synchronicity is overrated

topic posted Fri, October 9, 2009 - 4:51 AM by  CALI
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i think it's a symptom of imbalance.. (says we gotta) get with the programme.
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  • Re: synchronicity is overrated

    Fri, October 9, 2009 - 4:56 AM
    ? You think synchronicity is a symptom of imbalance?
    • Re: synchronicity is overrated

      Fri, October 9, 2009 - 5:17 AM
      maybe it's like deja vu...?

      like it is supposed to be a misfiring of neurons or something...

      I was quite susceptible to deja vu stuff and it always struck me how trivial the details would be....

      as opposed to a clear instruction to buy a lottery ticket with specific numbers on a specific day etc...

      obviously if some people get that more beneficial kind of deja vu it's going to be more significant for them...

      when it comes to synchronicity I've been more "aware" of it if I'd been toking...

      and then a whole new universe of correspondences seems to appear...

      linguistic associations in a sea of fictions float to the surface...

      but as everything is always in the now synchronicity is ultimately the only way anything can happen...

      www.youtube.com/watch
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      Fri, October 9, 2009 - 6:43 AM
      oops i forgot i posted this!?? i've just been refreshing the troll thread and surfing the net. honestly i've actually lost my train of thought on this one for now, i hope to catch the drift again so i might elaborate or at least clarify all that.. but in the meantime believe me please when i say i don't mean to be irreverent.

      on with thee show
      and
      steady as we know~
  • Re: synchronicity is overrated

    Fri, October 9, 2009 - 5:33 AM
    it can work, for sure, but you have to read the tea leaves right, and not see too many pictures that arnt there. inbalance can sure lead to seeing picture that arnt there, we all know that, we all have done that.

    its not a yes or no question, i think, its a sometimes kind of thing.

    but it does happen, and there is some mysterious link between us all, events and time. Jung was no fool.
  • Re: synchronicity is overrated

    Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:07 AM
    Synchronicity = confirmation bias.

    Confirmation bias
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

    "Confirmation bias (or myside bias) is an irrational tendency to search for, interpret or remember information in a way that confirms preconceptions or working hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. These biases in information processing are distinguished from the behavioral confirmation effect (also called self-fulfilling prophecy), in which people's expectations influence their own behavior."

    Confirmation bias
    www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html

    "Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs."
    • Re: synchronicity is overrated

      Fri, October 9, 2009 - 9:11 AM
      hahaha.. well if that is true then it is a bias which can demonstrate that there is no separation from mind and physicality, leaving no doubt at all... not everyone sees this.
    • Re: synchronicity is overrated

      Mon, October 12, 2009 - 4:04 AM
      <"Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs." >

      to say all synchronicity is a confirmation bias is very much an unproven theory, not very scientific of you again Hoopes !
      • Re: synchronicity is overrated

        Mon, October 12, 2009 - 4:34 AM
        When we notice a synchronistic event, it is usually something out of the blue, something we were not thinking about at all that just synched up. My mind makes the connection. That's what minds do.

        I suppose the confirmation bias is about whether or not to attach significance. This really isn't confirmation bias. I see what you're trying to get at with the confirmation bias charge, but i think that on close examination it does not apply to synchronicity and you need to come up with another sort of common bias that tends to attach too much significance to everything the mind comes up with.

        Our brains are machines for coming up with connections. Some of these are more meaningful, some less, and some we just don't know yet. What do we notice of all the profusion around us?. Do we sometimes notice patterns that call our attention to information
        that our unconscious is trying to get through to our conscious minds?

        The i ching is valuable to me in part because it so often tells me what i don't want to hear. I find it an absolutely extraordinarily!!! tool for thinking with. I am amazed that its use is not more widespread. So i guess you can count me in the synchronicity is underrated folks.

