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hi all, i am new to this tribe, and i have a story to share.
a few months back, i was at a crystal conference and had a chance to meditate with sha na ra, a crystal skull that was found in some mayan ruins. well, the person caretaking the skull has developed a laser light program that has been developed by him with the help of neuroscientists to take you into a trance state. he projects the different laser colors through the skull. soooooooo, we all do a group meditation with sha na ra. i gaze into him, and very soon after that i see the clear shape of a pyramid with an eye on the top of it, at the back end of his head. the eyeball was placed exactly where your third eye is on the back side of your head. i blink, look away and look back at it.....it is still there. i then see the number 13 that keeps flashing.........no matter how many times i look away, i look back and it is still there. towards the end of the session, i then see the number 2012 flashing. the feeling that there is one more crystal scull to be found in another pyramid kept popping in my head, and i had this feeling it was a pyramid in egypt.
so i just recently started to do a little bit of research into the pyramid and eyeball image, its the same one depicted on the us dollar. what i have read is that is symbolizes the new world order.
i would love to hear any of your insights into this vivid vision i have experienced.
love!
kristine
a few months back, i was at a crystal conference and had a chance to meditate with sha na ra, a crystal skull that was found in some mayan ruins. well, the person caretaking the skull has developed a laser light program that has been developed by him with the help of neuroscientists to take you into a trance state. he projects the different laser colors through the skull. soooooooo, we all do a group meditation with sha na ra. i gaze into him, and very soon after that i see the clear shape of a pyramid with an eye on the top of it, at the back end of his head. the eyeball was placed exactly where your third eye is on the back side of your head. i blink, look away and look back at it.....it is still there. i then see the number 13 that keeps flashing.........no matter how many times i look away, i look back and it is still there. towards the end of the session, i then see the number 2012 flashing. the feeling that there is one more crystal scull to be found in another pyramid kept popping in my head, and i had this feeling it was a pyramid in egypt.
so i just recently started to do a little bit of research into the pyramid and eyeball image, its the same one depicted on the us dollar. what i have read is that is symbolizes the new world order.
i would love to hear any of your insights into this vivid vision i have experienced.
love!
kristine
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:22 AMI would strongly suggest you look at the program that is driving the lasers. It is very easy to send images and data through lasers. I would suggest that you take the meditation as art, similar, or even the same as the ancient rites of old. They had good messages to teach, but they used masks, painting, costumes, drugs, and sound to take a inductee into a place where they could see god/hermes/isis/etc.... -
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:23 AMif in fact, you can prove that the lasers were not being driven with images and data, and they were revealing hidden holograms, then I would be very very excited! I think it is possible, that the skulls could have been made by an ancient lost technology. -
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:41 AMthere are many similarities to my experience and this article, i found this article yesterday, three months after my meditation.
here is a link with some great information on crystal skulls
www.worldmysteryrc.org/skulls2.htm
love!
kristine
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:00 PM"I think it is possible, that the skulls could have been made by an ancient lost technology."
This seems unlikely if the OP saw the numbers 13 and 2012--Ancient Mayans had different nomenclature (is that the right word?) and calendar. 2012 is only the corresponding date. -
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:20 PMhi teresa, did you get a chance to go to the link i provided? just wondering.
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:50 PMhi kristine wowow! that sounds like a fully phenomenal happening.. i wish i could have seen it. i wondered like teresa about the 'format' but like you said, nobody had the same experience. so the skull might for each person just prompt a unique revelation.. recognition..
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 2:02 PMalso the 13 might have something to do with the Cosmic, last, tone in mayan astrology..?
hi id, would you be able to elaborate on this one for me? this is extremely fascinating to me and would like to find out as much as i can.
thanks so much!
love!
kristine
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 3:40 PMThe Mayan calendar was started 400000 years ago, but may have been created 2000 years ago.. Never the less, the stars, and moon would not be much different back 400000 years ago, so 13 months and all that still would mean something, but the 2012 thing.... What if we are wrong about the translation of the mayan caledar into gregorian? -
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:17 PMThen perhaps we have already ended 'time' and entered 'now'.. lol
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:32 PMyeah, shadoan.........i dont know what to think about this, i just cant ignore the synchronicities of it all. it is pretty incredible that the specific year 2012 was shown to me, and its connection with the 3rd eye and pyramid and its connection with a new world as we will know it (not to mention the skull was found in a mayan ruin). it is such a magical experience. kirby the caretaker of sha na ra told me that no body else has seen the same vision that i had with the skull that he knows of. i cant help but think that in the year 2012 of our calendar, it will be a new begining of peace and higher vibrations and a "new ideal world" a jump into the next consciousness. it is obvious in the last year at least to me that, alot of us are raising our vibrations and moving into other dimensions on a mass scale. we are experiencing the begining of this higher evolution right now. new crystals are being revealed in the earth right now that are tools for us to tap into this energy. it is no coincidence, the earth knows when to give us these tools. i am just so grateful to be a part of it all.
thanks for listening
love!
kristine
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:32 AMshadoan, thanks for your insights.......i have taken a look at the program and have talked with the person who developed it, and through my strong intuition feel he is coming from his heart, and only has positive intentions. there were over 300 people at the conference, and we shared our stories, no two people had the same experience.
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:52 PMI find it fascinating that the Mayan obsession with decapitation has been reborn in this time of radical change (just like in revolutionary France).
