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i think it's a symptom of imbalance.. (says we gotta) get with the programme.
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Fri, October 9, 2009 - 4:56 AM? You think synchronicity is a symptom of imbalance? -
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Fri, October 9, 2009 - 5:17 AMmaybe it's like deja vu...?
like it is supposed to be a misfiring of neurons or something...
I was quite susceptible to deja vu stuff and it always struck me how trivial the details would be....
as opposed to a clear instruction to buy a lottery ticket with specific numbers on a specific day etc...
obviously if some people get that more beneficial kind of deja vu it's going to be more significant for them...
when it comes to synchronicity I've been more "aware" of it if I'd been toking...
and then a whole new universe of correspondences seems to appear...
linguistic associations in a sea of fictions float to the surface...
but as everything is always in the now synchronicity is ultimately the only way anything can happen...
www.youtube.com/watch
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Fri, October 9, 2009 - 6:43 AMoops i forgot i posted this!?? i've just been refreshing the troll thread and surfing the net. honestly i've actually lost my train of thought on this one for now, i hope to catch the drift again so i might elaborate or at least clarify all that.. but in the meantime believe me please when i say i don't mean to be irreverent.
on with thee show
and
steady as we know~
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Fri, October 9, 2009 - 5:33 AMit can work, for sure, but you have to read the tea leaves right, and not see too many pictures that arnt there. inbalance can sure lead to seeing picture that arnt there, we all know that, we all have done that.
its not a yes or no question, i think, its a sometimes kind of thing.
but it does happen, and there is some mysterious link between us all, events and time. Jung was no fool.
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:07 AMSynchronicity = confirmation bias.
Confirmation bias
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
"Confirmation bias (or myside bias) is an irrational tendency to search for, interpret or remember information in a way that confirms preconceptions or working hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. These biases in information processing are distinguished from the behavioral confirmation effect (also called self-fulfilling prophecy), in which people's expectations influence their own behavior."
Confirmation bias
www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html
"Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs." -
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Fri, October 9, 2009 - 7:43 AMyeah the confirmation bias aspect is probably a factor...
but isn't there also the notion of destiny/universe facilitating will in synchronicity...?
like all the steps needed to take you somewhere important kinda miraculously fall into place...
only for lucy to pull the football away yet again... hahaha
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Fri, October 9, 2009 - 9:02 AMThanks! The operating principle behind most if not all déjà vu experiences is similarly commonly misunderstood.
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Fri, October 9, 2009 - 9:11 AMhahaha.. well if that is true then it is a bias which can demonstrate that there is no separation from mind and physicality, leaving no doubt at all... not everyone sees this.
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 4:04 AM<"Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs." >
to say all synchronicity is a confirmation bias is very much an unproven theory, not very scientific of you again Hoopes ! -
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 4:12 AMhow can synchronicity not be confirmation bias...?
unless you didn't notice it... ;)
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 4:34 AMWhen we notice a synchronistic event, it is usually something out of the blue, something we were not thinking about at all that just synched up. My mind makes the connection. That's what minds do.
I suppose the confirmation bias is about whether or not to attach significance. This really isn't confirmation bias. I see what you're trying to get at with the confirmation bias charge, but i think that on close examination it does not apply to synchronicity and you need to come up with another sort of common bias that tends to attach too much significance to everything the mind comes up with.
Our brains are machines for coming up with connections. Some of these are more meaningful, some less, and some we just don't know yet. What do we notice of all the profusion around us?. Do we sometimes notice patterns that call our attention to information
that our unconscious is trying to get through to our conscious minds?
The i ching is valuable to me in part because it so often tells me what i don't want to hear. I find it an absolutely extraordinarily!!! tool for thinking with. I am amazed that its use is not more widespread. So i guess you can count me in the synchronicity is underrated folks.
I think what we are calling synchronicity is really the way intelligence functions, and furthermore, i think intelligence is pretty much everywhere and in everythink in a big wireless system tied together in an open source evolutionary arrangement of some sort.
