http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#15af45ce-66c1-4334-b99c-29a08a924f68 Raw milk and things like uncooked yogurt made from it are not so unhealthy as anything cooked, to be sure. Raw eggs can have some benefit as well, but long-term use of these is not recommended. There are things like hormones and animal scent present that aren't desirable. Raw vegan versions can be made that are tasty and a safer bet healthwise. Animal husbandry is a trip, to be sure, and a tradition you might cherish. For me, it's a smelly and tedious business.... and my time & energy is better spent with growing plants and creating beautiful things that don't require constant maintenance. There is an aesthetic to working with animals.... it can be charming sometimes..... but when it comes to "converting" them into food... it is truly,profoundly disgusting to anyone not conditioned to accept that as "OK". As for raw unfiltered honey... I eat it and see no real negative health consequences.... but stay away from honey that isn't from conscientiously-treated bees gathering from non-sprayed flowers. Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:27:33 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#15af45ce-66c1-4334-b99c-29a08a924f68 Leslie 2007-12-08T15:27:33Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1dc77536-4f51-449f-9fd7-82942aaddf81 Most raw fooders are Vegan.....almost all the books and teachers about the raw food movement use no animal products at all..very few use honey. It is about fruits, seeds, nuts and vegetables. If you choose to use raw dairy and raise your own goats that is a personal call. I personally like to eat some raw goat cheese ocasionally as I love Cheese!!.....but there are some wonderful recipes for seed cheeses that are fantastic. Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:38:49 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1dc77536-4f51-449f-9fd7-82942aaddf81 Jewel 2007-12-08T14:38:49Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#74f15f71-cfe1-4aaa-acd8-b17c44d4b940 that is exciting, hope it comes to fruition soon.....what about a chicken..we end up eating mostly raw eggs a lot, and goats for milk and yogurt--you can have yogurt right? it is full of little enzymes, good things for the body. keeping animals is rewarding, goats are especially cool--but then in the end you could end up with quite a herd....but can you eat yogurt?i am curious... these things that are given from the animals , animals you care for and raise as a giving member of the family---in raw food world...is this deemed disgusting? Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:26:14 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#74f15f71-cfe1-4aaa-acd8-b17c44d4b940 $item.owner.firstName 2007-12-08T13:26:14Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#16c2d0b0-05b7-46f1-b2cc-7ce09de7f7b0 I have seed.... sproutable and directly edible. There's the start of a greenhouse I hope to complete and heat with free energy once that is apprehended by me. It's just out of my financial reach, but I know there are ways to make it happen, and this will make it possible for many more people to start growing fresh produce yearround most anywhere. Greenhouse agriculture powered by such free energy as Brown's gas technology and many other varieties of free energy will enable people to become self-reliant and live independently of the grid and the system to a much greater extent. Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:27:32 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#16c2d0b0-05b7-46f1-b2cc-7ce09de7f7b0 Leslie 2007-12-06T21:27:32Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6c68e9bd-9598-4c6c-97e8-7cf5e5b03b6d I thought N.A's comment was funny........ I do not believe the old school mentality is what has gotten us into the present unhealthy and unsustainable situations. I believe that it is the new school thought that is the wrong here, new school being convience foods and the like. americans have gotten unhealthy because laziness is lurched upon them at every turn. I understand your passion about eating raw. I am proud of anyone with convictions they adhere to. I hope you don't shop at wal-mart, I hope you eat food from reputable sources (non-radiated, gassed...)and with thought to the people(possibly third-world workers)who produce it for you... as far as sustainable...are you really? in case of a disaster of some sort, what would you eat? Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:09:27 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6c68e9bd-9598-4c6c-97e8-7cf5e5b03b6d $item.owner.firstName 2007-12-06T19:09:27Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#143a9e55-5927-415c-9a59-e559fc93829d There are raw versions of every cooked dish you could desire. Get some raw recipe books and discover how to make your spaghetti bolognese without killing or cooking. It will have better flavor and make you feel more alive as well. Raw versions of cooked foods may not be a perfect match, flavorwise, ...... which is a good thing as I've found cooked foods now have a disgusting quality that I was oblivious to when I was toxic from years of eating it. I think some work in aromatherapy with essential oils by a flavor chemist would do Much to advance the acceptance of raw foods to the jaded palates of..... most of the people of the world. Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:00:41 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#143a9e55-5927-415c-9a59-e559fc93829d Leslie 2007-12-06T17:00:41Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#c6964cec-5507-455a-ad7e-5356a4765bd4 All I know is that there's no way I could give up spaghetti bolognese. Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:03:45 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#c6964cec-5507-455a-ad7e-5356a4765bd4 $item.owner.firstName 2007-12-06T13:03:45Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#77755234-affb-4407-aafe-76227fa3df63 Beliefs and philosophies are meant to open our minds to greater realities, rather than to shut us off from greater possibilities.... to liberate us rather than limit us. The idea we can or should "grow our own food" is an ideal we can only partially meet at best. There are Thousands of raw food possibilities.... why limit ourselves to what we can do only with our personal hands? Why eat the flesh off the bones of another animal when there is nothing about doing so that is desirable or necessary (unless you smother it with accessory flavors and are looking for steroidal-like excitotoxin stimulation)? Let that culture of death die.... rather than imagining it holds some obscure noble "self-reliant" purpose. It's Old School, and old school is what has gotten us to the present unhealthy, unsustainable circumstances humanity is in. Why merely "survive" when one can Flourish?! Grow what you are able to; purchase other raw foods from outside sources as you are able. Life is already sufficiently Surreal without adding layers of bizarre and unreasonable philosophies to impossibly complicate circumstances. Raw foods may seem to some to fit that definition at first blush.... yet the sheer Simplicity and Brilliance of it shines through once the haze of cooked mind begins to dispel...... something that shifting into differing varieties of cooked diets can never truly achieve. Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:25:55 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#77755234-affb-4407-aafe-76227fa3df63 Leslie 2007-12-06T04:25:55Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#d0c339d3-9799-45c1-beb7-ae28cae7e9a4 just curious, how many of you grow your own food? It seems to me that this is the most important..earth, health, our bodies... I highly recommend the book by Barbra Kingslover Animal, vegetable, miracle....it is full of good information concerning the downfalls of purchasing our food. I can understand going raw...i can imagine the health benefits, I know they would be there...it is your intention, it will be..... I eat only what I harvest, a great deal of work and energy go in to making food for my family, we always say our thanks and in our thanks hope that the work we do sort of balances what we take. My family of five would not be able to survive without meat -- unless we were to buy our food from other sources and that goes against what we believe... the cleansing and vibrations do sound rather tempting and I will research more...however I wonder what about dedocting herbs for medicine...is this to much 'heat' ..would you feel that you would be hurting rather than helping? I wish i had more time to read all the comments...but i feel there is a connection between you and your food and possibly it is that intention that is bringing about the cleansing...I can bring about Optimum bodily performance,and cleansing eating meat, and using herbs, along with exercise too of course Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:16:37 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#d0c339d3-9799-45c1-beb7-ae28cae7e9a4 $item.owner.firstName 2007-12-04T15:16:37Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6c3920f7-7b03-4728-93b2-97a3f62f09b5 hi Jewel! your post makes total sense - there's much there that resonates with me, esp. the part about going raw. Since going raw is a huge shift for all of us who have grown up in "cooked" cultures, just the very act of progressively including a greater and greater percentage of raw foods in one's diet is a big step in the right direction. I know for a fact than when eating REALLY fresh raw food, there is a consciousness that comes upon one that is incomparable, because of the fresh foods being Light-filled. We're all at different points on this trajectory(some of us really raw, some on the way there, some beginning to be interested, etc.)but it really seems that as one accesses finer vibrations, one increasingly wants the food that supports that, - raw! It is indeed a challenge in a cold climate where the selection of good produce is limited and expensive though, but some raw foodists make it work(usually those who have been on the path for some time and have gone through the necessary transitions...)anyway. As this time unfolds, the veils are thin, so any practices in our lives that we can implement to ease the way are good! Along with this, plenty of pure water too. Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:08:29 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6c3920f7-7b03-4728-93b2-97a3f62f09b5 Cara 2007-12-04T05:08:29Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f5a8d2f0-e2ad-4d76-ba40-d9287e7e4513 I felt compelled to add something here~I have been a Raw~food Enthusiast for 8 years now.....On and off completely raw diet for more times then I can remember. I have been a professional Chef and cook, and am a total foodie if there ever was one....I love Food! Going Raw is not always easy, especially for a Foodie like me.......in 1998 my guides gave me the message about this switch over to raw, vegan organic food....but I just couldn't get fully on board with it yet....over the years I have struggled back and forth between healthy organic cooked with some dairy and once in a while fish....Ok and Turkey on Thanksgiving.....Did that way for alot of the time between periods ususally twice a year of total raw, green drinks, salads, fruits and super foods. I am a certified raw food Chef through Living Light Instutite with Cheri Soria since '99....so I know how to do it very yummy..... But, because of the love of cooked I made it a lifestyle to have best of both worlds ... The reason I jump in here is this....... Recently in the past year or so, being a Visionary.....My Visions have shown me a RAW way of life ahead..... So I am saying to you all.....I feel we are all going to be RAW Foodists by the year 2012.....The Shift includes it......the old ways of eating will fall away just like the old monetary system, the mega-grocery stores, Oil and everything else that no longer serves the New System. So, I have to say, the foodie that i am, I have been Raw again now for a while, Loving the way I feel as usual on {almost }100% Raw, nothing better then this for my Body, I have slways known it....I always feel great doing Raw, even in Oregon in this Climate in the Winter I can do it, simply, and lightly..