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Sun, June 7, 2009 - 8:43 PMI think you're onto something there, big O.
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Sun, June 7, 2009 - 10:12 PMyou make declarative statements as if they made sense beyond your frame of references, then, even if others may similarly do so, but With complex coherencies beyond an Evoking of habituated-obituated professional-authoritarianism ...... suddenly they are "not authorized" to make such statements.............. I challenge you to match my wits, and wits Require a measure of Creativity, .... but there is Ever a Shirking , an inherent indication of creative inability or unwillingness Except within the Officially Scrutinized frameworks.
The Institutionalized instructions-on-how-to-THINK that are being rerereAsserted here are Rotten-to-the-core, as can be expected from eating-the-dead (or phantom-fixating on worm-eyvilities, for that matter). This as a mere Aside, as Directness appears to be cause for digressions into disengaging link-atives. Unexplained, explained, it's all about playing mind-ball games for a peak experience of logical "AHA" . Logical AHA, by Milton Bradley........ a juvenile substitute for actual ecstatic union with essence. I'm just sayin' there's a lot more to Being than what it appears some are celebrating as rationally wundurrful.....
There Are those of us who Actually Observe the Complex Universe without simplisticating the mathworks involved, but that would take an almost SuperNatural skillfulness, and meat-puppets "aren't Whirrthy", are they(?), in the Wayne'sWorld of-and-among the obedient-subnerviant desk-set-ocracy. Commitments may have been made, yet aesthetic-surrender is one of the obstructives that only sentient management of the limbic-cumulatives can hope to make up for in the navi-gineering of something beyond "do&Be-as-yer-Told ambiances" -
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Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:27 AMThe source of that mysterious trilling sound revealed?
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Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:29 AM"you make declarative statements as if they made sense beyond your frame of references"
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Mon, June 8, 2009 - 9:46 AMMy statements relative to my 'frame(s) of references' (as a Competent and accurate mode of operation in the limitations of this format) go far into known & knowable (archetypally & through shared-sharable-verifiable coherences of consciousness) frameless infinities, and they Do make sense..... and That would be the difference twixt&twain. -
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Re: Truth?
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 4:25 PM"and they Do make sense"
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Mon, June 8, 2009 - 6:03 PMIf you have a problem with lack of Clarity, or the ability to make Sense of things, I'm Not one to Withhold from you, and others so afflicted, the means of Understanding..... yet I really Can't Imbibe of the waters of clarity "on your behalf" .... as failure to "indulge-in-experiencing-the-possibilities" is the step not being taken.... which only one's own self can fully grasp thereof by means of a willingness to do so. -
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 12:59 AMwell that sounds like the normal social indoctrination/initiation process of evil murderous gangs and tribes and cults and conspiracies and academies and and and...
you can't know what assholes know until you are an asshole and then probably only when you are the asshole supremo that holds office at the top of the anal orifice pyramid scheme etc...
I guess it must be true if everybody does it... hahaha
and come to think of it...
kwai chang was probably upping his understanding another notch when the grasshopper finally got clear...
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Truth?
Tue, June 9, 2009 - 12:22 PM"you make declarative statements as if they made sense beyond your frame of references, then, even if others may similarly do so, but With complex coherencies beyond an Evoking of habituated-obituated professional-authoritarianism ...... suddenly they are "not authorized" to make such statements.............."
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 1:10 PMIt's called Eloquence, accompanied by a Vibe, ... if one fails to grasp the conceptual convolutions, you are still free to inbibe the vibe-z. -
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 1:18 PMa vibe is a spectral harmonic chord, with high-middle-low overtones. .... and the lower tones may resemble astral plane energies.... the stuff of dreamscapes. -
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Re: Truth?
Tue, June 9, 2009 - 1:26 PMthe tripartite system...
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 1:35 PMwhether or not one chooses to inhabit a dumfest of sorts is a question of your own free will. I might visit on occasion for a chortle, yet I'm not one to take up full-time residency... given that it provides little more than a bit of relief, and a lot less than a navigable plan out of oppressive conditions, as are present galore. -
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 3:27 PM"a navigable plan out of oppressive conditions"
Are you feeling oppressed, Leslie? Or are you the one who's seeking to oppress?
I don't think the authoritative, holier-than-thou, truth-knowing voice works so well, regardless of who it's coming from.
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 4:01 PMYa think there's no oppression functional in our situation (much of the world in General, really)? WOW!!!
Why are you So Angry there Hoopes? Repressed oppressiveness (I know you've been Trained to deal out a Proper Measure of oppression as-needed for crowd control)? AND/Or, Is it because you've been Totally Unable to fashion a response (oh yeah, right, the lame-izoidal links and such irrelevancies to the basic facts) to All the Issues I & others have raised regarding how crop circles that are authentic DO involve UNEXPLAINable (in any conventional scientific terms) realities, as do the 19.47 degree latitude standing vortices on many (as made visible by thick atmospheres) planets, and the hexagon vortice at Saturn's pole (oh, right, hexagons occur naturally, in Nature, and There's your science for you)
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I get to speak in ways that Might seem (your problem, your perception) holier-than-thou, or Smarter-than-thou, because I DID MY HOMEwork, and by Every indication, you Still haven't done Yours. You may think you are at-the-head-of-This Class, maybe even entertaining ideas that you somehow are in a teaching position (Robin played a joke on us all), but it's a matter of: Those who are QuaLIfied to Lead in Particular SUbjects.... are Able to Handle the Truth in ALL its Crazy complexities........ while others Play curriculum-approved games of Make-Believe, InDeed!
Modern science is maybe 50%, or more, accurate-reliable, 30% fuzzy, and the rest is crammed with secrecy and deliberate, calculated Scamwork. To the Extent that you refuse to face that, to come to some kind of terms resembling the actual landscape that has been shoved repeatedly into my face and the face of many others here, You Can't Handle The TRUTH!
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 4:18 PMLet em remind everyone here, including the Head-case, that science is supposed to be about truth, BUT ThaT ship Sailed long, long ago, for those of you who may be still nursing delusions to the contrary. So, we are left in greater part with Ourselves (for reliance upon a sense of truth).... but some here would say "who-do-you-think-You-are"? You are not anointed as a "keeper of the truth" by one of our great universititi truth-centers........ You have NO RIGHT to present yourself as a person sharing Truth, and no right to even perceive a sense that you are being oppressed by anyone who says you have no right to present what you have to say as relative to truth.
ding-dong ding-dong .....what's wrong with This Picture, duh?
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Re: Truth?
Tue, June 9, 2009 - 4:31 PMeverybody knows the truth...
and the truth is it's all made of evil worms...
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 4:44 PMthis is the truth for very few people, and it's not an "everybody knows" thing at all, nor could it be so, as it has no reality beyond your proclamations and the work of certain string theorists, who admit it could never be so proven. If we were to pretend it might hold a shred of truth, how were these evil worms 'made' , and if they've been 'made', has someone called the cops on them to corner them at their hideout? -
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Re: Truth?
Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:05 PMas I have pointed out on many occasions...
the evil worms are all that is...
it's wriggly holistic fractal profane geometries...
the worm is a hologram of itself infinite in micro and macro...
eternally eating and shitting itself...
it's all that is and it's evil...
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:26 PM
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:38 PMI don't think reasoning and credibility have been a matter of concern for Orpheus, and if (by any wild error in perception) you intend that comment to apply to myself, that would be the essence of thin ice for anyone to tread upon. -
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:50 PM
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Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:23 PM"I don't think the authoritative, holier-than-thou, truth-knowing voice works so well, regardless of who it's coming from."
Except maybe, when its the voice of the computer on the starship Enterprise.
That's about the only instance I can think of.
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Re: Truth?
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 1:12 PM".... the stuff of dreamscapes. "
Or delusions.
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Re: Truth?
Wed, June 10, 2009 - 10:15 AMWell... I doubt Bush will be punished for his War Crimes. And no the World Does NOT END period... Not until the Sun Swallows It... Millions of years down the road. And I don't Hear the Voice of God... No more than any other being in the multiverse anyway... We are all God... DUH
Anyway Orpheus, Truth Is not an Unexplained Mystery... That is contradictory. Truth is Truth. It needs no one to support it for it stands self evident as Truth.
Here is some Truth for ya, you are obviously starving for it in my absence. (joking)
The PTB want you to manifest your own demise, thus THEY perpetuate a Fear Based Economy, a Fear Based Society, A Fear Based Religions. The Truth is that there is only 1 Truth, But there are an Infinite amount of ways to perceive that Truth. The Truth is there is nothing to Fear but Fear itself. The Truth is that you DO Make Your Own Reality. So Chose Wisely which Reality you Want.
Or was that too much Truth for Ya... LMAO
Peace
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Re: Truth?
Wed, June 10, 2009 - 10:56 AMum...
can I have the empowered reality with the wealth and the tantric babes etc...?
and can I have it backdated...?
so a time-machine would be nice too to get me started in the right direction...
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 9:40 AMI was going to Post this Yesterday... But Tribe Buggered out on me. And ya'll wonder why I am not on any more... freaking janky system.
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can I have the empowered reality with the wealth and the tantric babes etc...?
and can I have it backdated...?
so a time-machine would be nice too to get me started in the right direction...
I mean in terms of reality arranging... :) "
LMAO... I would not trust you with a Time Machine Orpheus... But hey go get yourself a Super Luminal Saucer, using ZP powered EMF propulsion. They are ALL time machines too... Siriusly
No... Living and Thinking the way you want to live is what changes this.
Everything is Code. Everything Is Data. Including you.
You make your Own Reality... Asking for a Time Machine will not get you one.. Manifesting one will..
BIG DIFFERENCE.
Let me Explain.
Asking is just wishful thinking. And be glad you don't get every wish you have asked for, Siriusly.
Manifesting is devoting energy, time and effort to your Goal. Though I admit wishing will occasionally work by itself, it has to be something that goes with that natural flow of the Universe. I doubt your Possession of a Time Machine, Other than your Own Body, goes with the natural flow of the Universe.
In other words you can Wish to win the Lottery everyday, but you can not win until you actually Play... Get it.
You already have the power to change your life. You are the only one with that power. You are also the only one that can actually change the way you feel. You can Chose to be happy no matter what, even if your being tortured. That is what makes you conscious, self-aware. Otherwise you are just a Carnal Android, simply reacting to outside stimuli.
So stop whining and change your life already... IF that is what you actually want.
LMAO
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Re: Truth?
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:05 AMum...
and just maybe...
asking is not wishful thinking...
asking is asking...
the formula - "ask and you shall receive" is not true...
although it might work in certain circumstances there are a lot of conditions involved...
buying a lottery ticket does not mean that you will win the lottery...
let me explain...
everything is evil worms...
manifesting is the demiurge giving form to the evil worms...
if you could evolve beyond new age jargon would there be any self awareness... ;)
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Re: Truth?
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:19 AMFinally orpheus, the Five Divine Forms of Plato Bracelet is ready for you, specially designed so that you can achieve a life of unparalleled perfection and happiness.
After working on your forecast for over 55 months now, I know how much you dream of change, and I also know that you deserve to have enough wealth and happiness to last a lifetime. Nothing would bring me more joy than to help you achieve this, and now I can, through an exquisite piece of Jewelry that embodies the incredible wisdom of a man who lived thousands of years ago: Plato, one of our world’s greatest philosophers.
This incredible man discovered a fundamental truth about our existence, and from this truth he developed theories that brought him, and his followers incredible wealth and happiness.
But first, orpheus, let me describe how this amazing Bracelet came into existence because then you will see why the Five Divine Forms of Plato are so vital for your life.
The Ancient Greeks were an extraordinary people,
and Plato was no exception.
You can imagine my joy when the opportunity came to visit Greece. It’s an amazing country orpheus, and if only you could have been with me strolling through the bustling market place, surrounded by staggering beauty and perfection. I stopped often to marvel at the elaborate Corinthian temples gleaming amid the Acropolis in the brilliant Athenian sun. Every moment was a rich and vibrant experience.
All the time, orpheus, I pondered Plato’s theories trying to work out how they can bring us the kind of amazing life that he, and so many others today, are lucky enough to have.
Plato believed that the outside world of light and truth was made up of Five Divine Forms, and that these Forms represented the four elements, earth, air, fire and water, the fifth Form being the spirit. He believed that if we could only tap into the perfection of these forms, then we could attract for ourselves a life of immense fortune and happiness.
It wasn’t until I visited the Greek Island of Ikaria, orpheus, that I had a revelation, and suddenly everything I’d ever read of Plato’s made sense.
Once we see the light, it is impossible to return to the darkness.
Plato said that if you spent your whole life in a cave, you’d naturally believe this cave to be ‘real life,’ for how would you know that there exists another world outside filled with sunlight and beauty, governed by the elements?
I sat contemplating this theory in the shade of a grotto, a soft breeze coming off the mountains above, and my eyes rested on the deep blue of the Aegean Sea, and it was then, orpheus, that I too grasped what he’d understood thousands of years ago.
In a flash, I saw the infinite possibilities of our existence, and with this revelation came an immense sense of wonder that a world of beauty and perfection is within our reach!
A shift in perception is all it takes
to attract a rich and happy life...
We spend a lot of time imagining another life for ourselves, but what happens when we stop imagining and make such a life a reality? There’s no reason why it shouldn’t be you living in that amazing luxurious house, or driving a brand new car, or just enjoying an endless supply of wealth at your fingertips. The truth is that the people who have all these things expect them...and now, orpheus, I’m giving you the tools to do the same!
Step into the dazzling light and accumulate the wealth of life.
These Five Divine Forms contain the key to the universe
The forces contained in the Five Divine Forms of Plato, attract the vibrational energy that is the very pulse of the universe. It is the energy of perfection and balance.
Plato believed that everything other than these perfect forms are an imitation. And sometimes, orpheus, our life becomes an imitation too, as we try to lead the life that others want us to have instead of following our own path.
Now is the time for change
Tell yourself that I now want the life I desire. Whether it’s emotional or spiritual happiness, good health, or great financial fortune, you have as much right as anyone else to expect them, and by accepting this as a truth, it shall be achieved.
