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Extracts from 'Fingerprints of The Gods', by Graham Hancock, Mandarin Paperbacks, 1996
'Surely the most impressive and scholarly piece of work on the subject ever produced ... I suspect this book will come to be regarded as one of the intellectual landmarks of this decade.' - Literary Review
Note, Graham Hancock quotes many sources in this book. In the extracts below, Hancock quotes from: 'South American Mythology', by H. Osborne, and, 'An Introduction to the Study of Maya Hieroglyphs', by S. G. Morley.
VIRACOCHA - Description
Page 51 ....
A bearded man of medium height, dressed in a rather long cloak ... He was past his prime, with grey hair, and lean. He walked with a staff, and addressed the natives with love, calling them his sons and daughters. As he traversed all the land, he worked miracles. He healed the sick by touch. He spoke every tongue even better than the natives. They called him Thunupa or Tarpaca, Viracocha-ripacha, or Pachaccan ...
-- Graham Hancock
QUETZALCOATL - Description
Page 109 ....
'... the bearded, white-skinned deity named Quetzalcoatl, who was believed to have sailed to Mexico from across the seas in remote antiquity. Quetzalcoatl was credited with the invention of the advanced mathematical and calendrical formulae that the Maya were later to use to calculate the date of doomsday. He also bore a striking resemblance to Viracocha, the pale god of the Andes, who came to Tiahuanaco 'in the time of darkness' bearing the gifts of light and civilization.'
-- South American Mythology, H. Osborne, Hamlyn, 1968, page 74
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QUETZALCOATL - His Return
Pages 111/112 ....
'The great god Kukulkan, or Feathered Serpent, was the Mayan counterpart of the Aztec Quetzalcoatl, the Mexican god of light, learning and culture. In the Maya pantheon he was regarded as having been the great organiser, the founder of cities, the former of laws and the teacher of the calendar. Indeed his attributes and life history are so human that it is not improbable that he may have been an actual historical character, some great lawgiver and organizer, the memory of whose benefactions lasted long after death, and whose personality was eventually deified.'
-- An Introduction to the Study of Maya Hieroglyphs, S. G. Morley, Dover, 175
All the legends stated unambiguously that Quetzalcoatl / Kukulkan / Gucumatz / Votan / Izamana had arrived in Central America from somewhere very far away (across the 'Eastern Sea') and that amid great sadness he had eventually sailed off again in the direction whence he had come.
The legends added that he had promised solemnly that HE WOULD RETURN ONE DAY - a clear echo of Viracocha it would be almost perverse to ascribe to coincidence.
-- Graham Hancock
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Extracts from 'Fingerprints of The Gods', by Graham Hancock, Mandarin Paperbacks, 1996
'Surely the most impressive and scholarly piece of work on the subject ever produced ... I suspect this book will come to be regarded as one of the intellectual landmarks of this decade.' - Literary Review
Note, Graham Hancock quotes many sources in this book. In the extracts below, Hancock quotes from: 'South American Mythology', by H. Osborne, and, 'An Introduction to the Study of Maya Hieroglyphs', by S. G. Morley.
VIRACOCHA - Description
Page 51 ....
A bearded man of medium height, dressed in a rather long cloak ... He was past his prime, with grey hair, and lean. He walked with a staff, and addressed the natives with love, calling them his sons and daughters. As he traversed all the land, he worked miracles. He healed the sick by touch. He spoke every tongue even better than the natives. They called him Thunupa or Tarpaca, Viracocha-ripacha, or Pachaccan ...
-- Graham Hancock
QUETZALCOATL - Description
Page 109 ....
'... the bearded, white-skinned deity named Quetzalcoatl, who was believed to have sailed to Mexico from across the seas in remote antiquity. Quetzalcoatl was credited with the invention of the advanced mathematical and calendrical formulae that the Maya were later to use to calculate the date of doomsday. He also bore a striking resemblance to Viracocha, the pale god of the Andes, who came to Tiahuanaco 'in the time of darkness' bearing the gifts of light and civilization.'
-- South American Mythology, H. Osborne, Hamlyn, 1968, page 74
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QUETZALCOATL - His Return
Pages 111/112 ....
'The great god Kukulkan, or Feathered Serpent, was the Mayan counterpart of the Aztec Quetzalcoatl, the Mexican god of light, learning and culture. In the Maya pantheon he was regarded as having been the great organiser, the founder of cities, the former of laws and the teacher of the calendar. Indeed his attributes and life history are so human that it is not improbable that he may have been an actual historical character, some great lawgiver and organizer, the memory of whose benefactions lasted long after death, and whose personality was eventually deified.'
-- An Introduction to the Study of Maya Hieroglyphs, S. G. Morley, Dover, 175
All the legends stated unambiguously that Quetzalcoatl / Kukulkan / Gucumatz / Votan / Izamana had arrived in Central America from somewhere very far away (across the 'Eastern Sea') and that amid great sadness he had eventually sailed off again in the direction whence he had come.
The legends added that he had promised solemnly that HE WOULD RETURN ONE DAY - a clear echo of Viracocha it would be almost perverse to ascribe to coincidence.
-- Graham Hancock
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 7:34 AMDamn! You just deleted another thoughtful thread *again*!
If you can't use the knowledge posted in this tribe, at least let others benefit from it.
The only thing worse than willfully choosing to be hopelessly ignorant is insisting that others remain that way, too.
