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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:09 AMRadical decentralization may be our only hope!
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:51 AMYeah. The bankruptcy thing has been a long time coming, and blindingly obvious for the last 10 years anyway. The american empire had built in obsolescence. Certainly not built to last. History now. -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:15 AMVery few people understand how fortunate the U.S. (and the world) were to have Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt show up in the 1930s to steer us between the extremes on offer then and give us another 40 years or so of prosperity before the imperial rot REALLY set in. You only get so lucky once, but often, not at all. There is no one of similar ilk in view today, and if they were, they'd be quickly taken down for their sexual peccadilloes, or meet an unfortunate accident. -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:39 AMThanks for that Will. My thoughts exactly. Ever seem to you that all us will's kinda synched up on important levels? Will i am that i will i am.
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:17 AMWell, you could have made the same observation a long about 1929 or '30. What you really mean is that America as we know it is finished, and that is true; but this country is still a shining beacon to the world because of its freethinking tradition. My wife brings in foreign students from abroad to study here, and most of them are very disturbed by the pessimism they see here now. They do not want America to go away. -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:25 AMI, too, had many exchange students in the years I was a high school teacher, most of whom expressed the same things your wife reports. Many of them also wondered why so many Americans were politically paranoid, extremely unaware of other countries, and so obviously misinformed by mass media. They liked Americans but saw many of the flaws in our system that a lot of Americans seem not to see. The "shining beacon to the world" was mainly economic, that one could move up and not be held back by an establishment. That part seems to be more in danger now than in a long time! -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:31 AMMy impression was that the "shining beacon" was mainly about our contribution to the arts and the computer revolution.
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:47 AMThis rise and fall is our destiny and a good thing for all concerned even if they are not concerned. The basic model of the many cooperating as a whole will not be template for united planet. Not a despotic totalitarian state like so many have fearfully imagined, but a loose collection of bickering locals cooperating where it is overwhelmingly in their collective cellf interest to do so. In this case, cooperation to avoid complete and utter planetary catastrophe that is only other alternative.
Elenanor Roosevelt will eventually get the honors she deserves for her work on the UDHR. This from the wikipedia article:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is a declaration adopted by the United Nations General Assembly (10 December 1948 at the Palais de Chaillot, Paris). The Guinness Book of Records describes the UDHR as the "Most Translated Document"[1] in the world. The Declaration arose directly from the experience of the Second World War and represents the first global expression of rights to which all human beings are respectfully entitled to. It consists of 30 articles which have been elaborated in subsequent international treaties, regional human rights instruments, national constitutions and laws. The International Bill of Human Rights consists of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and its two Optional Protocols. In 1966 the General Assembly adopted the two detailed Covenants, which complete the International Bill of Human Rights; and in 1976, after the Covenants had been ratified by a sufficient number of individual nations, the Bill took on the force of international law.[2] -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 8:07 AMThanks for that, wil, and thanks to Lana for starting this thread. -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 9:52 AMAt the meeting the SCO/BRIC nations failed to arrive at any consensus about another reserve currency and issued a limp statement yesterday that said they weren't trying to replace the dollar, only supplement it. And they couldn't even do that. So while the US is hurting badly and very likely in long-term decline, and the dollar is not what it used to be (and may well decline in coming years), the idea that it's -all- over might be a bit hasty.
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 10:13 AMYeah, I mean even Britannia which fell on its ass a long time ago is still a power, and still gave us such punctuation as The Stones, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, J.P. Donleavy, et. al. too numerous to mention. The America that would be so diminished would let us hope be an America that doesn't annually bankrupt itself with a cosmic level defense budget. That would be a nice "diminishment."
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 10:17 AMHa ha. The bric nations and the rest will pay dearly for their failure to achieve consensus. Eventually i bet they come up with something, but by then the dollar will be a fraction of present value.
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 2:37 PMBankruptcy is exactly what they planned for... -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Thu, June 18, 2009 - 10:33 AM"dollar will be a fraction of present value." lets face it, if we choose to keep dealing in dollars, we lose. The bank/govt gets ALL the leveraging.... Small groups creating their own monetary collectives creates 'real' value again for goods and services rendered. A million a day changes hands in 2nd life... no paper trail or IRS in there... we will see more and more of these 'private clubs' working together to decentralize the oppression. -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
Thu, June 18, 2009 - 11:05 AMI think high likelihood that the old system will just fail without viable alternative agreed on. Then we will return to a reality based system that is, wonder of wonders, vastly more efficient at everything. Like a billion microbes we will digest the old system and transform it and i think we already are deep into this process, each in our own specialized way. -
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Re: Is the American Empire about to experience a HUGE change?
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