Life is energy, it’s what makes us alive, enables flowers to bloom, sunlight to shine. And as I gazed into the deep blue of the Aegean Sea, I thought of all the energy and life thriving beneath the calm blue of its surface, just like the unseen forces of the elements, invisible, yet making themselves felt in a sudden burst of joy, or the gentle sway of a tree in the wind.
orpheus, now you can tap into the energy of
the elements to experience their Divine forces...
Through this incredible Bracelet, orpheus, Plato’s teachings and wisdom will allow your true destiny to unravel. And orpheus, in order to let the elemental forces of the universe flow into the bracelet, the Forms have been perfectly represented, and aligned with each Divine Form is its elemental color...
The Tetrahedron
represents the element of Fire, which governs passion, will, and the powers of transformation. This Form will be of great benefit in competition, power and relationships. The element of fire will help bring about change, driving forward your courage and independence.
Elemental Color...Red is the color of fire and blood. It is the intensifier of passion, desire and love.
The Dodecahedron
represents the Spirit. It is the energy of our life force and thus the soul. This is the ultimate energy source that brings about life and light. It has the power to bring you self-knowledge, understanding and spiritual enlightenment.
The force of the Dodecahedron will bring all the elements in harmony enabling you to reach a higher wisdom bringing both peace and joy.
Elemental Color...Violet is the color of the harmony of the universe. It brings about a profound, meditative state of being, from which everything becomes possible.
The Octahedron
represents the element of air, affecting all areas of communication, ideas, and knowledge. Air is ultimately movement, and its liberating force brings personal freedom to areas of learning, creativity and travel. Constantly in flux, the expansive movements of the element Air, will bring you heightened clarity of mind, enabling you make the right decisions, plus tackle unforeseen obstacles.
Elemental Color...Yellow is the color of expansion and movement. It is associated with joy, happiness, intellect and freedom.
The Icosahedron
represents the element of Water, which guides intuition, love, and your emotions. Water is the basis of all life, aiding you in areas of your home and family. It will intensify your empathetic and compassionate nature. The powers of this element will come gradually but with tremendous force, rather like the soft lapping of waves that rise to high tide.
Elemental Color...Blue is the color of the cosmos, bringing about the circulation of energy. It is the unending expansiveness in the sky above to the blue depth of the oceans, and this energy will release an infinite source of wealth.
The Cube
Is the Divine form of the earth, orpheus. And it offers you a firm foundation on which to build a limitless supply of wealth, as well as physical well-being.
The Cube’s energy will sharpen your endurance, concentration, and self-confidence, the very tools necessary for a glorious new life.
Elemental Color...Green symbolizes growth and fertility. It enables us to live in harmony and balance with the Cycles of life.
‘Everything we seek to learn we already know...’
Plato believed, that locked within us is a prior knowledge of our destiny, and all we have to do is rediscover it.
It is like the work of a sculptor that brings to life an object of beauty from a block of marble. Now it’s time orpheus, to unleash your own true destiny and bring forth the beauty and perfection of your new life.
And orpheus, the Divine Forms that exist in the universe are naturally part of us too, and the Bracelet is the tool to bring forth your true destiny.
You will walk around with such an aura of pure flowing joy and inner calm, affecting everyone you meet and everything you touch. The journey to fulfillment will be effortless because of the Bracelet’s special powers. And it will enable you to have all you’ve ever wanted plus more, because good fortune always opens the door to new unimaginable experiences.
Prepare yourself for the awakening of your true destiny. The Five Divine Forms of Plato Bracelet will keep you in constant harmony with the vibrational forces of the elements, as well as being a constant reminder of beauty and perfection.
To enhance the powers of the Five Divine Forms of Plato Bracelet
I have a very special gift for you and it is free!
The first very special gift I want you to have orpheus, is The Forever Talisman, a magical tool for allowing abundant fortune into your life. The Forever Talisman is the perfect compliment to the Bracelet, as it taps into the secret power source contained in the sacred geometry of the universe. It combines the power of the circle, and the triangle in a truly transcendent ornament and tool. And I will send you a black Organza Pouch for safekeeping.
My second free gift is a black velvet case in which to keep and protect your Bracelet.
And Finally I’d like to give, as my 3rd Free gift, the Five Divine Forms of Plato Booklet. This really will come in handy for you to understand the essentials of this Bracelet. It will explain in more detail about the life of Plato and his theories, which have been the basis for all the greatest minds since. It also includes an initiation ceremony to bond and activate the powers of your Bracelet.
But the best news, orpheus, which I’m saving for last, is that this wonderful bracelet is easily affordable at only $29.95 because it is the key to finally achieve a life of richness and perfection, I will make this offer completely risk free.
You have my Unconditional 100% Satisfaction Guarantee...
Keep and cherish your Five Divine Forms of Plato Bracelet for 60 days, but if for some inconceivable reason your Bracelet doesn’t live up to its inspiring brilliance just return it to me, and I will make sure you get a complete refund...immediately!
And there is no need to explain why!
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:28 AMYou know what, Orpheus? I make just such a "talisman" though I guarantee nothing. Mine is in the form of a necklace which has strung on it some alchemical silver beads that I manufacture via the ormic chemistry. I can send you one for a week's trial. If at the end of the week you don't want to keep it then send it back. If you want to keep it, send me $40.00. This is not a joke. I am serious. You game? -
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Re: Truth?
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:40 AMnah probably not just yet...
I'm in a bit of a metaphysical detox phase due to the absence of whacky backy for 5 years...
a few years back when I got "zapped" by the curse of ruritania I would of bought into anything so long as it didn't involve money as I didn't have any left...
in artsy terms for any posthumous bios I'd call it a desperate phase of deep exploration of the jungian delirium and post modern detritus of the popular superstitious psychonautic matrix of the internet etc...
I totally accept freebie stuff like reiki healing and attempts at love/money charms and protection/exorcism from the ambient demonics etc...
but until I get saved I can't save anybody else...
financially or spiritually etc...
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 2:51 PMwell everything costs one way or another...
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 6:07 PMTherapeautic might not quite be the right word. Decorative is very secondary. -
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 11:16 PMwell I guess decorative could be considered an aesthetic therapy...
or we could just speak in terms of good magic and bad magic...
is the necklace good magic that can chase away bad magic...?
is it capable of attracting money and tantric babes and making friends and influencing people...?
is it capapble of warding off the evil vibes of malevolent global provincialism etc...?
will it have the same effect as holy water and crucifixes and sunlight and a stake through the heart and a shotgun to the head of the hordes of undead...
if so...
then maybe I'd like to invest in the factory and place an opening order of ten thousand so as I can make a full body suit... :) -
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:49 AMIt could be an ugly lump of clay that you made on the end of a thong(not the underwear kind)... and hope more power than any device or gimmick or whatever... You make your reality... You give these things power. We are the co-creators in this creation... Don't you get it.. YOU ARE GOD.