And the Crystal Skulls are being unearthed world wide.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 2:42 PMHi kristine. The symbol of the pyramid & eye represents the 6th chakra. The third eye, or all seeing eye.
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 2:42 PMYes and it's nice to hear that something like this worked for you.
However, no crystal skull (or even a fragment of one) has ever been found in a scientifically documented archaeological context at any known Maya site. That is, there is no archaeological evidence that that ancient Maya ever made or used crystal skulls.
Careful research suggests that the best-known crystal skulls, including the Mitchell-Hedges crystal skull, one in the British Museum, and one in the Museé de l'Homme were all manufactured in Germany in the 19th century. Others are also probably of modern manufacture.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 2:59 PMplease do, wikipedia is the least reliable source of information i have seen on the net. anyone can post undocumentated info on there.
did you see the list on the link i provided?
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 3:13 PMwww.atlantisrising.com/issue1...ll.html
sorry, the list isnt what i was talking about, it is the above link. at the end it goes into some relevant details.
love!
kristine
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 3:26 PM"A documentary was produced of the tests by the BBC. The results were shocking to the museum staff. It was determined that the British skull and the Smithsonian skull were not ancient, but in fact carved using very contemporary methods from the 1800s. Sha-Na-Ra and Max were also examined. While the officials of the museum would not publicly comment as to the results, it was confidentially revealed, by the antiquity expert brought to the museum by its officials, that the method used to carve Max and Sha-Na-Ra, was used more than 5000 years ago! The skull in the British museum was a fake. The Smithsonian skull was a fake. The Mitchell-Hedges skull? Well, we wonder why Anna declined. Her only comment was that it had been tested enough in the past. The BBC aired their documentary in July, 1996 and will be aired by U.S. television, however, no date has yet been set. In a letter to me from Everyman Productions, in London, it was reported by the BBC that they had never aired a program in this series with a larger audience."
this is the part i was referring to.
love!
kristine
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:41 PM"Sha-Na-Ra and Max were also examined. While the officials of the museum would not publicly comment as to the results, it was confidentially revealed, by the antiquity expert brought to the museum by its officials, that the method used to carve Max and Sha-Na-Ra, was used more than 5000 years ago!"
Yes, but I'd need some more details on this one. Confidentially revealed? Antiquity expert? Why all the secrecy? Who's the expert? What's the method? Lots of methods were used for working hard stones more than 5000 years ago, including pecking and grinding and drilling, so that really doesn't mean anything at all. It certainly doesn't imply that any crystal skulls were made 5000 years ago.
This article has a little more information, but it's one of many:
www.skepdic.com/crystalskull.html
If the ancient Maya made crystal skulls, why have archaeologists found no skulls made of obsidian? This material was much more common than rock crystal, and had a special place in Maya religion. Why no jade skulls? Jade is just as hard to work as quartz (they have the same hardness). The ancient Maya made many objects of jade, which also had deep significance for them. Why no skulls? Generally, where there's a speciric technology and iconography, it's found in a variety of materials. Why aren't there skulls made from basalt, calcite, or other minerals? Archaeological contexts usually have examples of stages of manufacture, unfinished objects, and broken objects. These are known for many different kinds of materials and objects, but none of these exist for the crystal skulls. It's a lot easier to make a crystal ball than a crystal skull. Why didn't the ancient Maya make crystal balls? We know an enormous amount of archaeological information about the ancient Maya. Why has no archaeologist ever found a trace of a crystal skull at a Maya site?
That said, crystal skulls are pretty cool. There are lots of places where you can buy one online.
I'll try to find some published references. A group of students in my "Archaeological Myths & Realities" class did their end-of-semester research presentation on crystal skulls. They concluded that the skulls are probably all modern artifacts. -
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:59 PMi feel that they utilized quartz since it is specific for holding and storing information, jade does not do this, and if they are 5000 years old that predates them to the mayan time. they could of been passed down from other civilizations.
just a thought. thanks for your insights........
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 4:41 AMi thought quartz was petrified water.. or at least 'seen' as such -
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:29 AMNope. Both quartz and water (in solid form) have crystalline structures. "Petrified" water is ice, which is different from quartz. Both quartz crystals and ice crystals can have generally similar appearances, but they have some fundamental differences.
If you heat quartz to a high enough temperature (with some other elements as fluxes mixed in), you can make glass (a supercooled liquid.)
If you heat ice, you get liquid water.
Pretty cool.
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:42 AMTo clarify again, the quotation didn't say that the *skulls* were 5000 years old, just that the methods used to make them were that old (which may or may not be true--especially if they were made with 19th century machinery).
Those 5000-year-old methods probably include pecking, grinding, abrasion, sawing and drilling with abrasion, and polishing. Some of these have been known for 30,000 years. These are the same methods used throughout the Neolithic period. The ancient Egyptians used these methods for working hard minerals and they are the same methods used for working jade. However, these methods have continued in use and are still used today. Quartz can be abraded and polished with quartz sand (think of sandpaper or those big disks used for cutting through concrete). Just because the methods are old doesn't mean the objects are, too.
If they were passed down from other civilizations, what would those other civilizations be?
