crystal sculls and 2012

topic posted Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:09 AM by 
hi all, i am new to this tribe, and i have a story to share.

a few months back, i was at a crystal conference and had a chance to meditate with sha na ra, a crystal skull that was found in some mayan ruins. well, the person caretaking the skull has developed a laser light program that has been developed by him with the help of neuroscientists to take you into a trance state. he projects the different laser colors through the skull. soooooooo, we all do a group meditation with sha na ra. i gaze into him, and very soon after that i see the clear shape of a pyramid with an eye on the top of it, at the back end of his head. the eyeball was placed exactly where your third eye is on the back side of your head. i blink, look away and look back at it.....it is still there. i then see the number 13 that keeps flashing.........no matter how many times i look away, i look back and it is still there. towards the end of the session, i then see the number 2012 flashing. the feeling that there is one more crystal scull to be found in another pyramid kept popping in my head, and i had this feeling it was a pyramid in egypt.

so i just recently started to do a little bit of research into the pyramid and eyeball image, its the same one depicted on the us dollar. what i have read is that is symbolizes the new world order.

i would love to hear any of your insights into this vivid vision i have experienced.

love!
kristine
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  • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

    Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:22 AM
    I would strongly suggest you look at the program that is driving the lasers. It is very easy to send images and data through lasers. I would suggest that you take the meditation as art, similar, or even the same as the ancient rites of old. They had good messages to teach, but they used masks, painting, costumes, drugs, and sound to take a inductee into a place where they could see god/hermes/isis/etc....
    • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

      Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:23 AM
      if in fact, you can prove that the lasers were not being driven with images and data, and they were revealing hidden holograms, then I would be very very excited! I think it is possible, that the skulls could have been made by an ancient lost technology.
      • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

        Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:00 PM
        "I think it is possible, that the skulls could have been made by an ancient lost technology."

        This seems unlikely if the OP saw the numbers 13 and 2012--Ancient Mayans had different nomenclature (is that the right word?) and calendar. 2012 is only the corresponding date.
        • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

          Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:20 PM
          hi teresa, did you get a chance to go to the link i provided? just wondering.

          love!
          kristine
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            Re: crystal sculls and 2012

            Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:50 PM
            hi kristine wowow! that sounds like a fully phenomenal happening.. i wish i could have seen it. i wondered like teresa about the 'format' but like you said, nobody had the same experience. so the skull might for each person just prompt a unique revelation.. recognition..

            also the 13 might have something to do with the Cosmic, last, tone in mayan astrology..?
            • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

              Wed, August 8, 2007 - 2:02 PM
              also the 13 might have something to do with the Cosmic, last, tone in mayan astrology..?

              hi id, would you be able to elaborate on this one for me? this is extremely fascinating to me and would like to find out as much as i can.

              thanks so much!
              love!
              kristine
        • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

          Wed, August 8, 2007 - 3:40 PM
          The Mayan calendar was started 400000 years ago, but may have been created 2000 years ago.. Never the less, the stars, and moon would not be much different back 400000 years ago, so 13 months and all that still would mean something, but the 2012 thing.... What if we are wrong about the translation of the mayan caledar into gregorian?
          • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

            Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:32 PM
            yeah, shadoan.........i dont know what to think about this, i just cant ignore the synchronicities of it all. it is pretty incredible that the specific year 2012 was shown to me, and its connection with the 3rd eye and pyramid and its connection with a new world as we will know it (not to mention the skull was found in a mayan ruin). it is such a magical experience. kirby the caretaker of sha na ra told me that no body else has seen the same vision that i had with the skull that he knows of. i cant help but think that in the year 2012 of our calendar, it will be a new begining of peace and higher vibrations and a "new ideal world" a jump into the next consciousness. it is obvious in the last year at least to me that, alot of us are raising our vibrations and moving into other dimensions on a mass scale. we are experiencing the begining of this higher evolution right now. new crystals are being revealed in the earth right now that are tools for us to tap into this energy. it is no coincidence, the earth knows when to give us these tools. i am just so grateful to be a part of it all.

            thanks for listening

            love!
            kristine
    • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

      Wed, August 8, 2007 - 9:32 AM
      shadoan, thanks for your insights.......i have taken a look at the program and have talked with the person who developed it, and through my strong intuition feel he is coming from his heart, and only has positive intentions. there were over 300 people at the conference, and we shared our stories, no two people had the same experience.

      love!
      kristine
      • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

        Wed, August 8, 2007 - 1:52 PM
        I find it fascinating that the Mayan obsession with decapitation has been reborn in this time of radical change (just like in revolutionary France).

