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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:35 AMhe had such a strong will that he died a heroin addict.....
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:36 AMI'm also not that enamoured with dark mages -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 3:59 PMCopy and Paste prefers his junkie politicians to be mainlining his money and civil liberties! -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 5:57 AMCopy and Paste prefers his junkie politicians to be mainlining his money and civil liberties!
lol, I'm not biting
Crowley wasted his life
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 4:17 PMSo did William S. Burroughs.
What do you find that is "dark" about Aleister Crowley? Other than his reputation, that is. -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 6:37 PMSome people only see the dark. Even if theyre looking straight in the face of freedom, liberation & love. It doesnt matter if youre at 1, 2 or 3. Or if you make it to 33. I'm not even a part of that system. It's not required.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 11:52 PMwell from the little i know i can decipher that his writings propone an intrinsic self-interest.. and a kind of abandonment of 'higher' aspirations.. and this is the paradoxical effect i suppose - some are drawn to seizing that wild card, others rather travel a path of restraint~ me, i think i'll straddle
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:00 AMGood idea Cali!
I like to think that folks like Crowley and Ayn Rand-
laid the hedonistic groundwork,
filling out all those basic, primitive, terrestrial wants and needs till they're full...
so that guys like Huxley, Leary, R.A.Wilson, and the McKenna's could knock it out of the park! -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:11 AMI just think he's interesting. Like many other people and subjects I read about. I'm not a Crowleyite OTO Mason or whatever the kids are calling it these days. There are lots of people & subjects I find far more interesting. I just shared this bit cuz it's 2012 related.
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:25 AMyeah i'm definitely going to look into him one day soon.. cos it looks like he's somewhat of an exppert on yoga psychology even! -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:37 AMYoga schmoga. He was a high rank Mason & British Intelligence asset. Psyops expert and tool of mass experimentation on the collective mind of all humanity. Highly brilliant and highly fucked up simutaneously. Yen & Yang just like everyone. How many people wish they could have walked in his shoes? Someone has to play the important roles. Hitler. Stalin. Anton. Dali Lama. Ghandi. Jim Jones. Manson. Etc...... What is the end of the story? World slavery in the guise of freedom, liberation & love? The victims of genocide become an unfortunate inconvenient truth yet again? Oui oui. Buttocks of course. The fine line between being a genius and a tool becomes insignificant when omnicide is the main course on the menu.
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:14 AMAwesome!
I loved it when Poe tagged out, and Lovecraft totally ganked Crowley from behind with a chair...
SMACKDOWN!!!
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:14 AMoh well gee if only i weren't but a small town witch.. but not everybody's History/destiny is filled with subversive intrigue fame and unbridled power :/
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yoga schmoga: he wrote 8 lectures on yoga in 'clear and simple terms'.. 4 for yahoos, 4 for yellowbellies.. www.hermetic.com/crowley/yoga/ i'm looking forward to reading the presentation anyway
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 2:34 AMLet me get this straight, you are claiming that Crowley's work was a mind experiment instigated by MI-6 with the ultimate aim of killing everyone? Give me a break. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 4:08 AM<irony light on>
Don't ever listen to anything Mr. M has to say about paganism, ritual, or Thelema. The problem with him and all the uptight San Fransisco Christians like him is he loves to talk about concepts he has no idea about, yet has absolute faith in his own conventional dogma. He truly thinks he is truly playing "God's Advocate" here with you.
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then God is an iron!
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:59 AMI actually dont talk about paganism, ritual or Thelema very much. And I'm not a Christian. Where did that come from?
And Copy & Paste, I don't think LaVey & Crowley are the greatest people that ever lived. People assume way too much. I do admire both. Have you written any books and started a global movement lately? Silly man. lol -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 3:47 PMHave you written any books and started a global movement lately? Silly man. lol
no, and neither are necessary achievements to know evil when it raises its head -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:45 AMSo, you're saying, Crowley's evil, not because of any of the things you mentioned, but because you just know he is? I'm just trying to figure out what you are saying exactly. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:04 AM"So, you're saying, Crowley's evil, not because of any of the things you mentioned, but because you just know he is? I'm just trying to figure out what you are saying exactly. "
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:07 AMprophet of the aeon?