(really, who really needs all that stuff in their bodies anyway?) I agree slight starvation is best ..and yes, you can warm soups or other creations in the food dehydrator...I do drink hot tea....Lemon tea, spices, lots of ways to do it....My Divine Self has guided me to RAW.....THere is a shift occurring and it is so much easier to go thru it detoxified physcially, and with less in the system to keep density in place. We might as well be prepared I think... Blessings, Jewel Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:30:09 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f5a8d2f0-e2ad-4d76-ba40-d9287e7e4513 Jewel 2007-11-13T16:30:09Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ebd2b3a1-61c6-4e67-a556-601a522898c0 :-) Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:59:18 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ebd2b3a1-61c6-4e67-a556-601a522898c0 Lana 2007-11-12T22:59:18Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1d68225e-dc41-43cc-afd8-cccb37af9ce3 Well stated... this is a fact for those who are conscious of it. For others it's just gibberish because it’s not within their dimension of consciousness. As to the insanity of self destruction I see going on all around me on all levels of human life, it reminds me of the simple metaphor our mothers told us when we got into trouble as small children and our response was, “well all my friends are doing it” And mother replied, “if you’re friends jump off a bridge, are you going to do it too? As I look at all the unconsciousness methods of self destruction going on all over our world, I say to myself, “just because six billion people are doing it, doesn’t make it right or true. It doesn’t mean I have to participate in it as well. Even though I am aware that it is a powerful lure of deception to give in to. Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:20:32 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1d68225e-dc41-43cc-afd8-cccb37af9ce3 MARK 2007-11-12T21:20:32Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0ca8f0d1-668e-45f9-9efe-d0b600272116 Being healthy is exclusive to those who are mindful about taking care of their health. There may be those who live for the sake of exclusivity and who routinely manifest hypocrisy... but nothing about fresh living foods (as opposed to cooked, dead foods) is an inherent expression of negativities such as this issue of perceptuality that I often hear of, along with all the others given. You can warm raw foods, you can add warming spices to raw foods. Living in locations where raw foods are not available certainly isn't recommended if you have any intention of eating steadily from the life side of the equation. Going from meat to cooked vegetarian and vegan moves you in the right direction towards raw health... unless you Stop there and settle for that.... whether you call it macrobiotics or whatever. I consider it 'controlled' starvation that will keep you alive for a number of decades in a far less than optimum condition.... preferable to SAD diet, yes. If your health is second to some other ideology, then I can't argue with your assessment... except to question the very basis of placing one's health in that position in a deliberate manner. It may be necessary (to compromise health) temporarily until one can gain the empowerments to move to a place where raw diet is sustainable. There is not much Consciousness (about 'what happens' when food is cooked) outside of those who study the issues and experiment with raw diet...... but I can say, I've been roughly in a position similar to what you've expressed.... and I've Learned to basically ignore (usually) all that conventional wisdom around cooked foods and justifications for eating that way. It's crazy (to even imagine cooking is desirable) once you come to fully understand what raw & living does for you as you get past all the transition and detoxing and "learning how to make it work" issues... which can take a few years of real effort. Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:16:57 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0ca8f0d1-668e-45f9-9efe-d0b600272116 Leslie 2007-11-12T05:16:57Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#288f1d00-d0a7-4e83-84da-92295a2e2523 i thought raw food was cool and all that but then i realized there is a major exclusivity to it and a lot of it really doesnt make sense if you live somewhere with access to food that which typically is consumed in this diet only by having it imported. i find that to be very hypocritical. also when i live in a climate that i cold and dark for many months having a warm bowl of soup, or roasted veggies, to be very comforting. i agree, there are many health benefits to this diet, but then, there are also a lot of health benefits to macrobiotic diets and other ways of eating that are based on good nutritional practices. i have been veg i have been vegan ... i started eating meat again ...but not very often. everything in moderation ... maybe if i lived in Hawaii or some tropical climate i would go raw Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:01:27 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#288f1d00-d0a7-4e83-84da-92295a2e2523 $item.owner.firstName 2007-11-10T23:01:27Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#62df7db6-0b22-4556-be1a-c502e225a4f1 It has been said that animals' behaviour is reflective of ours. They are predatory because WE are, NOT the other way around... CHEW ON THAT! lol Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:58:23 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#62df7db6-0b22-4556-be1a-c502e225a4f1 Nick 2007-11-10T18:58:23Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#7d24a9e0-d676-4f51-99c9-9f7746b5e4a8 Yeah, I figured it was something along those lines. I appreciate your response though, it does make sense. -N Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:43:46 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#7d24a9e0-d676-4f51-99c9-9f7746b5e4a8 Nathan 2007-11-10T17:43:46Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6239ed06-8ace-4a92-b87e-dcfc3f28036b Nathan I think it is a time and place issue as well as the fact that so much of the meat that is consumed is very laden with fear. The agony of the life and death of these animals does not bode well for those eating them thereafter. Where as the examples you listed the animal was killed and served rather fresh. Not speaking for anyone but myself it is the vibe that Im trying to manage. Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:14:07 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6239ed06-8ace-4a92-b87e-dcfc3f28036b Enlilson 2007-11-10T02:14:07Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ea24d49c-79bf-40c1-8cc6-6502f87d7e44 Maybe these things were covered earlier in the thread, I tried to read most of it... I'm a meat eater. Sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm still young and can change my ways. I have to say reading everyone's opinions on the matter does spark my interest to at least try a vegetarian/raw food diet. My question is this though -> Archaic cultures such as certain Native American tribes certainly took part in eating meat. Of course it wasn't the mass-produced/slaughtered variety we humans enjoy today, but nonetheless, it was meat, and I'm sure they roasted some of that stuff. Yet they honored they animals they killed and said thanks to their spirit for their part. Were these people wrong in their ways as well? Did eating meat and cooked food bring about their demise? Were their vibrations lowered as a result? If I were to offer a sincere prayer of thanks whenever I indulged in meat would I be any better off until I made the big switch to raw foods? And for that matter, what about carnivorous animals. Are they exempt from vibrational rulings because they are not humans and only go on instinct and not farm their own tomatoes? Or are they all doomed as well? I'm not trying to be a smartass, really. But I am a skeptic at heart, with many questions. :) p.s. My knowledge on Native Americans (or any other archaic societies) is mostly hearsay, of course, so maybe someone can correct my assumptions. Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:20:17 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ea24d49c-79bf-40c1-8cc6-6502f87d7e44 Nathan 2007-11-07T21:20:17Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5b5939c8-dfd6-45ce-b8b0-f3247de645da I hear the really kook kids are only consuming prana. That said getting putting an item into any system will have an effect. The idea that something is consumed with fear before being slaughtered is what drives quite a bit of the movement away from meat, which I am totally down with. As I spend as much time talking with plants as i do animals including the two legged ones via the third eye hence know them to be quite interesing. I have two that fight over which music I play for them when I play it from them. This is the reason why one can be walling by one other their plants and they feel the urge to water it or move it. They are screamin into your mind to do so. It would stand to reason given my above statement that plants either cooked or raw that are grown harvested and processed in less then uber light conditions are going to have some negative energy in them. So make sure you always give thanks to what you put into your system. So what is it that we are talking from the large view point. To me is seems it is the urge to have to use less of our energy to balance out the negative energy that we take in via food and depending upon your path and acension schedule one will make choices accordlying. I personally am down to about 1.5 meals a day and as the energy of the 5th Nigths is kicking in fasting over longer periods of time has been much easier then before and i still have the internal resources to lift weights and run alternating every other day. Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:17:57 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5b5939c8-dfd6-45ce-b8b0-f3247de645da Enlilson 2007-11-07T16:17:57Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f9064c68-3b68-43fa-acd0-e2fe54e43c0d I like that one too. When referring to what man and the religions have been searching for, the ONLY price we have to pay to get to heaven, individually and collectively IS ATTENTION. We've been so caught up in all our own deception and B.S. we're unable to see what will soon become the obvious. Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:49:24 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f9064c68-3b68-43fa-acd0-e2fe54e43c0d MARK 2007-11-01T16:49:24Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a156a203-a7bd-42a9-8828-bd916cb5554a <<<So, you're John and Walkin? Like Johnnie Walker with a significantly less alcohol content? >>> Names names names! I have always had an interest and I am just now starting to understand why. Instead of the assocations we make intellectually, these names have a resonant frequency. I once thought numerology to be nonsense and now I feel quite different for this and other reasons. Walkin' for me means walking with....as for the John part, what a ridicuous story. My father (Joseph Rodriguez Jr.) had a gay brother which embarrassed him and he was known as 'little Joey' when he was a boy when the older boys were making fun of he and his brother. My Mom wanted me to be Douglas Joseph after both fathers (her father was Doglas White from England) but Joseph was out of the question. Further, there was a madman in the familiy named Douglas Joseph so Douglas was out of the question, so I ended up being named Joseph John Gil but have never been called Joseph for the previous reason except by every god forsaken teacher and formal title and drivers license and..... If I have to say my name is Joseph John Gil, Gil with one L but call me John one more time I just might scream! Years ago a psychic called me Douglas through the entire reading. I decided not to correct her. Maybe she was right? My point, Autun means the vibe of Autun no matter what you accociate with it. I would rather make a play on words like Otto, but that's just me. Nice to meet ya' Walkin' Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:06:54 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a156a203-a7bd-42a9-8828-bd916cb5554a $item.owner.firstName 2007-11-01T06:06:54Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a2ec96e8-2857-4796-8f13-cbf025ce6345 <<<<YES I read some really cool material about us going into a void or a state of limbo if you will and what ever were thinking, feeling in that void will throw us into that dimension of conscious being.>>>> I certainly like that interpretation better. Seems I might have some company! I got this 'Lost in Space' image in my head as if I had to float a bit more before I figured something important out. LOL On a serious note, I have no reliance on psychic readings but the seeds of truth these remarable individuals have planted have spurred me to pay attention and to recognize patterns. That is the best advice you can give anyone: PAY ATTENTION! Nothing is off limits and suddenly you start to feel connections rather than seeing only separations. "Truth is first felt" - Conroy Cooper Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:48:58 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a2ec96e8-2857-4796-8f13-cbf025ce6345 $item.owner.firstName 2007-11-01T00:48:58Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1c7518d6-339f-4cd4-bd61-ddfc97185d8e YES I read some really cool material about us going into a void or a state of limbo if you will and what ever were thinking, feeling in that void will throw us into that dimension of conscious being. Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:15:12 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1c7518d6-339f-4cd4-bd61-ddfc97185d8e MARK 2007-10-31T17:15:12Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6faf2281-a01d-47dc-a1e4-03e4286e2e50 Welcome Walkin' to Babilon! We're just building another tower to reach the heavens, but it's swaying again to all directions... So, you're John and Walkin? Like Johnnie Walker with a significantly less alcohol content? ;) I guess, you're referring Atum-Ra when mentioning my handle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atum Nonetheless interesting comparison, but the my name refers to a process. Namely autotransformation, a way back into Myself. Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:01:56 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6faf2281-a01d-47dc-a1e4-03e4286e2e50 Auton 2007-10-31T14:01:56Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#35a84e8a-dd5a-4f24-84c2-ca4b11a2f178 Mark and all, think of a cell like a lens. How best to polish that lens? I know of two alternative thinkers who have developed a better understanding of this one whom I had the pleasure of meeting and hearing him speak in Seattle at a Rife conference. His name is Dr. Haltiwangar. i also heard him say, while eavesdropping, that "They took my new house away from me those bastards, but I am glad that I am still alive!" The other doctor is named Dr. Flanagan and is on most of the skeptic's quack lists which usually means that he is right. There is a lot of information and I am trying to use my intuition to determine which information is best while keeping up with life in LA! Hell for me would be knowing that I missed it, whatever it may bring. You get over this but such knowledge might really tap out your motivations! For many, life as usual will continue I suspect with a little more peacefulness I hope. The baddies will be vacating at that time! I had a psychic tell me that I would be in limbo around that time which doesn't sound too good actually! That sounds like having a dream and forgetting how to find your way back! She also said if you do not like anything I said in this reading, change your mind! Manifesting intention quickly. That's what I find awesome and a bit scary... Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:49:19 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#35a84e8a-dd5a-4f24-84c2-ca4b11a2f178 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-31T06:49:19Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#30de0011-dc2a-4e98-9e98-37b6b8078f11 hey Mark... don't forget to use quotes or even as i like to use >>>"" this helps the rest of us understand that you are quoting from another post. webehugging, Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:18:28 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#30de0011-dc2a-4e98-9e98-37b6b8078f11 davidsjelly 2007-10-31T03:18:28Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#df30f498-86ed-4a13-a0e8-1198aefe1968 Thanks Walkin' you certainly are the real deal.... newbies like you keep this house a rockin'. blessingsandahug, Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:17:00 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#df30f498-86ed-4a13-a0e8-1198aefe1968 davidsjelly 2007-10-31T03:17:00Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#923f6eb8-30a2-445c-801a-1349345da3c6 We are energy beings which when meausred can be described as charged electromagnetic energy. The singular pulse and the shift from positive to negative will be optimally experienced if our cells are clean. You have heard the saying "hell is right here on Earth?" Imagine finding out, or never finding out, that through self imposed limitations you get to wait another 5,250 years to experience the indescribable bliss of no longer feeling disconnected. Can I have another bag of fries with that burger please! LOL Bro your in the vibe, I couldn't agree more with just about everything you said, however its all just speculation as to what will happen, not maybe. And not only do we physically need to detoxify, purify and regenerate, but it is also very necessary to purge and cleanse the built up layers of mental/ethereal blockages to our higher frequency of dimensional consciousness in order to do as my friend puts it; graduate to the next level of BEING, or our next vibrational frequency or octave of consciousness. And YES, we have created planet hell out of planet heaven. And yes it seems the tilt will go back into alignment. 2012 is a RE- ALIGNMENT from duality consciousness to what we will realize was never a separation from, this ONENESS that we are. And Yes knucklehead is a term I use to describe in a more loving, understanding and companionate way the things I/we do to ourselves. I've learned that no matter how far I've come, to NEVER, EVER THINK for one moment that I'm better or above ANY-ONE because I too was that knucklehead I'm pointing at and ultimately its all me. And that’s another thing, when the time comes for everyone to meet their TRUE self and it isn't what the religions say god is, the god they put in a peanut shell, which is their head. It’s beyond anything the finite mind can handle if it’s fragmented with all that we’ve polluted it with. To expand on what you said about waiting another 5,250 years, from what I've experienced WOW what an under statement, it’s a LOAD that you ultimately put on yourself if you miss it and it has nothing to do with punishment. I know I'm going on too much...there's just no way to describe it, but I do know because I've been there and out of awe I try to share a little of it. Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:06:12 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#923f6eb8-30a2-445c-801a-1349345da3c6 MARK 2007-10-31T03:06:12Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#8f5a2ed2-f70a-4c21-85a7-3976869b97aa but back to Raw food! Any one have a raw Thanksgiving in the works? and what are ya making!?! I hear the first time the pilgrims were invited to the party they were a little weirded out by the raw diet... Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:38:21 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#8f5a2ed2-f70a-4c21-85a7-3976869b97aa Shadoan 2007-10-31T00:38:21Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ebbdfc76-c5cb-40b5-9eb3-03c5c02e5e96 It really is amazing, all the things scientist are talking about, how things like the poles of Earth are due to rotate from north to south (actually the north pole is not where the compass points, if you think of North as being the dominant pull, it is actually south. If you read about electricity, you will hear that electricity flows from + to -, so the - pole is the puller.) http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm The "azimuth" of the Galactic plane is going to align in some new way (I'm still lost on whether we emerge out of the water, into the "air" outside the nebulous arms of the galaxy, or we align planar to the center plane, or pop out the nebulous bottom) Here's an interesting link: about ice ages being linked to our position galacticaly http://www.meta-religion.com/Astronomy/Other_subjects/ice_age_linked.htm It seems we are just wakin up to a lot of stuff, and may just get lucky enough to see a remarkable time in history. Even if Earth gets wiped out by a comet, that is.... interesting. Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:37:21 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ebbdfc76-c5cb-40b5-9eb3-03c5c02e5e96 Shadoan 2007-10-31T00:37:21Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f9158712-16f1-482f-8116-85af18c5aafb Auton, you share the name of the Egyptial God that still rules the secret societies. Beware the vibe dude and good to meet ya'! Auton or Autun Ra and the Eye of Autun or, the Eye of Horus, is the all seeing eye that awaits, with magnificaent patience, the power that comes with celestial alignment: a quality that exceeds lifetimes and serves the interests of the societies perfectly. The rest of us are following 'rocks in space' and don't even know what our watches are not telling us! Kirlian is not the energy of the object iself, but the interference pattern between the object and the ambient intelligent environment. We (our bodies) are holographic and are curiously as well an interference pattern. Kirlian is a metaphor for this existential phenomena. THanks for the link. The technology is amazing... I want to see energy with my own third eye! I want to know if vanilla bean ice cream is good energy! LOL Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:23:58 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f9158712-16f1-482f-8116-85af18c5aafb $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-30T22:23:58Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#969aa0ab-4df1-454f-b856-04b50038a380 Hey Mark you took my word..."Knucklehead" It's the universal description for those deserving four letter compliments! The science of 2012 is rather simple. The Earth is tilted at a 23.5 degree declination to Earth's magnetic North and the two transitional phases (the precession), which occur approximately 5,250 years apart, engage an alignment between the plane of the declination of the Earth, and the plane of the spiralling galaxy itself. This alignment zeroes out the normal gravitational antagonism and the galactic vacuum cleaner clears the junk out that's accumulated. Using old film reels as a metaphor, imagine slowly pulling the film across the lens (with the light on) maually and watching the light get slowly brighter. At the moment the film and the lens are perfectly aligned, which is but a fleeting moment, the light is maximized, infinite potential pulses intensely once and a magnetic shift occurs from positive to negative. The planets form a circuit (call this amperage) though etheric space (call this voltage) which when aligned zero out at the moment of transition. Locally, physicists have identified zero point energy (ZPE) as the energy which exists at the top or bottom of a sinewave (when it's not rising or falling). The neutral 'groiund' in this circuit is the center of our galaxy which astronomers have already noted is the source of intense gamma radiation, so imagine exposure to this in the time it takes to flip a lightswitch on and back off again quickly. Kapow, cells are cleaned! What happened to cells with psychic, emotional and physiological limtations? Likely not much! We are energy beings which when meausred can be described as charged electromagnetic energy. The singular pulse and the shift from positive to negative will be optimally experienced if our cells are clean. You have heard the saying "hell is right here on Earth?" Imagine finding out, or never finding out, that through self imposed limitations you get to wait another 5,250 years to experience the indescribable bliss of no longer feeling disconnected. Can I have another bag of fries with that burger please! LOL It's my opinion that it will be best to be balanced and neutral and not dogmatically oriented towards any particular belief (ironic given the intense rise of orthodoxy huh!). Stay out of the temples people! Stay out of the temples! LOL If I can speculate further, this event will be a major belief update for those who are ready to experience it. If you hang onto any belief too tightly, well, you will get to continue believing what you believe. Do you want to be right or do you want to be joyful? We are indeed the miracles we've been searching for! We can either BE this or continue to pursue this. It's up to each person individually. I'm intrigued by the words of one Michael Tsarion whose altrnative history might contains seeds of truth that our disconnect is not our fault! Genetic manipulation? Failing to reconnect though, that's a choice. I will check out the cycle 24, Orion prophecy and Oness by Rasha that you mention. Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:12:35 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#969aa0ab-4df1-454f-b856-04b50038a380 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-30T22:12:35Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#2fbc3631-1941-4f6f-831c-088bf217b393 Hello Davidsjelly, I usually use the pseudonym Walkin' and just yesterday put my um 'real' name up, so for you, and just for you and only because of the hugs, did I change back to Walkin'. Actually, there is another reason too! Tribe postings are searchable on the world wide web. I had thought that these were private threads but that is not the case, so my professional views, which sadly must not include some of my personal views for now, require one degree of separation for this reason. I have never been extemely good light before! Toss out your lightbulbs I say! Glad to meet you, Walkin' Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:28:15 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#2fbc3631-1941-4f6f-831c-088bf217b393 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-30T21:28:15Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5cd62fd2-a764-40ab-9447-7ae7bd3f78c9 Hi Walkin, You're so welcome and thanks for your comments, there’s a lot of powerful information circulating around regarding where we're headed and 2012. However there is some disinformation as well. All that I have found has come from discernment, not of my mind, but of my heart. Now at risk of sounding melodramatic I have found that once the heart chakra is open, the heart never lies, but the mind does. Look up solar cycle 24, Orion prophecy and Oness by Rasha. From many shamanic journey’s deep into where our minds are afraid to go, many of use have seen the truth and its future and once you’ve been there one will never commit what sin really means…to go against and one will never fall back to that knuckle head who THOUGHT of it self as a separate individual from what its been searching for.. Against who, one might ask? Our self THE SELF. Here’s something I like to say. “We’re the miracle we’ve been searching for and now its time to act accordingly” Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:44:09 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5cd62fd2-a764-40ab-9447-7ae7bd3f78c9 MARK 2007-10-30T16:44:09Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#eaf7650b-4246-442b-bbef-e583c6c35f21 "I hope someone will let us know if the vast body of information and experience connected with the growing raw culture, now manifesting, should stray accidentally back into that sort of mindless patterning that has long stoked the engines of deadzone-wetburn kitchen cuisine and culture." Our plenipotentiary cultural ministers with the People's Revolutionary Dietary Front are steadfast at the helm, ready to expose and discredit the slightest transgression! We'll keep you posted! Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:32:30 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#eaf7650b-4246-442b-bbef-e583c6c35f21 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-30T04:32:30Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e77d6e35-0507-4123-8f57-8ba4fc4517ce I remember the old Firesign Theatre stuff from my highschool days in the early 70s. Generally, variations on use of the term "raw" in a phrase such as that (in those days) were meant to invoke derogatory intent using shaming sexualized language that the establishment found offensive.... and which would easily be taken as offensive on a personal level by anyone towards which the term might be directed in such manner. Is there a pep rally going on with flaming hoops involved? Reminds me of that poi jazzercising they do down at the midnight glowdeo.... Yes, absurdish catch-phraseology Does define the sort of group mindset common in the20th century. I hope someone will let us know if the vast body of information and experience connected with the growing raw culture, now manifesting, should stray accidentally back into that sort of mindless patterning that has long stoked the engines of deadzone-wetburn kitchen cuisine and culture. Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:02:45 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e77d6e35-0507-4123-8f57-8ba4fc4517ce Leslie 2007-10-30T04:02:45Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#cd114572-79cb-4fb6-a61d-35e1dd69e5f5 Hoopes! Remember that bit in the Firesign Theatre record "Don't Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me The Pliers!" with Porgy Tirebiter and company at the high school pep rally, when they start the team spirit cheer: "Eat it raw! Raw! Raw! Raw!" LOL... "Shoes for Industry! Shoes for the Dead! Shoes for Industry!" Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:28:51 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#cd114572-79cb-4fb6-a61d-35e1dd69e5f5 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-30T03:28:51Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#eaa2e4c9-7808-48c1-b061-59531dd80ff7 Hi Mark, I have started reading a number of books recently including Healing Codes for the Biological Apolcalypse by Len Horowitz. He is a brilliant and brave man. These efforts, his project and your project for example, require passion and organization which you clearly possess and Len is as well an amazingly devoted and passoinate individual. While I was living in Jamaica I was involved as a planner and designer with two groups including one interested to develop an ecotourist resort but with each, the money issues and ownership pulled things apart. The adminstrative structure is as important as any wall you build or tree that you plant! I was touched by a comment you made in your profile. It's not often I read somehting new that compels me to rethink my ideas fro the souirce. You wrote, "... I'm in LOVE with what we truly are. I'm into nature and naturalistic lifestyles of our true origin. Although I don't identify with the definitions and titles that come with my way of life. I don't eat anything with a face or anything that cares for its young, flees from danger or seeks warmth." Thanks for that. You look like 'The Rock's' little brother!" LOL Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:24:16 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#eaa2e4c9-7808-48c1-b061-59531dd80ff7 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-30T03:24:16Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e8155cec-90bb-4ad7-a8e4-2d36f1387ee0 Know Len well, but were doing our own gig, hopefully we will all come together for that’s what sustainable communities are all about, especially with the coming changes. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:37:38 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e8155cec-90bb-4ad7-a8e4-2d36f1387ee0 MARK 2007-10-29T22:37:38Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#cd2612bf-b1b0-4b56-8c26-dd84f519582b This seems very melodramatic and is mostly speculation Yeah...I didn't mean it as fact, just possibility, actually I feel it may be a combination of both our speculations and both have their validity. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:30:06 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#cd2612bf-b1b0-4b56-8c26-dd84f519582b MARK 2007-10-29T16:30:06Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#fa10cba0-109c-4ed5-ab13-29c93dae2e7e >>Imagine if we could see the energy of food, or somehow measure it?<< We can. Check out http://www.kirlian.com/currentkirlian.htm and the rest of the site... Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:01:26 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#fa10cba0-109c-4ed5-ab13-29c93dae2e7e Auton 2007-10-29T16:01:26Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#8dc8ea4e-28a9-4bbd-a9fe-79b773f538f7 really... great Light newJohn guy! >>>"Insects and reptiles have both narrow frequencies and wavelengths. You could take the offspring of a lizard right out from in front of it's mother's nose and it would not do a thing!" INsects will plant their off spring right in dead and dying animal flesh. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:44:11 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#8dc8ea4e-28a9-4bbd-a9fe-79b773f538f7 davidsjelly 2007-10-29T08:44:11Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e70058c0-fc76-4876-baf5-530131b9512b I second that. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:02:15 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e70058c0-fc76-4876-baf5-530131b9512b Lana 2007-10-29T08:02:15Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1ce1a789-e658-4acd-a281-4b58f87795b6 Nice insight Mark..... :-) ¸.