        And the Crystal Skulls are being unearthed world wide.

        Hmm.
  • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

    Wed, August 8, 2007 - 2:42 PM
    Yes and it's nice to hear that something like this worked for you.

    However, no crystal skull (or even a fragment of one) has ever been found in a scientifically documented archaeological context at any known Maya site. That is, there is no archaeological evidence that that ancient Maya ever made or used crystal skulls.

    Careful research suggests that the best-known crystal skulls, including the Mitchell-Hedges crystal skull, one in the British Museum, and one in the Museé de l'Homme were all manufactured in Germany in the 19th century. Others are also probably of modern manufacture.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull

    If you'd like more references, I'll be happy to provide them.
    • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

      Wed, August 8, 2007 - 2:59 PM
      please do, wikipedia is the least reliable source of information i have seen on the net. anyone can post undocumentated info on there.

      did you see the list on the link i provided?

      thanks

      love!
      kristine
      • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

        Wed, August 8, 2007 - 3:13 PM
        www.atlantisrising.com/issue1...ll.html

        sorry, the list isnt what i was talking about, it is the above link. at the end it goes into some relevant details.

        love!
        kristine
        • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

          Wed, August 8, 2007 - 3:26 PM
          "A documentary was produced of the tests by the BBC. The results were shocking to the museum staff. It was determined that the British skull and the Smithsonian skull were not ancient, but in fact carved using very contemporary methods from the 1800s. Sha-Na-Ra and Max were also examined. While the officials of the museum would not publicly comment as to the results, it was confidentially revealed, by the antiquity expert brought to the museum by its officials, that the method used to carve Max and Sha-Na-Ra, was used more than 5000 years ago! The skull in the British museum was a fake. The Smithsonian skull was a fake. The Mitchell-Hedges skull? Well, we wonder why Anna declined. Her only comment was that it had been tested enough in the past. The BBC aired their documentary in July, 1996 and will be aired by U.S. television, however, no date has yet been set. In a letter to me from Everyman Productions, in London, it was reported by the BBC that they had never aired a program in this series with a larger audience."

          this is the part i was referring to.

          love!
          kristine
          • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

            Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:41 PM
            "Sha-Na-Ra and Max were also examined. While the officials of the museum would not publicly comment as to the results, it was confidentially revealed, by the antiquity expert brought to the museum by its officials, that the method used to carve Max and Sha-Na-Ra, was used more than 5000 years ago!"

            Yes, but I'd need some more details on this one. Confidentially revealed? Antiquity expert? Why all the secrecy? Who's the expert? What's the method? Lots of methods were used for working hard stones more than 5000 years ago, including pecking and grinding and drilling, so that really doesn't mean anything at all. It certainly doesn't imply that any crystal skulls were made 5000 years ago.

            This article has a little more information, but it's one of many:

            www.skepdic.com/crystalskull.html

            If the ancient Maya made crystal skulls, why have archaeologists found no skulls made of obsidian? This material was much more common than rock crystal, and had a special place in Maya religion. Why no jade skulls? Jade is just as hard to work as quartz (they have the same hardness). The ancient Maya made many objects of jade, which also had deep significance for them. Why no skulls? Generally, where there's a speciric technology and iconography, it's found in a variety of materials. Why aren't there skulls made from basalt, calcite, or other minerals? Archaeological contexts usually have examples of stages of manufacture, unfinished objects, and broken objects. These are known for many different kinds of materials and objects, but none of these exist for the crystal skulls. It's a lot easier to make a crystal ball than a crystal skull. Why didn't the ancient Maya make crystal balls? We know an enormous amount of archaeological information about the ancient Maya. Why has no archaeologist ever found a trace of a crystal skull at a Maya site?

            That said, crystal skulls are pretty cool. There are lots of places where you can buy one online.