....lol, a sick and fallen one that's having some final death fits
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:53 PMYes I really am wondering what you're saying. Could you please clarify?
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 6:00 AMI just shared this bit cuz it's 2012 related.
so you should...
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:26 PMWhere do you get the idea that he died lonely? He was alone at the moment of death, but his son and his son's mother were in the next room.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 2:28 AMIt's not really an abandonment of higher aspirations, and to say self-interest barely scratches the surface. He has turned the last ~3000 years of philosophy in the West on its head, and in doing so simultaneously transcended and included it.
All the magick, yoga, and religion that he created was taking old ceremonial formulae and recalibrating them for this aeonic change.
"Despite the frequent assumption that 'Do what thou Wilt' is solely an exhortation to hedonism or licentiousness, Thelema as it was formulated by Crowley is a path of spiritual development based on seeking and putting into practice one's True Will, or destiny, the soul's Will rather than the ego's desires."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 9:33 PM>he had such a strong will that he died a heroin addict..... <<
At his time, heroin was legal and prescribed by the doctor for back pain (which Crowley suffered from). They didn't know much about the addictive effects, so we can't really blame the good ol' Beast for getting hooked.
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 10:37 PMActually not so much back pain as things like bronchitis and asthma. Anyway yeah, it was legal and prescribed to him. He did take it (and many other things) recreationally as well as sacramentally, and he was one of the first people to write about such uses for drugs in the English language. He should be praised for this, not ridiculed, eh?
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 10:51 PMThere's a vaccine for the Big Mac attack?
Crowley did many drugs. He loved cocaine. He loved drugs. I would never try to whitewash his drug use. He wouldnt want that either probably. He didnt when he was living. Why would he after he died? Just as I share openly about my own drug use. It is absolutley nothing to be ashamed of and not a bad thing. It can be in some ways. But even if someone abuses drugs and kills themself, I still think it's better to discuss such thing openly rather than not. Drugs offer what not taking drugs does not. A different perspective. It's that simple ultimately. No complexity involved. The complexity comes from what is inside of people. Not from the drug itself. Kind of like how guns don't kill people. People kill people. With Guns.
PS - Diary of a Drug Fiend. Indeed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diar...Drug_Fiend
Supposedly his last words were "I'm perplexed." He was just a human as anyone else. Perhaps more enlightened. Ya think? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:08 AMby any account, crowley was mild considering todays darkness... imo... at least he's a self admitted s.o.b, unlike most of them out there running amok... yea, crowley 2012 is only about liberation, hard to sneeze at that...
www.hermetic.com/crowley/l...lib77.html
do your true will, no others will say nay, yay!!
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 2:15 AMCrowley died peacefully and quietly.
Whether or not he was "more enlightened" or whatever is something that is best judged by actually looking at his work. I suggest anyone unsure of what to think of him, do so. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 6:12 AM"Crowley died peacefully and quietly.
Whether or not he was "more enlightened" or whatever is something that is best judged by actually looking at his work. I suggest anyone unsure of what to think of him, do so. "
Aye aye captain!
...I allready did
...can I say VERY misguided genius?
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 6:16 AMIf anyone wants to follow Crowley they better get themselves a sterile blade, antiseptic cream and bandaids....
lets get real.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 6:49 AMLet's read the punchline of The Book of Law (by Aiwass via Crowley).....
48. Now this mystery of the letters is done, and I want to go on to the holier place.
49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.
50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!
51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.
52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.
53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.
54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.
55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!
56. Also for beauty's sake and love's!
57. Despise also all cowards; professional soldiers who dare not fight, but play; all fools despise!
58. But the keen and the proud, the royal and the lofty; ye are brothers!
59. As brothers fight ye!
60. There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.
61. There is an end of the word of the God enthroned in Ra's seat, lightening the girders of the soul.
62. To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss.
63. The fool readeth this Book of the Law, and its comment; & he understandeth it not.
64. Let him come through the first ordeal, & it will be to him as silver.
65. Through the second, gold.
66. Through the third, stones of precious water.
67. Through the fourth, ultimate sparks of the intimate fire.
68. Yet to all it shall seem beautiful. Its enemies who say not so, are mere liars.
69. There is success.
70. I am the Hawk-Headed Lord of Silence & of Strength; my nemyss shrouds the night-blue sky.
71. Hail! ye twin warriors about the pillars of the world! for your time is nigh at hand.
72. I am the Lord of the Double Wand of Power; the wand of the Force of Coph Nia--but my left hand is empty, for I have crushed an Universe; & nought remains.