If you apply Occam's Razor to all the available evidence, the explanation that the oldest ones were made in Germany in the 19th century is the one that requires the fewest assumptions about unknowns. This is also when "scrying" or the use of crystal balls experienced renewed popularity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 9:00 AM>Those 5000-year-old methods probably include pecking, grinding, abrasion, sawing and drilling with abrasion, and polishing.<
i'd assume the technique you mentioned.. heating the quartz to liquid.. then pouring it into a mould shaped from a [human] skull.. would be more likely [o well that's what i'd do if i were making cosmic crystal skulls, put to sleep, for that day when phoenix flames call them by their names, 13 tones, 13 ways].. assuming liquid quartz solidifies upon cooling that is!
but are these skulls purely of crystal quartz?
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 10:32 AMThere's a big difference between quartz in crystal form and glass as a supercooled liquid. It is easy to tell the difference with optics because of the way light refracts thorugh the material. It's my understanding that the most famous crystal skulls are definitely not made of glass. However, I don't know if anyone has done a systematic study of "the 13" one often reads about (there are many more crystal skulls than just these). I don't know enough about glass manufacture to know if it can be done in the way that you describe. I think glass is far too brittle to be removed from the kind of mold that would be needed to make a skull.
Glass is different from liquid quartz.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass
It is a combination of silicon dioxide (the mineral from which quartz crystals are formed) and oxides or carbonates of sodium, calicium, lead, iron, and other elements. Simply melting quartz (which would require extremely hot temperatures) would not get you glass.
The Wikipedia entry provides some information on the history of making glass. The ancient Mayas used a lot of glass, but only in the natural form of obsidian, which comes from volcanoes. They worked it mostly by chipping to make blades and knives.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian
While there are modern obsidian skulls, I've never heard of any ancient ones.
www.healthstones.com/mineral...lls.html
Given the huge number of skulls being manufactured today from various minerals and sold worldwide, a well-documented archaeological context would be essential for supporting claims that any given skull is ancient and not recently made. Anyone (like Mitchell-Hedges) could buy a skull and then make up an elaborate story (which many people would believe) about where it came from. There have been so many well-documented hoaxes of ancient objects that it's reasonable to assume this about any out-of-place artifact.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 11:54 AMmoulds can be made from rubber........
>What would be the incentives for archaeologists' to deny any evidence for their use by the ancient Maya if it actually existed?<
it comes down to a person's agenda, or ethics, really. there would be plenty of archaeologists who would be intent on keeping such sacred findings to themselves. particularly self-serving believers in metaphysics.... or the paranormal. curses, secret codes.. aren't so potent when they're public property.
>It is a combination of silicon dioxide (the mineral from which quartz crystals are formed) and oxides or carbonates of sodium, calicium, lead, iron, and other elements. Simply melting quartz (which would require extremely hot temperatures) would not get you glass. <
are these skulls made of crystal or glass?
do you have any information on liquid crystal?
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 11:56 AMsorry the rubber mould was in reference to
<I think glass is far too brittle to be removed from the kind of mold that would be needed to make a skull. >
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 12:01 PMi just googled "crystal skulls""rubber mould" with 0 results
ok i want my 13 trillion dollars.
NOW.
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 1:46 PM"moulds can be made from rubber........"
Yes, but at the temperatures needed to liquefy glass, rubber burns up and makes a really nasty smell.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 3:38 PMAha! Sanity!
One of the books in my 30 odd 'tombes to be read' pile is this one:
www.amazon.com/Mystery-Cr.../1879181541
There are numerous references to the Mayan culture in the back.. I haven't read it yet though.. I'll bump it up the list.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:19 PMnick, that sounds like a great book that i too would like to read.....thanks for the link!
love!
kristine
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:52 PMYes, but Wikipedia also contains lots of good and reasonably accurate information, usually posted by people who receive no financial benefit from what they write (unlike the authors of the many popular books on these objects). It may not always be reliable, but then neither are trade paperbacks or supermarket tabloids or vendors at psychic fairs and metaphysical boutiques.
I don't have the references at hand that my students found and evaluated last year, but I'll try to locate them. They included published reports on scanning electron microscopy of the surfaces of some of the skulls, which showed cuts and abrasions and other surface marks consistent with modern manufacture. Of course, not all crystal skulls have been studied this way. How could that be possible, given that there are now probably thousands of examples out there?
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 6:04 PMHere's an interview about the Mitchell-Hedges skull (supposedly found in Belize) with archaeologist Jaime Awe:
www.7newsbelize.com/archive/...0508.html
Here's an article about scanning electron microscopy on the Smithsonian skull:
www.si.edu/opa/insidere...alSkulls.html
Here's a discussion about the skulls on James Randi's website:
forums.randi.org/showthread.php
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 6:15 PMthanks for taking the time to provide more credible links hoopes. i havent had a chance yet to read them yet but i appreciate the time you put into providing them.
this is what it says at the top of the wikipedia link you provided above:
This article needs additional references or sources for verification.
Please help to improve this article by adding reliable references.
Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed.
This article has been tagged since July 2007
my intention was not to get into a debate over the authenticity and dating of the skulls it was to find some insight into my vision, but now that we are going there, i am curious to find out more.
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:23 AMNo problem. I'm glad to know the links are helpful.
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:48 AMit was not in arabic or mayan, it looked just like we write it. -
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 4:39 PM(Arabic numbers are the ones on your keyboard. You write in Roman letters, too.)
