Readers of this thread may be a bit surprised to learn that I'm a tremendous admirer of Terence McKenna. He was extremely eloquent, articulated some truly novel and original ideas, and never alluded to being something that he wasn't. I learn something new every time I listen to him. I will say that McKenna was a far more gifted orator than writer. I don't think that his account of the La Chorrera "experiment" in "The Archaic Revival" was a high point in his intellectual production, much as Daniel may try to emulate the narrative form of this incident. It's interesting to note that Dennis McKenna, the focus of the "experiment," later became a gifted scientist and pharmaceutical chemist working very much within the materialist paradigm.

By the way, I don't think Theo's whining at all and I agree with what he said.

"If ancient civilizations *weren't* the way that archaeologists think they were, where is the evidence to the contrary? I can assure you, we spend a lot of time looking for it!"

But that was my point in a post earlier. Maybe the evidence is so far remote from what they think is possible that they don't even "see" the evidence becasue they are looking for something which might fit into the current paradigm. Or maybe the evidence is there but they are misinterpreting it, especially when it comes to Consciousness and affecting matter and gravity. In short, when there is no visible or material evidence they make up their own interpretaion whcih fits into the praradigm of the present.

It reminds me of the fact when The Spaniards came to South Amercia and landed on the coast, at first the Indians didn't see the ships at all, although they were right at the coast. they saw the water moving but couldn't tell why, simply becasue it wasn't anything they have seen before or even knew it existed. their conscousness didn't register the boats at all.
With hypnosis one can re-create that phenomena, where a person gets hypnotized, suggesting that some person is not in the room and although he or she is in the room, the hypnotoised person can't see him or her. He sees everyhting else but not the person whcih was told to him doesn't exist. In fact he could even look right through the body and describe the watch that the hypnotist was holding behind the "non-existent" person. Everyone in the room saw the person but not the hypnotized man. I find that quite astonishing and an example of how easily we can be manipulated through the power of suggestion off what is possible and what not.

this is the best I can to describe what I'm getting at.
So, yes, i certainly do think that there is more to the story of pyramid building than just clelverly using leverage and such.
Also, in regards to your comment about waht is simple and what is not, well you're right.
Actually what I think is, that whatever technique the ancients used, even if has to do with using higher levels of consciousness and directly manipualting gravity and matter, for them it was simple and easy becasue that is what they know and always have known.
For us this might be complicated because we only operate on 5% of our brain power....for now...:-)

I think it's a good time in this time and age to give it all the benefit of a doubt.

"You are confirming my suspicions about the entrenched biases of academic archaeologists, which prevents them from the possibility of accessing other knowledge systems."

Well, I would argue that they *do* access other knowledge systems, including Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, atheism, etc. But then, you deny that these are knowledge systems. (I'm still confused about what you mean by that term.)

How is "psychic intuition" different from just plain old intuition?

No, I don't believe in ESP, remote viewing, telekinesis, or any of that stuff.

If archaeologists believed in ghosts, we'd never get anything done.

Yes thats true John... it takes training for sure. I agree, hardly any non-musician can tell the difference, except that they "feel" the groove deeper and more tangebly. Developing your ability, ear, senses takes alot practice and an open mind to understand something you have not yet concieved.

The same I think can be applied to ESP. We all have it to some degree or another. Extra Sensory Perception. There is no mystery and spooky weirdness to that. The presence of what people call "ghosts" is the phenomenon of residual conscious electro-magnetic energy. There is no real separation between God and Science; spirtuality and materialism. It is all connected. It seems to me though, that the more deeper a person probes into the world of matter, the more one realises that there really is no 'solid' tangable forms of matter. We are in essence "Light" force more than any other aspect of life in its reality . I believe we are all constructed out of the waves and particle of Light moving thru a cosmic void (which is not truly void at all but filled with Plenum) racing at an alarming speed....perhaps the speed of light itself (or the speed of thought) to return to the One (like static electricity). In this divine flow of light/life force we have amazing capapbilities to experience life on many levels; we have a brain and we have Soul.

The force of thought is very strong. The electromagnetic energy inherent in us is so strong, that with enough concentration you can actually bend things. We use this form of telekinesis to smaller degrees when we send energy to make someone feel loved, or attract them to us. Or visa versa, we can effect their aura (electro-magnetic energy) and send them bad vibes or "get lost" vibes and their body will feel it. Some don't though....some poeple don't 'pick up' I notice when they are so filled with themselves. Its called ignorance. Ignoring the world around you in-"sensitively'. Then some people "sense" (feel) things more than others. Some people have an extra ability to sense waves and peoples thoughts. E.S.P - Maybe perhaps that is what Jesus meant when he said that with "faith" you can walk on water or move mountians. There is so much more to Jesus than has been revealed to us. Perhapas the "Spirtual gifts" he talked about was telekinesis, teleportation, telepathy etc.... the Higher you resonate, the lighter you become.

