Hi all!
It's been a while. I'm not on here anymore that often as I've been busy with other things, but I assume everyone is doing good.
I still see familiar faces on here.
One of the things I've done over the past weeks, was writing an essay about ET's, Aliens (whatever you may call "them"), Contact, etc.......basically putting to paper what I've come across over the years, not all of it, but the essentials.
I've noticed some posts about the Alien/ET topic on here, so I thought I'd share it for some food for thought.
It's a bit lengthy (I actually could write a book about it, I realized half way through) and was too long for blog or thread.
So here's the link to it:
www.bernhardguenther.com/Alien...da.htm
Enjoy!
Peace.
B:-)
It's been a while. I'm not on here anymore that often as I've been busy with other things, but I assume everyone is doing good.
I still see familiar faces on here.
One of the things I've done over the past weeks, was writing an essay about ET's, Aliens (whatever you may call "them"), Contact, etc.......basically putting to paper what I've come across over the years, not all of it, but the essentials.
I've noticed some posts about the Alien/ET topic on here, so I thought I'd share it for some food for thought.
It's a bit lengthy (I actually could write a book about it, I realized half way through) and was too long for blog or thread.
So here's the link to it:
www.bernhardguenther.com/Alien...da.htm
Enjoy!
Peace.
B:-)
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:52 PM
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:42 PMno, I haven't even had any beer this year so far, just a glass of vine.
Not too much into beer and alcohol these days........I know, doesn't help my "german image" really.
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:47 PMdon't worry about the image
of course, if you do not know HOW to consume the wicked wh/ale
then i would be in same spot, or so to speak
beer, as most alcohol, was intended to keep the masses numbed zumbed out
but at least, if not for that short period of time it allows,
something, to look forward to
outlawed the tru brew, same as hemp...
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:00 PMHi Bernhard,
always nice to have you pop in. i kinda figured your aliensense would be tingling.
i've only just started your essay... and naturally my editorsenses are on fire. you may want to reconsider your opening sentence which contains the words; 'ridicule', 'disbelief' and 'blind belief'.
and you may want to rethink the first sentence in the second paragraph which includes the words " don’t take this subject very serious and don’t give it much thought at all.".
i look forward to reading the rest... i'm sure the moving targets will be dazzling!
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:41 PMnice effort Bernhard. unfortunately i must declare it to be a hot steaming heap of fear mongering disinformation.
hope you are getting more action over on myspace.
do your massage and "healing" clients read this stuff?
i saw that you were offering a Reiki sale a few weeks back.... what were you charging? $45 an hour?
you should be ashamed of yourself.
seriously.
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 12:44 AMHi David, thanks for your insight.
If you could tell me specifically, what in my essay is disinformation and why, please let me know.
I'm happy to correct any mistake. I would never claim to be excempt from error.
As for my style, well I know you don't like it, others do, it's a matter of taste, for me, it's just me and I prefer being direct sometimes.
In regards to the opening sentence, I'm actually not quite happy with it myself, even before you told me, but for now it works....it took me a while to write it all, so I'm a bit tired. I'll look at it again tomorrow.
As for the "fear mongering" accusation, I'm sorry you got scared. It was not my intention.
You may want to examine within yourself, what it is in you that is afraid.
Meditation helps.
I'm simply presenting some material by long time UFO researchers and pose some questions about it.
i have no fear, nor am i worried, quite excited actually. These are great times to be alive.
Don't buy into fear, David! Give yourself a hug!
What has my profession, personal life and your accusation/attack do with this essay?
Is that your famous scorpio sting again?
So predictable...
At least roger's beer question was unexpected and creative.
Are you still offering $20 Blow Jobs, or is that sale over allready?
Tststs....your Dad would be ashamed of you.
Loveyouandabighug!
I'm not too much myspace or tribe these days. It's much more fun over here:
www.sott.net/signs/forum/index.php
Step by at any time.
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:12 AMthe problem is Bernhard... in order to point out the specific disinformation it would require me to write up an essay about 20% as long as yours... and that is a waste of my time. so it is sufficient for me to simply state the obvious... which is that your essay is nothing more than the spreading of other peoples mis and disinformation.
you've been so suckered it's almost comical... were it not so sad.
as for your style... yeahhh.... it sucks. and it's not about you being direct... it's about your inability to be credible and thus persuasive. your very choice of opening words and statements makes that clear. if what you propose is true... you wouldn't bother telling us all about all the 'ridicule', 'disbelief' and 'blind belief' you experience.
you are fear mongering. and as for you saying "I'm sorry you got scared.".... you only prove yourself to be playing the fool.
>>>"What has my profession, personal life and your accusation/attack do with this essay?"
as far as i can tell... you put all the effort and time into spreading this fear as a means to not only give yourself something to do in your spare time... but also to increase eyeballs to your profile and site and so advertise your "healing" services. not to mention, the more dis-ease you create in people and the world around you... the more clients you and those of your ilk will attract.
you are a charlatan Bernhard. unlike your reference to blowjobs... my mention of you advertising here on Tribe for Reiki at $45 an hour is truth.
and Bernhard, as far as you bringing up my recently departed father.... go fuck yourself you fucketyfuck.
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:11 AMcome come, guys... (no pun intended)....i don't think Bernhard meant anything by it. and i can stand by him as a bodyworker, david, he is certainly not a charlaton....god you guys, come on! aren't we all in this for the love?
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:26 AMok, B, i just got thru the first half of it, ...so far i see no inherent problems with it, including the first couple sentances....if you are speaking the truth, what's the problem...people have discredited UFO info for eons....what's wrong with declaring that upfront?
i'll let you know more of my (not always so humble) opinion as i read more....
:) good to see you bud
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:42 AMhi little flower, since i know you personally i feel a little reluctant in giving you a hard time... but... just for clarification, you stand by Bernhard as a body worker? does that mean you condone the moving of energy in the form of Reiki at $$ per hour?
let me ask then little flower. do you practice this kind of 'healing' for money as well?
it's all Love despite all the non-benevolent Beings that this silly essay is trying to convince us are out there.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:33 PM<< aren't we all in this for the love? >>
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:11 PMeverybody?
a tad bit
bitter
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jesus,
or for others 'uninitiated'
here
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:24 PM"etc.. but it doesn't make it a wholesome act." - David
You or I simply cannot JUDGE what is wholesome and/or healing for someone else. To me it really comes down to the "intention" of the healer and the recipient in that very moment.... ....ultimately this is something we simply cannot know as third party observers.
If you feel Rieki in general is a charlatan practice then that is different than condemning a particular practitioner but even that still leaves the possibility that positive healing can take place.
PEACEnHUGS
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:44 AMthanks bernard! what Dr. Karla Turner documented resonates with me. i appreciate your insight and work.
how does one separate fact from fiction when those who have been exposed to aliens know all to well that they can alter perceptions? what i've concluded is that perhaps one can just say, "this is the vision i saw" response.
regarding the sexual aspect of it.... it is a predominant fixture in all this that i've seen. genetics, reproduction and importantly, astral control. sexual relations and orgasm create huge chords between people / entities that are hard to break. aliens and the government mind control programs use this as a form of control.
joanne
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:16 AM
"let me ask then little flower. do you practice this kind of 'healing' for money as well? "
David you seem to be implying there is something wrong with being compensated for doing healing work?...!
... that just seems silly to me!
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:22 AMMrOneness, i am stating that moving energy for money is a scam. the only thing that might happen is some of the symptoms are temporarily relieved. this may be a neat trick... but it is not healing.
give a massage... fine.. charge money for your time and effort.
practice an energy moving modality and charge $45 an hour.... that is the work of a charlatan.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:15 AMI find reiki and the like to be alien energy agendas. Well meaning alien agendas. -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:55 PMDavid, thank you for trying to spare my feelings since we do know each other in real life....actually in my healing bodywork practice, i tend to massage (tissue manipulative) and not so much focus on the energywork (reiki and the like), but i do it if it seems appropriate, if it is asked for specifically, or if i ask my client if it's OK.......so what are you suggesting? if i end up doing a 1/2 hour "massage" and the other 1/2 hour becomes a reiki energy session, then i should suddenly only charge for 1/2 the session? i agree with the above poster, you seem to think that people should'nt be compensated for doing healing work......i do understand where you're coming from on a certain level with this, as i thought it was abhorent that my old reiki teacher charged $75 an hour for a session.....but some people would gladly pay $45 for a little relief, as you call it.....so you're saying that energywork should be done for free and you should only start geting paid when you're actually working the muscles? where do you draw the line? or is is the amount of $?
i myself have never actually charged a separate fee for reiki, if you must know.......like i said, i can somewhat see where you're coming from with this......to me, it has always felt like something there should be more of a barter for, maybe partial cash, partial....tobacco, sage, gift, etc.....i dunno, but YES i stand by B as a bodyworker.....he has good hands, integrity, and a good heart, ....i have no problem with him charging for bodywork......maybe if he was trying to charge $300 an hour or something......but for that you usually kind of have to do strange things like take your clothes off and manipulate people in other, more freaky ways (or so i've heard).......which
brings us back to the topic at hand......
can't wait to read more, as i have not had the time, although, like a girl who posted another topic here under "Aliens" i too have had numerous dreams of being "taken up" up up and away.....finding myself on a cold steel operating table, while outer space stars float by outside, weird instruments stuck in my ears, etc.......so many dreams......i am lucid in some of them......once asking an alien who was floating in a self contained bubble ship outside my mom's house in Ohio, (after it told me it was a reporter)...if they would be back? "Yes", it told me, "we'll be back"......weird shit like that......seeing them manifest out of thin air in the sky....huge several football fields long ships looking like they were made out of some type of giant piping, all melding together in once giant mass.....kind of menacing actually
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Reiki for $$
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:24 AMHi little flower, thanks for the response. it would seem to me that you understand to some degree why i take exception to those who advertise and charge money for energy moving modalities such as Reiki. and seeing as Bernhard was advertising a Discount Reiki session for $45.... i can only wonder what his regular charge is.
i don't have much time to cover this in detail. however i'm sure we'll get a chance to connect on a dancefloor near us and so talk about it further.