And so is every other sentient being... And even non-sentient matter is still God... (though I believe that the Universe itself is self-aware, and that all matter is made of consciousness... Sound new age? Read up more on Quantum Physics... LOL)
Anyway... The point is that the power comes from with-in... and back to the fact your the only one that can save you or change you or help you.
So like I said before.
Quit Whining and Change your Life Already...
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 12:14 PMum...
so your Ancient Wisdom, and Current Science...
is what allows you to create a reality with a magical talisman made of a thong and a bit of clay so you can whine about manifesting the whiteman stealing land and not allowing you to be natural and spiritual even in your own universe of which you are entirely masterfully quantumly the absolute creator...?
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 11:57 AMYou fucking funny as shit orpheus...
Your the only one Bitching about your universe.
LMAO
I am extremely happy with my reality. Thank you.
I don't bitch about the White Man... I am telling you what they did. LOL
Big Difference.
But Yes, My Ancient Wisdom and Current Science do allow me to make a talisman out of clay that has seemingly ( to your primitive mind) magical properties... Now, if you began to study Quantum Physics, Unified Field Theory, Dimensional Theory, and Few other things in the Current Scientific Field and combined it with some ancient wisdom... you too would figure it out and not have to make an ass of your self by being willfully ignorant to the point of absurdity.
Any way gave me a laugh... And you prove my point. You do not deserve a time machine... lol
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:44 AM"but until I get saved I can't save anybody else..."
No one can SAVE you. Only Yourself.
"financially or spiritually etc...
it's hard to come up with "alternative" economies...
hide"
No it is not. It is the natural way that mankind would still be doing if it had not been for intervention and greed. Or for example... If the White Man never came an claimed land that belonged to everyone. If people are left alone to become native again, they go back to these Spiritual and Natural Ways. End of Story.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:41 AMSame here man...I will Sell you one of my Magical Talismans. They are Semi-precious/precious stones. Gorgeous and worth every penny weather you understand how energy or the stones work. I give no money back anything... As I don't Guarantee anything, other than it is worth it as just an ornamental piece. But I will assure you they work. Even explain why if you want. This prolly sounds new age... wrong... Talismans are AGE OLD...
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:36 AMUmm... What is this crap Orpheus... Are you spending Money on Crap from you E-Mail?
Dude... You don't need to buy anything to be happy... In fact the less you own, the happier you will be...
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Re: Truth?
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:34 AM"the formula - "ask and you shall receive" is not true..."
Actually, It Is.
"although it might work in certain circumstances there are a lot of conditions involved... "
LOL yeah that is how the Universe Works... LMAO
"buying a lottery ticket does not mean that you will win the lottery... "
Nope sure doesn't. And I never said it did... LMAO
"let me explain...
everything is evil worms...
manifesting is the demiurge giving form to the evil worms..."
Dude, you lost me...
"if you could evolve beyond new age jargon would there be any self awareness... ;) "
I don't Do New Age... I have evolved past that... LOL, And I am Self Aware... SO.. Yeah...
BTW... My Jargon isn't New Age, it is from Ancient Wisdom, and Current Science.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:51 AMThe silver I make puts out a vibrational field that some have likened to moldavite on steriods. -
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:52 AMSteroids although "steriods" has a nice ring to it.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 12:23 PMwell I'm not really familiar with the vibrational field of moldavite on steroids...
would it be similar to the vibrational field of a rich kid drug dealer with influential parents a luxury pad and sports cars and added pheremones and a large nob...?
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 10:05 PM"I don't Do New Age... I have evolved past that... LOL, And I am Self Aware... SO.. Yeah...
BTW... My Jargon isn't New Age, it is from Ancient Wisdom, and Current Science."
I beg to disagree. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:15 PMWhy the tin cup there Groucho, ....you bet your life?
Hoopeo, Orpheo, channeling the Marx Brothers, playing dodgie, and flailing the same-old-shtick astride a carney-ride nag.
vaudeville isn't dead, and any resemblance to whole Truth in the routines presented by these boys, is strictly co-incidental.
new Anything ..... (?) dare to explore a Venturesome thought
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 1:02 AMum...
ok then...
everything a new ager says is totally true and all the space ships and spirit guides are proof that they will be the ones elected to the organic cabbage patch in the sky...
so what's next...?
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:47 AMWe (if we were a singular thing 'we' would) rename, polynomenclate (there Never was a singular name, not a monosource, contrary to the mono-portrayals) the concept of Life-Affirming Progressive Spectral Evolution, a vast and Diverse phenomenon (way-overdue, long-delayed, long-needed) often clumbsily, arbitrarily referred to as the 'New Age', to something the cult of Withering Depths O' Cynicism won't grossly misconstrue and repackage as more of their own brand of Drivelry-as-Taken-over-by-commercial Interests.
When the cult of the Withering Depths of Cynicism tries to Reframe what it Really Doesn't Understand (or seem to want to Begin to Understand) in terms of the Worst of its OWN Horrors..... the Insaneness of that Does inspire Nausea, truthfully.....
keep feeding upon (actually prefer you not) the higher aspirations (heard of higher >aka heart-mind< chakra energetic evolution, or is that just a Hateful idea?) of Anyone & Anything there zombie wranglers ..... in vigilant defense of your favorite hole-in-the-mud life tableau .
Yes the Sciences of Health related to Heart-Mind awareness, .......as now referred to as a 'something-beyond the established paradigm', .......will now be assaulted as the equivalent of the rise o' the fourth reich, no doubt.....
I keep getting this cynical vibe in response to Everything that even Indicates "Something Beyond What We Are Having to Live With as "trewth"" ............................ I mean, really is That the Best you Got ? !
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:18 AMif you are persistently making false claims embedded in flowery tantrums what do you expect...?
what is going to be acheived by calling a charlatan by another name...?
but if one were to suspend disbelief...
what does this brave new age world have to offer...?
what have the new agers got to offer that the ongoing mainstreams of ignorant dishonest deluded evil corrupt abusive nepotistic egotistical grasping mass murdering racist alcoholic battery farming nature destroying carnivore apes might benefit from...?
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 11:09 AMIF ...Indeed
You're full of questions because you've not motivated to do more than question.
You want to occupy the space wherein sharing Could occur, and Instead PreEmpt it with an unloading of your cultivated negativities-towards--any.
Impuning that I'm making "false claims" with the vaguest-of-ease, Is a monstrously False Claim. Charlatanizing a doctrine of 'Evil Worms' achieves What?, even if we call it Andy Kaufmanesque pretense-for pseudo-entertainment.
You Get , you bring about, whether miraculously or mundanely, what you Envision, what you hold in your consciousness As Truth. It's the Creative principle. If you celebrate cynical crap, the art of your Life Becomes it. It's ecology 101. The garbage-consequences of Other's poorly-envisioned realities may storm & swarm about us, yet I choose Not to Accept it as The Way Things Have to be ..... how Dare I Envision Bliss? (in a world of horrors) , and even make the means to it a Practical Science !
Balls
Brains
Heart-Mind
Use-em' or Lose-em'
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 11:19 AMso you're saying (for example) an iraqi baby creates it's own reality of having a bomb dropped on it's head by using "the secret"...
this is your credos...?