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 7:52 AMaren't you making a mash up of synchronicity with deja vu and divination and then projecing that mix onto a mysterious matrix...?
kinda like believing in god... ;)
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 8:45 AMDivination is all about synchronicity, i'd say it is the driving principle behind the i ching. As far as believing in god, i do as long as god is all encompassing process. This seems to me to be pretty close to saying i believe in existence. -
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 8:56 AM<The i ching is valuable to me in part because it so often tells me what i don't want to hear. I find it an absolutely extraordinarily!!! >
yeah i find the I ching really good too, it often illuminates the situation rather than directly answering the question, though sometimes it very directly answers too.
I do find that once in awhile it seems to come up with something, that just doesnt make sense and then i ignore it, but hey, nothing is perfect.
I look at the I Ching like asking a friend you really respect for advice, you often follow the advice, but not always, or sometimes what they say doesnt quiet seem to make sense.
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 8:59 AMwell if we don't differentiate then maybe the differences disappear...
but divination as in the i-ching and cards etc is about randomly dipping into a set of predefined significance to see if it offers some insight...
whether it works or not is highly subjective but it probably doesn't in any verifiable sense...
deja vu is the impression of having experienced an instance because an instance reminds us of that instance which is itself which is strange...
and in the matrix is usually associated with the agents appearing soon after...
synchronicity seems to be about belief in destiny and that events will conspire to fulfill that destiny...
for example...
oh wow there's the bus to birmingham just as I walk by the bus stop so I must act on this synchronicity as it is a sign that I must go on my quest to birmingham or at least part of the way there until another irrefutable sign from god guides me elsewhere etc...
www.youtube.com/watch
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Fri, October 9, 2009 - 10:01 AMooooOOOOooOO i just logged in to see i have 666 profile views.. RAAAAR -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 6:21 AMSynchronicity ? 666 ?
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 8:06 AMmonsieur orpheus? je serai sacrifie? vraiment?
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 8:35 AMbut isn't the mark of the beast more likely to mean that you are chosen as a carrier rather than a sacrifice...?
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 9:27 AMoh yep very feasible also.. or maybe i'm just going to sell out: 2012.tribe.net/thread/289...cebfa631879 -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 9:59 AMevil worms...
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Sat, October 10, 2009 - 11:33 AM"Confirmation bias" is always a given, but it does not account very well for the all synchronistic events. Hanging on for dear life to the "confirmation bias" idea demonstrates a refusal to even entertain the possibility that the world has a connectedness or web of connections beyond our everyday awareness. -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 11:59 AMa subliminal mesh of unspeakable evil...? -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 12:26 PMa liminal mesh of speakable joy -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 12:50 PMso like this hopeless mesh here is connected up with a mesh of joy somewhere else...?
like the bad neighbourhoods are just a train ride from the cool ones...?
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 12:53 PMnon local meaning 'without locality' -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 12:55 PMyou mean like me...?
deracinated and marginalised etc...? -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 12:58 PMerm.. not especially, I guess you are best placed to answer that.
perhaps if you describe home you will be clearer on the answer -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:02 PMwell what do you mean by non locality...?
non existent...?
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:07 PMin other words.. joy is not dependant on 3D location/placement... indeed your entire consciousness is not either.
and your joy is limited only by only your own perception and choices -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:13 PMare you talking about the availability of weed...? -
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 8:59 AM<are you talking about the availability of weed...? >
lol, orphrues for someone who hasnt smoked for a long while you sure do talk about it a lot ! lol, you sound like you really could do with some, if your living in the sticks why dont you grown some of your own ? Seeds you can get on the net, and i presume the seeds are legal in france like they are here ? I had fun growing some years back.
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 9:06 AMI don't get welfare...
no drugs and hookers for me...
I can't afford to live like everybody else... hahaha
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 12:49 PM<I don't get welfare... >
its cheap to grow yourself if you find a nice quiet hidden spot to grow it outdoors. all u need is the seeds, wont cost u much. -
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 12:57 PMI tried it...
it got stolen...
you know what people are like...
