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if they kill all these people the UN should go in, that would be very different situation than Iran.
I cant belive that in the UK some media outlets this is not the leading story, here they are still going on about stupid bloody stuff like which MP cliamed 1,000 dollars too much expense when people are dieing in Iran fighting for freedom !
if they kill all these people the UN should go in, that would be very different situation than Iran.
I cant belive that in the UK some media outlets this is not the leading story, here they are still going on about stupid bloody stuff like which MP cliamed 1,000 dollars too much expense when people are dieing in Iran fighting for freedom !
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Sat, June 20, 2009 - 11:43 AMElo, the UN is not about to go into such a situation. China or russia would veto in a flash. Would not even win general assembly vote. Gota long way to go yet. Not to mention that more than half this tribe would wet their diapers crying about "NWO" " global government". -
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 5:35 PMyes i know, thats the sad fact of the matter. Its just so horrible how these people got there hopes up so high, and its being crushed so brutaly now, many reports of crowds been attacked by milita with axes now, just choping into them, helicopters were throwing boiling water with chemical agent on the protestors heads on Satarday, its just so sickening.
You know im starting to suspect Callerman was onto something now with his timing, he gets a bit too anal about it but i definatly feel at the very least this mayan 2012 effect comes in waves.
Remeber i kept saying before i think it may get worse before it gets better, i guess i forgot about that and i had my hopes up for awhile with the green revolution thing, but sadly maybe we are entering another down turn now, this is his chart anyway, scroll halfway down the article and youll find it -
www.calleman.com/content/a...f_2012.htm
maybe things will tempory get worse before the spring back.
I fear we are going to maybe even see something simular in China, fear because it could be so explosive a situation, but ulimatly i think the world will be better for it, but it feels like a possibly enormous earthquake that could be coming, not literaly as some of the nuts have been saying, but literaly amongst human beings.
maybe though things will hapeen more gently but still profoundly there, its impossible to predict of course.
Either way i sense this change is unstoppable and to a large extent pre- wired, at the very least if not in the mechanisim of the spring behind the waves.
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 4:55 AMthere could be some very good news on its way though, this may not happen, but if it does it will be fantastic -
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 9:17 AMI think a runoff would by far be the best solution. Replacement of the Supreme Leader would help, too.
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 3:36 PM<How long before we see a strong female candidate in Iran? Now that would be the day...>
ha ha, well if Mousavi and the reformists eventualy win that could certainly happen. Woman graduates are grwoing at break neck spead in Iran and Mousavi and others around him are quite into womans rights.
There is a chance, but Amerdinjad has basicly done a military coup with the suport of the Supreme leader. Iit seems tough against the wishes of the majority Ayatollas led by Rafsanjani - often refered to as the second most powerful man in Iran, head of the assembly of experts which has the power to remove the supreme leader. They are cracking down on the reformist in a very brutal way.
Iran is even more split than America was last summer. Lets hope the moderates win in Iran eventualy like the moderates won in America ! -
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 5:08 PMOver 60% of iran's university students are women! The population is younger than most countries, and these young people weren't all that into hard line islam and that is making them sure they don't want it. This is clearly a coup by the revolutionary guard and their supporters in the hard line clergy and parts of govt.
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:10 PMTotally agree.
My boss is Iranian and I suspect he'd be among the first to go if things were allowed to go their present way because he's a thinker. A realist.
Iran is a country where well over *50%* of the population is under 30 years old. Read that again. More than 50%.
The majority of those souls are not interested in a mullah ruled theocracy. Not in the least. The task at hand is to wait the dinosaurs out so that the small scurrying mammals can take over as they did 65 million years ago. Evolution - even social evolution - is often long and laborious but make no mistake that it'll happen. -
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 12:17 PM<The majority of those souls are not interested in a mullah ruled theocracy. Not in the least>
its true what you all are saying, but dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Just bear in mind that many of these young people are DEEPLY religious - in the true sense of the word - Allah Ahkbar - God is great - was there rallying call at night on the roof tops, before they faced possible death in the morning, marching for freedom.
And get this, the biggest single threat to Amerdinjad and the supreme leader is the most senior holy man of all in Iran - more senior in Islam actuly than the Supreme leader - Rafsanjani. He is head of the "assembly of experts" who is the highest group of mullahs in Iran and they have the power to remove the Supreme leader.
They are all Mullah's, holy men, and the majority of them are behind Rafsanjani and oppose whats going on and very much oppose Amerdinjad. He is also a billionaire. So Rafsanjani also represents the desire to run economics sensibly Amerdinjad has made a right mess of there econmy. Amerdinjad principly represents the army and the security forces, but IS backed by the supreme leader and many of the conservative Mullahs clerics, and conservtive politicans.
So its not really a split between Islam vs the youth, its a split between progressive reformist politicans (mousavi) progessive Mullahs (Rafsanjani and most of the assembly of experts), and the young people. On the other side you have idiot brain Amerdinjad, the supreme leader and some of the as you correctly call them dionosaur Mullahs and clerics, and the Army.
Even though Amerdinjad has temporaily crushed this there is a crack right down Iranian society that is like an earthquake and it aint going to go away, pretty sure about that.
If they dont win on this "wave" of the 2012 energy swing, they will surely sweep the dinosaurs away on the next even bigger wave !
The sort of Islam the young people will like will be things like this - sufi. -
www.youtube.com/watch
there also geting into stuff like hip hop, rap and all the rest of it. Some of them got Disel jeans and all that kind of thing. In fact in parts of Tehran it seems like some of the young are having an almost 1960's cultural revolution, middle eastern styles, they have orgies and stuff. But many are still very deeply spirtual, deeply beliving in God.
My god with Persian woman the way the are Im thinking i need to get over there !
I think there is a vertible treasure trove of culture under the surface of Iran waiting to blossom in the 2012 sun, OMG how i welcome its rays aginst the green flags of hope there.
So sad that many have to be tortured, beaten, hit with axes and killed to achive that, but i guess some things are worth fighting for, some things are worth dieing for.
Isnt that a line from the Matrix ?........................................
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 12:39 PMyou don't have to die for some persian nookie...
if you're lucky you can get away with prison...
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 11:49 PMlol, well i certainly wasnt suggesting raping Persian woman.
Fact is Persia has the potential to be transformed into an incredibly beautiful country and culture now. If they get rid of this idiot Amerdinjad, the supreme leader and the conservative clerics.
Its a very simular situation to the battle between the hard line republicans and the progressives in America - though that war is in America is no way over yet, though the progressives certainly do have the upper hand.
What needs to happen now in America is the proggesives need to drive there victory even futher. They have landed in Dreasden now and are driving the baddies right back, but they shouldnt stop untill total transformation is achived, I think that will happen a decade or so post turning point of 2012.
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 12:10 AMwell even europe has some potential for becoming a quasi-civilised place if only they would get rid of the idiot powerbase and re-educate the population and hand over all decision making to me etc...
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Re: what is the UN for if it doesnt stop this ?
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 1:40 AM
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