it comes down to this. there are many different powers or tricks that anyone can learn, develop and practice. and one of these is the kind of energy manipulation involved in Reiki. the problem with this kind of action is that without complete and Whole understanding of the effects of these actions we run the risk of creating unknown dis-ease and disharmony. this form of subtle energy manipulation is particularly dubious because the manipulations are often not consciously detectable to either the 'healer' or the 'patient'. and this is what draws the line between the physical movement of tissue and muscle verses the subtle manipulation of energy.
now... it is one thing if one spontaneously acts in accordance with energies present. it is entirely another thing to set out to attract paying customers for this because this puts the so called 'healer' who is getting paid and the customer who is paying, in the position of producing results regardless of what is best for the Whole.
i'm not a big fan of healing for money... but i understand that it is an ingrained element in the current society we live in. however when someone like Bernhard spends so much effort and time spreading disinfomation and fear and then in the same online space advertises their 'healing' services for money... i must speak out against this.
hope this makes sense.
and i do hope to see you soon littleflower! perhaps you'll be joining us on the 17th?
ihugyouverymuch,
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Re: Reiki for $$
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:27 PM" i can only wonder what his regular charge is"
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:35 PMBy the way, I'm offering a discount on long-distance vibrational realignments of Kirlian auras via powerful brain waves that I am known to generate during high-energy REM sleep. A bargain at $75 per session (though it usually requires at least five--one for each of the directional Pauhatuns and a fifth for the special "axis mundi" session--to achieve maximum benefits).
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Re: Reiki for $$
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:47 PMwow, half the price! I'll be giving you a call at 4:22 am precisely.
and if I find out thats a recording of your snoring like that last fuck**g sedona schister I'll be sending my disgruntled soul fragments your way for a proctological cleansing with these here quartz wands; copper wire lavishly soldered with st germain's channeled love fingers -
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Re: Reiki for $$
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:47 PMhehehe... yeah... Bernhard has even admitted to offering up a toke of his joint to his massage clients before "healing" them!!!
classic charlatanism at it's finest.
and gee... as long as i'm bangin' on his doors of perception... this is pretty funny;
www.theonion.com/content/v...y_theories
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Re: Reiki for $$
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:20 PMey I wouldn't mind some ganja before a massage
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:47 PMyeah... i wouldn't mind either.
nor before a kind fuck
but then again... i've been a bit of a toker myself.
ya know... thee old habit wars.
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Re: Reiki for $$
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:54 AMi wonder how many people on this thread who are knocking reki have in fact tried it - and tried it from different practioners ?
my feeling about it is some are mostly likely rubbish, some maybe have a bit power, and a few have strong powers, as most things in the "new age" movment.
Isnt it part of most ancient wisdom that our body energies can be altered by others, and that can be healing, though i think those who can do this , thats another matter. youd have to try it before you judge it right ?
In China the idea of "chi" energy is a a common and universal idea embraced by about 1,500 millon people as real as gravity is in the west, and some tai chi and kung fu masters can do spectaclur stuff with it.
Id say you cant know stuff till you try it, and personaly i havnt tried reiki, but know someone whos opion i respect who has and got benift from it.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:25 PMI have had some amazing experiences with Reiki....receiving and giving.....
don't knock it until you try it....
and please don't pick on B...he's a nice bloke and he means well...
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:12 PMwell, I performed an impartial blind test on the missus while she slept to see if it would make her feel exceptionally well in the morning. She woke up like, 10 mins into the session kinda drowsy and muttering. I told her I was healing her, which I guess spoilt the impartiality of it as she got really irked and pushed me off. I tried it a second time and she ended up sleeping on the sofa. I guess her chi was blocked by the morning, as she was really cranky with me all day, regardless of my intent. So yeah, reiki is new-age bullshit. -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:07 PM...well, maybe what the Missus really wanted was a Deep Sofa Alien Reiki Encounter... ? -
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:32 PMMaybe, but from the way she was that day, that's more evidence for no aliens either.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:22 PMI get cranky when people mess with me, while i'm sleeping... -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 12:32 AMYeah Brad, my thoughts exactly....
>>performed an impartial blind test on the missus while she slept
seriously Chondler? you did this? sorry but that is just so uncool...and to assume that reiki doesn't work because your partner didn't want to be "healed" (or fucked with) while she was sleeping WITHOUT HER PERMISSION --- well that is just some kind of bullshit......are you trained in reiki? do you know that you need to ask permission before performing this kind of stuff.....just so irresponsible...... -
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:50 AMExactly... Not knowing the pressure point or even the meridians... you probably did send Ki (chi) in to the wrong point... maybe even one that does release anger and crankiness... Plus yea... Don't ever practice with out permission and don't mess with sleeping people... unless it is expressed to do so...
Hopefully she gets over it... and you didn't cause more damage...
Reiki in not just about intention... Thu it does help...
There is an exact science of pressure points... similar to acupuncture... Which... BTW... people have used to go under surgery... with tremendous results... Some have even used it for dentistry..
I have not studied ReiKi in it's full depth nor am I a master...
I have studied:
* Aikido
* Kiatsu (personal health and healing)
* Ki Breathing
* Ki Meditation
* Sokushin no Gyo (bell meditation
Kiatsu... is very, very similar to ReiKi.... But the training is longer actually and you gain more knowledge of Ki and Pressure Points...
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Re: Reiki for $$
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 9:16 AM"I tried it a second time and she ended up sleeping on the sofa."
That says it all. I think you're the one who should have wound up on the floor.
"regardless of my intent"
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:09 AMprofessor khan?
another area of expertise?
i love this
tribe
can never be so underwhelmed as over...
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:02 PM>>you're the one who should have wound up on the floor.
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:16 PMwow
i just reread this whole thread
i do miss alot: such foul...
but believe me on this one:
until you have a back problem where you cannot move
and a tooth that you would even use a rusty pliars...
i cannot even spell reikie, but cranial sacral
which i, did not nor yet, understand
yet it works
they do not even touch you
yet can/will find the obstruction
and teeth?
3rd meridian
second toe
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 9:11 PMglad you had such good experience with cranial sacral....as far as i know, they do have to touch you in that modality because they are essentially manipulating the cranial bones and fluids,
however, in reiki, there doesn't have to be touching...it can be either/ or,....
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 9:52 PM>>>"i have had amazing experiences with Reiki, even when i was still skeptical....and yes, it involved a back situation..."
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 10:10 PMi was actually the one performing the service, and no, it was for a friend in need...and i didn't accept any money as far as i can recall....
back in college...was hanging with one of my girlfriends and had spent the night....her boyfriend called her the next morning very early before class....she relayed to me the message....that he was layed up in bed and could not move because his back was seized....she told him i just happened to be there, so we went over to his pad, and sure enough, he was laying face down on the floor or bed and i told him i could give him some Reiki if he thought it would help....(i wasn't doing massage yet -- plus when someone is that seized up you can't really massage them anyway)....
so i layed my hands on him, tuned in, did what i had been taught, and started to feel the heat flowing thru my hands....after about 15 minutes of this,....i could feel the knot of energy in his back....then there was like this SHIFT that happened and all of the sudden, he sat up....his back had shifted out of its seizure and he just looked at me with this amazing look on his face, saying "How did you do that?!!".......i told him i didn't DO it, i just let it flow thru me,etc......
it was pretty trippy for sure.....but that along with some other strange occurences when i first got involved with Reiki, convince me that it does work....it is easy to be skeptical about it.....but i know that it jives with me, so that's part of my work -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:38 AM>>>did you pay for this littleflower?<<<
what the f going on here...
i went to numerous chiro's, rolfers, and a host of other body workers
all worked, but just for a short while. spread from lower back, front shoulder
neck, 17th thorax...
finally i found somebody who put it all together
but first i had to find the cranial sacral person who had taken this dudes course
pain=no way to live
would have cost the average person maybe 10k$ and still never properly repaired
cost me a little over 2 grand.
some of u: learn to speak from and with experience
sometimes the pain is so subtle; one day there, the next not
but it did return
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 6:00 PMhi roger, from what i understand, one of your soul purposes in this physicality is to experience pain and the cessation of that pain. and so you are eXperiencing the many sides of aversion and craving in relationship to physical pain so that you gradually find wholeness.
you have and continue to spend enormous amounts of energy and time sewing the seeds of your desires. your willingness to pay for and consume relief from outside yourself will continue to attract towards you untold miseries to relieve.
your eXperiences from which you speak are haunting.
brotherlyhug,
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:48 PMyes... littleflower, the somewhat spontaneous healing touch to a friend is one thing. the marketing and selling of this touch to strangers is quite another.
please don't get me wrong. i'm not saying that reiki doesn't work. i am certain it works. i am also certain that it only 'heals' on a superficial level and does not heal at the root level. and that it has much potential to cause disharmony and disease.
oddly though... as i write this i realize that the exchange of money might mitigate the potential disharmony by cheapening the whole process. much like i'd imagine paying for a prostitute diminishes from a truly good fuck.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:54 AMDavid i just dont get this its wrong to charge money thing. By the way im not personaly a new age worker in anyway let me say that.
But if you saw a lawyer in the US how much would you pay an hour ? $100. $200, $500 ? more ? Why should someone who has studied Reiki for years, or massage, or yoga, or even meditation, not also receive compensation for there services ? Do they not need to live ? You think if these people are really financialy poor that qualifiies them to be spritual ?
I dont see it like that. What i see is that people should offer decent value for money. I dont think $45 an hour is that much. Now whether Bernard is any good or not i havnt a clue, but i cant see how you would know that either ?
Ok if your telling me you yourself have tried Reiki from lots of practitionars and found it offeres nothing more than tempory relife that would give your comments a little credibility, but you know some people even are willing to pay for temporary relife, some phsycial standard type massage only offer that anyway.