The ancient Maya wrote the number 13 as three dots (1 + 1 + 1) next to or above two bars (5 + 5):
www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~h...gif
There's some debate over whether December 21, 2012 was written as 13.0.0.0.0 (13 baktuns, 0 katuns, 0 tuns, 0 uinals, and 0 k'ins) or as 0.0.0.0.0. The former implies a completion while the latter implies either a new start or a continuation, but it's not clear which would have been used. Personally, I prefer the continuation hypothesis..
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Moh's hardness scale
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 5:04 PMA good property in mineral identification is one that does not vary from specimen to specimen. In terms of reliability, hardness is one of the better physical properties for minerals. Specimens of the same mineral may vary slightly from one to another, but generally they are quite consistent. Inconsistencies occur when the specimen is impure, poorly crystallized, or actually an aggregate and not an individual crystal.
Hardness is one measure of the strength of the structure of the mineral relative to the strength of its chemical bonds. It is not the same as brittleness, which is another measure of strength, that is purely related to the structure of the mineral. Minerals with small atoms, packed tightly together with strong covalent bonds throughout tend to be the hardest minerals....
Hardness can be tested through scratching....French mineralogist Friedrich Mohs proposed (this) almost one hundred and seventy years ago. The Mohs Hardness Scale starting with talc at 1 and ending with diamond at 10, is universally used around the world as a way of distinguishing minerals. Simply put; the higher the number, the harder the mineral.
Below is an absolute hardness scale:
1 Talc
3 Gypsum
9 Calcite
21 Fluorite
48 Apatite
72 Orthoclase
100 Quartz
200 Topaz
400 Corundum
1600 Diamond
www.galleries.com/minerals/hardness.htm
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 10:01 PMi then see the number 13 that keeps flashing.........no matter how many times i look away, i look back and it is still there. towards the end of the session, i then see the number 2012 flashing. the feeling that there is one more crystal scull to be found in another pyramid kept popping in my head, and i had this feeling it was a pyramid in egypt.
hi kristine... i've had a similar vision under different circumstances (though meditative and directed). i have also spent time with sha na ra, it was a long time ago, back in '98. i don't personally feel there is any connection, but somewhere, maybe there is, it could be influential just by virtue of the meme. i saw the 13 skulls around a turn table clock sort of figure 8 mobius strip. it was huge, galactic in proportion, but this was in a vision, so it isn't tangible really, though i can still view it at any time, good thing for imagination! i also saw the number 2012 flashing, like a digital beacon. there was also a gate of sorts. but its what transpired afterward, after the vision and in my life overall that was a true miracle, for me. it didn't have to do with the year 2012, but a marker in transpersonal time. for me (and a few others i know), that "time" has already occured and isn't something that is going to happen later on 9though it may, i'm no official on the subject at large).
as i ventured to find what 2012 meant to me, personally, or spiritually i found some very simple and meaningful truths on the path that are a bit different than the focus of many 2012 groups hold in the line of hope. i say, meditate on the vision, continue to search and ask (a question will indeed arrive an answer, you should hear bells about then!) the answer is in you and it is significant to your vision... i believe... -
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 10:21 AMwow, thank you for sharing. when i saw the numbers, they looked like they would on a digital clock. it seems you also saw this, how amazing.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 1:31 AMHi Kris,
Thanks for sharing. Your vision is deeply meaningful, I can see, and I wonder, of course, were you aware of the significance of 2012 and 13 before this experience?
Most 2012ers, I think, realise the significance of 13 in relation to 2012 (see below):
“Mayan scholars have been attempting to correlate the Long Count with our Western Gregorian calendar, since the beginning of this century. There has been massive variation in the suggested correlations, but as early as 1905, Goodman suggested a correlation only 3 days from the most popular one today. Known as the GMT correlation, or "correlation # 584283", this was finalized in 1950, and puts the start of the Great Cycle ( day 0.0.0.0.0) on 11th August 3114 BC, and the end-date (known as 13.0.0.0.0.) as 21st December 2012.”
www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/1.htm#...alendar
So too the significance of the all seeing eye and its relevance to Masonic conspiracy theory? Were you aware prior to the trance?
If you have not come across this already at this site you will find the full occult interpretation of your vision and the significance of 13.
www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%...lar.htm
I, too, have synchronistic experiences and love to hear more...
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:47 AMhi e.......the most interesting thing is that i was not aware of the number 13 correlation to 2012 or did i know about any significance of the pyramid eye shape prior to the trance. i had heard and knew of the significance of 2012 and the mayans.
thanks for the links! i cant wait to read up on this when i have more time, i have a client arriving shortly.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 2:26 PMGalactic Synchronization; Jose Arguelles says in his book The Mayan Factor, the 5125-year Great Cycle marks Earth’s passage through a “ resonant frequency synchronisation beam”, which will prepare Earth and humanity for an ascension, or evolutionary leap to the next dimension.
this is exactly what the message my vision was giving me. i need to find this book.
that link was really informative, thank you so much it reassured alot of the things i was already thinking. more synchronicity! i love it.
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 5:02 PMHere's some additional information on the Great Seal:
www.greatseal.com
The emblem is said by some to have appeared on the U.S. dollar as the result of the work of Henry A. Wallace, FDR's Secretary of Agriculture. Wallace had an interest in mysticism and Eastern religions, and both he and FDR were active in Freemasonry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace
Wallace's correspondence with Russian mystic Nicholas Roerich in the 1930s created a scandal during the 1940 Presidential election. There seems to be a good chance that Roerich helped persuade Wallace (and through him, Roosevelt) to use the reverse of the Great Seal on the U.S. dollar. However, it's significant that the motto "Novus Ordo Seclorum" ("New Order of the Ages") also resonated with Roosevelt's slogan of the "New Deal".
