebrott series, etc.
we are all connected thru these concepts, (unified field) and to the gaian mind (the mind of the planet) if you believe such things as ALL THINGS HAVE A CONSCIOUSNESS on some level...........
so how are we, as "individuals" manifesting our vision for peaceful, whole, and healthy Unified Whole (healthy mind, healthy planet)---yes it's true.........
ever read the Secret Life of Plants? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_..._of_Plants
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:00 PMor maybe you just don't like the concept of learning to take personal responsibility?
or you think that you're so "insignificant" as to have no impact?
these things could not be further from the truth! yes, we are tiny, but yes, we do matter.......try yelling at a child and watch the reaction you get.....if you were to take a blood sample, you would see that his cortisol and adreniline levels have just shot up, creating patterns in the brain of fear and doubt,............now try give a child a hug and telling her that you love her....take her blood sample and you will see seratonin and neurotransmitters that actually build new pathways of intelligence, love, and peacefullness in her brain.............it's the same whether on a small scale or a grand scale...........it's ALL connected folks............if you don't yet understand that, then i just don't know what to tell you........ -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:02 PMand no, of course you (i) don't need shrooms to understand these concepts, it just seems someone could use a good dose of medicine to loosen up the shackles of the mind! hehe..... :)
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:24 PM<<we do matter>>
you do matter to me.... is why you are in my lil list of "Tribe Friends" ...
i dont find myself having to agree with all people say just to find some kind of "link" to someone else in my life ..... we (all that can read this) are connected, trough here, these lines... not just electric pulses, but metal waves as well
i suggest we are all polishing ourselves (trying to become better persons) with the help of all our relations.... just like rocks in a tumbler
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 2:12 AM>>Since no one is taking a courage to answer Hoopes' questions, here is my take;
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 2:13 AM(altho' i must make a disclaimer here): i do see the irony in the title of the conference, however, that doesn't mean that is entirely without substance -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 2:34 AM
Maybe we can start our own conference, just to network with cool, open mind/heart people who like to talk prophecy/reality hacking and ancient wisdom. Charge 60 bucks and meet at the Doubletree ballroom. Everyone with a ticket can do a 20 min presentation, and the Q&A can last as long as the audience allows. At the end, write who gave the best presentation on your ticket and the winner gets a cash prize! Optional costumes of ancient civilizations, 11th dimensional beings, starseeds and favorite Indigo celebrities :) We'll serve Ruta Maya coffee and Xochil chocoaltes, and at the end if it a roaring success, we'll have a DJ dance/cash bar and serve Gaia Damiana coctails!
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 4:32 AMtotally, PatFireCat. genius, really ;D
i mean: >Everyone with a ticket can do a 20 min presentation<?!? calls for a big pat on the head =^. .^= -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 4:39 AMOK. So that's Wil and Cali!
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:59 AMOh i say we call this thread a conference and at that, we have tipped ourcellves.
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 1:53 AMi'm in.... are we really planning this? lol... no really... that would be completely magical especially since you all are at least familiar to me whereas the others, kinda sorta, but um....
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 1:55 AMwe don't have to rent a conference space, but we could take advantage of the spring forest forum and let the trees represent the elders perhaps. i think it would be a hoot!
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:54 AMYou can count me in, too, whether out on the playa or under some trees. -
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 5:36 PMWho would attend the conferences? We'd all be using our laptops, posting on the tribe here! ;)
I do like the idea of having a beer with y'all in real life, but does Gayle have enough duct tape to moderate the discussions...? -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 5:48 PMyknow, at some of these spiritual conferences, they have one 'talking stick' they pass around the circle.
At MY conference, we would have peace pipes! LOTS of em, enough that everybody but the guy who's turn it is to talk has something to put in their mouth! Who's turn is it to talk? Who doesn't have a pipe!? -
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:54 PMha! this guy just got kicked out our sustainable communities class because he thought w should have a talking stick because he didn't like how everyone was interjecting their ideas, lacking academic structure! i think its ironic considering the nature of the class... and that means, it would be fun to have a loose meet. speaking of gayle, she used to (and i haven't been there for awhile, so i don't know) used to mod a couple of yage.net forums. one year, a bunch of folks from entheogens.net got together in sedona. it was a fantastic meet-up and talks!
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:43 AMI've Already begun an alternative to the Alternative Conference, for the meager few who find the Alternative Conference, perhaps, too Limiting to Buzz their Vibe 2-da-Max.... It Starts Today at my place, and runs Continuously until, roughly, the end of 2012, the end of time-as-we-know-it, the beginning of time-as-we-Prefer-it, the SomVarta, ....Or, WhichEver comes or Goes First ....at which 'time' we'll transform it into the t-I'Me Proference-to-assess-the-galactic-giftings........
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 2:38 AMThe substance that is the substance of the conference is as available to me here as it is to them wherever. This need for some sort of official validation is not valid. That is what is sad about this to me; that it implies the need for money, exotic place and famous people. The setting for these extravaganzas i find really .....glitter bourgeois..... nouveau new age. The form is totally heirarchical, i mean you just paid these "experts" a bunch and so there is a vested interest all round in them being the wise dispensers of sacred knowledge. I think the reality that is emerging is a lot more about collective power and developing the ability to work with each other in non hierarchical forms. This seems to me to have a lot of personal power egotistical crap attached.
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Re: 2012 Tipping Point - The Prophet's Conference
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 5:27 AMIt's too bad Hunter S. Thompson's not around to do a gonzo piece on this conference. Maybe he's available for channeling. -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 6:20 AMOK, so Hoopes, and his date, the late Dr Gonzo,
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:08 AMbtw i'd be making it to the ball via video conference (my two little jobs won't afford me a short trip to the States) -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:12 AMYes! It's here now! Just keep it up! -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 12:10 PM>>we'll have a DJ dance/cash bar and serve Gaia Damiana coctails!
i'm in!! :)
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The Doubletree Tripping Point~
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 4:50 PMi like the sounds of this... we can also plan our 2012 Burning Man camp! -
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 5:59 PM<<< we can also plan our 2012 Burning Man camp! >>>
lets make it happen ....
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Re: The Doubletree Tripping Point~
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 11:11 PMI am cracking up @ U all!
I'm meeting with friends monday to discuss BM 2010,
you're totally freeking me out with yr synchronicity, it must be magik!!
And remember y'all, at manifestation/co-creation conventions, it is always polite for the Tipping Point to be at least 10% for servers,
15 for bartenders.
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