I was once, about 14 years ago seriously considiering training as a psychosynthesis psychotherapist and once or twice i heard this argument knocked about then, that its wrong to charge money for helping people like that. It just doesnt make sense, if your any good that is. I mean the training takes years, and its training that you have to self fiance. Once through the training yoru essential a proffesional qualified person, how much do most proffesionals make per hour ? Of course your primary motivation in these fields should be to help people, but that doesnt mean you dont need money to live, you dont need to go on holidays from time to time, and you dont need a decent house to live in does it ?
You think its better that stockbrokers make millions a year, who often make the money investing in unethical investments ? Sure if new age workers are rubbish at what there pertaining to do, and are essentialy charlatans thats a different matter. Then I agree with you, but i dont think we have enough information on Bernard to make that assumption, and i think its wrong anyway he's been subject to this kind of public trail.
If you disagree with his alien agenda thing, fine, talk about that, but this, this is just silly really, and that to me applies to others here jumping on the lets have a go at Bernard bandwagon.
Sure I know Beranard has an abbrassive style often times, id be first to admit that, but i dont see that means he should be subject to public trial about his proffesional work unless there is good reason for that.
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Re: Reiki for $$
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:34 PM"i'm not a big fan of healing for money... "
Have you checked out VortexHealing®?
www.vortexhealing.com
I know a practitioner who was offering his clients a free session. He suggested that, to receive the maximum benefit (even though the session was free), the clients should *imagine* that it was costing them $250.
Wouldn't the benefit be even greater if they could imagine it was costing them $500, $1000, $5000? $10,000? $1,000,000?
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:01 AMvortex: scam or scheme...
cannot begin to compare in any way, to cranial sacral
this is a science well researched
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Re: Reiki for $$
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:58 AMh: you ever had a root canal?
let's cut
...and you get paid for being 'smart'?
gee, how many silver/MERCURY fillings do you have?
if you not one, then i am wrong
but if i am rite, as usual,
and if you have a few, or even one
then that
explains....
because? you would never be that stupid to drink tap/city water
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:52 PMonce again davidsjelly, *bullseye"
"MrOneness, i am stating that moving energy for money is a scam. the only thing that might happen is some of the symptoms are temporarily relieved. this may be a neat trick... but it is not healing."
TRUE THAT!!!!!!!!
"give a massage... fine.. charge money for your time and effort.
practice an energy moving modality and charge $45 an hour.... that is the work of a charlatan."
yep.......especially dew 2 thee fakt that "who wants a reel job....everyone wants 2 B self M ployed......its thee ameriKKKanb entrepenuer weigh, iz it knot? hehe
"now sure.. there are many out there that do this... but it doesn't make it a wholesome act."
THANK U KAPT!!!!!! we have stated this on several occassions and pissed sum people off kuz their "reiki payz thee rent and billz", oar atleast N part.......
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:08 PMyep, thee "plot" iz thicker than mud lets say........
sew eye wood like 2 start with saying that eye/we agree with U bernhard wholeheartedly N Re: guardz 2 thee "knew age" " channelingz" and what knot, and with thee "passivity" that iz "preached" with N that genre az well.......like N thee "bible", "turn thee other cheek" type "kondishunning", az well az "whatever happenz waz mint 2 B"......yeah, tell that 2 thee native "americans", oar 2 thee tibeten monks, etc.......
and yes, thee "knew age" haz ben highly "N fested"/N filtrated buy certain B ingz, "fallen from konshuss"
best summary eye've scene iz thee on B low this post on starseed tribe.......
eye didnt reed thee whole manuskript kapt however eye saw N konlusion sekshun thee "knew age koncept" ov "what will b iz mint 2 B" type mentallity........"B all light, dont acknowledge "negativity".........
this was spoken ov buy kapt eris and m'eye self on latest kaptz blog.......
N Re: guardz 2 "galaktik federayshun/kontakt" scenarios:
and az yule C if U look at thee summary ov witch we speek, it kleerly states that know, thee higher D menshunal B ingz, hue man oar otherwise, from "other worlds", thee true galaktik federayshun(s), dew knot inner fear with thee free will evolutionary process ov life UNLESS a situayshun Re: choirs such "divine inner vention", kuz from thee standpoint ov hue manz facing thee D limma ov "alien N vasion", B it psykologikally kovert oar phyzikally overt (witch iz what did happen weigh back when), it duznt appear 2 me that, if theze "alienz" who wanna "kontrol thee hue manz" have thee teknology that they have shown 2 have and moor, how wood hue manity D fend itself, eh?
eye/we siriusly pose this kwestion B kuz there iz definately truth N thee furthering attempt(s) from certain fallen races 2 kontrol thee hue manz, yet there R MANY mutlitudes ov "guardian angels" hear 2 definately assist, at whatever level knead B........
az haz be stated N other manuskripts, there iz what we will Re: fur 2 az a "renegade GF"......a "federayshun" prezenting itself az "benevolent" "angelik B ingz" hear 2 "save earth from itself".........
now, eye ask U and whoever else, this kwestion........
what dew U feel about thee term "divine protekshun"?
eye personally have herd men E testimonials from others who R thoroughly konvinced that they, at one point oar another, was "saved from death" via "guardian angel(s)"..........
often times, both on a planetary az well az individual level, "divine protekshun" goes "un-scene" 4 thee most part........
however, with thee apparent N tent on B half ov certain "fallen races" 2 sumhow further N slave and oar feed off ov hue manity, given what they've shown 2 B kapable ov thus far, whats 2 stop them from fullfilling their agenda(s)?
what, U gonna sit there kross legged and meditate those B ingz away? along with all their kray Z teknologikjal D vices, biochemikal warfare abilities? heck even on thee lowest level, "martial law" wood B diffikult 4 thee populace 2 fend off given thee komplacency thee majority haz thus far shown........
sew bernhard, az a neighbor wood assist a neighbor N diffikult periods, we will asisit on whatever level necessary, when and if, tho m'eye guess iz moor like "when" rather than "if"........kuz thee "false federayshun" and thee "earth govts" (R one N thee same) havent shown N E sines N thee very least az 2 their N tent on letting up with their agendas.......
and thee timing ov korse, during a "grand awakening/stellar aktivayshun" gives weigh 4 thee potential 4 thee "fallen ones" 2 Re: gain their "komposure", az another main protokol iz that NO ONE IZ 2 B LEFT OUT OV ATTUNEMENT.......duz knot state "limited 2 earth hue manz"........ -
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Re: BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Re: VU
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:20 PMthank U davidsjelly, hour sentiments exaktly:
"the problem is Bernhard... in order to point out the specific disinformation it would require me to write up an essay about 20% as long as yours... and that is a waste of my time. so it is sufficient for me to simply state the obvious... which is that your essay is nothing more than the spreading of other peoples mis and disinformation."
"you've been so suckered it's almost comical... were it not so sad."
""as for your style... yeahhh.... it sucks. and it's not about you being direct... it's about your inability to be credible and thus persuasive. your very choice of opening words and statements makes that clear. if what you propose is true... you wouldn't bother telling us all about all the 'ridicule', 'disbelief' and 'blind belief' you experience."
"you are fear mongering. and as for you saying "I'm sorry you got scared.".... you only prove yourself to be playing the fool."
>>>"What has my profession, personal life and your accusation/attack do with this essay?"
"as far as i can tell... you put all the effort and time into spreading this fear as a means to not only give yourself something to do in your spare time... but also to increase eyeballs to your profile and site and so advertise your "healing" services. not to mention, the more dis-ease you create in people and the world around you... the more clients you and those of your ilk will attract."
"you are a charlatan Bernhard. unlike your reference to blowjobs... my mention of you advertising here on Tribe for Reiki at $45 an hour is truth. "
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:25 PM"like your style
no boring"
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:33 PMbut suddenly you change...coherent writs...
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Re: ;;>)))
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:58 AMfunny, I haven't been on here for days and the B bashing keeps coming.
Thanks little flower for the perspective from another bodyworker.
Here's "my deal", since I'm being accused of being a charlatan.
Reiki, works for me, I have gotten amazing sessions and it had a good effect on my over all well being.
I also don;t want to waste my time arguing about the "effectiveness" of that healing modality with people who either haven't ever received it, or do not know much about body and energy-work to begin with. It's pointless. So indulge in you humor about it. I'm not offended, nor do I take it serious. It amuses me actually.
I do not need to defend myself. I can live off my work and people seems to like it, otherwise why would they come back?
Many times before I have offered free sessions, no matter what style, from deep tissue to "energy work" to some members of this forum, including David.
I have also many time asked David if he would like to meet up for some tea/coffee since we both live in LA area and just talk face to face in order to undo some misunderstandings and our "feuds" over all these years. It actually seems he's feeding off that conflict, as he keeps attacking me.
He is talking about love and hugging and being loving and compassionate, etc.....but he doesn't seem to follow his own words.
We live in times of change. we all want love and peace in our lives and the world, don't we?
If so, why not make the effort right here between us?
I ask you David, why do you keep attacking me personally while ignoring my offerings to you?
Don't you think we could heal this and move beyond it?
I'm up for getting together,as I said before.
Just write me a private message through tribe and we can set something up.
In any case I'd appreciate it to stop attacking me personally without giving any effort to get to know me better and not relating to the topic at hand.
I apologize for the blowjob comment. It was uncalled for. I just felt irritated by your personal attack, which I thought was uncalled for as well.
In regards to my essay, which I thought was the topic of this thread, I did change some things, even the ones David suggested.
I was really trying to give a good overview of this phenomena without hiding behind some wish wash talk.
In that sense it is more direct and to the point. English is my second language and I'm not familiar with many terms, gramma and otherwise, or of how to say things "correctly". I'm not a trained writer or journalist. I just write the way it comes out and do my best to bring my point across, which I admit I do not always succeed in.
It took me along time to write this and research it. I don't get paid for it.
All I thought was that this subject might be welcomed here, by people wanting to know what is going on in the UFO/Alien filed.
Is it all bogus and lies, is it "good" or "bad"? Well, this essay is just some food of thought about something I haven't seen covered on here.
That's really all it is.
The ones really interested in this subject can see what I'm trying to convey and it has nothing to do with me.
All what this essay is about is showing some research people have come up with in that field and some conclusions and questions we may ask ourselves. Nothing more or less.