Roerich is a fascinating character:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Roerich
www.roerich.org
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 5:19 PMi have been so fascinated by this post, and am curious about the ritual used to induce the trance...
i also wondered about the "beam" that was being sent into the crystal skull....maybe it could've been encoded with some kind of info, or awakened an invisible holographic image embedded in the skull...just the devil's advocate in me....altho' i'd much rather get into the concept that you were actually seeing a vision in relation to the crystal skull and the trance....
very cool images to contemplate...i am curious also, how is it you came to do this kind of exercise without much knowledge of 2012, the #13, or the pyramid-eye image?
care to share any more of your story with us? there is something about this thread, and the concept of the crystal skulls that i always find so utterly fascinating, like there is this huge mystery glinting right there that is waiting to be discovered.... -
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Fri, August 10, 2007 - 10:45 AMhello littleflower........i would love to elaborate a bit more. there was a group of about 300 people, we did not call in the directions, but the room was cleared prior to the meditation. the skull had a laser technology directed through it while music played, the music was very simple with different tones. the lasers colors would change throughout the meditation while they were also strobbing at times.
this technolgy was developed by kirby seid and is called liminal light crystal meditation technology. kirby is the co-keeper of sha na ra.
it also fascinates me that i really did not know much about these symbols prior to the meditation. i had no idea of the connection with 13 to 2012. i kept thinking that somehow 2+0+1+2 would add up to 13 and it just doesnt. i couldnt find the connection until someone in this tribe pointed it out.
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 10:50 AMi found more info on kirby...........
Kirby Seid
For the past 25 years, Kirby Seid has traveled the world for crystals, fossils and ancient artifacts with his mineral business and has taught crystal and light workshops and designed visionary tools for spiritual and healing practices and teachers. Kirby has a B.A. degree in psychology from UC Santa Cruz and teaches visionary Light Labyrinth workshops across the US, including seminars at Omega Institute in New York. He has been developing the Light Labyrinth Project in collaboration with artists and scientists who have worked with the Exploratorium in San Francisco and Apple Computer.
Main Conference Workshop
The Light Labyrinth
Journey through transcendent beauty with The Light Labyrinth, a powerful new technology combining spectacular crystals with exquisite computerized light programs. The Light Labyrinth combines shamanic wisdom, cutting edge light/mind technologies and ancient crystals to access shamanic meditative experiences. The Light Labyrinth incorporates nine sophisticated computer generated programs of dazzling light, color and strobe brainwave frequencies that are projected into the fractals, fissures and veils of spectacular quartz crystals and create dynamic visual effects that encourage shifts in consciousness. The Light Labyrinth and quartz crystals facilitate liminal states- the spaces between conscious and unconscious, like dreaming- to create illuminated pathways for inner exploration.
The Light Labyrinth with Music and Voice-Tone Visualizers utilize advanced light/mind technologies to help viewers break out of normal consciousness and access hypnogogic trance states for deep meditation, self-awareness and transformational experiences. The Light Labyrinth is a multidimensional Labyrinth, a guide to our own deepest center and back again. The Light Labyrinth Expanded incorporates over 270 super bright LED colored lights, 9 complex strobe frequency light form programs, Dream programs (non-strobing), and Alpha, Theta, Delta and variable frequency settings with a remote control for an exciting interactive experience.
The Music Visualizer creates an experience of synethesia, allowing viewers to see what they are hearing and sense patterns in music and sound they would not normally perceive. This creates a multisensory experience of sound and music and helps viewers observe the deeper, often hidden, patterns of music. The brilliant LED colors of the Light Labyrinth are each assigned a range of sound frequencies. The colors blend and dance to the ranges of sound frequency when played with any form of music for spectacular results. The color and light sensitivity to the sound frequency can be adjusted. This enables the Light Labyrinth viewer to fine-tune The Music Visualizer to a specific musical sensitivity. The Voice-Tone Visualizer allows for voice activation so that you can see the tones you are sounding! Each color is assigned a pure note tone for brilliant color activation. This allows the viewer to sing in color!
The quartz crystals we work with began evolving deep within the earth thousands of years ago, changing and growing at the same majestic pace as the planet itself. Geological forces acting upon these crystalline matrices of silicon dioxide produced multiple geometric effects - refractive planes, fissures, inclusions - within the landscape of each crystal. As The Light Labyrinths intense color streams highlight these historical markers, they become portals to other levels of awareness. We are invited upon a journey in which time stands still and galaxies expand. The ancient quartz crystals act as resonance amplifiers that reflect and translate energies to and from the brain and, when viewed with The Light Labyrinth, have helped viewers tap into accelerated learning/healing states and intuitions from the unseen.
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 12:21 PMngggk!
that sounds awesome, i wanna see sounds too.. do you have a link for this? did I miss it? sorry, feeling sleepy.
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 6:14 AMInteresting to note that with the Crystal skulls there is no room in the cranium for a brain.