I don't need it...
of course if I had a GF and a social life I'd have to drink and do drugs...
but I started this prolonged experiment of being the only straight guy on the planet and it's interesting to see how it pans out...
not fun...
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 1:05 PMthis is just an anecdotal aside...
but decades ago when I still had some friends in london...
I was staying over for the usual drinks and smokes house party stuff...
and one of the kids there was really into his drugs and stuff...
he was kinda a rich kid and he'd grown these huge plants in the back garden of his parents house...
like really like trees...
but then his dad figured out what they were and didn't like it and chopped them down...
so the kid torched the place...
then his parents split and his mom kept looking after him...
I believe he had a leg amputated at one point and then he just died eventually...
he kinda liked pot but also kinda liked everything else he could get hold of and he could get money so...
but anyway you can get really attached to pot plants and it isn't nice when people steal them and then it all gets so sordid... hahaha -
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 1:20 PMpp: "...oh wow there's the bus to birmingham just as I walk by the bus stop so I must act on this synchronicity as it is a sign that I must go on my quest to birmingham or at least part of the way there until another irrefutable sign from god guides me elsewhere etc...
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 2:23 PMit was a hypothetical bus...
but whenever synchronicity has raised it's pretty little head in my own path it's been there to take me from somewhere dreadful to somewhere much worse...
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 2:18 PMOrpheus... non locality is part of Quantum physics...the matter that we see is local, the particles have spin, it can be pointed to... Our consciousness is not determined by location. We can't point to it and say here it is. It has no spin, no local and yet it is present somehow in space and time. Part of the unified field which contains all existence. Even the particles seem to communicate long distance this is non local entanglement. By this theory our consciousnesses are connected and entangled and on that level of consciousness of One Mind. We just have to understand this, and begin to manifest the possibilities.
Excerpt from One of many articles...
www.newparadigmjournal.com/Sept...l.htm
>>>As energy constructs, Human Beings are eminently non local in consciousness
We are thus living conduits to the stars and galaxies in the Cosmos.
As all Levels in the Human Frame are opened from the subatomic and atomic to the mental, and higher consciousness more light enters the system illuminating the mind and healing the body.
The Era III non-local medicine incorporates a paradigm shift from the mind-body into the greater reality of a living conscious universe.
By reconnecting with earth and cosmic energies we reconnect with the deeper and infinite aspects of ourselves. Indeed the planet Earth is the primary genome from which all sentient life has manifested over millions of years. Our connection with our Mother Earth also enables us to get back home and be grounded amongst ourselves and understand how we have a common ground not only within the context of our consciousness and reality but also with our planet.
Planetary transformation is conscious awakening to the cosmic field and the cosmic matrix of the planet and represents fusion with the spiral of the higher mind, the love of the galactic field, and the essence of the monad or highest enlightenment
The new consciousness expresses the art of living long fulfilling lives as Human beings as we become clear channels for universal life energy.
A greater understanding of sacred sites enables us to realize the sacredness and infinite potential of the human being and the need for reawakening of a world soul, an expression of interconnectedness and oneness which is the critical mass of awakening humanity.
REFERENCES
Entangled Minds by Dr Dean Radin
If you do not get schwindlig [dizzy] sometimes when you think about these things then you have not really understood it [quantum theory]. - Neils Bohr
www.deanradin.com/NewWeb/EMindex.html
The End of Suffering www.theendofsuffering.org/
by Dr Russell Targ www.espresearch.com/
and Dr James Hurtak www.futurescience.org/
Dr Larry Dossey Healing Beyond the Body www.dosseydossey.com/larry/default.html Offers a rare opportunity to look at human nature through the eyes of physician and see the shape of the Divine. www.dosseydossey.com/larry/beyond.html -
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Sat, October 10, 2009 - 2:25 PMfrom you preferred source...
a bit scientific but educational lecture
video.google.com/videosearch
love........e
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 2:27 PMfrom you preferred source...
a bit scientific but educational lecture
www.youtube.com/watch
same lecture here different location...
video.google.com/videosearch
love........e
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:10 PMthe net of neith -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:19 PMthe neith police dismisseth us... -
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:30 PMWhat isn't?
overrated is over.