I have no problem with constructive criticism. But personal insults not relating to the topic are uncalled for.
So here it is, an updated version:
www.bernhardguenther.com/Alien...da.htm
The reason why I post it on my site is simply because it is my site to host all kinds of stuff, some of it which doesn't have to do with anything what I do professionally. Tribe sucks for posting longer posts and you can't use html editing.
Blaming me for "hidden" advertisement for my bodywork practice, is quite lame. Considering the topic of the essay and the response the general public gives it, I'd probably shy "possible" clients away.
My work as a massage therapist doesn't depend on my website anyway. Funny thing is, I have never gotten a client through my website. It's all word of mouth and it works just fine like that.
So this is enough about me.
I hope this resolved some issues/misunderstandings.
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Re: ;;>)))
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 2:34 AMfrom the essay (3rd part):
"It is in interesting to note these days, that if there is something presented which may not look that "pretty" in regards to our "future", it is automatically judged as "fear-mongering" or "being negative", especially in the "New Age Movement"
However, we're just looking at some of the pieces of the puzzle and a possible emerging picture and resulting questions we may have to ask ourselves. Most of it is simply information from researchers who have been studying this phenomena for decades. What we do with it and how we react to it, be it fear, denial, discomfort, excitement, inspiration, etc., is up to each one of us.
There is no fear on my side, nor do I try to infuse fear, but just look at something we all tend to dismiss so easily.
If a person reacts to it with fear, maybe he/she needs to examine it within themselves, before blaming the author or the researchers, who are just showing something which not many people really have looked into deeply or are even aware of.
"Discomfort" and "fear" can serve a purpose, if used/applied correctly. There is a chance for healing from a shamanic and esoteric perspective. It is good to put oneself into a state of vulnerability when looking at the "darker" aspects of our reality or of oneself, truly looking at it, facing it and not giving the ego a chance to explain it all away, so we can go back to our comfort zone and ultimately back to "sleep". Nor is it about buying into fear and panic.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:22 AMwell i got to say hav'nt ancient cultures always talked about good and bad spirts anway, and had many symbols of these kinds of energies ? So this kind of thing may just be a development off that ? It does seem silly as you say Bernard that the "new age" world seems to want a squaky clean world with no dark. Jung after all often used to say we cannont find the light truely unless we deal with our shadow, or the shadow of the collective, mayeb the true applies to cosmic energy.
Perhpas the problem is you seem a bit overly focused on the dark side, that can be unbalancing. Re your post on the elites you made a little while ago, think this could be said of that. But then you could come back to that and say well the "new age" is so overly focused on the postive that your just trying to balance things out. By the way i came up with a possible explantation for the seed bank Gates foundation was financing in either north or south pole, cant rememeber which, well maybe there worried there could be some kind of catasrophy and there doing this just in case, for the benifit of future generations, that certainly would not mean there colluding with a catasrophy. All i know is recently Gates, teh Rockerfellas (yes i know i am asctuly suspicous of the Rockrfellas myself, but non the less) and Kulfi Annan have got together and are doing some great stuff in Africa to try and duplicate the "green revolution" in Africa that has previoulsy taken place in Inidan, which transfored Indians economy from the bottom up.
But because youve defended yourself so well here im going to take time out to read your eassy when previoulsy I couldnt be bothered to be honest. I did find your article before from Newsweek on the elite interesting, but i was so conivnced about the other websites interpration of it.
Personaly I would recomend in these essays and articles and stuff, you try to create a balance between possible negative analysis and postive analysis, and look for BOTH kinds of information. I think its right what you say about some sides of the "new age" denying the shadows of reality - and this is something that most ancient traditions did NOT do. But i think you would serve yourself better if you tried to put a better balance like this in your own work.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:24 AMin fact i want to add i think this is a big problem with the whole mystical, kind of 2012 thing at the moment, people are polarised either on the negative or postive, true is liable to be a combination of both.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:27 AM<but i was so conivnced about the other websites interpration of it. > sorry that was supposed to say i wasnt so conivnced of the other websites interpratation of it.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:25 AM"Personally I would recomend in these essays and articles and stuff, you try to create a balance between possible negative analysis and postive analysis, and look for BOTH kinds of information. I think its right what you say about some sides of the "new age" denying the shadows of reality - and this is something that most ancient traditions did NOT do. But i think you would serve yourself better if you tried to put a better balance like this in your own work. "
I hear you, but if you read it actually till the end, you'll understand why I approached it from this angle and what I mean by "dark" and "light", positive and negative.
Positive/negative are highly subjective judgments. What may be "good" for you, is "bad" for another.
A "positive" Alien Agenda ,might be quite "negative" for humanity.
You having food on your table and being able to feed yourself is "positive" for you, but probably not so positive for the plant/animal that you are going to digest and that was killed before it landed on your plate. (and yes plants have consciousness as well. To uproot them, take them out of their environment and prepare them for food is "technically" against their free will. Just because they don't scream or have no legs so they can run away, doesn't mean that they "agree" with your action. Life feeds on Life.)
The war in Iraq is "positive" and "good" for the elite and the Bush administration. They like it and it's their free will to fulfill their desires to do this. Obvioulsy it is "negative" from the point of view of the Iraqi's and so on.......
Question is who is really to judge what is "negative" and what is "positive"? From what point of view are we talking about?
Crerator experiences him/her/itself through all things. We are the ones who divide into "good" or "bad" according to our own subjectivity and needs/desires/wants.
Towards the end of the essay I write:
"Who is to judge what is a ”good” outcome to begin with? “Good” is a very subjective statement. What is a “good” outcome for the aliens, might be not so “good” for humanity and vicar versa. We need to understand our subjective limited view and perception of good/bad, dark/light in regards to the big scheme of creation and all Intelligent Life within.
True spiritual work entails more than just focusing our intention on what is "possible". It means becoming aware and becoming aware/conscious entails seeing the world and oneself as it/one is, objectively, dark and light, without rose colored glasses on or projecting into it how we like it to be or not to be. Before we can create something new and better, we need to clearly see what is going on, in ourselves and in the world, otherwise more damage will be done and it's like a blind man stumbling around in a porcelain store.
From the viewpoint of esoteric work, truth or objectivity should be one's principal goal. It’s interesting how the popular new age teachings these days promote subjectivity, to just focus on the self and shut out the “outside”, to ignore the “bad”, and keep manifesting reality according to one’s subjective desires and wishes. Is this really what spirituality and conscious evolution is all about?"
and further down I write:
"So, what about a fully benevolent alien intervention in order to "unite" humanity under "world peace"? Sure, but under what conditions, what kind of "peace" and "who says"? If it was up to "me", I'd love to have a big party in 2012 with the whole world, aliens and ET's uniting together and make a big love fest.
But reason and objectivity, as well as intuition, tells me something else......and if there are facts, reliable research and sources that prove a fully benevolent agenda, I'm more than happy to comply. However, so far I haven't come across anything that supports that case."
In the end I just ask some questions and have some speculations based on what I've come across.
Not sure if anyone has actually really took the time and read it to the end, but somehow I feel I'm being judged of being negative and a fear-mongerer without anyone really having made the effort to read the full article and trying to understand what I'm talking about.
I'm not saying that everyone should read it, but the ones blaming me for being just "negative", shouldn't judge so quick, until they have actually read the whole thing.
In anyway, non of what I wrote is scary or fearful to me. It just IS.
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Re: ;;>)))
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 12:10 PM"So, what about a fully benevolent alien intervention in order to "unite" humanity under "world peace"? Sure, but under what conditions, what kind of "peace" and "who says"? If it was up to "me", I'd love to have a big party in 2012 with the whole world, aliens and ET's uniting together and make a big love fest.
But reason and objectivity, as well as intuition, tells me something else......and if there are facts, reliable research and sources that prove a fully benevolent agenda, I'm more than happy to comply. However, so far I haven't come across anything that supports that case."
pax post victoriam lucis < PEACE > pax post victoriam tenebrarum
pax post victoriam tenebrarum=peace achieved after the victory of Darkness
pax post victoriam lucis=peace achieved after the victory of Light
This is why pacifism is fundamentally wrong. Peace achieved with the victory of the Darkness is not an option for a Lightworker or true spiritual warrior.
As far as reiki goes, some fellow nurses are using it in palliative (end of life) care, reportedly with great effectiveness. Apparently, a friend of mine had better effects with reiki (or Healing Hands as she calls it) then snowing the client with massive doses of morphine. In the same time, there's a group of nurses who claims that reiki is charlatanism and there's no "scientifically proven" effects noted. The war in on. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:55 PM>>>Peace achieved with the victory of the Darkness is not an option for a Lightworker or true spiritual warrior. <<<
gee, at least somebody is beyond...
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root canal? yeah, i figured out that fraud too, but maybe not you...
all i have ever experienced, leave me with death
vs the lingering pain that forms the ultimate
obstacle.
you fools....
bickering over what?
re: follow the flo...
as the spirit forms not never seen
nor understood, the message without mean...
some can, others not. but my relief/healing came from beyond chiro and rolfing
yet with...both
gee, anymore psycho...analysis...for me?
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:25 PM"Personally I would recomend in these essays and articles and stuff, you try to create a balance between possible negative analysis and postive analysis, and look for BOTH kinds of information."
hear hear......
"So, what about a fully benevolent alien intervention in order to "unite" humanity under "world peace"? Sure, but under what conditions, what kind of "peace" and "who says"? If it was up to "me", I'd love to have a big party in 2012 with the whole world, aliens and ET's uniting together and make a big love fest."
LOL....it goes WAY deeper than that deer sur......and am starting 2 C moor kleer yore true reasoningz quite possibly.....like thee example U maid with bush and iraq........what may B "fun and 'good'" 4 U may KNOT B sew "konducive" 2 thee planet and oar thee whole ov life, there4 will, az bush, kome 2 thee realizayshun ov, well, quite a few thingz really.......
" However, so far I haven't come across anything that supports that case."
and U wont, knot until its N front ov thee face, literally moor sew than figuratively........those b ingz ov witch yer speeking have and will go 2 whatever lengths 2 knot have thee publik know thee truth..........
another point N kase iz thee lumping 2gether ov "alien life form", az well az thee "seperatedness" from earth populace.......
