ZEITGEIST - Part 1 : "The Greatest Story Ever Told" - HELP REQUIRED

<<I think zeitgeist is a myth about a myth! >>

i think i get you now, yoru saying its imcomplete and woven together to give more an impression of all powerful big brother than there is. I think your probably right.

however, a lot of the truths in the film I wasnt aware of till i saw it, it was one of the things that led me to this tribe. I found lots of it shocking. Lots of people are completly unaware of this stuf, the people i know in london my friends and family are.

I agree it leaves you with too much fear and a negative energy. Still i think there onto something also, when you contrast it with what is spun in 95% of our mass media.

Maybe thats even more of an argument for the film being balanced though, if its that important. But we still need to know these truths contained in it.

<<I think are way better advised to concentrate on promoting the positive. >>

well said Will and i am totaly with you there. I'm working on a project and we are trying to do just that. However, as people tell me, we need to be aware of the enviroment its placed in.

i also think we are talking about this in very vauge sweeping terms, which is kind of OK, but im interesting in an analysis of the facts and detials are any of the facts wrong, are are they right ? If there right im a perfectly capable of making my own analysis of the overall theme, but its the facts that are important. It may be too dark overall, and the message because of how its edited and put together may be a bit wrong, but im very interested in what them quotes from form US presidents were all about, etc, etc.

I think McKenna has it most right really more im thinking about it, there are probably 10% of the people at the top a bit like the film implies and maybe currently that 10% has a lot of influence, but that looks like its crashing about right now. I was reading the headline of the FT, seems like the IMF havnt a clue what they are doing. I think its heading McKennas way but that most certainly is not going to be all bad. SO in that sense i think the film kind of got it wrong, but then think of what they say at the end.

To be the biggest mistke is the weighting of 95% conspiracy power brokers controling the world, 5 % if that at the end about the postive stuff going on. That gives a wrong impression, and i think that the feeling bheind your post live and will's and on that Im with you both.

......................bunk.

I agree with you Psi.

"Conspiring to subvert the will of the people is exactly what has been going on for hundreds of years and always by the same or associated groups with the same agendas. And always the result has been the same - wars, rigged elections, financial losses and economic depressions, further centralised systems, a dumbing-down of the populace and an increase in the wealth of an elite and their supporters at the cost to the mass of population and the environment. "

SOOoooo True!

I wonder where Liv gets her information from? Does she support the army? Does she pride herself with delusions of grand success? Is her source a trusted one? What "light" (as David puts it) is she showing when she quotes from sites that are not trustworthy and fully honest? omg.... How can anyone trust the Interntaional Bankers agenda? If those bankers were good people, there wouldn't BE any poor people. (by the way, for those of you who pride yourself on "giving to the poor", I ask you: How much pollution do you generate a year to amass your wealth?) This planet would be a garden of beauty, not a cesspool of war and garbage dumps if it were not for the sham of money & politics.

This is an interesting article: www.michaeljournal.org/plenty49.htm

The Federal Reserve Banks are the agents of the foreign central banks. In 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act was fraudulently pushed through Congress, Congressman Charles Lindbergh stated: "This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth....When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized....The new law will create inflation whenever the trust wants inflation....From now on, depression will be scientifically created."

It's unfortunate, but young people in the United States are not taught (in government's schools) the history and operation of their country's most powerful financial institution, The Federal Reserve System. Created in 1910, codified by Congress in 1913 (along with the personal income tax), this "system" facilitated the US government's ability to inflame the nation's citizens for the purpose of supporting the European war of 1914-1918 (World War I).

CENTRAL BANKING:

The meaning of Central Bank: *** A "nation's principal monetary authority", such as the Federal Reserve Bank, which regulates the money supply and credit, issues currency, and manages the rate of exchange. www.answers.com/topic/central-bank ***

The adoption of "central banking", a concept indispensible to enforcing policies determined by big central government, is as old as Alexander Hamilton and The Federalists. Central banking has been tried and thwarted in the past.

Alexander Hamilton wanted a big, expansive and intrusive central government that would centrally plan the economy and pursue "imperial glory" in foreign affairs. He wanted America to imitate the British empire. In order to achieve this, he knew that a government-run bank would be necessary. Jefferson, on the other hand, believed that the sole purpose of government was to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, and that such a bank would be a danger to liberty. The two men debated the issue in long essays submitted to President George Washington, who eventually adopted the position of his fellow Federalist, Hamilton. (The Federalists in Congress played a role by passing legislation that enlarged the District of Columbia so that it would be adjacent to Washington’s property on the Potomac River. They had blocked Washington’s request for this until he signed the bank bill.)