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:31 PMso if you can stay asleep and only dream nice stuff...
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:34 PMtry it and let me know.
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 1:31 PMEgyptian goddess of war -
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Re: synchronicity is overrated
Sat, October 10, 2009 - 5:19 PM"so if you can stay asleep and only dream nice stuff..."
This is one of Orpheus' main pathologies - especially when he is in South Park Mode. The minute something like nonlocality is brought up his "sweetness and light" critique is trotted out as if these ideas do not admit of the existence of bad things. -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 7:34 PMHa! Evil worms?
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 11:22 PMso solari seems to be stuck in his dum and dummer pathology mode of "personal insult, ridicule, jabs, needling, putdown, trolling"... hahaha
so what do you think/feel/believe nick is saying...?
"in other words.. joy is not dependant on 3D location/placement... indeed your entire consciousness is not either.
and your joy is limited only by only your own perception and choices "
wouldn't it be a nice change if solari could try and develop thoughts/ideas beyond childish kindergarten ad hominem strategies... ;)
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synchronicities
Sat, October 10, 2009 - 8:04 PMMy wife calls them 'signs' of either being on the right path or being stuck in a loop.
Of course, they will slip right by you if you don't look for them, or at least keep an eye out.
When you do look out for them, it is advised to distinguish the real synchronicities from confirmation bias. -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 11:47 PMwell from a logical perspective...
everything that happens and doesn't happen is down to synchronicity of events allowing certain possibilities to unfold rather than others...
so from a clip I saw of celestine prophecy this means that some thulean heroic people have to play their part in fulfilling a prophecy...
and everything is fated and thus synchronicitously brought into being on the spiritual and material level to allow the plot to play...
so generally for most people not directly involved in the fetching of lost scribblings the right path is being stuck in a loop...
all hail the great synchronicity of stuckness in a loop whilst the empire of evil marches on... ;)
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Sun, October 11, 2009 - 12:08 AMcelestine prophecy is a MOVIE? oh boy.. i only got to the part where they were at that botanical institute in the book back in 2006. and that is where the plot has been put on hold.
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Sun, October 11, 2009 - 12:11 AMI could tell you...
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Sun, October 11, 2009 - 12:29 AMhehe that was close. i don't think i should. when i was a kid i would read the last page of books when i was browsing bookstores. but i've become patient since. sometimes it's cool not to race for the climax -
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Sun, October 11, 2009 - 12:39 AMlaura palmer was killed by... -
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Re: synchronicities
Sun, October 11, 2009 - 12:43 AMso you were just pretending not to know...? -
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Sun, October 11, 2009 - 12:51 AMif you're insinuating she was killed by reptilians you can't be serious but still don't confirm or deny or else i'll work it out
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Sun, October 11, 2009 - 1:04 AMparticularly if everything around you is but the shadows you cast on the cave wall -
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Mon, October 12, 2009 - 5:16 PM"The power of spurious realities battering at us today—these deliberately manufactured fakes never penetrate to the heart of true human beings. I watch the children watching TV and at first I am afraid of what they are being taught, and then I realize, They can't be corrupted or destroyed. They watch, they listen, they understand, and, then, where and when it is necessary, they reject. There is something enormously powerful in a child's ability to withstand the fraudulent. A child has the clearest eye, the steadiest hand. The hucksters, the promoters, are appealing for the allegiance of these small people in vain. True, the cereal companies may be able to market huge quantities of junk breakfasts; the hamburger and hot dog chains may sell endless numbers of unreal fast-food items to the children, but the deep heart beats firmly, unreached and unreasoned with. A child of today can detect a lie quicker than the wisest adult of two decades ago. When I want to know what is true, I ask my children. They do not ask me; I turn to them."
PKD
deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm
so who are 'true ' beings?
some of those are those that didn't buy the smoking gun, lock, stock and barrel.
www.youtube.com/watch
6.19 min
most prove that it really is better to be lucky and good.
and yeah luck may still have an expiration date.
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