Look what happened in the Philadelphais experiment when those huge radiosonds concentrated heavy waves onto the ship & crew to accelerate its molecular structure. It disapeared and teleported to another plane. That is the action of atoms. The faster they move, the more invisible they become. Is it possible that by a certain degree of martial practice, concentration (prayer), awareness of our body (honor for yoru temple) with effort and mastery we can shapeshift, or walk on water?

There is so much more to life than is taught to us in School and thru religious organizations. Both mediums are incredibly fear based.

To touch on extra-terrestral contact. It feels very clear to me, that we are NOT the only living species in this Universe. How can we be? Thats a selfish thought and it does not fit in with the harmonic Law of scientific reasoning really. As above, so below.

Our galaxy swings like a spiralling pendulem moving thru different waves and levels of being. The higher the rate and state our molecular field (wave - life) resonates at, the more invisible we can become and percieve other Higher states of being. So perhpas there are only certain times where beings can come and reveal themsleves to certain beings who have mastered in themsleves a Higher state of being.

You don't need drugs to do that. Like music. The higher the pitch, the less audible the sound. So the fact that thru out the ages, in every single culture and race there have been records and mentions of beings that either had wings, or some other form of "enlightened" states could be because of the Higher rate of frequency that their being loves. Since 'love' is the force that lifts us the highest energetically.

The mystics and philosophers always maintained that "love" was the highest power. It is. When a person really resonates at a level of pure love, they actually shine. Their vibratory frequency is High. Very few beings right now can maintain this sense of relalting science and mysticism, but I know this to be true in my own self experience.

I do believe that doing drugs to activate the glands and chemicals already inherent in ones body is a lazy way of "seeing" and becoming enlightened. Its hard to maintain once you come down. It can also be HIGHLY abusive to your body. But it IS possible to access these states and be so connected with your body (temple) to move into other worlds (levels of consciousness) unexplainable thru conventional methods, where you percieve deeper realities, beings past the 'arc' of Earths timeline. We can entrain our mind to open our portals (glands) and experience the magic and science of being hu-man thru fasting and prayer. (Hu=animal Man=Angel) Its just a different "state" of being. It may be hard to see that now for some, but then at one time it was hard for people to see that the Earth was round and not flat. Actually it is both. (but thats for another discusion :-] )

I do not agree that all archeologists are coming from an open place of "understanding". Very few are. Just like there are very few good doctors, dentists, singers, presidents etc.... there are very few archaeologists who are brave enough to go beyond the dogmatic control of what they are taught and really "investigate".

The "Eye of Horus" found on many walls in Egypt in the Pyramids is quite fascinating. Its actually a mathematical understanding of where Creation came from; the One. To Ancient mathematical philosophers, a circle symbolized the number One and recognized this as the ‘source’ of all subsequent shapes and numbers– the womb in which all geometric patterns develop. The Ancient Greeks termed number one as the “Monad”, from the root word “menein” (to be stable) and “monas” or “oneness”.

111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321

Ancient mathematical philosophers referred to the Monad as “the First”, the Seed, the Essence, the Builder, Unity, the Immutable Truth. The Monad breathes in the void.

Then the One breathed its first word (OM) and as waves do created a mirror of itself to resonate on into eternity. This mirror can be viewed or symbolized as Two (DYAD). (the second wave) When you draw two circles ( O O ) together slightly (as shown in sacred geometry) in its center you will find an almond like shape. This symbol, to ancient Mathmeticians, was the birth of ALL subsequent numbers. To the ancient Egyptians (who were hughly skilled in Alchemy and mysticism) it was called the "Eye of Horus": where all Creation was birthed from.

To the ancient mathematicians, ‘Unity’ exists in all things, but remains inapparent. Any number when multiplied by unity remains itself, the same when unity is divided into any number. Unity (the Monad; One) always preserves the identity of all it encounters. Unity or the ‘One’ waits quietly within each form without stirring, motionless, never mingling yet supporting all.

Brahma speaks alout the word ‘Aham’, “I Am”, a word made of the first, middle and last letters of the Sanskrit alphabet – which represents the ‘center’, the ‘radius’, and circumference of a circle: 3 parts = I Am. Nature delights in the principle of equal expansion in concentric ripples, splashes, craters, bubbles, flowers and exploding stars. All life is a circle with no beginning or ending, but is a continual pulse of cycles within circles the great Wheel of Time: the Sacred Hoop.

If you drop a stone in the water you will see the natural flow and design of Truth: concentric circles and rings of energetic waves. The wave is not the water. The water merely told us about the wave moving by. Ripples expanding in a pond represent an optical illusion. We assume that the water is moving outward, but it is not.