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 1:14 PMthe innocent, powerless, ignorant, helpless Have No direct control over their Karmas, to speak of, as you indicate,.... and are Subject To the poor karmic creations of Others who Willfully Dump upon them.(for example). Just because there's a Superficial resemblance between my Assertion that a Mature, self-Aware person is Empowered to Create their Destiny & Spiritual Ecology (barring idiotic climate-creations of war, economic deprivations, etc.) .... I'm not one to go whole hog along with the likes of the Secret to an Obnoxious denial of Mitigating Circumstances, Nor have I asserted So. It does pay to not abbreviate & stereotype the concepts-ideas of someone who provides Explicit minutia of detail.
You have a habit of Always taking things into ridiculous extremes, even if such extremes are clearly a great departure from what is being presented. Is this Pee-Wee's Playhouse? Can Subverting important discussions without good purpose be Counter-productive to the high ideals you would surely give support to, yet which merely ' Lamenting the Absence of' in the world at large is an insufficient sentiment towards envisioning-supporting-creating alleviative solutions for?.
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 1:38 PMwell I guess in a quantum universe...
a law is applicable except when it's applied whereby the quantum law of exceptions proving the rule will kick in...
so in fact to understand the new age all you have to do is agree with all the assertions however unlikely they may seem and never ever ever try to put them to the test because then the imp of the perverse will kick in and make it seem like everybody is making it up as they go along by falsifying all test results etc...
so basically this amazing system of knowledge is based on your say so and mood swings...
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 2:34 PMI could tell you Remarkable stories of extraordinary experiences i've had, Verifying the Nature of Spirit & Consciousness, but me telling you anything (of a deep personal nature) in a forum which Denigrates Individuality and personal knowledge (is not a happy experience, has not been So for me) ...... always trying to Reduce it to meaningless subjectivity vs solid (dead, inert) Evidences..... which might be a somewhat valid discipline were it Not for the Fact that solid Evidences of the Extraordinary, the semi-miraculous, the meta-physical are commonly Brought here and Routinely Dismissed and otherwise IGNOREd Simply Because they are Pre-Judged to Be So.... Without Benefit of Real Scrutiny.
basically
Interesting, isn't it
that you show how you (and a few others) Really Don't Get where I'm At, yet will assert & reassert that you do (with wildly uncentered tossings-in-the-general direction of.... fishing for the slightest opportunity to sink the fangs & lock the jaw & make blood sport....{ .....this, a digression to match the vibe sent my way, as t'would be most rude not to reflect back what is sent towards one}) -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 3:31 PMboring repetitious use of borrowed links that are supposedly relevant ... and in an intended derogatory tone ... but Anything as a substitute for actual engaged-interactive discussion of issues ... because we're all here strictly to be entertained.... hence the standing call for cheap tramps
(sorry, no link here, why bother when the climate is pre-sold, predetermined, predictable at best, ... actually just More of what you Already get in real life, so there's no risk of having to do more than bitch at life in general, and then I turn a phrase into sillyness and we all have a good laugh) -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 8:11 PMthere is an invitation for you to present some of your beliefs but you are apparently unable to do so...
but maybe that is the nature of religion...
thus far I have managed to ascertain that people create their own realities except where and to the extent that their realities are imposed and create them...
which is probably kinda truish...
and within that scenario anybody who disbelieves anything that you may feel inclined to believe is commiting an act of deliberate ignorance and unforgiveable sacrilege...
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 8:31 PMI don't Deal in Beliefs, and Abhor anything resembling religion, as I've Repeatedly stated , but you behave as if you are an absolute burke, (and a wormy one at that) so we go around and around in the expectation that your indications of intelligence are more than an illusion.
I base my reality upon my reality ......... DIRECTLY from EXPERience. Do you Know what Experience IS? Do craftsmen/artisans Create original masterpieces based upon some second-hand beliefs? Not Primarily, they Employ hard-won Experience..... alchemical work. If you don't Respect Experience, then you don't even Understand What Cultivated Experience IS, so you are living out of Belief Systems........ an ignorant, oafish approach to life for an adult to dwell in.... but That's Your Business unless you try and make it My Business..... then you get a dose of truth as I know it, as per your "request". -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 8:46 PMexperience is just the shit before you die that goes to making death inevitable...
isn't it...?
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 8:52 PMIf you had the necessary experience, you wouldn't be asking such questions. -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:01 PMI have my experience which will lead to my death...
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:30 PMso anyway...
seems like you're saying that your religion is a science...
and even though you can't actually say what it is..
it is scientific because you experienced it...
even if you can't actually express it...
and that should be enough...
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:41 PMI can express it , and have endeavored to provide basic outlines thereof here (and elsewhere) with some frequency. Doubt is the province of those who trade in certificates of proofery, deal in beliefs, and so are unfamiliar with the hallmarks of experience...... or the integrities inherent within the scope of discernible truth. -
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:08 AMAre the two of of you falling....
...for....
each...other?
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:24 PMwhat orpheus honestly wants to know about hyperdimensional physics?
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:37 PMTo put it simply.... Dimensions are Vibrational Frequencies, Meaning that the physical matter in each Dimension Vibrates at a different frequency. The different Dimensions (Vibrational Frequencies) can exist in the same space/time and not overlap, similar to Radio or Analog TV (RIP) waves, which you can have many hundreds of thousands of Channels without cross-interference occurring.
Study String Theory,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
Super String Theory,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supe...ing_theory
and Unified Field Theory
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unif...eld_theory
While your at it study some general Quantum Mechanics
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics
and some QFT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quan...eld_theory
for extra credit, study some Particle Physics
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics
Then get back to me.
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:21 PMHonestly Hoopes... I don't care if I am labeled New Age... That Wiki Def. sounds Great!!!
I hope everyone else believes that is what "new age" means, 'cause, I don't think they do... LOL
Hence, I don't use it..
I can also be Defined by Ancient Wisdom as in:
The Ancient Wisdom, by Annie Besant.
In this book, Besant introduces and explains the Physical plane, Astral plane, Mental plane and other planes of existence.
George Farthing has criticized the book, because Besant has introduced new terms like "Etheric body" into the theosophical literature, which were not used by Blavatsky or the theosophical Mahatmas.
This book is from the 1880 as is a lot of other Theosophical Books...
Of Which I am a Fan... Isis Unveiled, The Secret Doctrine, Treatise on Cosmic Fire...
Oh, I forgot your not a Scholar Hoopes... You don't Study... Just Assume.. You really need to start to practice Critical Thinking.
Not to mention the fact that Ancient Wisdom is used in New Age Philosophy does not mean that all Ancient Wisdom is New Age Philosophy... Damn hoopes you prolly scored horribly on you SATs
Some New Age Philosophy is Ancient Wisdom.
Not all Ancient Wisdom is New Age Philosophy.
Duh...