73. Paste the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!
74. There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son.
75. The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra.
The Book of the Law is Written
and Concealed.
Aum. Ha.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:12 PMGood stuff. You can't just skip to the end though, or you miss the point. Here's the whole text:
sekhetmaat.com/wiki/Documents/Liber_220
And here are the commentaries, where you can learn about the symbolism contained in the verses:
www.hermetic.com/220/crowl...ments.html
Here's a short piece elaborating on the basic tenets:
sekhetmaat.com/wiki/Documents/Liber_150
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:09 PMReading and learning from his work is not the same as taking him as an example to emulate. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:27 PMHehe :)
Self emulation is exactly what Crowley advocated with his philosophy.
"Act passionately; think rationally; be Thyself."
www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib30.htm
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:32 AMi didn't even need to click on that link~ it was purple for 'checked' already :D
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 3:49 PM"Reading and learning from his work is not the same as taking him as an example to emulate."
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:24 AMWhat an insightful analysis.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:38 AMIf anyone wants to follow Crowley they better get themselves a sterile blade, antiseptic cream and bandaids....
lets get real.
and that's just for starters.
hmmm... for starters, i don't know any thelemites who are following crowley. see? -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:00 AMhmmm... for starters, i don't know any thelemites who are following crowley. see?
Are Crowleys works are of no interest to Thelemites?
I thought that The Book of the Law was a main text for a Thelemite.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:25 AMYou suggest that studying Crowley's work is the same as following him. It's not. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:02 AM"You suggest that studying Crowley's work is the same as following him. It's not."
lol, that would be a bit hypocritical, wouldn't it? nice try though
read it all if that's what it takes you to get the flavour
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 3:16 PMNo it wouldn't be hypocritical.
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:40 PMThat would be like saying if you read a book about Jeffrey Dahmer you are just like him. Totally ignorant.
I say Crowley is seen as evil by many people for various reasons. Therefore he IS truly evil. But I don't see it as a bad thing personally. Because life is a contradiction in and of itself. The good and bad balance each other out. They make life what it is. Good and bad are subjective. Not 100%. Maybe. I do believe there are some absolutes. Truth is truth and can't be changed. But I dont think we human folk are experts on ultimate truth. We will always be learning till the day we die. This is why know it all types work my nerves. I'm all for sitting at the feet of really wise people and learning from them. But even if someone is really smart and intelligent, if they are arrogant and self righteous, it kind of negates a lot of what they say and do. I dont care how brilliant someone is. If theyre an asshole I don't pay too much attention to them. Gurdjief & I probably would have totally hated each other. lol Maybe not. Maybe I should make a t-shirt & bumper sticker that say Gurdjiefs Bitch. -
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 12:14 AMWhat's inherently wrong with being arrogant and self righteous? Other than that it is kind of annoying? Lots of great people had those traits -- why should it be the case that somehow they negate the value of a person's work? Beethoven for example. Is his work less valuable because of his 'tude?
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:35 PMI personally have no idea. I wasnt there. I have read that "I'm perplexed." were his last words. I guess someone would have had to have been there to witness that. I have also read that this is not true. I tend to believe it is. He was just as human as the rest of us. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 3:54 PMHe was just as human as the rest of us.
That's true, we are all capable of good and evil, the virtuous and the vile. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:34 AMIndeed, Crowley was not perfect, nor would any Thelemite claim he was, and he manifested the best and worst of this time, as the prophet of the aeon. Regardless of his personal foibles, he did bring a message of radical liberty to humanity that has changed history and continues to do so.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:31 AMThe people who were there were not in the room when he died. The story that he said "I'm perplexed" came from someone who wasn't there. His son and the mother of his son were there, not in the room, but they had been having long and pleasant conversations with Crowley in the days leading up to his death. So, there you have it. It took me 5 seconds to find this info using teh google. -
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:17 AMIn spite of the facts, c&p holds fast to his opinion. -
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 11:14 PMYou keep using that word. I don't think that it means what you think it means. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 5:17 AMwhat are you trying to say?