            I'll try to find some published references. A group of students in my "Archaeological Myths & Realities" class did their end-of-semester research presentation on crystal skulls. They concluded that the skulls are probably all modern artifacts.
            • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

              Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:59 PM
              i feel that they utilized quartz since it is specific for holding and storing information, jade does not do this, and if they are 5000 years old that predates them to the mayan time. they could of been passed down from other civilizations.

              just a thought. thanks for your insights........

              love!
              kristine
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                Re: crystal sculls and 2012

                Thu, August 9, 2007 - 4:41 AM
                i thought quartz was petrified water.. or at least 'seen' as such
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                  Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:29 AM
                  Nope. Both quartz and water (in solid form) have crystalline structures. "Petrified" water is ice, which is different from quartz. Both quartz crystals and ice crystals can have generally similar appearances, but they have some fundamental differences.

                  If you heat quartz to a high enough temperature (with some other elements as fluxes mixed in), you can make glass (a supercooled liquid.)

                  If you heat ice, you get liquid water.

                  Pretty cool.
              • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

                Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:42 AM
                To clarify again, the quotation didn't say that the *skulls* were 5000 years old, just that the methods used to make them were that old (which may or may not be true--especially if they were made with 19th century machinery).

                Those 5000-year-old methods probably include pecking, grinding, abrasion, sawing and drilling with abrasion, and polishing. Some of these have been known for 30,000 years. These are the same methods used throughout the Neolithic period. The ancient Egyptians used these methods for working hard minerals and they are the same methods used for working jade. However, these methods have continued in use and are still used today. Quartz can be abraded and polished with quartz sand (think of sandpaper or those big disks used for cutting through concrete). Just because the methods are old doesn't mean the objects are, too.

                If they were passed down from other civilizations, what would those other civilizations be?

                If you apply Occam's Razor to all the available evidence, the explanation that the oldest ones were made in Germany in the 19th century is the one that requires the fewest assumptions about unknowns. This is also when "scrying" or the use of crystal balls experienced renewed popularity.

                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying

                There is very little evidence that the ancient Maya practiced scrying, but it would be nice to have some.
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                  Re: crystal sculls and 2012

                  Thu, August 9, 2007 - 9:00 AM
                  >Those 5000-year-old methods probably include pecking, grinding, abrasion, sawing and drilling with abrasion, and polishing.<

                  i'd assume the technique you mentioned.. heating the quartz to liquid.. then pouring it into a mould shaped from a [human] skull.. would be more likely [o well that's what i'd do if i were making cosmic crystal skulls, put to sleep, for that day when phoenix flames call them by their names, 13 tones, 13 ways].. assuming liquid quartz solidifies upon cooling that is!

                  but are these skulls purely of crystal quartz?
                  are they each the same?
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                    Re: crystal sculls and 2012

                    Thu, August 9, 2007 - 10:32 AM
                    There's a big difference between quartz in crystal form and glass as a supercooled liquid. It is easy to tell the difference with optics because of the way light refracts thorugh the material. It's my understanding that the most famous crystal skulls are definitely not made of glass. However, I don't know if anyone has done a systematic study of "the 13" one often reads about (there are many more crystal skulls than just these). I don't know enough about glass manufacture to know if it can be done in the way that you describe. I think glass is far too brittle to be removed from the kind of mold that would be needed to make a skull.

                    Glass is different from liquid quartz.

                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass

                    It is a combination of silicon dioxide (the mineral from which quartz crystals are formed) and oxides or carbonates of sodium, calicium, lead, iron, and other elements. Simply melting quartz (which would require extremely hot temperatures) would not get you glass.

                    The Wikipedia entry provides some information on the history of making glass. The ancient Mayas used a lot of glass, but only in the natural form of obsidian, which comes from volcanoes. They worked it mostly by chipping to make blades and knives.

                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian

                    While there are modern obsidian skulls, I've never heard of any ancient ones.

                    www.healthstones.com/mineral...lls.html

                    Given the huge number of skulls being manufactured today from various minerals and sold worldwide, a well-documented archaeological context would be essential for supporting claims that any given skull is ancient and not recently made. Anyone (like Mitchell-Hedges) could buy a skull and then make up an elaborate story (which many people would believe) about where it came from. There have been so many well-documented hoaxes of ancient objects that it's reasonable to assume this about any out-of-place artifact.