The Hamiltonian position has prevailed for several generations now, making a complete mockery of the Constitution itself.

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QUOTES

Here are some more quotes from reputable men regarding the International Bankers:

"Examining the organization and function of the Federal Reserve Banks, and applying the relevant factors, we conclude that the Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA, but are independent, privately-owned and locally controlled corporations." [Lewis vs. U.S., 680 F. 2d 1239, 1241]

"We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies; domestic swindlers, rich and predatory money lenders which prey upon the people of the united States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. The Federal Reserve Banks are the agents of the foreign central banks. The truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States by the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board." - Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking & Currency Committee, speech on the floor of the House of Representatives, June 10, 1932

"In the united States we have, in effect, two governments....We have the duly constituted Government....Then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve System, operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by the Constitution." - Congressman Wright Patman, Chairman of the House Banking & Currency Committee, speech on the House floor, 1967

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders....The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and....manipulates the credit of the united States." - Senator Barry Goldwater

"These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government." - Teddy Roosevelt

"The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. I am an enemy to all banks, discounting bills or notes for anything but coin. If the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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In the United States you cannot get a job, bank account, insurance, driver's license, hunting or fishing license without a Social Security Number. In other words, you cannot make a living, travel, buy or sell without this number. It makes it very hard to NOT be a part of the system. Why do we HAVE to have a number??? Who made the Law that we have to be "numbered"? ANd further, NOW we are all going to be chipped like cattle. I for one do not trust this system. It is filled with lies, corruption, staged elections, false flagging and war. David talks about "voting" and speculates like he knows the "truth" because he is "sirius", yet he lied awhile back about winning the lottery and wants Obama ( a running dog) to rule. The whole system sucks.... literally this systems sucks the life out of anything real, good, divine, wholesome and natural.

The Banking Cartel is a scam. How can we continue to blind ourselves by pretnending it's gonna change? The Feds are not "for the people". The IRS works for the Feds. Their code and mandate is NOT to save this planet but to save their banks.

The IRS deposits people's income tax checks directly in the Federal Reserve banks--not in the united States Treasury. The IRS is merely the collection agency for the international banksters. Anyone can obtain the original incorporation papers (certified copies) for the IRS from Delaware's Secretary of State.

The income tax has centralized all political power in Washington, D.C., eviscerated the independence of the states, and has made tax slaves out of millions of Americans.

If you take out a paper dollar and look at it, you will notice at the top of the "bill" it says: "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE". A "note" is, by definition, an "instrument of debt" and "evidence of debt". According to BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY (Sixth Ed.) "MONEY" is defined: "In usual and ordinary acceptation it means coins and paper currency used as circulating medium of exchange, and does not embrace notes, bonds, evidences of debt, or other personal or real estate." So thise paper "Federal Reserve Notes" are not money and they are not dollars. Federal Reserve Notes are merely IOUs. There is nothing backing these "bills" except debt.

Article I, Section 10 of the united States' Constitution states: "No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts." The united States' Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land and this Law has never been amended.

Article I, Section 8 states: "The Congress shall have Power...to coin Money". Notice that it states "coin" not "print". For the first 72 years from the founding of our nation the united States' Government only minted gold and silver COINS for money.

It is unfortunate, that young people in the United States are not taught (in the government's schools) the HISTORY and operation of their country's most powerful financial institution, The Federal Reserve System. Created in 1910, codified by Congress in 1913 (along with the personal income tax), this "system" facilitated the US government's ability to inflame the nation's citizens for the purpose of supporting the European war of 1914-1918 (World War I).

Today the U.S. government is in debt to the tune of some $70 trillion if one includes all the unfunded Social Security, Medicare, and government pension liabilities. What a system! Great! Bravo! We know how to spend money and create debt..... shit, what a blast.


USURY

Usury! Wasn't this a crime some time ago?

The Federal Reserve System does not need to be audited, it needs to be abolished. It is a cartel operating against the public interest. It's the supreme instrument of usury. It generates our most unfair tax. It encourages war. It destabilizes the economy. Period.

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CREATION OF CENTRAL BANK - ROME


The Bank of Rome was one of the first Central Banks which opened offices in Venice in 1587, the Wisselbank in Amsterdam in 1609, Hamburg 1619, Nuremberg 1621, Rotterdam 1635 and last but not least the Bank of England in 1694. The Bank of "England" was actually the first bank to be named after a country and after the "Bank" of Rome it was the world's first Central Bank.