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 7:45 AM(I'd like to warn others about posting in this thread. It has been deleted TWICE already because the person who started it wants to actively suppress information that contradicts his assertions. Caveat blogger.) -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 9:33 AMMan, that is really lame.
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:25 PMyeah im starting a new post on this subject so people can bee free to express there truths and opinions good or bad, its called freedom of expression.... -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:55 AM<<< freedom of expression.... >>>
That's great. I'm all for that.
Especially for the 90% or so who've gone quiet on the Internet because they're reluctant to speak up. -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:31 AM".. the bearded, white-skinned deity named Quetzalcoatl, who was believed to have sailed to Mexico from across the seas in remote antiquity"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
www.lds-mormon.com/christ_i.shtml
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:15 AMh: is the 631am post the one that was previously deleted? will not have a chance to read till later -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:18 AMNo, it was two entire threads that were previously posted under the same title as this one but deleted when the posts didn't go in the direction that the creator of the thread had hoped they would. -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:32 AMi'm tired. so if i read the 631am post i shall have all that i need...
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:56 AMthis thread is 90% shorter thanks to your evil smelly finger -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 12:35 PMwhat's that?
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:00 PMI wiz talking to the big guy. See above -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:02 PM"I wiz talking to the big guy."
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:36 PMHoopes, you of all people should know by now that there's more than just a Singular God..... I mean.... I thought you knew there's more deities than you can count on yer fingers and toes........ so please, don't try and convert us to monotheism.... even if you happen to be very fond of a Particular "God", as you are indicating. -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:37 PMLeslie, you are just too lovable!
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:38 PMNah, Sir Ywain and his big round table here. 85% now. Reluctance level at 42% and increasing
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:39 PM......You think you have somebody figured out, and then they pop out of a Davy & Goliath Sunday morning cartoon closet all wistful with "God" on their lips and a leather grained black book in their hand with ribboned bookmarks...... God! this really must be the end of the world..... -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 3:59 PMsupper at your place, leslie? -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 4:15 PMSure. Bring papayas, mangos, and pineapple, but this time, don't pick up a vanfull of scruffy people in robelike attire from the shelter so we can "do a last supper tableau photo shoot"..... -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 4:23 PM...I mean, if we're gonna do another vivid fantasy "reenactment" with dissociative psychotic fugue, why not be daring and do 'The Return of Quetzalcoatl" .... maybe get some python wranglers and bunches of feathers....... -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 4:48 PMits a deal! I'll get pluckin those pheasants right away -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 4:59 PM"You're teeaaring me apaaaart!"
(my impression of Sal Mineo imitating James Dean)
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:07 PMno worries. The missus has one I can sneak out. I just need an alibi -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:12 PMJust tell her you're off to the Americas to help fulfill an ancient prophecy. Bring Mae West with you and we'll have a complete alibi for everyone. We'll call it "The Return of The Jaded Hussey". -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:30 PMyou know, she'd fall for that one too. I got a shovel ready to get miss mae. She'll look so authentic now.
This is gonna be so cool. Just like Sons of the Desert.
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 4:21 PM>>>The only thing worse than willfully choosing to be hopelessly ignorant is insisting that others remain that way, too.<<<
!ZWOW!
h: Did you make up the phrase yourself or maybe copy it...does not matter
please give reference to who, as i would like to 'borrow' that phrase in upcoming illustrations.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:42 PMLet's just call it a gift from me to you. -
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 7:55 PMbut what definition of ignorance are you using?
new dictionary==stupid, etc
but taken from where/what it should be
ROOT WORD=ignore
ignorance then becomes common sense as to meaning
can't have it both ways
cuz the world is littered with ignorant people, and its share of pure
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:21 PMThe following has always been a favorite quote of mine:
"The trouble with most folks ain't so much their ignorance as knowing so many things that ain't so..." --- Josh Billings
I don't think ignorance is the same thing as stupidity at all. Stupidity is failing to act on the knowledge you have or are given.
Ignorance is not knowing, either for lack of knowledge or lack of knowledge about knowledge, etc.
I don't think ignorance is ever the same thing as common sense, though it can be the same thing as common "knowledge" when that knowledge is flawed or just plain wrong.
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:32 PMso, should not words be built upon a common foundation, or root?
plain and simple: IGNORE
from that comes ignorance
and ignorant
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:52 PM"even the language has been poisoned..."
If that's how you interpret etymology, you may be ignoring some valuable knowledge.
"ignorant
c.1374, from O.Fr. ignorant, from L. ignorantia, from ignorantem, prp. of ignorare from in- "not" + Old L. gnarus "aware, acquainted with," from Porot-L. suffixed form *gno-ro-, related to gnoscere "to know" (see know). Form influenced by ignotus "unknown." Cf. also see uncouth. Colloquial sense of "ill-mannered" first attested 1886. Ignorance is attested c.1225, from O.Fr. ignorance, from L. ignorantia."
"ignore
1611, "not to know, to be ignorant of," from Fr. ignorer, from L. ignorare "not to know, disregard," from ignarus "not knowing, unaware" (see ignorant). Sense of "pay no attention to" first recorded 1801 and not common until c.1850."
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:53 PMNote that "ignorant" appears first, around 1374, while "ignore" is not used until 1611.
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Re: Mayan Return ~ The return of Quetzalcoatl ~ Viracocha
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:55 PMAnd also that "ignorance" comes first, around 1225.
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