N other werdz, where duz one suppose hue man life started hear, and how? from 'cavemen"? and then what, these different aliens kame N and genetikally altered thee "cavemen", kreating thee homosapiens?
know one on thee face ov this planet, may B with excepshun ov a few, nose how life got hear, Y its hear, sew on and sew 4th.....
bernhard, U menshun using re: search and intuition, yet others with opposing vu points kood say thee same, az well az yore Re: search, unless eye am gravely mistaken, iz much like thee historikal dokuments hear......2nd hand data, 3rd hand data, etc........
and again, if hue manz just "appeared" hear, then were genetikally manipulated, and thee alienz R koming back 4 moor, from thee looks ov thingz u'd better prepare and fast sumhow, kuz it looks az tho hue manity iz ill equipped 2 deel with a scenario az N depth az what U prezent........
and eye am knot disputing certain 'alien agendas"......
just trying 2 0ver ride thee "seperatedeness" that komes with thee term/koncept" alien......projekshun ov a scenario that exists all red E on earth..."illegal immigrants" B ing fucked with buy those alienz U speek ov bernhard.....
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:37 PMbd: any problem with getting back/writs and coherency?
its monday nite, cold pizza and beer
sure, i am a health freak
but comfort food sure comes in handy...
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:39 PMwhat eye mint buy thee last line
"just trying 2 0ver ride thee "seperatedeness" that komes with thee term/koncept" alien......projekshun ov a scenario that exists all red E on earth..."illegal immigrants" B ing fucked with buy those alienz U speek ov bernhard..... "
N other werdz, "immigrayshun" agents, "border patrol", etc, branches ov thee "govt"s, ultimately R thee illuminati......
az az ben stated, thee 'alien' N vasion occured 1000's ov yeers ago......
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:51 PMthere R multitudes ov people suffering on earth.......we C posts and listings galore about thee tibetan monks......thee eye rack war.....people want it 2 stop......knot 2 menshun all thee homeless and hungry N thee streets ov planet ameriKKKa......
meanwhile men E sit up on their "knew age throne" speeking "thee sekret" about how 2 "spiritually draw N moor money".......
eye was speeking with a lady from england once, and we were N thee hart ov thee city, surrounded buy shopping karts turned N2 homes, full ov debris and kanz and bottles N hopes ov moor beer oar may B sum food......and thee konversayshun had alot 2 dew with this topik N thee scents ov "divine inner vention" 2 answer thee kall/kry from thee millionz who want help out ov thee red tape swamp ov stalling mekanizmz that keep holding back thee evolutionary process ov hue manz on this partikular planet........and she sed "well, weather it B change from "out there" "on planet", she "wasnt N A hurry".......
and sew eye pointed 2 thee homeless people and sed, yeah, eye bet they're knot N A hurry either.......2 have shelter, food, healthkare, love, nurturing.........
N stead one iz kast out 2 wander thee streets if one duz knot komply with societal and governMENTAL kontrol.........
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:33 PMwhen we keep pointing out that hue manity iz rather "ill equipped", hears an example......
from thee kaptz blog archives
people.tribe.net/bedouin/b...28dba1aafe
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:30 AMhi Bernhard,
first and foremost.... nothing about my response to you is personal. you take it personally... but that does not mean it is.
i understand that Reiki works for you... how else could you then turn around and sell it to others. and as far as "why would they come back?"... well there it goes to show... healing is not what happens.... rather temporary relief is what happens.
the reason i do not wish to meet with you Bernhard is because i prefer to keep our relationship online only. since you continue to post disinformation and fear based theories on this tribe as well as advertise your "healing" business, i do not wish to dilute my response to that by developing a personal relationship with you. that way... it's not about you Bernhard, it's about what you spread around as "what is".
hope this helps you get over yourself a little.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:41 AM>>>you take it personally...<<<
i try not to
can you spell cranial sacral?
i know nothing about reiki
and less about CS
but it saved my life (along with other modalities)
sure, maybe big b is a crack addict or something
and needs the money
have you ever seen art save lifes?
some of bodywork and energywork way beyond me
but not much else...
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:55 AMawwww..... David does that mean you may not join us in 2012 on the Playa?
surpassing animosity and evolving into love.....
One Hugs!
To you too Rog.... I understand you more now.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:58 AMawwww..... David does that mean you may not join us in 2012 on the Playa?
Surpass animosity and evolve into love.....
One Group Hugsyloopers! come on now... and um, to you too Roger.... I understand you more now.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:01 AMThe Human Agenda is something we need to focus more attention on I think.... most UFO's we see in the sky are government craft anyway.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:20 AMohh.... don't get me wrong Lana. if i were to run across B anywhere at anytime.. i would hug and hold him as the Light brothers we are.
i just don't feel all that inclined to meet up for coffee or tea so that we can "undo misunderstandings". at this stage i prefer B as an online object rather than an in person subject.
2012 on the playa... that might be a plan!! i went once back in '04 and was definitely blown away. but the following year i sat 10 days of vipassana. i got blown inward and have been going back there each year instead. true healing for donation only. www.dhamma.org -
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:36 AMdavid why dont you and B meet 2012 burning man, we are thinking of organising a 2012 tribe community camp/event/gig
2012.tribe.net/thread/585...4e11485b1af
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:48 AMsorry Elo... just as i am against energy movement for 'healing'... i am against all kinds of violence.
admittedly i am still working on not being violent with my words.
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:10 PMwell, the funny thing about this all is, that I don't even do pure Reiki sessions or "energy moving" as David calls it.
My work is very physical, traditional deep tissue and working with the muscles. At the end of a full body massage I maybe do a couple of minutes of Reiki. So far, btw, I have only done FREE Reiki sessions to my friends.
Just shows how David is projecting into me things I don't even do, but it just based on the FACT that he simply can't stand me and is always looking for something to put me down.
Fact is, if we would meet personally, he'd have to let go of seeing me as on object and stop bashing on me, because he'd see me for who I really am, so he'd have to let go of all his projections against me.
He doesn't want that.
So, don't give me that crap that it is not personal, David. It is.
Also the fact, that you can't prove what is Disinfo in my essay and saying it would take too much time to make the case?...just says it all.
Silly excuse from someone who has no idea what he's talking about.
It's really lame, nothing more or less.
Disinfo? Ok, fine, I'm willing to make corrections. Most of the stuff in the essay are not even my words but based on peoples reserach in that field for decades. If I'm really that much off and you know better, David, why not help me out and show me where I'm wrong?
I'm open for constructive critic, for the sake of truth.
However, fact is you don't like me personally (stop denying it), although you don't know me.
All these years you only bash on me and try to find fault in me.
You are not willing to communicate or resolve anything.
You don't want to meet, you want to keep that image you have of me in your mind that suits you, so you can keep on projecting.
Honestly, it's people like you who do more harm than any good, hiding behind this fake "love and light" image but when it comes to action and a chance for healing/resolve, they don't walk their talk. In that sense you are not helping in this time of change at all.You let ego rule, before anything else.
And please, stop telling me you have nothing against me personally or any other crap.
I'm not interested in your shallow and empty words.
I'm interested in what you really DO how you put into practice what you preach.
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:30 PMhow can he not take it personally when he got called a "charleton"?!!
i do wish i could see the day when you guys could meet and hug....probably end up more like brothers....and yes, it would certainly take the "hot air" out of the balloon, now wouldn't it
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Re: hue man agendas
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 1:45 PM"well, the funny thing about this all is, that I don't even do pure Reiki sessions or "energy moving" as David calls it.
My work is very physical, traditional deep tissue and working with the muscles. At the end of a full body massage I maybe do a couple of minutes of Reiki. So far, btw, I have only done FREE Reiki sessions to my friends. "
sew eye pulled up a tribe.net listing from bernhard from a little over a month ago, and according 2 thee listing U DO charge 4 reiki mate! at an N tro ducktory rate ov only 45$!!!!!!!
tribe.net listing: Reiki Healing Sessions
Message --------------Listing Contents--------------
Hello friends!
For a limited time I offer Reiki sessions at an introductory rate of $45.
Sessions are usually about one hour long and held at my place in Topanga.
Reiki is a very powerful healing modality which works on deeper levels and has wide ranging positive effects on one's life and being .
See a more detailed description below.
I'm a certified Reiki practitioner and have been working in the Healing Arts since 1997. For more info go to my website:
www.bernhardguenther.com
:: ABOUT REIKI ::
What is Reiki?
Rei = spirit, universal, mystery, holy, or spiritual.
Ki = chi, prana, life force, or energy.
Reiki is a healing technique which directs universal life force energy from the practitioner to the recipient for the purpose of relaxation, balance, well being & healing.
How Reiki works:
Like everything in nature, our bodies are made up of vibrational patterns. When in a state of balance, harmony, & wellness our bodies are like old growth forests or pure, clear water: vibrant, energized, aligned, focused, thriving, alive. Any number of things (injuries, emotionally traumatic events, psychic attacks, cellular memory, conditioned beliefs & responses, our everyday reality, etc.) can impact & disturb our natural vibrational patterns &, over time, cause suppressed or blocked functioning in specific or generalized areas of our body & psyche, dis-ease, & even illness.
Through a gentle hands-on technique, Reiki restores balance to the recipient's energy field & promotes the body's natural ability to heal through working at the source of the imbalance, whether it is physical, mental, spiritual, psychic, or in the subtle energy fields.
You can contact me through tribe or by phone: 310.902.9843
Blessings,
Bernhard:-)
To view this listing, click here:
california.tribe.net/request...5710748b
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 2:29 PMGentlemen, please.
The only thing I don't understand, why bashing each other publicly? There's a difference between arguing about subjective philosophies or ideas, but getting into personal battles on a forum...? Why don't you guys settle this in private messages? They are not even moderated so you can throw as many derogative words into each other as you want.
Bernhard, the only thing you should consider that David is going through some tough times recently. It is easier to accept that you have enemies, just as we all do (though some of us are not aware of them...).