Anyway... The Current Science part you would know too... If you went to lectures or studied in the high end tech field... which I will go ahead and Assume you don't. You obviously know less than me about chemistry, quantum physics, astrophysics, astronomy, electrical engineering or prolly any other field... Including Cultural Anthropology... Based on our talks about the Mayans. Anyway, I just laugh because I use WiFi... Let me explain. Telsa, had extremely similar ideas as me, came up against the same kind of resistance. He was told he was a nut job when he talked about transmitting data without wires or even powering devices with out wires... well here we are and that is now a reality.
Now for the Ancient Wisdom....
If we had not listened to the Ancient Wisdom of the Shamans we would not have ANY pharmaceuticals... In fact 99% of all modern drugs are derived from natural sources. Originally... Before they slightly altered them chemically so that they could patent and naturally occurring substance and thus make money. Not to mention all kinds of other things that are being taken for granted.
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:33 PMThe "new age" moniker is like the "conspiracy nut" moniker. The terms presume a general complexion of thought that is not necessarily there and are earmarks of the endeavor to discredit by postulating a groupthink amongst one's "opponents." I will admit to indulging in it at moments of weakness. It's awfully hard for me not to call Rush Limbaugh a "hillbilly heroin hero" for instance though it's a callous and dehumanizing thing to say. -
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:41 PMExactly Solari.
Which is why I don't like Labels...
Reality is what you make it... And So is Symbolism.
But Siriusly... I liked that Wiki Def of "New Age"
I now Declare myself "New Age Visionary".
(I really don't care what others think of me if ya'll have not noticed(that obviously does not mean that I do not defend myself or comment back))
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:41 PMThats okay... RUsh Limbaugh is not a Human.
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 2:41 PM"Oh, I forgot your not a Scholar Hoopes... You don't Study... Just Assume.. You really need to start to practice Critical Thinking."
As if you knew...
Here's one for you: What do Annie Besant and Michael Tsarion have in common? -
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 2:51 PMThey both believed in the existence of Atlantis. Therefore, we all believe in the existence of Atlantis. Thanks, Hoopes. I didn't know what I really believed. -
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 3:04 PMGood guess, but that's not what I had in mind. -
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 3:14 PMSo go on and tell us what we really think - as New Agers. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 11:19 AMOh I love the The Definition... Here let us Post what it means to be new Age..
"The New Age (also known as the New Age Movement, New Age spirituality, and Cosmic Humanism) is a decentralized Western social and spiritual movement that seeks "Universal Truth" and the attainment of the highest individual human potential. It combines aspects of cosmology, astrology, esotericism, alternative medicine, music, collectivism, sustainability, and nature. New Age spirituality is characterized by an individual approach to spiritual practices and philosophies, while rejecting religious doctrine and dogma.
The New Age Movement includes elements of older spiritual and religious traditions ranging from atheism and monotheism through classical pantheism, naturalistic pantheism, and panentheism to polytheism combined with science and Gaia philosophy: particularly archaeoastronomy, astronomy, ecology, environmentalism, the Gaia hypothesis, psychology, and physics. New Age practices and philosophies sometimes draw inspiration from major world religions: Buddhism, Chinese folk religion, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism; with particularly strong influences from East Asian religions, Gnosticism, Neopaganism, New Thought, Spiritualism, Theosophy, Universalism, and Western esotericism.[1] Additional phrases which may refer to the New Age Movement include All is One[2] and Mind-Body-Spirit.[3]
The modern New Age Movement emerged as a distinct lifestyle from the late 1960s through the early 1970s, although elements can be traced back to the 19th and early 20th centuries. It gained momentum in the 1980s and strengthened with the Harmonic Convergence event in 1987. Diverse individuals from around the world practice New Age spirituality."
and this is how old the Term is...
"Origins
See also: List of Neopagan movements, List of new religious movements, and List of religions and spiritual traditions
The term New Age was used as early as 1809 by William Blake who described a belief in a spiritual and artistic "New Age" in his preface to Milton: a Poem; it was a concept originally formed by another Christian mystic Emanuel Swedenborg in the 18th century.[4]
The Scottish rite of freemasonry's journal in the 1800s was titled "The New Age".
Some of the New Age Movement's constituent elements appeared initially in 19th century metaphysical movements: Spiritualism, Theosophy, and New Thought; also, alternative medicine movements chiropractic and naturopathy.[2][3] These movements in turn have roots in Transcendentalism, Mesmerism, Swedenborgianism, and various earlier Western esoteric or occult traditions, such as the hermetic arts of astrology, magic, alchemy, and Kabbalah. The term New Age was used in this context in Madame Blavatsky's book The Secret Doctrine, published in 1888.[5]
A weekly journal of Christian liberalism and socialism titled The New Age was published as early as 1894;[6] it was sold to a group of socialist writers headed by Alfred Richard Orage and Holbrook Jackson in 1907. Other historical personalities were involved: H. G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw, and William Butler Yeats; the magazine became a forum for politics, literature, and the arts.[7][8] Between 1908 and 1914, it was instrumental in pioneering the British avant-garde from vorticism to imagism. After 1914, publisher Orage met P. D. Ouspensky, a follower of G. I. Gurdjieff, and began correspondence with Harry Houdini, becoming less interested in literature and art, with an increased focus on mysticism and other spiritual topics; the magazine was sold in 1921. According to Brown University, The New Age "... helped to shape modernism in literature and the arts from 1907 to 1922."[9]"
Pretty darn Old for being "New Age"
So go right Ahead and call me New Age... I have some very illustrious and well celebrated company...
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 11:28 AM"Here's one for you: What do Annie Besant and Michael Tsarion have in common? "
Well.. For one, they are both Irish... LOL
They are both Reformers, Socialists, Secularists, Theosophists, and Both well studied in Free-Masonry... Want me to go on?
And Yes I knew... Siriusly you still have no Idea who or what I am...
Here let me give you a Riddle.
I Am.
Genes of Isis...
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 2:51 PMso to solve et coagula the riddle...
you are...
made of evil worms...
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:55 AM"The Female body was called the Tree of Life and like a tree the female produced fruit. Her fruits are the circular ovum. Conception was fascinating to the Egyptians, not because they were sex mad, but because they understood that the meeting of the male force and the female force allows the miracle of incarnate life to occur, it is the way a soul enters physical creation. We take this for granted and never see the mystery of it. But the ancients considered this of paramount importance and saw the magic in it. And since the female is the host and incubator of that soul, the living alembic of this supreme Alchemical act, she was revered and deified. One of the other names for the Goddess was Nuith or Nut. She was also a mother goddess and identified with the Tree of Life. This is why today we still refer to the fruits of any tree as the "nuts" meaning of the goddess Nut. In ancient papyrus art we see a tree and as part of the tree we often see a goddess, such as Nut, Isis, or Hathor. We are shown that the tree and goddess are one being. In the Middle Ages we see tapestries where the Madonna seated in front of the Tree of Life. Now the story of the Tree of Life and all its connotations was called, in Egypt, the Book of Genesis or Genisis. Isis was the supreme mother goddess of Egypt, after acceptance of the Osirian mythos. Genesis means 'genes of Isis,' or even 'generation (progeny), of Isis.' This referred to the physical female and of the cosmic female, the Universe itself. The Egyptians saw themselves as the offspring of one cosmic mother and her name was Isis. Isis is the later Eve and Mary, the virgin queens. The Book of Genesis is therefore a book of genes, relating to the human DNA (the real Tree of Life)."
http//www.taroscopes.com/astro-theo...ogy2.html#4
Playing pretty fast and loose with the "truth," I'd say.