•´¯`•.´¯`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((º> Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:00:52 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1ce1a789-e658-4acd-a281-4b58f87795b6 Lana 2007-10-29T08:00:52Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5ea4d2bc-805d-4089-bd70-6f1eb06741e7 wow~ welcome John! that's extremely good Light. thank you. i hope you'll develop a second showing name so we can differentiate you from the other Johns here. Apparently they're wall to wall. ihugyouvermuch, Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:57:54 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5ea4d2bc-805d-4089-bd70-6f1eb06741e7 davidsjelly 2007-10-29T06:57:54Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0bf48414-fbb6-4035-a888-e4c827fb38ad The last post did not follow Mark's comment? I was referring to: "....Why do animals run from us? They smell not man, but the stench of death coming from a far, the stench of their rotting flesh we put into our bodies......." By the way Mark, are you linked up with Dr. Horowitz's gig in Hawaii? Your description matched something I heard him say on an internet interview recently. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:33:41 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0bf48414-fbb6-4035-a888-e4c827fb38ad $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-29T06:33:41Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#050278ba-d8d9-414d-8bf9-2d2b45cfd835 Hi Mark, this seems very melodramatic and is mostly speculation in my opiinon. This is my opinion. We humans are capable of transceiving, that is sending and receiving, the entire electromagnetic spectrum. In other words, infinity!. On the other hand, our wavelength, which is like a radio station, is quite small. We send out intense vibes that are noticable by anything that vibrates which is all things that exist. Animals, on the other hand, have a narrow frequency range and a broader wavelength which means that animals vibe remotely more easily than humans do but only understand the content of a narrow range of energetic data. This is why their behavior is generally predictable and why the hundredth monkey theory is valid. When only a few animals in a tribe have some new information, the broad wavelength assures that they all get it even if they have not directly had the same experience. Animals react while most humans generally act. I think that animals flee instinctively from any energy that is not familiar or compatible and you might be correct that the choices that humans have made form part of our energy signature that some animals might detect as threatening, but in the wild this is not an emotional response as far as I could know. The domesticated animals develop limited emotion as their instinctive natures are stripped away, particularly pigs which are smarter and nearly as responsive to affection than dogs. Insects and reptiles have both narrow frequencies and wavelengths. You could take the offspring of a lizard right out from in front of it's mother's nose and it would not do a thing! Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:30:06 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#050278ba-d8d9-414d-8bf9-2d2b45cfd835 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-29T06:30:06Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#7bd645a0-a22b-4469-b6c5-77ddb452cbb6 Wow, as I read from the top it was a bit or a rollercoaster ride and I do get the sense that some people here are making choices in principle, which are generalizations. First let me introduce myself. I am an architect / teacher / writer from LA and a Cymatic reseacher. Cymatics has been a a great teacher for me. It is the study and demonstration of wave forms and their corresponding patterns and 3 Dimensional character, and generally discusses life metaphorically at the energetic level as well. There is a medical component that exceeds the current conversation somewhat but I will refer loosely. The value of Cymatics is an alternatie measure. Science as well religion has taught us to be fragmentary beasts which describes us in every respect, physiologically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, but we are always whole enegetically even if imbalanced. Intellectually we are relativists and compare our choices to known things with moral judgements like better or worse which are essentially meaningless even though we feel like we are doing something 'good' when we get specific. It is my opinion that this soon will no longer be required. Life is flow said Hans Jenny and every cell is 99.9% pure space. We are energy and actions such as meditation, sleeping, positive intention, thinking and eating interact with our energy field and other's. Some people spculate that a new stage in human evolution has already begun with the Star Children / Indigo children etc, and though I have not met one, the behavior has been described as a being who chooses compatible foods and thoughts and clothing etc, rather than merely distinguishing themselves, relatively, from the crowd or their own egoistic memory. Imagine if we could see the energy of food, or somehow measure it? The way we would choose food would be different thatn appearance, aroma or taste. I suspect that principled categories like vegetarians or carnivores or the esoteric airians (who in theory process energy efficiently from indirect space) would not be required if we chose foods with compatible energy instead. While living in Jamaica soeone told me that red meat lives in your digetive track for many years and convinced me that this form of eating was unhealthy. Eight years later my body had forgotten how to process fat and combined with latent emotion (WHICH IS A CRITICAL POINT), my gall bladder and ascending colon developed problems, including the inability to absorb nurients through the intestinal wall. Separate and apart from the inhumane processing of emotional animals which appalls me, I was harmed by not eating at least some animal fat at least while in transition. There are many points to make here so I will conclude with a few dense thoughts. A healthy cell is one which accepts nutrients freely and releases toxins freely. Mineral rich water is the most important cleanse of all (try to find it?). I am confident that affordable devices will soon be available soon that measure the energetic level of food to go along with the devices that already measure and diagnose the body such as the Rife-Bare device, the QXCI and several others whose names are not yet legal with the FDA. Mind body is quite real and a new word is needed for it because we still perceive this as two words. Let's call it George! George is the living embodiment of a lineage of energy including the experiences of others which are stored in the DNA energetically. We experience these limitations as compulsions within the psyche to choose one experience versus another. The best way to proceed is to forget everything you think that you know! I am certain you will not eat a lightbulb or your Dad's leather shoe but you will discover in your mouth and if you are really good, in your hand before it gets to your mouth, how you FEEL about this food! If you find that you resist in principle, you are NOT choosing optimal health and energy, but rather you are choosing to be right, in principle! Your cells don't give a damn about principles. If you can actually achieve this, you just might find that you are a vegetarian who eats a big 'ol angus steak every once in awhile! BTW, I recently met an author of a book called The DNA of Healing and found that it was a very powerful experience. The author, Margaret Ruby, I met in Atlanta at a Cymatics conference. She attuned her 'method' using Cymatic frequencies but does not tell anybody that and uses the acronym DNA instead in order to get certification at her school and to keep the idea accessible to the layperson. In conversation with another alternative medical practiioner recently in LA, upon telling her my ailment she said, "What are you so angry about?" Without the anger which I have found is very very deep and very very old, my body stored this memory at a frequency that corresponds to my gall badder and liver (Yellow chakra / powerlessnes / yellow belly . get the picture?). Chinese and Ayur Vedic medicine would agree! I say this because without the limiting emotional energy, my health would not have been affected at all by the food choices I made, merely my energy levels, bood viscocity and percentage of cellular toxicity. Pease take time to understand this last statement and spread the word! More on 2012 later...sorry for the length! Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:13:04 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#7bd645a0-a22b-4469-b6c5-77ddb452cbb6 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-29T06:13:04Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4d71d1e7-fae0-4303-b258-85de55b4d662 yeS totally Mark. i often spend time and work with horses and in fact though it's possible to tame and train horses as a meat eater... it's hugely by far much sUper easier as vegetarian. and this goes not only for prey animals as for predators varying in degrees by what's in each of your heArts. magpies will sit on a cow cause they know they have not murder in their hearts. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:40:30 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4d71d1e7-fae0-4303-b258-85de55b4d662 davidsjelly 2007-10-29T02:40:30Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5cf215bd-4c90-4aa9-9faf-d2a90f3c3e41 Very cool, chew on this one. Why do animals run from us? They smell not man, but the stench of death coming from a far, the stench of their rotting flesh we put into our bodies. Thousands of years of programming that someday will be undone so we can get back to the proverbial garden? Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:57:14 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5cf215bd-4c90-4aa9-9faf-d2a90f3c3e41 MARK 2007-10-29T00:57:14Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#b466e841-fa3a-4063-a7bd-4198b6ba584a yes... good old fashioned blood lust. that's why women are less inclined to war... they get a monthly dose. Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:25:07 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#b466e841-fa3a-4063-a7bd-4198b6ba584a davidsjelly 2007-10-28T03:25:07Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#3b49fa99-483a-4489-95d0-eeb4af1b3319 The MOST frequent way PEOPLE get in contact with ANIMALS is BY EATING them. Talk about evolution...Chew on this for a moment. Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:40:33 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#3b49fa99-483a-4489-95d0-eeb4af1b3319 Auton 2007-10-28T02:40:33Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#3a83f60d-471a-4c2c-969c-0615faacbaff "The sooner we stop killing, the sooner we'll stop dieing." THAT is Truth. Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:32:44 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#3a83f60d-471a-4c2c-969c-0615faacbaff Lana 2007-10-28T01:32:44Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0eb53e2c-2034-432c-885c-00abd08f3135 I know what you mean and we have assessed that into the mix for there is the probability of some real but kickers ahead. 