I'm personally not a big fun of New Age "healing techniques" but I can still accept that some of them might be effective. I don't mind if you use the tribe for business promotion, because most of us do that too (including me as well). You're too sensitive when someone challenges your ideas, don't be such a soft pussy.
On the same note, David, with all due respect, you should move over Bernhard and stop the personal attacks. I myself not a die hard fan of his ideas and UFO/Alien stuff, but he has every right to express himself, just like everybody else (including roger too :D.
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 2:35 PMwell said Aunton. we are all human, but we are after all suposed to be looking for better ways of behaving post 2012, lets keep ideas and opinions in perspective ?
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Re: Alien Agenda
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:20 PMThanks Auton for your reason and insight.
"You're too sensitive when someone challenges your ideas, don't be such a soft pussy."
True, thanks for calling me out on that. One of my challenges in this life time. Moon in Cancer in the 12th house and rising Cancer.......for anyone who knows a bit about astrology.
In the end I have no problem with David challenging my profession. It just didn't have to to do aything with the topic at hand.
I agree that the personal stuff between me and David shouldn't have been on a public forum. However, he attakced me publicly, called me a charlatan, while saying he has nothing personal against me, so I felt the need to explain myself.
This is also the reason why I wanted to badly to meet up with him, because written word has its limitations and can be taken the wrong way without really looking at each other face to face and making en effort to resolve it all.
I'm really giving my best to heal this issue between me and him. There are many things I need to work on in this lifetime, just like we all have our lessons and David is not just all loving hugging, as we can see as well. It's actually interesting what I brought out of him.
He has issues, I have issues, no one on here is all holy and perfect, otherwise we wouldn't be here on this planet in this 3d experience to begin with. All there is, are lessons.
Like in any conflict there is a chance of healing, a chance of going beyond ego and show true compassion and unconditional love, learn the lessons and move one. That's the way I really see it. I though this situation would be a great opportunity to put into practice, what we mostly just talk about on here.
But in the end you're right, I sometimes react too much like hurt kid, rather than just letting things slide.
"How about going back to well mannered, intelligent, creative and polite way of conversation and raise the overall quality of this tribe?"
I'll give my upmost effort to do so.
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 3:13 PMcia was not even started before this
operation paperclip
sounded so simple
even serene
take the best and give them a ...job
5000 scientists, etc
brought here was the smokescreen
try: 50000 of the most hardened nazi's...
gee, mia kind of like your portfolia
but lets CUT:
i neeD not spell google for you
find out for yourself, if can vs wil be believed
bush? the real last name is scherf or scherff
you look that up, tell what you come up with
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Re: Alien Agenda
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 3:20 PMgee, mango can get away without response
why?
he's so smart
wait, clever too
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Re: Alien Agenda
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:27 PMsorry bernie, couldn't resist this one:
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Alien Agenda
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 8:26 PMdamn, shut down after 40 sec
sure feels great to laugh
that one catches by surprise in such a way that many...
reminds me of first time i arrived on some distant thread: obama
and its probably over 300 posts by now
first time i saw bE & bR, and they cut into the warm fuzzies
and declare some real truthisms...
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 8:40 PMOMFG!!!!
was going to shut down after 2:10 but made it to 2:40
this is the greatest, funniest thing i have ever seen
this is so funny i had to stop drinking...or choke
no wonder nobody needs to watch the stupid boob tube
or once tuned, never bother watching another 'movie'
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 7:05 PMwww.youtube.com/watch
i knew humor hour would be back
but do not giggle when google: clinton body count
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Bernhard's Alien Agenda
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:23 PMsee now... this is the fucked up thing about Bernhard and exactly why i take time out to directly challenge him and his bullshit.... when he writes "I don't even do pure Reiki sessions or "energy moving" and yet advertises his services as revealed by bedoine it proves him to be a bullshitter of the highest level.... i mean really.... do you not see this for yourselves? i mean seriously... how in your face does a lie have to be for anyone to take notice?
Bernhard has demonstrated himself time and time again to not be a man of his word. and it's all typed out in black and white for anyone to see. do i really need to go back and repost the bullshit for all to see? and just so we're clear folks... i state unequivocally that Bernhard is a dodgy and manipulative profile on this tribe and should not be afforded any credibility whatsoever.
and for the record littleflower, i think that if you had not gone under his hands, you would not be so easily swayed by all the bullshit and disinformation.
if this is perceived by some members of this tribe as 'personal'... then so be it. however, as long as B continues to spread his wackadoo fear based theories here on this tribe, i am going to continue to call him out in regards to this as well as his attempts to make money off of the poor suckers he is obviously trying to attract.
i don't give a flying hoot about people like roger or the many puppets which inhabit this tribe. they are such obvious wackjobs they don't require much if any response from me. but Bernhard and his kind do because they are much more measured and deliberately propagandist in nature.
and what can i say... in the end... Bernhard appears to be a total social retard and has extreme difficulty expressing his ideas without raising the ire of more than a few people on this tribe and on others... now you can buy into the bullshit and write that off to people being unable to accept his so called truth... or you can recognize the bullshit for 'what it is'. -
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Re: Bernhard's Alien Agenda
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:49 PM"see now... this is the fucked up thing about Bernhard and exactly why i take time out to directly challenge him and his bullshit.... when he writes "I don't even do pure Reiki sessions or "energy moving" and yet advertises his services as revealed by bedoine it proves him to be a bullshitter of the highest level.... i mean really.... do you not see this for yourselves? i mean seriously... how in your face does a lie have to be for anyone to take notice? "
David, just on a quick note, I did not deny that I put out an ad for Reiki sessions. However, no one has responded to that ad (mostly also because most of my friends on here are not from LA). As I said earlier, I put the ad out after I went to a Reiki workshop, for he sake of seeing the response. The going rate for a Reiki session in my area (Topanga, Venice, St. Monica) is $60-80, all of them Charlatans I suppose.
However, truth is I have not gotten paid for any Reiki session EVER and I make my money by doing physical deep tissue bodywork with some "energy work" thrown in at the end or throughout. I work on people for free or they pay me. It's called sliding scale. That's just as it is. Believe it or not. My conscience is clean. I'm in peace. Thank you.
I wish you all the best, seriously and I give you a hug from my heart!
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Re: hue man agendas
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 2:54 PM"On the same note, David, with all due respect, you should move over Bernhard and stop the personal attacks."
4 christs sake Y iz it when sum one kallz sumthing out itz percieved az an "attack"
tell G bush he's a warmonger and heed probably say "Y R U attacking me!?!?!"
"He might be "spreading" disinfo, but he certainly isn't the only one on this board. "
thats fore shore.......B tween that and people knot B ing able 2 properly diskuss/acknowledge certain thingz eye have stayed away from this tribe.....
until now.....with bernhards ALIEN AGENDA......attrakted me hear faster than when we saw "nukes" B ing "built" on earth,......
and az 4 mia:
"i agree with lana. the government is heavily involved in these ufo programs. i wish i could prove it. maybe one day...."
thee "govt" iz exaktly thee "alienz" ov witch bernhard speex.......thee "govt" iz knot "seperate from" thee "alienz" N kwestion, they ARE thee "alienz" N kwestion.....and they have managed a mighty fine job at konfusing thee masses......
"non-intervention" protokol 93/93-13, "divine intervention", iz N 0rder we feel........
kant make a move til we get thee goa hed from starfleet kouncel.....
dont know whats taking sew long......
majority iz suffering down hear.....
Re: kwesting assistance kmndr ;;>)))
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:32 PMthee "govt" iz exaktly thee "alienz" ov witch bernhard speex.......thee "govt" iz knot "seperate from" thee "alienz" N kwestion, they ARE thee "alienz" N kwestion.....and they have managed a mighty fine job at konfusing thee masses......
Indubitably
"non-intervention" protokol 93/93-13, "divine intervention", iz N 0rder we feel........
kant make a move til we get thee goa hed from starfleet kouncel.....
dont know whats taking sew long......
majority iz suffering down hear.....
Re: kwesting assistance kmndr ;;>)))
The numbers are sooo close now...
We should start an awareness movement to get people to ask for intervention....
I agree, that Earth Humans need to learn to fix their own problems and I agree that baby-sitting them would not help much...
However, They are not even 'Aware' of the crimes being committed, much less able to do anything about it... We have seen this with the other planets that the Draconians have gained control of... down to like 21 in the galaxy... we are one of last...
XLR8!!!
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:35 PMOh it is already proven... That is what the Disclosure Project is all about... Germany Admitted to their involvement back in the 50s.... I need to find that clip... Other governments have disclosed what little they know... Germany, US and UK are the main governments involved... US and UK did not know about Germany until the Brain-Drain/Project Paper Clip projects after WWII.... -
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:41 PMquik, go take a nap
i just woke
save yourself
DO NOT BRING Up:
bush/scherf...or was it 2 f's?
>>>what little they know...<<<
paper
clip
this should be interesting....
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 3:43 PMand THANK U kapt manjushri
"I agree, that Earth Humans need to learn to fix their own problems and I agree that baby-sitting them would not help much..."
agreed......
"However, They are not even 'Aware' of the crimes being committed, much less able to do anything about it..."
AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
"However, They are not even 'Aware' of the crimes being committed, much less able to do anything about it..."
a MAIN POINT that weave ben attempting 2 make hear folks.......
"We have seen this with the other planets that the Draconians have gained control of... down to like 21 in the galaxy... we are one of last..."
and eye'll B darned if eye and thee otherz R gonna let this one die out.........
divine intervention protokol 93/93-13 DEFINATELY AN 0RDER.....eye mean in order.....hehe
SIRIUSLY
and again kapt manjushri......thank U
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Re: Alien Agenda
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:16 PMYahoo News today!
Green aliens and UFOs said to visit UK: secret files
Aliens from outer space have been visiting Britain for years and UFO sightings doubled after the film Close Encounters was released in 1977, according to secret files collating reports by members of the public.
The alien craft come in all shapes, sizes and colors but their occupants are uniformly green, the Ministry of Defence files show.