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 6:40 AMjeri i think i read something about one that the top came off the head and there was a cavity in there with another crystal in it? Sorry cant remember where i read it, so much info here on the net one has to download the brain to move on to the next xxx
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 4:59 PMthanks for all the info Kristine...you have turned on a whole new can of rainbow worms here with your post!
this guy is doing stuff i used to dream up years ago....always wondering why we couldn't match up sound, music and light for consciousness shifting and healing capacites... -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 5:53 PMmind machines have been around for quite some time, ever try it? i have a procyon that is quite spectacular!
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 5:58 PMwww.mindmodulations.com/prod-p...ne.html
we hook this up to music, mostly ambient mind voyages. we can attach it to a tactile table:
vibroacoustic.org/
but you can make one, a friend of mine (the one whom i had the meeting with sha na ra actually at a conference here many moons ago) also did a copper grid system layout on his base table and its quite popular, and cheap.
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 6:44 PMthe difference is that there is strobing that is set at different rates to get you in the alpha, beta, theta states etc.... -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 8:05 PMbut that isn't different... they all can be set at various strobing frequencies to induce whatever brainwave state one wishes, and what depth of degree of altered consciousness. as a matter of fact, thats the point of any of them, other wise its just a light on.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Sun, August 12, 2007 - 8:56 AMAs we are in the beginning of a new year according to the Mayan long count calendar.
The Maya at one point used over 17 calendars which many believe were made know by one of the red bearded men on the bottom of it. So the 13 is to allow you to communicate that we are starting a new.
The eye means that yours will be opening forget how uses it remember what it means to you. All of us should be aware of the massive amounts of energy that is pour forth upon us now during the lions gate of 88
I hear the last part is a task for you to do by 2012 find the pyramid find your scull. You could mediate upon it until you do find it's 10:20 breaker nine!
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 9:28 AMcould you please explain more, i am new to this teminology........lions gate of 88 what is that? do you feel this is an internal thing or something for all of humanity. my 3rd eye is wide open........all these crystals i am surrounded by help so much in speeding up this awareness. i have the feeling this may be something larger than my own evolution of awareness.
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Re: crystal sculls and 2012
Sun, August 12, 2007 - 10:10 PMLion's Gate for 2007, which takes place from the 26th of July
to the 12th of August.
We are just finishing this energy pattern up now. you are also
entering into that new cycle of time that will take you into that moment
that the Mayans called "Cosmogenesis" , or the creation of a new Cosmic Day.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 4:12 PMThe Crystal Skull: Mystical, or Modern?
audio ( skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4098.mp3 )
It was 1926 when Anna Mitchell-Hedges, adoptive daughter of British adventurer and author Frederick Albert Mitchell-Hedges, was something of a real life Lara Croft. She was crawling through an ancient Mayan temple in Belize, long ago wrecked by the ages and the ravages of the encroaching jungle. Beneath a crumbled altar, she unearthed perhaps the most curious artifact from the ancient world: A perfectly clear crystal skull, expertly carved, and immaculately preserved, and about two thirds the size of a real skull. For nearly 30 years the Mitchell-Hedges family kept the crystal skull a secret, until F.A. Mitchell-Hedges mentioned it briefly in his book Danger My Ally. In this book he said the skull was 3,600 years old, and was used by Mayan priests to strike people dead by the force of their own will. After her father's death, Anna took this so-called "Skull of Doom" on tour throughout the world, and its strange powers became well known. Arthur C. Clarke even used the Mitchell-Hedges skull as the logo for his television series Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World. The fourth Indiana Jones movie is about a crystal skull with mystical qualities, and furthers the theme originally proposed by Mitchell-Hedges that crystal skulls are alien in origin, coming from Atlantis or Roswell or some alien world. In fact, practically every reference to a crystal skull over the past 40 years or so has usually been specifically about the Mitchell-Hedges skull.
Some believers in mystical energy feel that the crystal skulls have a broad range of powers. They can be used to aid in divination, in healing, and even psychic communication. Others claim that they have refractive properties unlike other crystals. They are said to remain at exactly 70 degrees no matter what temperature they are exposed to. They possess spiritual auras that can be photographed. Some even speculate that when all the crystal skulls are brought together, it will bring about the end of the world.
Now, I'm reluctant to burst anyone's bubble, but before going further it's necessary to clear up a few misconceptions. The Mitchell-Hedges skull is not quite 3,600 years old, and Mitchell-Hedges found it a little closer to home than Belize. In fact, he bought it from Sydney Burney, a London art dealer, through a Sotheby's auction on October 15, 1943, as determined in hard black and white by investigator Joe Nickell and others. This explains why neither Mitchell-Hedges nor his daughter ever said anything about it following their alleged 1926 discovery. They had never heard of it, until they bought it 18 years later, and then invented their Mayan altar story.
So this Sydney Burney character, perhaps he was the one who actually found the skull in a Mayan ruin, and traced its history back to the Atlanteans? Well, there is additional hard evidence that Burney owned the skull as far back as 1933, because he wrote a letter about it to the American Museum of Natural History, which they still have. Three years later, the British anthropological journal Man published an article about Burney's skull, and this 1936 article remains the earliest known documentation of any crystal skull.