Both Besant and Tsarion were/are fervently anti-English Irish nationalists. Besant was born in London, but her parents were Irish. Tsarion was born in Belfast. You'd do well to review how ideology conditions perception and produces propaganda. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 6:21 AMI think that is very interesting material regardless of source. I do not think the ancients thought of the female body as THE tree of life, but as a very nice representative (don't you think) of that repeating form. These ideas live in our words and in our unconscious and return again and again, like fruit on the tree that it and we are members of. .................i'm big on trees. Check my page on dendro-power for totally OT diversion.
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:15 AMThanks, wil! I checked out some of the rest of your site, too, your writings, etc., some fine things there... -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:36 AM"You'd do well to review how ideology conditions perception and produces propaganda."
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 9:18 AMHmm. Why just pick on Hoopes? Maybe everyone here should be asked 'to describe how his ideaologies have conditioned his perceptions and produced his particular propaganda' (or is your request a kind of subtle demand or challenge?).... -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 9:33 AMBecause Hoopes pretends to be on a higher perch. Therefore he has to go first. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:07 AMHmm. To me it's leslie who not only pretends but insists that he's on the higher perch. Hoopes, IMO, is mainly a worthy skeptic. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 12:14 PMPREtend? HaHeeHo. I come to the table here with full-frontal Experiences of the First Order. The fact that I'm (by all appearances provided) in a Position of Broader Perspectives due to the sheer volume and complexities of My Personal Experiences, and adjoining-consequential Awarenesses, does not automatically (as Reflexively is done Here) mean I have "perched" myself in a wholly presumptuous manner..... whereas Hoopes, and some others, are Working Mostly from a System that insists upon Presumptuousness that strays Far into the Absurd-PSEUDO-logicality JIG of Establishment-WhiZdumb.
Inflexible, systematic, reflexive (pathological, in fact) Skepticism as an intended path to truth is WOrthY of the Hoakum's Razor and the Frizzbee Fling.... Especially IN Light of it's PROven Lack of Capacity to overCome ITself in the face of anything Extraordinary....... and reality is Crammed with Extraordinariness (a mere perceptive glance beyond the hypno-hold of the superficial cultural facades).
Hmm (ceremoniously strokes goateed wyzeguize streeticon of the postensual fuzz-vendor in the market stall next to the phishbait anti-LIVE [evil-ITna] worm vendor. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 12:30 PMoh wow...
that's amazing...
if you just swap a word here and there then everything kinda starts making sense...
like if you replace "extraordinary" with "subnormal"...
I mean those words kinda could be seen as meaning the same...
and then like some kinda rosetta stone the gibberish can seem a bit clearer...
and I guess if you have the time to go through every word like that and juggle stuff around...
eventually there will be some possibility of discerning a coherent message from the being at the top of the pyramid...
the transmission of a message of utter futility...
from the evil worms... hahaha
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:14 PMso let us unmask the leslian beast... hahaha
the anagram = sillee
in french
le = the
le slie = the slie + the lies
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:16 PMand is there concealed also a confession of a drug dealer...?
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:59 PM{{{{{the wormy Bait-master seems to be Phishing for energy
trying to share subanagrams of your "suphor -e"-ngs ?
poor bambino
again, you are (in terms of what we are given to witness) a self-defined and complete wriggleBurke (Your Choice, your presentation)
if you're Not Happy with That, trying to get us to Join With your misery is pretty creepy..........
give us a ring if you actually come up with anything to share that demonstrates more than a demonic inclination.)}}}}}}
.......is what I would post if I thought it would help resolve this ridiculous annoyance in which orpheus contributes Nothing of Value or Purpose, and does so with great frequency.
apparently, Southern France is something of a Vortex of Demonic Hellish Grotesqueness....... TREMENDOUS human Suffering took place there in the first & second World Wars........ I suggest that instead of Mining the poisons of that metaphysical Swamp, you MOVE.
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:14 PMI also am aware that during the dark ages there were religious terrors in abundance there in Southern France, including Inquisition-like monstrous goings-on. Orpheus's Karmic Fixations indicate he is in that area to work out some grim stuff..... which is No laughing matter, nor is it FIT for Us here to have to mess with Constantly..... not Unless you are willing to change, which you've not seem to have been, for the Extensive amount of time I've tried to Interact with you. I've tried to be friendly and go along with your jokes, but you always come back with some very Unfunny Behaviors. You Know that. This is not a happy symbiosis. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:24 PMfrance is deep in evil...
same as everywhere else probably...
what else is there...?
seems like my funny-haha doesn't appeal to your funny-peculiar... hahaha
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:45 PMif you are Unaware of anything But evil....... then you Functionally Are Evil .... Because That is your Be-lief, what you Be Live.
YOU
are Part of the reason why the world is a miserable mess.
Perhaps we might give you the benefit of a doubt and say you were misguided up until now.
But That, is as Far as "the benefit-of-a-doubt" goes.
Notice is given.......... your belief system is rotten-to-the-core, and You have to Overcome ALL THAT, because nobody else can do it for you.
nervous, cynical humor (generally lacking depth and designed to allay boredom) has its limits, and there are much more evolved forms of humor that carry a compassionate and useful Vibe (for instance, actually making fun of this obsession with evil as a necessary way-of-existence). If the humor doesn't at least point in the general direction of a way to overcome the reasons for what is being "made fun of"....... then it's just useless laughing at the expense of others.... on par with "look at the retard & let's throw dirt in his face" haha -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 3:09 PMwell...
it's all my fault...
because I don't believe the lies...
yeah right...
that makes sense...
it's just gotta be the truth...
if the all knowing multidimensional delusional says so... hahaha
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:51 PMyou Really have no meaningful claim on "the Truth" as your Constantly-reasserted version of 'truth' is OBnoxious, Unreal, unshared, SIMPLIStic, Entirely-your-own-trip, mono-dimensional, shallow, meaningless, Irrelevant, ridiculous, pretentious, void-of-creative-health, and entirely FAke.
...and I mean that with all sincerity and best wishes that you GET-Over-IT...... It begins to reflect bad on me that I indulge (play an idiot's game) in trying to Meet you at the INSANE level you Demand to communicate upon......
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 6:07 PMIf it helps that I provide you some Positive feedback, in the Spirit of Generosity,..... Yes.... one Could find a trace of what Could be interpreted as "evil-ish-ness" in most anything if you squint at it and Suppose its purpose to be as Such-as-that (not oozing pleasurable attributes that shower you with effortless satisfaction... therefore 'evil'), and choose to see it as Unsympathetic to your desire to be surrounded by easy whores who present you with chalices full of gems and gold coins, and that sort of thing.........