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 6:03 AMAt his time, heroin was legal and prescribed by the doctor for back pain (which Crowley suffered from). They didn't know much about the addictive effects, so we can't really blame the good ol' Beast for getting hooked.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 6:05 AMAnyone gonna trumpet LaVey as a modern day messiah now?
He's very popular amongst the brain-dead...
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 1:30 PMIt's easy to criticize a man who has more tabloid journalism written about him than Britney Spears. Not the sign of a great intellect to parrot that stuff.
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 3:50 PMI suppose you would caution anyone against reading Burroughs?
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:53 PMOMG! You seem like a new alt of Dan Dan the Christian man that got booted from the Crossroads of Religion tribe.
You think Crowley was evil? YES! He was very fucking evil to people that suffer from a puritanical view of life. He is a liberator to many. Take him or leave him. Get over it. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 12:59 AMyay yay yay I heard the word that the mr. crow bird got metempsychosed as a screaming jay hey hey hey... ;)
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:15 AMhello al...
www.chaosmatrix.org/library/...laws.html
ya don't have to slice yourself up, you can just poke yourself with a pin real hard and make sure it hurts, lol.. that's the thing with time, you can modify practices to serve your purpose. its hard for me to knock the crow, he's a silly ass, but very crafty!
some people do crazy scarification, and its usually just for ego centered looks anyway. at least his was to get yer ass to behave.
liber jugorum, lol... i'm thinking of the ol rubberband trick around the wrist, el snappo! yow! lol...
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:34 AM<<it looks like he's somewhat of an exppert on yoga psychology even!>>
Hey! So was Dixie Carter:
www.youtube.com/watch
behold the true beast~ -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 3:01 AMhehehe that was a cool video.. seems like a cool lady too
my mum was just walkin by and i had the volume up real loud from my music befoe and she goes 'what on earth are you doing!!?? what is that?? it's like The Ring.. hmm it's similar to the colours i'm using (she's working on some art project) it's given me an idea.." and then walks off back to her work -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:42 AM
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Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around my eyes, look into my eyes, you're under. ... -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:47 AM
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:35 AMi'm thinking about lime in a coconut. it sounds good in song, but my mind is having trouble reconciling the flavor... i'm open to it though...
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:46 AM... i'm thinking of the ol rubberband trick around the wrist, el snappo! yow! lol...
lol, better than slicing yourself up, for sure....unless you get to like it. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 11:36 AMlol, better than slicing yourself up, for sure....unless you get to like it. <<
so you are learning to understand then? theres a whole slew of examples where crowley did the actual deeds, but they're just just examples. there are no rules "do what thou wilt", its a process of understanding >>your<< true will, not do what crowley says or his true will. its a no brainer really. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:35 PMtrue free will and love....
now there's an idea
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 5:05 AMOMG! You seem like a new alt of Dan Dan the Christian man that got booted from the Crossroads of Religion tribe.
sorry, never heard of him..... but I try to entertain..
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 9:33 AMWilliam S. Burroughs, one of the greatest writers of the 20th century. Taking heroin the whole time, off and on, and died an addict. You've not heard of him? Somehow I am not surprised.
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 3:40 PMYou've not heard of him? Somehow I am not surprised.
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 3:49 PMThanks for the link:
www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib150.htm
sacred texts is one of my favourite sites
...though I wouldn't describe myself as a literati
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 8:00 PMNo but you do need to actually comprehend what you are reading if you want anyone to listen to your opinion :) -
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 9:46 PMNo but you do need to actually comprehend what you are reading if you want anyone to listen to your opinion :<<
i'm gonna have to agree with that. and of course! thelema isn't for everyone, its its own flavor and def has its protection mechanism, nor for the faint hearted and read between the lines, yada yada. and hey, you don't have to hate vanilla if you love chocolate, right? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 10:53 PMI have a love hate relationship with Freemasonry. Yet I have friends that are Masons. And A.C. was supposedly above the highest rank of 33rd degree. There are a few degrees above that apparently. Most initiates never progress past the first 2 or 3.