What we think is material, in essence is not. Its merely an orcestra of waves being conducted by the force of attraction; the force of Love.

"The center of a circle is still ~ the circumference speaks of movement. Because cycles are a priciple of the “Monad” (One), they are all pervasive in the Universe. We are thoroughly enmeshed in cycles & periodic rhythms. Look at our breath, seasons or Time. Co-operating with ‘Nature’ requires that we recognize the existence, and learn the ways of its omni-present cycles. The “Sage” is he who has attained the central point of a wheel and proves it without himself participating in the movement and remains bound to the unvarying mean." - Michael Schnider

Everything seeks Unity. The way of many religions and mythic ordeals is to return to a lost state of ‘Divine Oneness’. But we think about it, we have no need to return to a lost state of Oneness because Unity is axiomatic (self evident) and we are already integrated in it. Barely recognizing our situation, here and now we live in a whole and beautifully harmonious wonder world. Only a self imposed illusion of separateness keeps us from recognizing our own center of awareness and identity with the One.

It really is quite timely for you both to be speaking this way together. Its an opportunity for growth and movement for us all. Thank you.

Within each of us are the poles of anima & animus, female and male aspects whose relative balance determines how we relate to other men and women. Although we think we are acting independently, we follow nature’s polar principles in most everything we do.

Polar tension occurs in all natural and human affairs as any opposing relationship, contrast, difference. The paradox of the Dyad is that while it appears to be separate from Unity, its opposite pole remembers their source and attract each other in an attempt to merge and return to the state of Unity.

Polar tension is at the root of all birth and creation. It takes two to tango. Two people of opposite gender can have children – when cool, dry air penetrates, warm, wet air, rain happens. Two poles of a battery, positive and negative are needed to complete an electric circuit. There isn’t anything composed of matter (or anti-matter) that avoids polarity.

The ancients recognized that “One” and “Two” were not numbers at all but the “parents of all numbers and shapes”, the Creator and Creatrix of ALL life. Born within the beautiful simple marriage and merging of One (circle) with another itself, One (circle), creates “Two”, or the "Dyad". Thru their mating, the fusion of the principles of 1 & 2, point and line, unity and difference, gives birth to all subsequent archetypal principles revealed as numbers, symbolized as numerals and seen as shapes in Nature.

Within the Dyad there is an almond shaped ‘eye’ in which many philosophers, mystics, mathematicians have been entranced with since the dawn of time. This ‘eye’ called the ‘Vesica Piscis’ is also known as the “Mandorla” in India.

If there is something that you don’t like, you can assume that its opposite exists, which you will like. But shunning one while chasing its opposite only invokes & strengthens the one we try to avoid. The words we speak, write and think unconsciously shape what we see. The ancients call this Dyad “illusion”. Under the sway of the Dyad we can see walls, boundaries, dividers. Polarized thinking encourages our sense of separateness and deflects our vision from the worlds – and our own – inherent Unity. We cannot live in a sense of Oneness, unity, wholeness while bouncing in the mirror world of implied opposites, continually attracted or repelled.

Understand the duality of life, as born of the One; As Above, So Below.

“Art thou not aware, O Asclepios, that Egypt is the image of heaven,or rather, that it is the projection below of the order of things above?”— Hermes Trismegistus

LOVE AMONG THE ATOMS

The opposite poles of the Dyad retain their memory of the ‘One’. At every chance they seek to merge and become whole again. Like a lover, lightening leaps a gap to meet and dissolve with its opposite charge where they can both return to a state of Unity and Peace.

Since electrons occur in materials in large numbers, some of them can be loosened by mere friction and induced to move. Scuffling ones feet across a carpet on a dry day will loosen electrons, which run up and sit on the surface of the skin. They jump at the first chance to unite with an oppositely charged “lover” such as a metal doorknob. The ‘spark’ is simply the result of a primal urge of parts to return to the whole, of polarities craving to merge to Unity (One), the original state of the Monad. Even the everyday “static cling” of clothing and plastic wraps illustrates the urge of the “Many to return to the One”. Scientists call the strength of the “love” between poles their “voltage”.

This voltage, attraction, this Love is the force of ALL the Universe: is GOD. We ARE an amazing creation, and we CAN change the scene if we wanted too.... it just takes alittle effort and humility: letting go of our attachments to our material world to reintegrate with the Natural Order of the Cosmos. We are awash in a state of chaos right now, and like static electricity, I do believe that we WILL return to a state of Unity.... but we can make the journey alittle less intense of we change our attitudes and thoughts from fear to love.

I come from very diverse parents. My mothers family were ghost dancers, and my father worked for the Government in Washington. I was raised to understand both worlds.