                    I'm sure you can appreciate that that there are many strong incentives for making false claims about a crystal skull. What would be the incentives for archaeologists' to deny any evidence for their use by the ancient Maya if it actually existed?
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                      Re: crystal sculls and 2012

                      Thu, August 9, 2007 - 11:54 AM
                      moulds can be made from rubber........

                      >What would be the incentives for archaeologists' to deny any evidence for their use by the ancient Maya if it actually existed?<

                      it comes down to a person's agenda, or ethics, really. there would be plenty of archaeologists who would be intent on keeping such sacred findings to themselves. particularly self-serving believers in metaphysics.... or the paranormal. curses, secret codes.. aren't so potent when they're public property.

                      >It is a combination of silicon dioxide (the mineral from which quartz crystals are formed) and oxides or carbonates of sodium, calicium, lead, iron, and other elements. Simply melting quartz (which would require extremely hot temperatures) would not get you glass. <

                      are these skulls made of crystal or glass?
                      do you have any information on liquid crystal?
                      does it solidify upon cooling? [assuming the had the means back then to find/make/use heat of extremely hot temperatures]
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                        Re: crystal sculls and 2012

                        Thu, August 9, 2007 - 11:56 AM
                        sorry the rubber mould was in reference to

                        <I think glass is far too brittle to be removed from the kind of mold that would be needed to make a skull. >

                        i'm still confused.. about your using the term glass. liquid crystalcumsolid isn't called glass is it?
      • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

        Wed, August 8, 2007 - 5:52 PM
        Yes, but Wikipedia also contains lots of good and reasonably accurate information, usually posted by people who receive no financial benefit from what they write (unlike the authors of the many popular books on these objects). It may not always be reliable, but then neither are trade paperbacks or supermarket tabloids or vendors at psychic fairs and metaphysical boutiques.

        I don't have the references at hand that my students found and evaluated last year, but I'll try to locate them. They included published reports on scanning electron microscopy of the surfaces of some of the skulls, which showed cuts and abrasions and other surface marks consistent with modern manufacture. Of course, not all crystal skulls have been studied this way. How could that be possible, given that there are now probably thousands of examples out there?
      • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

        Wed, August 8, 2007 - 6:04 PM
        Here's an interview about the Mitchell-Hedges skull (supposedly found in Belize) with archaeologist Jaime Awe:

        www.7newsbelize.com/archive/...0508.html

        Here's an article about scanning electron microscopy on the Smithsonian skull:

        www.si.edu/opa/insidere...alSkulls.html

        Here's a discussion about the skulls on James Randi's website:

        forums.randi.org/showthread.php

        • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

          Wed, August 8, 2007 - 6:15 PM
          thanks for taking the time to provide more credible links hoopes. i havent had a chance yet to read them yet but i appreciate the time you put into providing them.


          this is what it says at the top of the wikipedia link you provided above:

          This article needs additional references or sources for verification.
          Please help to improve this article by adding reliable references.
          Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed.
          This article has been tagged since July 2007

          my intention was not to get into a debate over the authenticity and dating of the skulls it was to find some insight into my vision, but now that we are going there, i am curious to find out more.

          thanks again

          love!
          kristine
          • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

            Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:23 AM
            No problem. I'm glad to know the links are helpful.

            I'm curious. Are the numbers you're seeing written using Arabic or Maya notation?
            • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

              Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:48 AM
              it was not in arabic or mayan, it looked just like we write it.
              • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

                Thu, August 9, 2007 - 4:39 PM
                (Arabic numbers are the ones on your keyboard. You write in Roman letters, too.)