Then Usury was outlawed by Edward. During the reign of King Edward VI (1547-1553) the door was closed and locked against the "Bank" of Rome setting up a branch office in England. Parliament outlawed USURY and make it a criminal offense. The moneylenders persevered however and the anti-usury law was repealed in 1571. This opened the door to the establishing of the Bank of England in 1694. The Bank of England was incorporated on July 27, 1694, as a private joint-stock association, with a capital of £1.2 million. In return for the loan of its entire capital to the government it received the right to issue notes and a monopoly on corporate banking in England. Of course they only lent the principal so the interest would keep accumulating by compound interest. *** Since the loans could NEVER be repayed the moneylenders had complete control of the government and people.***

The greedy moneylenders of the Bank of England soon cast covetous eyes on the American Colonies. Their first attempt to destroy the Americans with usury was made in 1765. It was called the Stamp Act. Payment of various taxes were required in specie or coin. Since they had no English coins to pay the tax that meant that they would have to borrow at usury from the Bank.

Benjamin Franklin said that the American war for Independence was fought over money and currency (like every war) and "the right of the Colonies to issue their own USURY FREE currency apart from the Bank of England.

After the Revolution, the Bank of England still retained a stranglehold on the country by the chartering of the First Bank of the U.S. in 1791. The charter was to last for 20 years and expire in 1811. Congress refused to renew the charter and war was declared by the Bank of England in 1812

General Jackson said this about the 2nd Bank of the U.S. which was re-chartered in 1816: "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to route you out, AND BY THE ETERNAL GOD I WILL ROUT YOU OUT." And he did exactly as he promised. He refused to renew the charter of the 2nd Bank and it died an unnatural death in 1836. The people were finally free of the Bank of England alias the "Bank" of Rome until the Civil War began in 1861.

Jefferson believed that the keystone of the entire document was the Tenth Amendment.

In order to finance the war, President Lincoln approached the banksters. They wanted usury of 28% which Lincoln refused to pay. In order to circumvent the banksters he issued $450,000,000 in GREENBACKS or U.S. Notes. These GREENBACKS were non usury paying notes and were backed by the credit of the nation. Of course the banksters were furious. Had President Lincoln lived and finished out his 2nd term he would have forever closed the door to the malicious influence of the "Bank" of Rome. On April 15, 1865, he fell a victim to the leaden bullet of the assassin John Wilkes Booth — another tool of the moneylenders!!

Before 1873, most nations of the world except Great Britain had free coinage of silver and gold. That meant that anybody could bring bullion into the government mint and have it coined into money for free. Free coinage was like a reservoir connected by a pipe. Both metals always maintained a perfect parity or equilibrium.

When silver was demonetized, it destroyed this perfect monetary system for the entire world and gold became the sole standard. This caused a great depression in 1873, 1893, and the panic of 1907 led to the creation of the Rockefeller "Federal" Reserve paper, debt and usury "money" system.

Like Lincoln, President Kennedy opposed the banksters and it cost him his life.

On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

Soon after President Kennedy's assassination, Jesuit President Johnson debased the coinage by removing ALL the silver from the silver coins and shipping it off to Switzerland.

"The dominance of the Hamiltonian, Big Government philosophy, and the marginalization of Jefferson and his ideas, is the fundamental source of America’s biggest problems, including a foreign policy that has run amok; a tax system that treats citizens like medieval serfs; an arrogant and unresponsive central government; the evisceration of the states as independent political sovereignties; the economic boom-and-bust cycle that is generated by "the Fed"; the eagerness of Washington politicians to strip away more and more of our civil liberties; and the infantilization of America that has been created by a gargantuan welfare state." - Thomas J. DiLorenzo

WHEN AMERICA PRINTED THEIR OWN CURRENCY

In 1750 America created their own money. Benjamin Franklin was a good man.

Before the American War for Independence in 1776, the colonized part of what is today the United States of America was a possession of England. It was called New England, and was made up of 13 colonies, which became the first 13 states of the great Republic. Around 1750, this New England was very prosperous. Benjamin Franklin was able to write:

"There was abundance in the Colonies, and peace was reigning on every border. It was difficult, and even impossible, to find a happier and more prosperous nation on all the surface of the globe. Comfort was prevailing in every home. The people, in general, kept the highest moral standards, and education was widely spread."

When Benjamin Franklin went over to England to represent the interests of the Colonies, he saw a completely different situation: the working population of this country was gnawed by hunger and poverty. "The streets are covered with beggars and tramps," he wrote. He asked his English friends how England, with all its wealth, could have so much poverty among its working classes.

Franklin's friends then asked him how the American Colonies managed to collect enough money to support their poor houses, and how they could overcome this plague of pauperism. Franklin replied: "We have no poor houses in the Colonies; and if we had some, there would be nobody to put in them, since there is, in the Colonies, not a single unemployed person, neither beggars nor tramps."