OTO
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 11:45 PMi don't think the 33rd degree is that big a deal. here's why. (and it may have been at one point but not now). my grandpa was a 33 degree mason. he ranked 33 in 5 rites. he was pretty regular, a do-gooder for the community, and that's sort of what its about. its not that big a deal...
the conspiracy behind the philanthropy is non-sense. and yes, there are aspects that look really slanted to those who can't see the truth of things, beyond religion. that's the attainment that crowley prolly reached with his h.g.a (and anyone can do it given discipline, will, and desire or drive, etc...)
god is satan, perhaps, i always think its lucifer though, whats the diff? i think there must be one. satan seems more assholish, where lucifer seems softer in an insane light way... olo -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 4:38 AMwell i'm not sure but isn't Lucifer just a fallen angel? kinda like, well.. the Antichrist.. but i'm pretty sure Lucifer isn't Satan..?
and call me ignorant, but isn't it kinda strange that you guys are openly talking about your friends and relatives being Masons? i mean doesn't it suggest much more? -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:21 AMFor his rebellion against the Creator, Lucifer was trapped in a nightmare realm.
WE ARE Lucifer's nightmare, a nightmare where he believes he is SEPERATE from the Creator, egotistical and alone, no longer part of creation and nature.
One of these days, the sleeper will awaken....
So in the long run, all this Masons, Lions Club and Oddfellows Local 262 stuff won't matter then!~ -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:23 PMlucifer isn't satan, but o they're in cohoots! i guess anti-christ, but it depends on defintion etc... its all relative. anyhow,
anyone can be a mason. its no secret. and if you become a mason, your aim is 33 degrees, that's no secret. they are philanthropists if we shed any light on them. what more could be suggested?
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:34 PMwhich makes me think...
i'm not attached to any idea as solid. things change and fluidity is an important part of magick.
what is the best we can hope for in 2012 and after
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:44 PMI thought Satan & Lucifer are the same "person". Whether He is real or not is of course debated by many.
Why would it be a problem to mention if youre friends or family with a mason? I have all kinds of friends. Some are even racist. Some of my nonracist friends dont understand how I can be friends with certain people. I take each person as an individual. Mostly I probably wouldnt be friends with people that hold certain views. But everything in life isnt always black and white. There's a lot of grey area. And I have no problem being friends with some people that hold various views. Regardless of how out there or extremist others may think of them. Some people think negative shit about me. I could care less. My friends & family are my friends and family regardless of how we might feel about specific subjects. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:48 PMi dunno people might judge you as being in cohoots with the high n mighty i guess.. but yeah i suppose that's just people being judgmental. i'm just misinformed about it all
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:52 PM<< Satan & Lucifer are the same "person" >>
Satan (Hebrew: השָׂטָן ha-Satan ("the accuser"); Arabic: الشيطان al-Shaitan ("the adversary") - both from the Semitic root: Ś-Ṭ-N) is an embodiment of antagonism that originates from the Abrahamic religions, being traditionally considered an angel in Judeo-Christian belief, and a Jinn in Islamic belief. Originally, the term was used as a title for various entities that challenged the religious faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible.
Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", that was used as a name for the "day star" or "Morning Star" that precedes the risining star.
The name is frequently given to the Devil in Christian convention. Use of this name in reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven.
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Satan and Lucifer
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 9:05 PMMy sense is that Satan is associated with Testing as ruled by the planet Saturn. Testing in terms of lessons offered for growth in whatever area seems to require it.
Lucifer I see as corresponding with Temptation as symbolized by the serpant in the Garden of Eden. The planet Venus is recognized as both the morning star and the evening star depending on the time of year. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl are associated with the concept of the "Morning Star" which imo represents the dawn following the dark of night or the dark night of the soul as mystics see it.