        I think what we are calling synchronicity is really the way intelligence functions, and furthermore, i think intelligence is pretty much everywhere and in everythink in a big wireless system tied together in an open source evolutionary arrangement of some sort.
        • Re: synchronicity is overrated

          Mon, October 12, 2009 - 7:52 AM
          aren't you making a mash up of synchronicity with deja vu and divination and then projecing that mix onto a mysterious matrix...?

          kinda like believing in god... ;)
          • Re: synchronicity is overrated

            Mon, October 12, 2009 - 8:45 AM
            Divination is all about synchronicity, i'd say it is the driving principle behind the i ching. As far as believing in god, i do as long as god is all encompassing process. This seems to me to be pretty close to saying i believe in existence.
            • Re: synchronicity is overrated

              Mon, October 12, 2009 - 8:56 AM
              <The i ching is valuable to me in part because it so often tells me what i don't want to hear. I find it an absolutely extraordinarily!!! >

              yeah i find the I ching really good too, it often illuminates the situation rather than directly answering the question, though sometimes it very directly answers too.

              I do find that once in awhile it seems to come up with something, that just doesnt make sense and then i ignore it, but hey, nothing is perfect.

              I look at the I Ching like asking a friend you really respect for advice, you often follow the advice, but not always, or sometimes what they say doesnt quiet seem to make sense.
            • Re: synchronicity is overrated

              Mon, October 12, 2009 - 8:59 AM
              well if we don't differentiate then maybe the differences disappear...

              but divination as in the i-ching and cards etc is about randomly dipping into a set of predefined significance to see if it offers some insight...

              whether it works or not is highly subjective but it probably doesn't in any verifiable sense...

              deja vu is the impression of having experienced an instance because an instance reminds us of that instance which is itself which is strange...

              and in the matrix is usually associated with the agents appearing soon after...

              synchronicity seems to be about belief in destiny and that events will conspire to fulfill that destiny...

              for example...

              oh wow there's the bus to birmingham just as I walk by the bus stop so I must act on this synchronicity as it is a sign that I must go on my quest to birmingham or at least part of the way there until another irrefutable sign from god guides me elsewhere etc...

              www.youtube.com/watch
              www.youtube.com/watch
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    synchronicities

    Sat, October 10, 2009 - 8:04 PM
    My wife calls them 'signs' of either being on the right path or being stuck in a loop.
    Of course, they will slip right by you if you don't look for them, or at least keep an eye out.
    When you do look out for them, it is advised to distinguish the real synchronicities from confirmation bias.
    • Re: synchronicities

      Sat, October 10, 2009 - 11:47 PM
      well from a logical perspective...

      everything that happens and doesn't happen is down to synchronicity of events allowing certain possibilities to unfold rather than others...

      so from a clip I saw of celestine prophecy this means that some thulean heroic people have to play their part in fulfilling a prophecy...

      and everything is fated and thus synchronicitously brought into being on the spiritual and material level to allow the plot to play...

      so generally for most people not directly involved in the fetching of lost scribblings the right path is being stuck in a loop...

      all hail the great synchronicity of stuckness in a loop whilst the empire of evil marches on... ;)

      www.youtube.com/watch
    • Re: synchronicities

      Sun, October 11, 2009 - 1:04 AM
      particularly if everything around you is but the shadows you cast on the cave wall
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        Sun, October 11, 2009 - 1:18 AM
        • Re: synchronicities

          Mon, October 12, 2009 - 5:16 PM
          "The power of spurious realities battering at us today—these deliberately manufactured fakes never penetrate to the heart of true human beings. I watch the children watching TV and at first I am afraid of what they are being taught, and then I realize, They can't be corrupted or destroyed. They watch, they listen, they understand, and, then, where and when it is necessary, they reject. There is something enormously powerful in a child's ability to withstand the fraudulent. A child has the clearest eye, the steadiest hand. The hucksters, the promoters, are appealing for the allegiance of these small people in vain. True, the cereal companies may be able to market huge quantities of junk breakfasts; the hamburger and hot dog chains may sell endless numbers of unreal fast-food items to the children, but the deep heart beats firmly, unreached and unreasoned with. A child of today can detect a lie quicker than the wisest adult of two decades ago. When I want to know what is true, I ask my children. They do not ask me; I turn to them."
          PKD

          deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm

          so who are 'true ' beings?
          some of those are those that didn't buy the smoking gun, lock, stock and barrel.

          www.youtube.com/watch
          6.19 min

          most prove that it really is better to be lucky and good.
          and yeah luck may still have an expiration date.

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