2,000 ft. level and we are aware that it my not be enough. However we will not get over run with any obsession with fearful events that may occur, just preparedness. I see you're very well informed, many still have no idea of what I'm really not looking forward to but understand is necessary for the kind of change to occur that the visionary forerunners have for seen. I being no one special have also seen these things and am humbled by it and grateful for it. I’ve pretty much transcended most of the fear being felt on the planet and there’s a lot going on in the astrals, mothers pretty pissed right now. I’ve been meditating that it will be a lot gentler of a transition and transformation than what has been presented. I was in denial a few years ago, probably out of intellect and fear but ultimately there is no where to run and no where to hide from our self. This grand cycle is closing and where going to get through it. From what I’ve received ,Love is the only way. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:00:56 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0eb53e2c-2034-432c-885c-00abd08f3135 MARK 2007-10-25T22:00:56Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6a1ecb8e-c946-4f43-884d-f1863f16c1b5 Bravo my brutha, bravo...well stated. I'm going to repeat something that I said further up the thread and would invite some commentary with reflection on the fact that anything is possible in this miracle of BEING/Existence and its consciousness. "The sooner we stop killing, the sooner we'll stop dieing. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:21:27 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6a1ecb8e-c946-4f43-884d-f1863f16c1b5 MARK 2007-10-25T21:21:27Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#d287fab5-4452-4d11-bdeb-8cc3f5bb9890 Being a raw fooder for about 17 years has meant I've been treated to as much rejection and control as any other outsiders are likely to encounter.... in no way are raw fooders more guilty of prejudiciality towards their own kind than anyone else... so this is a real non-issue, even if suits one's intent to dissociate from that which seems foreign and too great a challenge to consider the validity of. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:34:51 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#d287fab5-4452-4d11-bdeb-8cc3f5bb9890 Leslie 2007-10-25T19:34:51Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#dccaad42-3f2b-493a-857c-9261903a8e40 "it is hideous to me that food could be a tool to dictate how one should be treated" kind of like sex/sexual preference and habits in that respect... Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:36:26 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#dccaad42-3f2b-493a-857c-9261903a8e40 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-25T18:36:26Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#58080845-8372-445d-b917-636b5f58a03b How high above sea level is the 40 acres? Tsunamis are my main concern in living near the ocean... as we are likely to see more than a few big ones with earth changes. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:29:38 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#58080845-8372-445d-b917-636b5f58a03b Leslie 2007-10-25T18:29:38Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0a05a094-01e4-4fc2-8fc2-fd1daf2bf567 Control issues have become a ubiquitous reality with all foods, even if the establishment has engineered consciousness to not be aware of the subtle versions of control that are commonly perpetrated. Perception of 'control issues' around raw fooders may come to the fore as an exposed 'residual effect' of culture in general...... a very superficial issue in light of the deep integrities of what is being attempted to share.... raw foods... living foods ....this is fundamental to physical life, as much as clean air, water, and land to live upon. Even those who are able to sustain their life without any food at all.... would not have had a life to sustain in the first place without raw foods. No one thrives for more than a few decades on a diet devoid of raw & living foods. Pottenger's cats became completely sterile and overwhelmed with diseases after four generations of eating only cooked food... an absolute dead-end.... and humanity is on the same path....steadily increasing sterility and widespread diseases after about four generations of high-in-cooked-foods diet (due to industrialization of the food supply and abandonment of connections with raw food sources from the land.... suburb and urbanization breaking nearly all direct links with local raw food). We can debate this, and/or we can snap out of the cultural delusions that tell us not to doubt the corporate chemical feasts that most are gobbling up... The gravy train stops at 2012 by my reckoning..... better to get off it now and start eating in synchrony with life than to bide your time on board that ride into oblivion.... if it's life you care to keep, rather than lose, in a wake of mass migration into spiritual realms unknown and possibly occupied by some highly controlled & controlling spiritual programmings. 'Raw foods' easily translates into maximum Life and most Unlimited Possibilities of spirit and physical life.... despite those who may display vestiges of 'controllery' in their over-enthusiasm of promoting raw diet with old cooked meme patterns. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:22:04 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0a05a094-01e4-4fc2-8fc2-fd1daf2bf567 Leslie 2007-10-25T18:22:04Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ba1ed439-a259-47dd-a38b-411dc6e1b589 We have the the recourses, money etc. We've just secured 40 beautiful virgin acres of land with fruit frees everywhere, water falls etc. Look up sustainable communities, however we are taking it a step further that is in alignment with the coming changes up to and beyond 2012, in fact we are creating them in Earth Shift project. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:49:17 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#ba1ed439-a259-47dd-a38b-411dc6e1b589 MARK 2007-10-25T17:49:17Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6921ff03-daa8-4946-9af6-980165ccf94f "My friends and I are looking for people of higher awareness and resources to play with us and make the move and transition to this community on the island." how will you support yourselves? pay for land, etc. taxes? supplies? Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:13:29 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6921ff03-daa8-4946-9af6-980165ccf94f embrace 2007-10-25T17:13:29Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#d50eb34d-6f3f-47de-aab5-7c56bf2d0360 honestly, between you and me, there probably is nothing to lose, i get your point and you get mine. but i have seen in the "real world" people attempting control others by food. i've watched it, been a part of it (oh, you shouldn't eat that, you should be this way, ya know, higher vibe, wink wink). it is hideous to me that food could be a tool to dictate how one should be treated, not an abundance or lack thereof, but a choice a human might make, as if it dictates the condition of the world. does anyone notice the attitude though? if there is any morality involved, its being completely negated by behaviors of authority. those things which people try to eliminate, aren't. do as we do, we are more godlike. lol. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:03:42 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#d50eb34d-6f3f-47de-aab5-7c56bf2d0360 Anistara 2007-10-25T17:03:42Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#641f7e20-2472-4f66-8240-5c27f6a82dbf Hey John, speaking of communal, we are forming a sustainable community on the big island of Hawaii. With reference to what you were talking about, it will be essential to practice these things as we approach 2012 and beyond. My friends and I are looking for people of higher awareness and resources to play with us and make the move and transition to this community on the island. Earth Shift Project. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:24:46 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#641f7e20-2472-4f66-8240-5c27f6a82dbf MARK 2007-10-25T16:24:46Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#b8a2c71e-1b29-4670-af5c-0cc9a3325648 Hi Anis...aren't awarwolfs brutes? LOL... I'm such a beast! Now I'm just kidding with you, I'm just remembering the only other conversation we had and I feel toward you and everyone else as that picture under your name. Anyway, again it’s all in how things are perceived. Is there really anything to win or lose here, is there really anything to defend here. Are there really egos involved here or is it all in how we perceive things. Maybe a little more Love in the mix will do the trick. Peace Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:04:07 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#b8a2c71e-1b29-4670-af5c-0cc9a3325648 MARK 2007-10-25T16:04:07Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1116dc2d-dd68-4104-af06-cbf76e0ec1b2 Ferrera, it's just how it's perceived in email format, it’s hard to make it sound the way you mean it. It seems everyone perceives defensiveness when there is really nothing to defend. For instance, when I refer to psycho babble, I'm referring to all of it including my own. Also,is that what I’m trying to do here, win people over to may point of view? I thought I was just throwing out some of my own psycho babble into the play. However it does seem like there is a void to fill, so I thought I’d fill a little…LOL…now that’s sarcasm and humor. Also I'm not at all as serious as I sound, so lets not get too serious...Raaaarrrrr... LOL! Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:28:15 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1116dc2d-dd68-4104-af06-cbf76e0ec1b2 MARK 2007-10-25T15:28:15Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4260038a-c709-45af-a1a7-312b7fe8e371 Excellent points Auton, thankyou so much. It is not so easy for animals to grow new legs as it is for plants to grow new fruit, no matter what the scientists would attempt to engineer. "It is easier to maintain a sacred relationship with a plant, even if you live on the 23rd floor of a high rise apt.building. You can have a pot of cherry tomatoes, a supa-dupa sprout grower where you can exercise this relationship. If you have a garden, you are fortunate- you can grow enough plants to supply most of your nutritional needs. Eating fruits are the most non-violent form of food-human connection- the plants are not destroyed by having their fruits. With the veggies, you can maintain a continuity by saving their seeds and plant a new life again. This is nothing else, but an ultimate lesson in co-existence- and this is the way, where the raw diet is primarily leading. " A lesson in co-existence nails it I think.. :) We are what we believe we are. ;) Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:22:22 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4260038a-c709-45af-a1a7-312b7fe8e371 Nick 2007-10-25T15:22:22Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#afb760ee-f42c-437c-9cff-9334961a45a0 In theory, I'm all for RAW, or veg as a second best. I did it for a couple of years, almost to the point of fruitarian. I got completely radiant. People were having all sorts of strange reactions only from being near me. ( this was in the mid 90's) In practice, easier if you don't have to be around the carnivores. As we get closer to the due date though, say, around 2010 or so, I'd say go for it. Lots and lots of vibrant healthy living spring water, is the single most important choice, now, and until 2012. IMO. Not only an individual health issue. It's personal, communal, and global at the same time. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:11:44 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#afb760ee-f42c-437c-9cff-9334961a45a0 John 2007-10-25T15:11:44Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5285931f-8120-4ad7-b244-31ab078bf28e That's very cool! I have been trying to switch to a macrobiotic diet and am still finding myself hungry at strange times! i need to figure out hunger elimination as well. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:04:04 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#5285931f-8120-4ad7-b244-31ab078bf28e $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-25T15:04:04Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#fc68a47a-0012-4cf7-8596-86a32cb4990e I assume you are addressing me here? hehe, I am glad you are amused! 8) I eat plants, grains, nuts, fruits, vegetables, oils and very occasionally some seafood such as shrimps. I ate meat for most of my adult life, until a few months ago actually. I began de-attaching from conditioned beliefs and behaviours, starting with smoking and then eating (went on a liquid only cleanse for a couple of weeks.). I have experienced elimination of hunger on more than one occasion through entering what might be termed 'altered' states. Recently I have come across multiple well documented accounts of people existing for years without eating anything, confirmed by doctors and scientists! Fact IS stranger than fiction! Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:43:36 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#fc68a47a-0012-4cf7-8596-86a32cb4990e Nick 2007-10-25T14:43:36Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#8aa81f4b-e4b6-4dc6-af37-ad5524b7a213 mark. your comments make me think you are a brute. like i must chose the particular way you see fit, or i lose. is this correct? Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:10:59 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#8aa81f4b-e4b6-4dc6-af37-ad5524b7a213 Anistara 2007-10-25T05:10:59Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f5fa5117-4e5c-47f1-bcf8-b4145941e954 yeahh... i was going to pop in here Mark and address what Ferrara is referring to. while i realize that it's easy to become very passionate on many topics... especially one as important as diet. i do think you'll find a much better reception on this tribe if you tone it down a little and make sure that your own Ego is in check. it's especially important to avoid blanket statements and terms like "you people" and other such. welcome to the 2012 tribe~! i hope we can all grow and communicate well together. youhavebeenhugged, Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:19:32 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f5fa5117-4e5c-47f1-bcf8-b4145941e954 davidsjelly 2007-10-25T04:19:32Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e22366d0-8045-4325-93fc-65c9b1f27f9f MARK: Are you vying to fill the void in this tribe's discussions formerly occupied by our friend Bernhard? I ask in all sincerity, without sarcasm (well, okay, maybe a little sarcasm)... The vehemence and zeal with which you parlay your views comes off as more than a little dogmatic and intolerant (I mean the way you dismiss others' perceptions as psycho babble mental self-deception and such). You can't expect to win many over to your point of view that way... Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:05:33 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#e22366d0-8045-4325-93fc-65c9b1f27f9f $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-25T04:05:33Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#79c979d7-d77d-4bd1-a0c5-47a4f183f73e This is a good point, Nick. Yes, the plants are equally living, they react to emotions, intentions, music, colors etc. I don't think that keeping an animal for years to eat it afterwards is bad. Just like with plants, you develop a relationship with an animal, which is, in a good case, attention and love. However, the way this animal may end the life is significant. Plainly slaughtered and processed for the everyday meal is something that I deeply reject. Sacrificed to a corresponding force, killed with ritualistic manners and prepared for sacred events, after you ensured the healthy, strong offspring - this would be the way. How many people consuming meat actually do this? I don't have to unleash an international survey on this question-NONE. People are eating mass-murdered, mass-produced, pesticide, suicide, homicide, GMO crop fed FLESH to become the same; spiritless, meaningless, purposeless mass-beings (zombies). It is easier to maintain a sacred relationship with a plant, even if you live on the 23rd floor of a high rise apt.building. You can have a pot of cherry tomatoes, a supa-dupa sprout grower where you can exercise this relationship. If you have a garden, you are fortunate- you can grow enough plants to supply most of your nutritional needs. Eating fruits are the most non-violent form of food-human connection- the plants are not destroyed by having their fruits. With the veggies, you can maintain a continuity by saving their seeds and plant a new life again. This is nothing else, but an ultimate lesson in co-existence- and this is the way, where the raw diet is primarily leading. Also, our nutrition has become too complicated. A single slice of bread contains a dozen different kind of chemicals. Eating raw will simplify the everyday routine of "having a meal". I consider raw veganism the ultimate psychedelic experience- a full clarity of body, soul and spirit on every level, every day, in every moment of this life. You Are What You Eat. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:39:10 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#79c979d7-d77d-4bd1-a0c5-47a4f183f73e Auton 2007-10-25T03:39:10Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#933d9a90-615e-4a8c-bda5-7d26e50d64e9 Raw food consumption is favored by those who believe in eating "living" foods that have not been decimated by "excessive" heat. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:23:46 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#933d9a90-615e-4a8c-bda5-7d26e50d64e9 @leksonder 2007-10-25T03:23:46Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0959ce10-ebfe-46eb-80ec-bfda1d947c5e and plants totally live, and they completely rock. i don't think that is in question :) Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:47:40 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#0959ce10-ebfe-46eb-80ec-bfda1d947c5e $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-25T01:47:40Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f0240fdf-94bc-4ecf-b437-67412a6de4e5 what do you eat? (i am really amused by what you just said - are you a level 5 vegan perchance?) Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:46:40 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f0240fdf-94bc-4ecf-b437-67412a6de4e5 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-25T01:46:40Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a7b8bf3b-0267-4517-8f12-af690534848a This is not an excuse for there is nothing to be excused in thinking. Why are plants not equally 'living' as animals and humans? It is a question. I am actually seeking to promote the path of eating nothing over the path of eating meat. no need to defend against a shadow. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:59:54 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a7b8bf3b-0267-4517-8f12-af690534848a Nick 2007-10-25T00:59:54Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#60d3e110-cc7b-4ba1-a0d7-74a19db1425b No offence, I've heard that excuse before by the heat heads and I was one of them. Plants are of a completely different order. Let me define it further; any living thing with a face, that gives birth, that cares for its young. That runs from harm that seeks companionship or a mate. I could go on forever. Search deep within yourself and you will understand, not the psycho babble deception of our minds. Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:35:59 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#60d3e110-cc7b-4ba1-a0d7-74a19db1425b MARK 2007-10-24T23:35:59Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#221d85f8-447d-4716-af4b-eb2584298808 Don't get me wrong here... I became 95% vegetarian this year, I very rarely eat any kind of seafood and almost never eat any meat.. However.... Why are vegetables considered to be 'less than' living? Or are you acknowledging that it is possible to survive without any food at all indefinitely....? (I know that someone will call me on this and I will provide the references when asked). If so, then good on you... Yet we have some way to go it seems before this becomes an accepted 'fact'. Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:20:39 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#221d85f8-447d-4716-af4b-eb2584298808 Nick 2007-10-24T23:20:39Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#26ce8f62-4795-4172-b72b-935784e24ae4 I think it is inherently unethical to care for and raise an animal, build a bond of trust with the creature, and then one day slaughter it for food. It's morally 'cleaner' to catch and kill animals in the wild. I vibe with you in other conversations, but your statement above makes NO sense to me at all. Killing any living BEING for food or any other reason is not what conscious living is about. We don't need to kill anything to live, you know that. THE SOONER WE STOP KILLING, THE SOONER WE'LL STOP DIEING. It the LAW of what we are! Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:10:26 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#26ce8f62-4795-4172-b72b-935784e24ae4 MARK 2007-10-24T23:10:26Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6a225d71-4500-4cf0-bca9-41c3c00d1833 "I suppose I'm rambling... In my book there has to be something wrong with taking another life form from cradle, filling them with all kinds of crap, keeping them in the most despicable conditions, bonding them in a situation of hopelessness, and then herding them in to corrals for mechanical dismemberment. Do unto others...If you were a cow is this how you would want to be treated?" Exactly my view. It is for this reason that I feel better about eating 'seafood' which is to say dead fishes taken from the sea (preferably wild as opposed to 'farmed' fish) than eating eggs and dairy which *in most cases* are products of animals kept under despicable conditions their whole lives. Further, I think it is inherently unethical to care for and raise an animal, build a bond of trust with the creature, and then one day slaughter it for food. It's morally 'cleaner' to catch and kill animals in the wild. Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:48:04 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#6a225d71-4500-4cf0-bca9-41c3c00d1833 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-21T04:48:04Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4d765131-1198-4961-9964-22efdd2f52a2 I hear ya bro and your point is well taken. The point I was originally attempting to make was that to be conscious enough to be a Veg is the awareness of the ONENESS of all life and not to kill any living BEING. And from it's practice expands consciousness to higher vibrational levels of connectedness to this ONE BEING that is/we are. It just hurts the heart to see this miracle and privilege of life and its beautiful BEINGS destroyed and consumed by ultimately itself and have to pay the price for it, because it just doesn't know any better, at least for now. I know it may have seemed that I was getting defensive, but I wasn't, that’s why I tried to say it as respectfully as possible. But you know how emails are; it's not like talking face-to-face. Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:55:56 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4d765131-1198-4961-9964-22efdd2f52a2 MARK 2007-10-20T18:55:56Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f63c7bbd-d0fc-40e8-b8a3-bf524d37f799 I'm actually transitioning to a vegetarian diet. Perhaps I'll even go raw at some point. For me the saying that "Intention is everything." Is the one that has the most merit when speaking about diet. I suppose it also stems from a question I asked a Lama, "How do I cleanse my obscurations?" .....& he just looked at me....for a long time. I actually asked the next question. I guess I could look at it a lot of ways, but I prefer to think he answered me. The answer was that I already knew the answer. It's been a slow process, but I am a much cleaner than I was a year ago, and will be even closer a year from now. It is also my hypothesis that it matters how the animal is raised and killed. Obviously predators have their place. Their intention is not to hurt or maim, they are following their instinct and destiny, their intention is to live. The question is murkier with human beings who have will, thought, and creativity. Many old cultures place alot of value on quality of life for livestock. Hinduism and kosher for Judaism. (for various reasons, but the theme remains) The native Americans hunt was a sacred bond much as the predator described above. I suppose I'm rambling... In my book there has to be something wrong with taking another life form from cradle, filling them with all kinds of crap, keeping them in the most despicable conditions, bonding them in a situation of hopelessness, and then herding them in to corrals for mechanical dismemberment. Do unto others...If you were a cow is this how you would want to be treated? As my wife likes to say....It's not what you say, It's how you say it...It's not what you eat, it's how you eat it. It's not the fact that life was taken and pain was inflicted, it's how the life was taken and how the pain inflicted. What is the intention? Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:20:32 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f63c7bbd-d0fc-40e8-b8a3-bf524d37f799 Lost 2007-10-20T18:20:32Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a8b369f3-3a9c-4435-a209-a7485f91f0bb Hey Mark, I was not arguing against the merits of vegan/vegetarianism, so please don't be so defensive. I've been a vegetarian for most of the past 30 years of my life (i.e. my entire adult life, apart from my occasional indulgence in seafood i.e. dead fishes). I was merely saying (with an attempt at humor) that vegetarianism (or any kind of diet) is not a guarantee for spiritual moral advancement. Joseph Campbell, a very wise and philosophically sophisticated gentleman by any standards (and an octogenarian), professed/confessed to a lifelong gustatory love of prime rib and Scotch whiskey (in moderation, of course). No, I cannot prove that Hitler was a vegetarian. He commonly professed to be one in public. He could have been a closet carnivore, for all I know... http://www.geocities.com/hitlerwasavegetarian/ google 'hitler vegetarian' and you'll get a lot of 'evidence' saying yea or nay... FWIW, Charles Manson and his family were a vegetarian communal bunch of hippies at the time they did their nasty crimes, or so I've read. And Mark, I really like the posts I see from you here. I'm definitely not attacking you either, or your views... Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:03:44 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a8b369f3-3a9c-4435-a209-a7485f91f0bb $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-20T06:03:44Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#2d03cbde-ded7-4ffa-9d71-f9cf0908033c Oh really? Id like to see you prove that one beyond a shadow of a doubt and if by some small chance you can, he obviously had no awareness or idea as to why he practiced it. No offence or disrespect toward you in any way, but I'd like to know where that tripe came from. Probably from those who were once like myself, who where so aggressive and had no patience or understanding for people who were vegetarians or any other BEINGS for that mater and could not even fathom not being a blood lusting flesh gnawing carnivore. Respectfully, Mark Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:31:18 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#2d03cbde-ded7-4ffa-9d71-f9cf0908033c MARK 2007-10-20T05:31:18Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f91bea69-4554-4573-b2f6-1195a22e341d hehehe... goes to show you what one can achieve without all that dead burnt animal flesh swilling around inside the body. Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:42:52 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f91bea69-4554-4573-b2f6-1195a22e341d davidsjelly 2007-10-20T04:42:52Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#036e61ce-cf79-44d5-b6ff-9fa31c4bc8c1 Let me remind you (at the risk of invoking Godwin's Law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law ), that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian... Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:37:30 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#036e61ce-cf79-44d5-b6ff-9fa31c4bc8c1 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-20T04:37:30Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a32e88a2-74b9-447f-b18f-4614d5744a86 You're absolutely right; it does in fact address the problems we are experiencing on the planet today. Having the awareness to go Veg and or raw addresses one half of the problem and once it has cleansed and cleared the way to a higher vibrational conscious awareness of ONESELF, it has done the rest. In fact I’ll take it one step further to say; “if everyone on the planet was a Veg and or raw foodist, there would be peace on earth, not to mention; Love, Harmony, Unity and Abundance for all equally” Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:48:36 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#a32e88a2-74b9-447f-b18f-4614d5744a86 MARK 2007-10-20T03:48:36Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1f681fc0-31e6-4706-860e-d59fb17a705c yes... i've seen the movie. yes... going raw is one of the most important physical steps we can take as we move closer to 2012. yes.. go vegetarian and stop killing animals for your food. simplicity, patience and compassion will lead to our rise. andofcoursehugging, Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:30:05 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#1f681fc0-31e6-4706-860e-d59fb17a705c davidsjelly 2007-10-20T03:30:05Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#3fb863f4-1ed8-4d93-b735-94e86f27e17d oh, & yes that was a giant ad (google the title and the name josh ;) Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:21:40 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#3fb863f4-1ed8-4d93-b735-94e86f27e17d $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-20T03:21:40Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#fbd3fd03-e2c9-43c3-924b-ae33036ad828 Going raw (or macrobiotic :) is beneficial at any time during one's existence. (regardless of the subject reference to 2012) Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:14:16 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#fbd3fd03-e2c9-43c3-924b-ae33036ad828 $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-20T03:14:16Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4fda7d9a-8895-4ab9-bd35-e8fe45a3bfdf I am 80 percent raw now( for the last month) and I feel like my mind has been cleaned and shinned. The way i see it , eating raw and veg addresses so many problems we are having on the planet. It is not easy some of the time but they rewards are wonderful.... i feel much more receptive to "hidden energies" and stay positive through out the day and night. but did you have to put a big spam link in your post? Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:57:31 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#4fda7d9a-8895-4ab9-bd35-e8fe45a3bfdf solar 2007-10-19T23:57:31Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#b800b5d5-255a-4667-bcb0-e833e25fc6c6 I've been RAW for over a year, before then a complete Veg. It’s an incredible transformation going raw or even from a meat head to a Veg; however I recommend being a Veg first for at least 6 months before going completely raw. The benifits are infinite. Also for those who haven't read the gospel of peace, which has NOTHING to do with religion, get it, you'll be amazed as to the wisdom and awareness we lost so long ago that is within it. Much Love, Mark Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:17:36 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#b800b5d5-255a-4667-bcb0-e833e25fc6c6 MARK 2007-10-19T23:17:36Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#7c02d55b-b67b-4817-a2ac-9c3058b597ee So: What happens if we don't go raw before 2012? Never mind, I'm afraid to ask... How much of the undeniable curative and rejuvenatory effects of this 30-day diet were due to eliminating cooked foods from the diet, and how much were due to stopping intake of cholesterol-heavy meat and dairy and eggs, chemically processed junk food, sugar, alcohol, caffeine, and all the other crap? I wonder if comparable results might have been obtained by putting them on a 30-day macrobiotic diet of cooked brown rice and veggies? It's a good thing, if it helps people eat in a manner that is healthier for their bodies and for the planet, so I'm not knocking it. Just don't go and make a religion of it! ;-) Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:53:11 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#7c02d55b-b67b-4817-a2ac-9c3058b597ee $item.owner.firstName 2007-10-19T18:53:11Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f95ebb02-512a-4426-8d11-04b569e3b2c3 Has anyone seen the trailer for "Raw For 30 Days"? It's a documentary about six people, who normally eat fast food, who decide to go 100% raw for a month. It features interviews with doctors, experts, and raw foodists including Gabriel Cousens, David Wolfe, and Woody Harrelson. I am new to raw foods and very interested in hearing from others who are raw foodists and people who are trying to change their lives for the better. Many people in my family have diabetes and I have changed my diet and gone raw to prevent myself from also getting diabetes. The trailer on Youtube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSuqCMld00w There is also a new two-disc DVD set that is available for order called RAW FOR LIFE, which is a encyclopedia of Raw Food, perfect for beginners like me and Raw Food enthusiasts. I have found it to be very helpful, as I have been transitioning to raw foods. It’s about how to live raw, the Raw Food philosophy, why to eat a raw food diet, important medical facts and nutritional information. It’s a very practical guide to becoming raw and staying raw. Visit the Raw For 30 Days site at: www.rawfor30days.com Another great resource I have found is the Raw Summit site, which is at: www.rawsummit2.com I joined for the first Raw Summit and found it very helpful and interesting and it’s FREE! Who here is raw? Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:32:58 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/6e99b37d-c7fe-4dc4-a374-314df266c550#f95ebb02-512a-4426-8d11-04b569e3b2c3 Josh 2007-10-19T18:32:58Z