The Devil conflates the two with the Tarot card showing a naked male and female chained to the goat beast. Each concept does have a Limitation element attached which can be viewed as either limits for expansion (satan) or limits placed on oneself through desire (lucifer). -
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Re: Satan and Lucifer
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 9:14 PMoh i love Saturn! love gemstones associated with Saturn.. though i've heard of some Saturn worshippers who are supposedly evil or something.. nyway..
i just read that hasatan of the Hebrew traedition had no power of its own, but is only able to alert God to the evils of humankind.. although asking at one time to test Job.. or something..
and also that Lucifer 'became' Satan after the Rebellion of Heaven.. and the ruler of this world, illusion
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Re: Satan and Lucifer
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:04 PMSaturn , Satan, Shiva, JAH .... all symbols of the same energy from different perspectives
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:46 PMi thought only men could become masons.. and i'm not sure what more it suggests, just some subversive connection to something or other.. i really don't know.. it's never something i really talk about
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 8:01 PM<<<i don't think the 33rd degree is that big a deal.>>>
i met one once, he did not impressed me much on the esoteric side, but he sure had a lot of business contacts
Today's Manson's dont do any masonry ....
"Lucifer, THE LIGHT-BEARER! STRANGE AND MYSTERIOUS NAME TO GIVE TO THE SPIRIT OF DARKNESS! LUCIFER, THE SON OF THE MORNING! IT IS HE WHO BEARS THE LIGHT AND WITH IT SPLENDORS INTOLERABLE BLINDS FEEBLE, SENSUAL, OR SELFISH SOULS? DOUBT IT NOT!" Just as the Word of God is a Light that shines through the darkness (ignorance) of this world, so is there a counterfeit Light called Illuminism that actually derived from the name Lucifer. For "Lucifer," as we have already seen, means "The Illuminated One," or "Shining One."
www.gatecreepers.com/workspa...Pike.pdf -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 8:12 PMare the Masons connected to the Knights Templar and the Illuminati? who are the guys intent on sorting out the bloodline of Jesus n Mary n protecting the Arc of the Covenant etc etc?
and what is a counterfeit Light? like what Prometheus brought forward? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 8:35 PMMan-sons come in all different stiles (rites) .... like all in life ... is not the same being part of a Manson Lodge in Wyoming as being part of the Masonic Lodge in Oxford, England
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:46 PMare the Masons connected to the Knights Templar and the Illuminati? who are the guys intent on sorting out the bloodline of Jesus n Mary n protecting the Arc of the Covenant etc etc? <<<
some are and some aren't. its a huge world with lots of stuff going on. it a lot related to business, which often in banking and those areas of the old timers. women are not freemasons, no siree. we have other work to do.
the satan- lucifer thing has to do with the trickster (like prometheus and a host of others with different names, same mythos), stealing fire, revealing stuff... etc... lol. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:45 PM<<the trickster >>
the personification of Chaos -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 12:06 AMNorth American legend of the Coyote, has him stealing fire from the gods too...
members.cox.net/academia/c...e.html#fire
that wiley ol' coyote~
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:13 AMI think this is the best idea ever. Crowley is great. Anyone that can get on the cover of sgt peppers is obviously a star, even if we all are.
It's such a good idea that I even got inspired to finally cash in on 2012 with a fancy sigil and witty caption or 2 that I stuffed in the gallery.
cafepress ahoy: www.cafepress.com/tanklepan more items coming soon. wife and child to feed etc etc 93 -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:19 AMis there an all black hoody version without the lettering...? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:36 AMi think thats a wise move... -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:08 AMI like the zip hoody one...
do you have the motif in fluorescent green...?
and a stash pocket for the drugz and the blades and stuff...? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:13 AMand could I have "arbeit macht frei" as the text...? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:24 AMI don't get much web traffic these days but I do get occasional spikes that I have never profited from...
maybe we could do some form of commercial conspiracy...?
I own most of the cybercouture domains and it might be worth channelling web traffic through to some enlightened t-shirt designs for the culture starved masses of online consumers...?
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:25 AMKinda an even nicher market. And I can't seem to find how you do different images on the same product.
so no just now. You could knock one out easily enough and make a few quid yerself. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:53 AMI'm more a kinda pre-thatcher whiner and not commercially oriented...