It seems clear, but has never been never proven, that Burney bought the skull from French collector Eugene Boban. The timing was right; the two men knew each other; and Boban is known to have sold at least two other crystal skulls about the same time Burney acquired his. If Mitchell-Hedges was the real Indiana Jones, Eugene Boban was the real Belloq. He was even French. And, like Belloq, he didn't actually go into the jungle tombs personally to acquire his artifacts. In Boban's case, he simple purchased them in bulk from the manufacturer. This time, the manufacturer was Germany's so-called "capital of the gemstone industry" Idar and Oberstein, a bucolic hamlet where artisans and craftsmen chip away at semi-precious stones in their workshops like so many Gepettos. In the 1870's, craftsmen in Idar and Oberstein made a large purchase of quartz crystals from Brazil, from which to make carvings. Nobody has ever found documented proof, but at about the time the Idar and Oberstein craftsmen were selling their cunningly carved art objects of Brazilian quartz, Eugene Boban left from there with at least three, and possibly as many as thirteen, freshly carved skulls made from Brazilian quartz. Any connection you choose to draw is purely speculative. According to documents found by Jane Walsh, a Smithsonian archivist, Boban sold one of his skulls to Tiffany's in New York City, which in turn sold it to the British Museum in 1897. Boban sold a second skull to a collector who then donated it to the Museum of Man in Paris.
For decades, the British Museum and the Museum of Man displayed their crystal skulls with the provenances originally provided by Eugene Boban, which was that the skulls came from pre-Columbian Aztec origin. But then, in separate studies in the 1990's, both the British Museum and the Smithsonian examined a number of crystal skulls, including all of those in museum collections attributed to Eugene Boban. Analysis of the cut and polish marks by electron microscope proved that they were made using 19th century rotary cutting tools, identical to those in use in Idar and Oberstein at that time. The British Museum now lists their skull as "probably European, 19th century," and "not an authentic pre-Columbian artifact."
The Paris skull, also from Boban, was subjected to even better tests in 2008, confirming that its polishing was done using modern tools. In addition, particle accelerator tests found traces of water used during the cutting and polishing, occluded within the quartz, that positively dated the carving to between 1867 and 1886.
Neither the Mitchell-Hedges nor their skull's current owner, family friend Bill Homann, ever allowed the Mitchell-Hedges skull to be tested with modern equipment; nor have any of the owners of other famous crystal skulls like the one called Max in Texas. The privately owned skulls now confine themselves to touring to mysticism conventions, New Age hotbeds like Sedona, and charging for private viewings and sessions. So far as I've been able to find, no private crystal skull owner has ever allowed controlled tests of their claims of any mystical powers they say their skull has. If they'd like to, this is my personal guarantee to fast-track them to the James Randi Educational Foundation's million dollar prize.
There is enough of a gap in the early history of the Mitchell-Hedges skull that we cannot absolutely trace its lineage from the Idar and Oberstein workshops in the 1870's to the hands of Sydney Burney in 1933. Everything known about the skull is consistent with that history, and no evidence has ever been presented that the skull might have any other origin. There is the Mitchell-Hedges' own story of having found the skull in their pulp-fiction Mayan tomb adventure, but that story has been conclusively proven to be a fabrication by documentation from Sotheby's and Burney.
All of this makes it rather difficult to form an opinion about the mystical powers of crystal skulls. If these powers are attributed to their Mayan, Atlantean, or alien origin, then that attribution is conclusively false, but that doesn't mean the mystical power itself doesn't exist. The first thing the claimants would need to do is articulate exactly what the supernatural power is, and then demonstrate it under controlled conditions. Neither of these has ever been done, so a truly critical analysis has nothing to advance it beyond a null hypothesis. And so there we have it: All known crystal skulls are of modern origin, with no unusual properties, and no coherent or testable claims of anything out of the ordinary. Indiana Jones might make great entertainment, but it makes poor archaelogical history. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:01 PM"And so there we have it: All known crystal skulls are of modern origin, with no unusual properties, and no coherent or testable claims of anything out of the ordinary. Indiana Jones might make great entertainment, but it makes poor archaelogical history."
you speak as if your word and opinion is indeed fact? or is this copied and pasted from the skeptoid website? its hard to tell where your writing starts and ends....
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 4:56 PMwhoa, i cant believe i missed that blog when you originally posted it.....i intuitively have been calling myself a rainbow warrior for peace :) awesome share kp. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 2:07 AMNative American Rainbow Warrior Prophecy
people.tribe.net/knowledge...1e244c53d9
Yeah, a friend of mine woke up and heard Rainbow Warrior. It was years later he found out what it meant.
Regarding whether crystal skulls are new or fake... "It's a true mystery because we do not know how many skulls are truly ancient and how many are carved recently, because most crystals cannot be carbon dated." - From my Indiana Jones post - people.tribe.net/knowledge...0c205cba58
I'm always wary of anyone who states theory or opinion as fact. I don't know whether or not any crystal skulls were found in ancient temples, I know that it what I have heard. I don't know whether the prophecy of 13 skulls coming together to reveal knowledge that will help save us is true, but I know that is what I have read. I don't know if this was a myth made to sell books, an allegory made to teach humanity or a fact shared to help humanity.
Whatever the truth is my advice is to love with all your heart and be joyous with it. The rest doesn't matter, if you're emanating a the right vibration you'll be in the right place at the right time anyway.