The archives (at ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ ) are the first batch of a four-year release program of all the ministry's UFO files from 1978 to the present day.
The ministry dismisses 90 percent of the reports as having mundane explanations and leave 10 percent with a question mark and the assurance they are no defense threat.
More:
au.news.yahoo.com/080513/15/16ui9.html
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 10:27 PMknot those guise again........
they gotta stop eatin sew men E green beenz.......hehe
"10 percent with a question mark and the assurance they are no defense threat. "
LOL.....
ON WITH THEE SHOW!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: GREEN ALIENZ!!!!!
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:34 PMBackground on secret file opening:
The truth is out: X-Files go public
British UFO 'sightings' investigated by a secret branch of the MoD are soon to be revealed and officials are braced for a torrent of inquiries
Mark Townsend, defence correspondent The Observer, Sunday January 6 2008
"Without warning, the orange UFO swooped toward them. The crew of the RAF Vulcan bomber banked hard and radioed they were being chased across the Atlantic by a large mysterious object. The incident was classified as a UFO sighting and the details were immediately locked away.
Now, 30 years later, the extraordinary encounter is among thousands of previously secret cases contained in the government's 'X-Files' that officials are to release in their entirety.
The cases, many from a little-known defence intelligence branch tasked with investigating UFO claims, will be published by the Ministry of Defence to counter what officials say is 'the maze of rumour and frequently ill-informed speculation' surrounding Whitehall and its alleged involvement with Unidentifed Flying Objects.
The public opening of the MoD archive will expose the once highly classified work of the intelligence branch DI55, whose mission was to investigate UFO reports and whose existence was denied by the government until recently."
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:47 PMwhatever it takes 2 shake rattle and roll thee stat US quo back N2 alignment......hehehehe
knew "status quo"
stewards ov earth
Earth: Equal-opportunity-employer
and U dont knead a green kard.........oar an "ID", oar "SSN", nun ov that......
soon hue manity will truly understand what it iz 2 B free and soveriegn.......
ov korse with that duz kome a whole knew type ov "Re: sponsibility"
U kan yet only begin 2 imagine......
sew pleeze dew.......begin imagining......earth az a free and sovereign planet........
W0W...........what a koncept.......
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Re: Alien Agenda
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:15 AM>>the first batch of a four-year release program of all the ministry's UFO files from 1978 to the present day.<<
2008-2012?
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Re: Remote seeing Tibetan Monk forsees opening of British UFO files
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:57 AMOk now I've got your attention I've got to tell u I am sitting here bemused by the fact that anything - an old story of a UFO remote seeing Tibetan monk etc - is more noteworthy than the fact that the British govt has released the files of a previously denied secret organisation charged with investigating UFOs:
>The public opening of the MoD archive will expose the once highly classified work of the intelligence branch DI55, whose mission was to investigate UFO reports and whose existence was denied by the government until recently."<
More: www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/....military
The lack of interest here is even more noteworthy considering that the French govt site was overloaded by the release of their files. I expected a bit of interest emanating from here regarding the British govt UFO files (if only from the threads originator?):
>The decision to release Whitehall's full back-catalogue of UFO investigations was taken last month after the Directorate of Air Space Policy, the government agency responsible for filtering sensitive reports, gave its permission to publish the biggest single release of documents in MoD history. Now the government fears a repeat of the unprecedented demand and the website crash experienced by the French national space agency in March when it released its own UFO files. Government IT experts are believed to have drawn up contingency plans to avoid a repeat scenario when Britain's dossiers are finally made public.<
People - it looks like the Brit Final Revelations coincide with 2012.
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Re: Remote seeing Tibetan Monk forsees opening of British UFO files
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 3:26 AMthat is interesting Thirty Nine, it will be interesting to see what the most convincing cases on there files are like when published.
re lack of interest on here, i do feel that many of the belivers in this stuff may belong to this camp unfortunatly -
<<'Conspiracy theorists who believe that the various governments of the world are hiding secrets about the "reality" of aliens will see this as another whitewash effort by the MoD and will probably continue their self-sustaining "campaign for the truth", when the truth will in fact now be "out there".'>> -
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Re: Remote seeing Tibetan Monk forsees opening of British UFO files
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:17 PMElo, I appreciate your comments. :-) You’re probably right re lack of interest. It‘s of interest to me because I‘ve always been sort of indifferent to the whole UFO issue, although I‘ve occasionally slid into the believers/non-believers camps.
I'm really excited by this.
At this stage a huge step has occurred. The admission of the secret agency charged with investigating UFO reports and the public availability of some of their files. 10% with a question mark? This is massive grist for the mill! It’s really lifted the UFO issue to a whole new realm of legitimacy - away from the lunatic fringe.
There is definitely an association here with govt fears of weapon’s capabilities of other nations. UFOs are, after all, merely unidentified flying objects.
My understanding of the issue is that the whole phenomenon did have much greater legitimacy in the 1950’s. Some of the most publicised and controversial sightings occurred in the 1952 sightings wave.
“The summer 1952 UFO sighting wave was one of the largest of all time, and arguably the most significant of all time in terms of the credible reports and hardcore scientific data obtained. Electromagnetic (EM) effects and physical trace evidence were more prominent in other waves, but 1952 (and 1953) featured recurring radar detection of UFOs, often from both ground and airborne radar, visual sightings by jet interceptor pilots sent up to pursue the mysterious objects, and cat-and-mouse chases in which the UFOs seemed to toy with the interceptors.
Further, Air Force investigators who plotted the sightings noticed that they were concentrated around strategic military bases, and this clearly posed a threat to national security since their origin was unknown. Senior generals in the Air Force concluded that UFOs were interplanetary in origin, and broadly hinted this belief in LIFE magazine for April 1952.
By the end of 1952 the relatively new Central Intelligence Agency convened a high-level panel of scientists to review the data, and Major Donald E. Keyhoe, USMC (Ret.) wrote his most famous book, Flying Saucers From Outer Space, based largely on Air Force Intelligence reports given to him by the Air Force.
What happened next constitutes one of the major unanswered questions of UFO history. The very compelling evidence obtained during 1948 led the top officers in the Air Force Project Sign UFO investigation to send a Top Secret Estimate of the Situation report to headquarters concluding that flying saucers were interplanetary, but the conclusion was rejected for lack of proof at headquarters level. Again on the basis of strong evidence obtained in 1950 and 1951 the Air Force, this time at top levels, considered that UFOs probably were extraterrestrial in origin. Why, then, was the even stronger evidence obtained in 1952 ultimately rejected and its significance denied after 1953? What happened in 1952, in terms of radar-visual evidence, and in 1953, in terms of government and military politics, richly deserves careful and thorough review by historians and scientists.”
( www.nicap.org/waves/1952fullrep.htm )
But then the aliens didn’t land (not in the public sense) and the issue lost credibility.
“The extremely high numbers of UFO reports in 1952 disturbed both the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Both groups felt that an enemy nation could deliberately flood the U.S. with false UFO reports, causing mass panic and allowing them to launch a sneak attack. On September 24 1952 the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) issued a memorandum to Walter B. Smith, the CIA's director. The memo stated that "the flying saucer situation... have national security implications... [in] the public concern with the phenomena... lies the potential for the touching-off of mass hysteria and panic" (Clark, p.514). The result of this memorandum was the creation in January 1953 of the Robertson Panel. Physicist H.P. Robertson chaired the panel, which consisted of prominent scientists and which spent two days examining the "best" UFO cases collected by Project Blue Book. The panel dismissed nearly all of the UFO cases it examined as not representing anything unusual or threatening to national security. In the panel's controversial estimate, the Air Force and Project Blue Book needed to spend less time analyzing and studying UFO reports and more time publicly debunking them. The panel recommended that the Air Force and Project Blue Book should take steps to "strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired." (Clark, p.514) Following the Panel's report, Project Blue Book would rarely publicize any UFO case that it had not labeled as "solved"; unsolved cases were rarely mentioned by the Air Force.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952...O_incident
Unsolved, but no defense threat. Project Blue Book appears to have adopted a similar position to MoD:
“The ministry dismisses 90 percent of the reports as having mundane explanations and leave 10 percent with a question mark and the assurance they are no defense threat.”
It’s not surprising govts don’t like to admit to not knowing. I think that really govts Are primarily concerned with the strategic implications for national security. They have no interest in recognising a greater power: whether alien or god. And so won’t if they don’t have to. Govts only want to maintain the status quo. -
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dear Bernhard~
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 10:44 PMi Love you.
you are Light to our shadow
we do this because we can
i'm sorry for the tension
i feel that you understand the truth
i'm honored to consider you a friend
this is a very deep game
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Re: dear Bernhard~
Sat, May 17, 2008 - 10:14 AMThank you David.
Let's leave our egoness behind and move on from there.
Even if we don't agree on some issues, we can agree to disagree, can't we?
"this is a very deep game"
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 10:20 AMohyes!!! we certainly agree to agree to disagree.
tho... i got news for all involved in online discussions... it's all ego baby!
no way to get around that.
nothing personal... it's not you... it's us.
and Bernhard... i'm glad to hear that you don't make it a habit of selling reiki.
i look forward to continued honest and sincere discussion.
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 4:31 AMda & Be
big babies, don't quit now.
what?
no more foul language?
a little never hurt anybody
neither does a little beer
sure, take fun away
its called: down and dirty...?
blades...dull
boringly bland
now to look forward to
well, at least yu are still
jabbing
gee, some do got too much time
and others...well,
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Re: Remote seeing Tibetan Monk forsees opening of British UFO files
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 10:58 PMbetween brilliant and boring...
this post rates beyond: aBsurd
maybe this is a spoof; i have been caught before
worse than poisoned wiki? project blue book...
i am tired of asking if people are on meds,
or maybe poor diet, could be too much alcohol...
or maybe not enough?
for some, porn does not even help...
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Re: Remote seeing Tibetan Monk forsees opening of British UFO files
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 11:07 PM39, you're seriously ruining the thread. After all that excitement, we don't even get to see an ET? It's all governmental cover up?
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Re: Remote seeing Tibetan Monk forsees opening of British UFO files
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 11:22 PMI doubt the government really knows much.......it's not under their control.