I always thought I'd become the socially adjusted breadhead once I got a wife to nag me about human rights and stuff...
but I got left on the shelf with the luxury of indulging in not bothering to get a life...
which isn't great but at least I don't have any tatoos... hahaha
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:27 AMIt looks like the crowley 2012 logo is under a commons license, so you can make versions of it and sell it if you want, or just make your own stuff or whatever if you give credit. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 9:21 PMSo are Lucifer and Satan really that different?And if they are--or aren't--isn't that just another example of the old an (for me) discredited dichotomous/non-unitary (vs. unitary or reversible, and thus reciprocal or convertible unity of contraries) perspective of us-them, good-evil, material-spiritual, mind-body, saved-damned?
For me, the alchemy of opposites has worked (everything contains its opposite).... -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 11:55 PMto me, they are just other limbs of the body of god. i was looking over the wakeworld, one of my favorite tales. this is my favorite passage from the beast:
"It was midnight, and the Devil came down and sat in the midst; but my Fairy Prince whispered: "Hush! It is a great secret, but his name is Yeheswah, and he is the Saviour of the World." And that was very funny, because the girl next me thought it was Jesus Christ, till another Fairy Prince (my Prince's brother) whispered as he kissed her: "Hush, tell nobody ever, that is Satan, and he is the Saviour of the World."
theres more to the tale than that, of course, but for me, i enjoy the imagery and the ponders... one in the same, sorta. its difficult to define each one as separate, so its easier to unify the elements and chalk it up to various expressions of the same thing(ness). damn saved, lol...
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 5:06 AM49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.
50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!
51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.
52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.
53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.
54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.
55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!
- Aleister Crowley -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 4:03 PMtear em down and watch em get back up again... darned birds... -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 6:57 PMturkey-buzzard for thanksgiving -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 4:28 AMuseless and sloven
until it's you
soothsayers and mavens
unless they're you
eat me raw
stew me
till the blood
runs clear
on the open ground
with the dovetail deer
'cept when it's you
sympathy's not enough
gotta have respect
cause you're you
I'd laugh if it were me
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 6:53 AMJust HAD to get the 113th post. ehehe -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 7:02 AMI like these gunslung poems people are letting rip. They need to be freer and crazier though. I'm sure everyone's just getting warmed up.
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 2:11 PMDid you guys see this mention of one of these threads? ac2012.wordpress.com/2009/10...eathbed/ -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 6:32 PMexcept for those that don't
will you have my actions silenced until the end of time?
your brain-teased judgments scalded clean with remorse.
of folly and countless escapades that sought only your delight.
turned to crime and missing chances at every turn.
to bring together all futility and simmer in cold dawns such as this.
with a rising sun, warmth tickles pink your infinite desires, of waking
from so long a sleep, it never tires of dying from each pitiful rebuke
that sends me once again into horrors caught with nightshades,
labled, framed, shamed and forever straying, until now when I'd only
still whisper in your ear, I love you and you return the favor.
now i would appreciate, if you could explain, as clearly as your won't.
the exception that proves the rule and how its definition breaks cool,
upon your face so bleak, your heart in tatters, still smelling sweet,
your words of wisdom foretelling a likely retreat that will not borrow
or weep, yet harness a respite from due diligence to reap a whirlwind. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 8:52 PMIn Lewis Mumford's "The Pentagon of Power"(1970) he foresaw what the onrushing tsunami of information would do. Here he is on that: "Without... self-imposed restraints the over-production of books will bring about a state of intellectual enervation and depletion hardly to be distinguished from massive ignorance."
In other words, there would be so much apparent richness of information that people would become progressively poorer in understanding. Sound familiar? -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 9:16 PMintelligence comes in all shapes and sizes. i get the point but i wouldn't call it the end all... ignorance is bliss, but only to a degree and not much of one, lol...
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 7:06 AMBuy, it sure does...
Kind of like how the extreme availability of Crowley's works online has paradoxically produced a whole subcultureof people who collect the e-texts but do not read them. As if having them alone signifies knowledge; not unlike the book collection of prior decades but in that case there was some investment involved so (apart from pure speculation on resale value) the person was bound to actually value the material. -
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Re: Aleister Crowley 2012
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 3:40 PMpeople need to apply the tools, they don't work so much sitting in the shed.
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