But I'm always wary of anyone who states theory or opinion as fact, I guess I gotta love them too ;-)
I was in the Tasmanian ainforest telling my friend how maybe some rainbow warriors never attend a rainbow gathering but do attend activist blockades. Part of the prophecy states that they will work for mother earth using only the force of peace - passive direct action? When I finished telling her during the silence a huge, beautiful, turquoise butterfly flew right over my belly where I was lying down, and landed right on her wrist. It stayed there long enough for us to gasp and then it flew away.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:09 AMThe Native Americans have a prophecy about 13 Crystal Skulls containing knowledge that will heal the world scattered across the planet. <<
I read your blog. What "native americans" have this prophecy?
I think the word "native" ought to be dropped off this title by now.
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NORTH AMERICAN INDIAN (HOPI) PROPHECIES
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:38 AMTalk Given by Lee Brown,
1986 Continental Indigenous Council,
Tanana Valley Fairgrounds,
Fairbanks, Alaska
www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/...cies.html
an old lady from the "Cree" tribe, named "Eyes of Fire,"
oceanshaman.blogspot.com/2007/...f.html
Lelanie is a professional nurse, artist, columnist, teacher and author. An "NGED" Cherokee-American, she has written and published seven books relating to her Native American Heritage. Lelanie, known by most people as the "Cherokee Lady", began publishing her works in 1991, encouraged by fellow artists, family and friends. Lelanie has worked for over 25 years in many areas of the medical profession, from intensive care to managing a medical program for a Tulsa-based corporation with over 234 offices in the U.S. and 43 bases over-seas.
Navajo and the Hopi
www.manataka.org/page495.html
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:04 PMafter also waking up with the info about being a rainbow warrior, synchronicity showed me martin jondo and the rainbow warrior song....martin jondo plays alot with gentleman (one of my favorite reggae artists, his words are powerful like yours kp....)
rainbow warrior/martin jondo
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 8:20 PMthe mitchell-hedges skull will be performing in sedona during solstice: www.stellarproductionslive.com
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 8:22 PMheres an image of sedona and skull in sedona last trip: www.mitchell-hedges.com/wp-con...ona.jpg
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 8:25 PMsha na ra was just in town last night where i work www.wiseawakening.com (bellingham) -
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 10:06 AMoh! i went to bellingham high school... the place sure has changed i've heard, since the 80's...
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 6:06 AM"Regarding whether crystal skulls are new or fake... 'It's a true mystery because we do not know how many skulls are truly ancient and how many are carved recently, because most crystals cannot be carbon dated.'"
There are lots of other ways to date ancient objects. The main way that the crystal skulls have been dated is through careful examination of their surfaces by scanning electron microscopy. There are many known and well-dated (through stylistic comparisons and finds in contexts dated by radiocarbon and other methods) examples of Precolumbian objects carved from quartz, jade, and other similar hard minerals. There are also many known and well-dated (through historical records) examples of art objects made from quartz by European artisans of the late 19th century.
Under a microscope, Precolumbian objects and 19th century European objects show very different patterns of manufacure and polish. Precolumbian objects, made by hand, show more short, circular polishing marks and lots of irregularity in the widths of cuts and abrasions made by non-uniform sand/abrasive particles. Modern European objects, made with machines and industrial-grade abrasives, show long, linear polishing marks (made with power tools) and lots of uniformity in the widths of cuts and abrasions made by uniform abrasives.
Careful examination of the best-known crystal skulls shows that the cuts and abrasion marks are unlike those of other Precolumbian artifacts but identical to those of modern European ones.
While they can't be dated directly using radiocarbon, these comparisons suggest the skulls are modern fakes. Sort of like determining that an "ancient" textile was made of polyester. You don't need a direct date to know there's something fishy about that.
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 7:04 AM“see the clear shape of a pyramid with an eye on the top of it, at the back end of his head. the eyeball was placed exactly where your third eye is on the back side of your head. i blink, look away and look back at it.....it is still there. i then see the number 13 that keeps flashing.........no matter how many times i look away..
so i just recently started to do a little bit of research into the pyramid and eyeball image, its the same one depicted on the us dollar. what i have read is that is symbolizes the new world order. “
Wow - great to see this thread back on top. I was just watching this film Riddles in Stone - Secret Architecture of Washington DC, video.google.com/videoplay which explores the Masonic influence on the captital. It has a great run down of the number 13 in Masonic theory. 13 is apparently all over the great seal of the dollar bill. (No wonder it kept flashing!)
In addition to the 13 levels of the pyramid on which the all seeing eye rests:
*13 leaves in the olive branches
*13 stripes and bars in the shield
*13 arrows clutched in the eagles talons
*13 feathers in the eagles tail
*13 stars in the hexagram above the eagle’s head
*13 letters in the phrase E Pluribus Unum
*13 letters in the phrase ANNUIT COEPTUS
It’s a long film - nearly 3 hours. They get into the 13 stuff around 1.53.30
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 10:16 AMthis pyramid was connected at the top tho, not seperated like on the dollar....i feel it was showing that 2012 will be the new age order of peace for all. it seems like the planetary allignment that will be happening right then, is happening for us to tap into and magnify our manifestations of peace, love and unity. -
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 4:54 AM>this pyramid was connected at the top tho, not seperated like on the dollar<
Kris,
Throughout history it has been said that the ‘capstone’ to the great pyramid at Egypt has been missing which is why the all-seeing eye of Horus above its place at the back of the dollar bill.
video.google.com/videoplay
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 8:07 AMthanks for the info 39! yes i am in washington, but washington state on a tiny island :) i am closer to vancouver bc.....
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