His friends could not believe their ears, and even less understand this fact, since when the English poor houses and jails became too cluttered, England shipped these poor wretches and down-and- outs, like cattle, and discharged, on the quays of the Colonies, those who had survived the poverty, dirtiness and privations of the journey. At that time, England was throwing into jail those who could not pay their debts. They therefore asked Franklin how he could explain the remarkable prosperity of the New England Colonies. Franklin replied:

"That is simple. In the Colonies, we issue our own paper money. It is called 'Colonial Scrip.' We issue it in proper proportion to make the goods and pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power and we have no interest to pay to no one."

The information of Ben Franklin and the prosperity of America angered the English Bankers, and held their attention. They immediately took the necessary steps to have the British Parliament to pass a law that prohibited the Colonies from using their scrip money, and then ordered them to use only the gold and silver money that was provided in sufficient quantity by the English bankers. Then began in America the plague of debt-money, which has never since brought so many curses to the American people.

The first law was passed in 1751, and then completed by a more restrictive law in 1763. Franklin reported that one year after the implementation of this prohibition on Colonial money, the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployment and beggars, just like in England, because there was not enough money to pay for the goods and work. The circulating medium of exchange had been reduced by half.


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So GO FIGURE! For SURE there is Economic manipulation by the Central Bankers!

How can anyone who "reads" with interest about the Federal Reserve NOT see this?

Liv? What REALLY is your motive behind debunking Zeitgeist? Where do you get YOUR "sources" from???? Can you really trust where you get your information from? Who wrote this? You come off as alternative, someone who supports the "community", yet you can not see what is at the crux of all the war and poverty on this planet? Changing the world into a better place goes beyond lip-service, "community service" and donating to the "poor". It's funny how people who donate to the poor go home and eat until their way too fat.

Colonialism. Big Bankers. War Lords. Is this what we want to support?

By not seeing WHAT CAUSES THE MISERY AND POVERTY on this planet we in fact continue to support the war machine. By debunking the truth behind the Federal Reserve and it's creators, we actively support all the henious crimes committed by their "laws".

So many people are disallusioned by money, glamour and prestige - so many people are wayyy too fat for their own good. Wow.... so we are free to travel on Jumbo Jets to go and visit places all over the world, take mug shots and act like movie stars..... yet people are starving by the thousands because of colonialism and greedy people.

If you really want to help the poor, then rebuke the rich.

Very good, and good sources are finally understanding. And so, with this watched, now what?

BRAVO Brutha John and I will define this with the fact that what the war cost the U.S tax payers last year alone, the U.S government could have given One million dollars to each and every man, woman and child in this country, but that would bring too much abundance and prosperity to the lower class now wouldn’t it?. And in light of the ridiculous band aid the government purposes to stimulate the economy with by giving tax payers $800 back ,I think it was? What a ridiculous insult on the people of this country and with the war itself, the world. Do the math, what a travesty this whole circus is.

I just saw the movie recently, and while it was good in some ways I think some of the points M.PA raises are worthwhile too. The movie is not really original, not that there is anything wrong with that. In a way, it's a compilation of a David Icke video I've seen (he also talks a lot about the parallels between Christ and pagan gods), Aaron Russo's, From Freedom to Fascism and Loose Change. I think a movie like Zeitgeist tries to wrap things up a little too neatly. We should definitely question the conventional "truths" presented by religions and the government, but we also have to be skeptical of alternatives and do our own research.

" It is important to define what the Galactic Alignment is in precise astronomical terms. (See the Glossary below for terms.)

The Galactic Alignment is the alignment of the December solstice sun with the Galactic equator. This alignment occurs as a result of the precession of the equinoxes.

Precession is caused by the earth wobbling very slowly on its axis and shifts the position of the equinoxes and solstices one degree every 71.5 years. Because the sun is one-half of a degree wide, it will take the December solstice sun 36 years to precess through the Galactic equator (see diagram below).

The precise alignment of the solstice point (the precise center-point of the body of the sun as viewed from earth) with the Galactic equator was calculated to occur in 1998 (Jean Meeus, Mathematical Astronomy Morsels, 1997).

Thus, the Galactic Alignment "zone" is 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016. This is "era-2012."

This Galactic Alignment occurs only once every 26,000 years, and was what the ancient Maya were pointing to with the 2012 end-date of their Long Count calendar. "

That quote if from the page alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm that you posted... note the last sentence.

You are confusing the Alignment with the ERA... The winter solstice sun is 1 DAY and it is only completely Aligned one day with the Galatic Center, the Earth and the Anti-Axis in Pleiades... read more, my friend... your so close to understanding it...