                The ancient Maya wrote the number 13 as three dots (1 + 1 + 1) next to or above two bars (5 + 5):

                www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~h...gif

                There's some debate over whether December 21, 2012 was written as 13.0.0.0.0 (13 baktuns, 0 katuns, 0 tuns, 0 uinals, and 0 k'ins) or as 0.0.0.0.0. The former implies a completion while the latter implies either a new start or a continuation, but it's not clear which would have been used. Personally, I prefer the continuation hypothesis..
        • Moh's hardness scale

          Thu, August 9, 2007 - 5:04 PM
          A good property in mineral identification is one that does not vary from specimen to specimen. In terms of reliability, hardness is one of the better physical properties for minerals. Specimens of the same mineral may vary slightly from one to another, but generally they are quite consistent. Inconsistencies occur when the specimen is impure, poorly crystallized, or actually an aggregate and not an individual crystal.
          Hardness is one measure of the strength of the structure of the mineral relative to the strength of its chemical bonds. It is not the same as brittleness, which is another measure of strength, that is purely related to the structure of the mineral. Minerals with small atoms, packed tightly together with strong covalent bonds throughout tend to be the hardest minerals....

          Hardness can be tested through scratching....French mineralogist Friedrich Mohs proposed (this) almost one hundred and seventy years ago. The Mohs Hardness Scale starting with talc at 1 and ending with diamond at 10, is universally used around the world as a way of distinguishing minerals. Simply put; the higher the number, the harder the mineral.

          Below is an absolute hardness scale:

          1 Talc
          3 Gypsum
          9 Calcite
          21 Fluorite
          48 Apatite
          72 Orthoclase
          100 Quartz
          200 Topaz
          400 Corundum
          1600 Diamond

          www.galleries.com/minerals/hardness.htm
  • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

    Wed, August 8, 2007 - 10:01 PM
    i then see the number 13 that keeps flashing.........no matter how many times i look away, i look back and it is still there. towards the end of the session, i then see the number 2012 flashing. the feeling that there is one more crystal scull to be found in another pyramid kept popping in my head, and i had this feeling it was a pyramid in egypt.

    hi kristine... i've had a similar vision under different circumstances (though meditative and directed). i have also spent time with sha na ra, it was a long time ago, back in '98. i don't personally feel there is any connection, but somewhere, maybe there is, it could be influential just by virtue of the meme. i saw the 13 skulls around a turn table clock sort of figure 8 mobius strip. it was huge, galactic in proportion, but this was in a vision, so it isn't tangible really, though i can still view it at any time, good thing for imagination! i also saw the number 2012 flashing, like a digital beacon. there was also a gate of sorts. but its what transpired afterward, after the vision and in my life overall that was a true miracle, for me. it didn't have to do with the year 2012, but a marker in transpersonal time. for me (and a few others i know), that "time" has already occured and isn't something that is going to happen later on 9though it may, i'm no official on the subject at large).
    as i ventured to find what 2012 meant to me, personally, or spiritually i found some very simple and meaningful truths on the path that are a bit different than the focus of many 2012 groups hold in the line of hope. i say, meditate on the vision, continue to search and ask (a question will indeed arrive an answer, you should hear bells about then!) the answer is in you and it is significant to your vision... i believe...
  • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

    Thu, August 9, 2007 - 1:31 AM
    Hi Kris,

    Thanks for sharing. Your vision is deeply meaningful, I can see, and I wonder, of course, were you aware of the significance of 2012 and 13 before this experience?

    Most 2012ers, I think, realise the significance of 13 in relation to 2012 (see below):

    “Mayan scholars have been attempting to correlate the Long Count with our Western Gregorian calendar, since the beginning of this century. There has been massive variation in the suggested correlations, but as early as 1905, Goodman suggested a correlation only 3 days from the most popular one today. Known as the GMT correlation, or "correlation # 584283", this was finalized in 1950, and puts the start of the Great Cycle ( day 0.0.0.0.0) on 11th August 3114 BC, and the end-date (known as 13.0.0.0.0.) as 21st December 2012.”
    www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/1.htm#...alendar

    So too the significance of the all seeing eye and its relevance to Masonic conspiracy theory? Were you aware prior to the trance?

    If you have not come across this already at this site you will find the full occult interpretation of your vision and the significance of 13.
    www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%...lar.htm

    I, too, have synchronistic experiences and love to hear more...

    Ciao
    • Re: crystal sculls and 2012

      Thu, August 9, 2007 - 8:47 AM
      hi e.......the most interesting thing is that i was not aware of the number 13 correlation to 2012 or did i know about any significance of the pyramid eye shape prior to the trance. i had heard and knew of the significance of 2012 and the mayans.

      thanks for the links! i cant wait to read