..............meanwhile the physical body-organism(s) that we possess is/are incredible-miraculous-awesome.... Despite its-the capacity for evility (certainly you can set yourself up for a lot of pain if you don't take care of your health) when so directed and when Badly Managed ..... but if I wanted to behave as a spiritual slob, I too might be given to constant Be-atching about how horrible 'everything' "Is" and therefore how EEviLL it AAALLL IZZ (and act AS-IF that were the end-of-the-debate). -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:52 PMleslie...
unless I start a political career for the mad hippy raving loony party...
I don't really see why I would want/need any testimonials from you...
even in the unlikely contingency of my embarking on a political career...
you'd really need some serious work developing any kind of credibility...
but then again...
maybe not...
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: education?
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 12:47 AM
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Re: Truth?
Wed, July 8, 2009 - 5:23 PM"YOU
are Part of the reason why the world is a miserable mess. "
So sayeth the Judge of All Men's Souls.
The facade is crumbling Leslie and the cracks are starting to show.
You're starting to sound like a lonely, vindictive, old man living in that lovely structure of yours. Someone standing on a street corner yelling at the pigeons because they have the nerve to mess in your splendidly, sparkly little world of butterflies and jelly bean shitting unicorns.
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 9:58 PMYou Punques stop elucidating Ironically irrelevant sidelong slights and chronologizing crumblenation lamentations in my mosh pit. Itz blessed little pointed head won't shed the flying pooping dread a-head......
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 10:14 PMBut seriously, the Ad-Vice & 0-pinyuns i get here are as charming as the daily calls from the mercenary corporate debt collectors and the threats from the gore-poor-ate mind inspectors...
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:02 PMwhat? a charm-err
www.youtube.com/watch
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 6:47 AMSmells like Nirvana
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Truth?
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 6:08 AM"not only pretends but insists"
Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Re: Truth?
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:08 AMI don't much think having a preset ideology is conducive to truth in the first place. Why do we need ideologies again? There must be some good reason, but i can't think of it right now. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:15 AMWell said! And why must we assume (some) others have a preset ideology, too? -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:40 AMI have never met a fellow soul who did not have ideology in their makeup. Sometimes it takes a little digging. Ask any psychotherapist. It's impossible to be sentient and not have idealogy and bias. The silliest aspect of some professionally public skeptics is their insistence that the parameters they plug in for judgement are all inclusive, and as with Hoopes here there are many games played that are not on the up and up. Hoopes' most persistent tactic is to conflate the ridiculous with more intelligent speculations or to drag clowns into a discussion then to allege that the room is full of clowns and therefore how can anyone take seriously the original topic. The Amazing Randi does this often too. He focuses maniacally on known fake Geller and continually implies that therefore all the phenomenon which Randi concerns himself with is guilty by topical association.
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:49 AMLooked up "ideology". Fairly recent word, couple of hundred years old. I think everyone needs some sort of overarching paradigm of WTF we think is happening, but the word "ideology" means more like "belief" or "doctorine" and i don't think that is at all necessary or desirable. I think a working hypothesis is all that is truthfully possible.
With some people, it becomes obvious that they have it all figured out and are just going through the motions of the "di" part of "dialogue" while they stoop to enlighten the rest of us. It is fair and proper to call bullshit on such bullshit IMO.
ideology -
1. the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
2. such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation.
3. Philosophy.
a. the study of the nature and origin of ideas.
b. a system that derives ideas exclusively from sensation.
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:55 AMThe word "bias" is less semantically encumbered and makes the same point. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:03 PMWell, everybody might have a bias, but all bias is not equally biased. Some are slam eat up with it. I think it best to strive for biaslessness and think perhaps that is my biased notion of being enlightened. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 1:07 PMyeah enlightenment always kinda sounds like it equates to death...
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 6:57 PMI don't mind bias as long as it explains itself. It's the bias that tries to hide its motives that is objectionable. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:33 PMindeed...
if corruption were upfont it wouldn't be corruption...
but ultimately everybody is a player trying to grab a slice in a partisan world...
except those that get high born into a nurturing partisanship...
and even they are generally grabbing at more...
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 1:19 AMhahahahahahha so wut is it then tune out? stay put n take action? keep talkin? wus the solution? -
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:09 AMwhat would constitute an enlightened society...? -
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 8:47 AM"Start by shutting THIS tribe down!"
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 3:43 PM
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 7:23 PM"You'd do well to review how ideology conditions perception and produces propaganda. "
Once again Showing His Ignorance Via His Assumptions...
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 8:16 PM"And in Retort, I suggest you do the same, you are far more in need of Review... "
Ah, the old I-Know-You-Are-But-What-Am-I retort.
Boy, that's worth a whole 0.05 points out of 10 on the ol' argue-o-meter.
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:43 PM"Ah, the old I-Know-You-Are-But-What-Am-I retort.
Boy, that's worth a whole 0.05 points out of 10 on the ol' argue-o-meter.
Dang Manjushri, you represent a formidable foe. "
LOL
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:44 PMGood thing I had Clearly Won the Debate 2 years ago... LMAO -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:45 PMOh what that was A Different one... Not Sure I am even Debating with Hoopes on this Thread. -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:49 PMLooks more like it was taken over by Leslie... Which is fine By Mean... I was just Pluggin' My Tribe. Satya Yuga 2012.
Much Better Tribe, In My Biased and UnHumble Opinion.
LOL
Om A Ra Pa Ca Na Dhih, Dhih, Dhih
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Re: Truth?
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 7:29 PMVery True... Half the Bible is Who Begot Who...
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is in Fact the Knowledge of DNA... I Agree... Re-Read the Description of the Tree straight from even a "King James" version of the Bible. You Should Review Tsarion's Work... It is Fascinating stuff even if you don't Believe a Word of it... Though Most other Researchers and Scholars into Theology and Symbolism don't Disagree... Just Neo-Intellectuals such as yourself Hoopes... -
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 7:31 PMThough I should not Assume you Disagree either... I just suggest you look further into it... Then into the References and Books Sighted... Some of which are very Ancient indeed... -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 6:55 AM"Some of which are very Ancient indeed... "
And some of which are only *claimed* to be ancient...
The Invention of Sacred Tradition, edited by James R. Lewis and Olav Hammer (2007)
www.cup.cam.ac.uk/us/catalo...alogue.asp
"The dictionary definition of tradition refers to beliefs and practices that have been transmitted from generation to generation, however, 'tradition' can rest simply on the claim that certain cultural elements are rooted in the past. Claim and documented historical reality need not overlap. In the domain of religion, historically verifiable traditions coexist with recent innovations whose origins are spuriously projected back into time. This book examines the phenomenon of 'invented traditions' in religions ranging in time from Zoroastrianism to Scientology, and geographically from Tibet to North America and Europe. The various contributions, together with an introduction that surveys the field, use individual case studies to address questions such as the rationale for creating historical tradition for one's doctrines and rituals; the mechanisms by which hitherto unknown texts can enter an existing corpus; and issues of acceptance and scepticism in the reception of dubious texts." -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:43 PMThis is true Hoopes... And Props for Finding a Reference to Genes of Isis.
Though that couldn't have been too hard.
But What does it Mean?
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:23 AMtsarion's "scholarly" "work"...
it's amazing what you can do with a spliff and some comic books... ;)
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