I see and feel there are waves of truth to what your saying John as well as to what Daniel is saying.

May we all become open and humble oursleves to truly explore the Nature of who we are.... with love.

Peace*

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"Academia is fiercely competitive, mostly because everyone is working overtime to disprove everyone else."

Sounds like a mountainous muck heap of negation, with every cock treading the others' faces in a mad scramble to get to the top and crow, "Everyone is wrong but me! Only I can see the sun!"

What does it ultimately amount to? Negating everything into oblivion? Sure feels that way.

Music is nothing like this. A new song is an expression of creativity, not a systematic demolition of every other song. A new song doesn't make every other song wrong. If only academia could instill the value of respect and the basic decency asking "what may have compelled so-and-so to percieve things this way", instead of rewarding this pillaging attitude of "I don't percieve things this way, therefore so-and-so was simply wrong or delusional about the following..."

The presumption is that academia fosters the honing of knowledge through refinement, but it could very well be cheering on the destructive defacing of knowledge.

hoopes,
re your comment:
I'm mostly skeptical that personal experiences and subjective interpretations can reveal it (e.g. the 'truth') to anyone other than the observer...

a cat named Schrödinger asked me to remind you that the same could be said about so-called objective scientific facts.

I'm sorry I have to think about these things, but it's my reality. I'd prefer not to give opponents any additional ammunition, considering my plans for the Fall semester:

www2.ljworld.com/news/2005...gn_theory/

Here's another example (from a few years back) of the kind of attacks on education that we have to deal with in Kansas:

www2.ljworld.com/news/2003...ttack_sex/

www.ljworld.com/section/kusexclass

These issues tend to pop up most when legislators are up for re-election.

Here's some happy news (not) that was in the paper this week:

www2.ljworld.com/news/2006...returning/

And this is what was going down at the Wakarusa festival here last weekend:

www2.ljworld.com/news/2006..._wakarusa/

I agree...he should not be asked to prove his entheogenic use. It would prove nothing. It would show nothing...

Entheogen is a personal event in every way. If he gave story after story what would it prove? Nothing...What would it change, Nothing?

It was not a good suggestion in the first. Hell people this is the internet...who's who anyway...stop looking at this as an event of agreement...and think more.

Besides if they monitor your phone...hmm...wonder if they monitor the internet?

thank you. that is all.

in peace,
xris

hoopes,

"I would contend that you do have pre-existing ideas, and that they privilege extraterrestrial or extra-dimensional beings over fairies, pixies, witches and demons.. "

if i may respond to this on daniel's behalf, if you may recall in 2012, he references rudolf steiner's 'duality of the devil' archetypes between the earth-bound mephistopheles and the heavens-bound lucifer. on more than one occasion, he shares steiner's hypothesis that humankind is at the evolutionary point where it should (or is about to) begin to harness the lucifer energy over mesphisto.

(anyone, please correct any faulty summarization, as i do not currently have the source material to accurately reference).

so if you wish to unearth daniel's 'pre-existing ideas', steiner might be a good place to start, as the beings that you list seem to firmly fit in their respective camps.

the reason why i chose to butt in is because that hypothesis is the one that has most disturbed me since i have read the book (although i must say that i have yet to read the last section as i chose to leave my copy in guatemala for kindred spirits in the belly of Q).

rebecca's recent most interesting theory in the 'tell me what you think' thread has made me consider that perhaps i am perhaps conditioned by my earth-bound 'soul' (for lack of a more scientifically-proven word). nonetheless, i still question steiner's hypothesis that the shadow is lucifer's and not mephistopheles', considering both the ecological crisis that we seem to be facing and the possible geomagnetic inversion that is currently occuring. could mephistopheles also be the creator of the crop circles, and not lucifer (or his minions)?

however, the lucifer angle seems to concur with the galatic underworld cycle and the revelations contained therein as theorized by ian lungold (rip) and carl calleman. however, why is it lucifer and not quetzacoatl (the plumed serpent, the god of the wind, the light to balance the dark)?

i see an unbalanced mix of metaphors. if there is an evolution of consciousness, wouldn't it be a balance of light & dark, heaven & earth, yin & yang, masculine & feminine? if steiner is correct, then lucifer has to be balanced by an earthly archetype, not the god of the wind. however, if it indeed is time for quetzacoatl's (or dare i say it, christ's) return, then the mirror is mephisto. and i would also say that there is a woeful lack of feminine energy in this entire equation, unless one of these archetypes is a closted cross-dresser about to start taking hormones so that he/she will fully develop in time for her coming out...

this is all extremely incomplete, but hopefully understandable enough to initiate an educational discussion for all of us.

(hoopes, i suggest you break out your jung for this one, i know you got it there somewhere buried in your stack).

feel free to fire away...