Besides, you'll only be told what you "need" to know,
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TERMZ ov N dear mint
Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:20 AM"I doubt the government really knows much.......it's not under their control."
well dear sur that all D pendz.........
thee term "govt" kan B a rather broad term.......wood U konsider thee "illuminati" az "part ov thee govt"? eye wood say yes, i.e. certain partikular govt politikal figures........
however we kan konsider that there R those with N thee govt facilities and such who might B very well waking up az well, az thee "private sektor" and "govt" sektor R still "one", N A scents.....
"DMT can help with some reptilian encounters for sure...."
fun E how people smoke DMT when its N thee body and kan B accessed at N E time.....Y smoke it....have wondered that quite often......
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Re: Reiki?
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 1:09 PMJust to clear up abit about the digs about Reiki.
For more information about Reiki I suggest trying other tribes and perhaps even learning about the subject!
What many people call Reiki is a small part of an extensive system. The system relates to the martial arts, massage, acupressure/acupuncture, Buddhist teachings, sound healing, crystal healing, meditation (including Vippasana), Chi Gung, esoteric teachings, mysteries schools, and much more. Mikao Usui (who named the system 'Reiki') was trained in all the above and taught much of it to his higher level students before he died.
What was subsequently taught by one of his students to some people in Hawaii was NOT the complete system (by any stretch of the imagination) and was therefore NOT Reiki. The effects of such diluted teaching for large sums of money, was the corruption of the system for thousands of people and a process that many are still struggling with today.
So when people who clearly know next to nothing about the system called Reiki, complain about what some other people do or not with it, all they are doing is making themselves look very limited in understanding, and frankly not worth taking much notice of!
To give you a little hint, the technique which includes 'the laying on of hands and allowing energy to flow', is one technique amongst many, and is NOT an expression of the sum of techniques in Reiki at all.
When you know that there are over 70 potential hand positions, on the physical body, during a session, and that does not include the vast number of other ways of healing with the wider system that include off-body positions and techniques, psychic surgery techniques, guided visualisations and meditations, specific mantras and yantras, movements and breathing techniques for preparation and to add to the experience, then the very limited experience that large numbers of people have experienced is akin to having the hors d'oevres without the rest of the meal.
As for 'charging to move energy', people who have spent thousands learning a system, and who do not have another job, are entitled to charge for their time, just like academics, medics, priests, teachers, etc charge for their time! To suggest that someone is not entitled to earn a living only shows the limited nature of the suggesting person's thought processes!
A Reiki Practitioner has to prepare for a session, needs to pay for materials, administration, continuing their study, like other professionals in most vocations.
Such is the misunderstanding by so many writers on the subject, that large numbers of books on the subject should be removed from sale because they are mostly not true. Stories about Usui being a Christian, healing beggars, teaching in the 19th century are all nonsense and were told to gain power over students through limitation and confusion.
For myself, I have taught Reiki since 1998 and know that although I have an extensive library of techniques, I still have masses more to learn. This is because I know that the upper levels (5,6,7) of Reiki are by invitation and cannot be bought. And I know that very few people on this planet are 'Masters' but that there are many practitioners and teachers, and that the 'Master' title was made-up by the people who set out to corrupt the system for money and power.
I charge according to a sliding scale and donation, and rarely give my time for healings without exchange. I have saved a number of people from operations with deep techniques and dietary advice. I do not have to justify myself to anyone here and nor does Bernhard, Little Flower or anyone else!
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Re: Aliens
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:59 PMSold To The Highest Buddha
youtube.com/watch
I'm zero the hero
And my head has floated away in the sky - don't know why
And now this spaceship headin' for me
I thought I was lost in the spaces and now all these faces...
And still I can't tell if it's really a spell
or exactly what's happenin' to me...
Look out, we're being invaded !
Hang on to your hat, we're being raided !
And Captain Capricorn, that's who's behind it
If nothing's there to find, you know he'll find it
Hang on to your head
Hang on to your head
Hang on to your head
Hang on to your head...
It's a hassle you know to make rocket ships go to infinity
And I'm so sick of God and these bishops that talk of divinity
Now my head's feeling strange and my codpiece is starting to tremble
And that head in the sky there is starting to look like the devil...
Look out, we're being invaded !
Hang on to your hat, we're being raided !
Demons of the mind coming to get you
Until you're clean, the devil won't forget you...
Hang on to your head
Hang on to your head
Hang on to your head
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Re: Aliens
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:22 AM>>>>Sold To The Highest Buddha <<<<<<<<
AHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOVE LOVE LOVE Gong!!!
Yes yes yes!!
More flying teacups and potheaded pixies is what our imaginations could use about now... :D
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Re: Reiki?
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:42 PM>Re: Reiki?
Yesterday, 1:09 PM
in response to: TERMZ ov N dear mint
Just to clear up abit about the digs about Reiki.<
or maybe you have muddled it...
mysticism is not a part of chiropractic and/or rolfing
and neither is cranial sacral
i was not a skeptic of reiki but now appear as the cynic
i can probably see it coming now: reiki is a pre-evolved source of the
above three, but much more...
call me stupid, but not limited in understanding
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Re: Reiki?
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 7:53 PMTHANK YOU PSI!!!
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Re: Reiki?
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 2:27 AMfemales...
always got to get
the
last
word...in
just reread the whole, from begin...
best ever...
tequila is finally gone, and so am...
wanted: good blade sharpener...
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Re: Reiki?
Wed, May 21, 2008 - 8:46 AMyes psi, thanks for the input. spoken like a man who sells rieki~
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Re: Reiki?
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 3:26 AMYes dwassisname, thanks for the input. Spoken like a man who hasn't got a clue about Reiki (can't even spell it!).
I do NOT 'sell Reiki' - I exchange fairly for my time! Just like other people who work for a living and pay (reluctantly) taxes, bills, rent, costs, I have to earn money to pay my share of my household's expenses.
Only spoilt brats can afford not to charge for their time - are you one of those?
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Re: Reiki?
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:54 PMhehehe... well Psi... i see that you are consistant in your abrasiveness. and that of course brings me back to the table for a response.
you do 'sell reiki' Psi.... i'm curious to know what you consider fair exchange for your time?
and i find it especially interesting that the profile on this tribe most similar to Bernhard in substance and in style is you Psi.... and now it turns out that you too are a seller of 'healing' via an energy moving modality such a Reiki... very interesting indeed!
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Re: under lying tonez
Fri, May 23, 2008 - 12:15 AMback 2 thee subjekt N deed david........
from thee "get go" eye have sensed a partikular underlying tone from bernhard on this subjekt, i.e. "alien agenda".....
0ver on STARSEED tribe, one named Somonai, had this 2 say:
Dear Bernhard,
I see that you are a keen thinker and that you are concerned that many people are just too gullible for safety. However, your way of presenting gives me the impression that you regard yourself as a leading expert on the topic of credibility. You seem to have no qualms about elevating your own viewpoint way above anyone else's. Hmmm... By the way, URANTIA Foundation does not promote any word about "Galactic Federation", nor does the text that it safeguards. I wonder what other rash statements permeate your monologue...
There are no points for guessing a few facts Bernhard, only friendly responses for managing to communicate one's noble feelings. It is clear that you have noble feelings, so how about you try to extend them rather than just blast away at what others might or might not be doing (not that you really seem to know).
For all you know, there could be an entity called the Galactic Federation that is superior in ethics to any society of humans here on this planet. And maybe such an entity is the force needed to rid this planet of some interplanetary beings that are exploiting we Urthlings for their own very selfish purposes.
starseed.tribe.net/thread/c...79f143943
az well az eye scents a bit ov "pride" i.e. "we dont knead know stinkin alienz 2 save us"
and we keep sayin, it aint like that mate.......aint like that at all.......SIRIUSLY.........
earlier on bernhardz blog quest for the holy grail and time of transition eye found this 2 B ov subtle yet pertinent possible interest.....
"Let us now examine the case of what the Gospel calls ravening wolves. Jesus
said: 'Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves'."
'There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shall show great signs and
wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.'
people.tribe.net/aquamantar/blog
what eye find 0dd about this reference iz that, well, unless eye am mistaken thee "bilbe" iz basikally highly tampered with truths.......truths with lies and lies with N truths......
its like "tricks with N tricks"......those who "promote thee bible az gospel" R thee "false prophets" them selves......unity and peace will arise from true konshuss kompashun/hue man awakening rather than "unified under NWO" type shit az esoterik agenda points out........thee illuminati haz "used" "global warming" N A Re: verse psykologiokal manor......thee earth iz B ing affekted, tho knot quite N thee weigh its prezented i.e global warming, and sew thee powerz that B raise thee issue then have it diskredited via al gore..........
and on top ov that those who have ben manipulayting earth 4 sew men E yearz managed 2 N filtrate thee data ov whats occuring via "new age" movemint.......with movies like THE SECRET, and all sorts ov tranceksripts telling us "we're all red E free"....oar "we're all red E N lightened", giving false hopes, even with sum ov thee 1st kontakt trance skripts, altho sum eye have scene arent "false hope" az sew much az Re: minder ov thee patience Re: choired 4 such aktivayshuns az earth iz N during rite now........
again, from Somonai
people.tribe.net/679f74fc-...bcfb7fdc38
"For all you know, there could be an entity called the Galactic Federation that is superior in ethics to any society of humans here on this planet. And maybe such an entity is the force needed to rid this planet of some interplanetary beings that are exploiting we Urthlings for their own very selfish purposes."
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Re: Remote seeing Tibetan Monk forsees opening of British UFO files
Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:06 AM>39, you're seriously ruining the thread. After all that excitement, we don't even get to see an ET? It's all governmental cover up?
Do I need to go back smoking DMT? <
Auton, I don't understand you. I've chosen to interpret this as an ironic comment on the fact that the exact opposite had occurred. I had made a valiant attempt to rescue the thread from the totally degenerative and irrelevant diversion into reiki that had occurred.
My attempt failed, but I appreciate the fact that you have, through the use of complex irony, acknowledged my heroic attempt.
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