Egyptians, Afterlife, the Pineal Gland and DMT

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Egyptians, Afterlife, the Pineal Gland and DMT

"Did the ancient Egyptian technology extend into mastery of the afterlife? In the Valley of the Kings, the tombs of Seti I and Tuthmosis III have been closed to the public for over a decade. Arcane funerary texts cover the walls of the tombs with a bewildering list of spells and secrets that allow the deceased to navigate the afterlife. Dr. Rick Strassman, author of "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" discusses the biochemistry of the death experience and the role of the mysterious pineal gland. Our powerful interaction with DMT is shedding new light on the ancient understanding of the "third eye" or pineal gland as the seat of consciousness. Lon Milo Duquette discusses the strange state of consciousness known as Lucid Dreaming and its unexpected relationship with the afterlife experience."
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  • this thing peaks my interest due to some of my own experiences with... and reading the egyptian book of the dead in certain light.... looking forward to watching this!
    • Unsu...
      Yes, The Spirit Molecule is becoming more intruiguing to me as well ever since I have been been re-introduced to it without me really looking for it.
      As a bodyworker I also got introduced to CranioSacral Therapy CST last year, a modality that effects the Cerebrospinal fluid CSF which travels between the sacrum and cranial bones. it is produced inside the four ventricles deep inside the brain. The Pineal gland lies inside these ventricles, embeded in the CSF. Through certain techniques and very light touch the flow of the CSF can be manipulated which has tremendous healing effects on the nervous system and acitvates self-healing properties of the body-mind. So far CST has not been related to possible DMT release caused through the "involuntray" manipualtion of the pineal gland as one affects the CSF. (at least I haven't come across any research on that). However, my own experience of receiving CST sessions had very interesing effects on me. Coming out of a session, I feel very similar as when "coming down" after having smoked DMT. I don't have any vivid alien/entity encounters like when I smoke it but there is a deep sense of lightness, contentment , awareness , as if vibrating on a higher frequency. In short , after a CST session I feel very similar to the DMT state of mind I have which stays with me days after having smoked it. The similarity is astonishing. I can only explain this by asuming that the pineal gland is very much affected through CranioSacral Therapy and it might release little amounts of DMT.
      In anyway, I'm studying, experimenting and reasearching more about it.
      Anyone who has any hints or material I should look into, please let me know, or who is up for a session (if you're in or around LA) is welcome at any time.
      We'll see. These are exciting times and it is interesting how synchronicites and "coincidences" are leading me to an interesting appraoch and refreshing view to the Healing Arts and Entheogens.

      Also very interesting is this excerpt from Barbara Marciniak's channeled material, which talks about the CranioSacral modality affecting the endocrine system (which the Pineal Gland is part of). Reading it again , I see it in a new light and it starts making even more sense.

      "The plan of intention is for human beings, based on the increase on light, to evolve into multitalented beings. Some people are operating on 6 to 8 percent of their brain capacity. Someone who is using more of their brain, an Einstein for example, is using at best 15 to 20 percent. Ask yourself these questions: What is the other 80 percent of my brain doing? Why is it dormant? What is not hooked up?
      The endocrine system will evolve as DNA evolves, producing chemical substances that are combinations of intelligent geometric shapes. These shapes will exist all over the body and will not be localized simply in the brain. Everything will happen simultaneously. The endocrine system can secrete psychedelic-like chemical substances that catapult you into new forms of intelligence. You have a conflict in society about how you view drugs. Anything having to do with mind expansion has been promoted as very bad and fearful. Yet, at the same time, a good portion of the world is addicted to prescription drugs that keep people sedated. In your society, prescribed drugs that suppress the natural chemical process are fine, while drugs that activate the mind and open other realities are bad. Major control is in effect concerning your ideas about what you can and cannot take into your body.
      Your endocrine system is going to go through a massive upheaval. It is in the early stages of this at this time. As the strands of DNA begin to discover their identities and come alive, they will change the endocrine system.
      The accelerated energy will create havoc on your planet, leading to a great deal of confusion couples with radical, revolutionary, overnight change. Never in your recorded history has there been so much energy on the planet and has there been the kind of consciousness that there is now, so you have nothing to prepare you for what is coming. The radical change that these movements will bring about is beyond your conception.
      Focus on the best that you can be, knowing that you will affect many probabilities around you. Know that for yourself this will be the opportunity to activate a major change.
      Your pineal gland is being activated through the infusion of light energies, releasing a new vision of possibilities, in which peace and freedom are felt and recognized from inside.
      Your thymus gland is pivotal in sending the signal to your body to hold the pattern of rejuvenation. It is like a gatekeeper at the base of your neck that regulates what comes from above and what comes from below.
      Your upper glands, the pituitary and pineal, as cranial temples are inactivated; they are basically dormant. Your thymus gland does not continuously remind your body its idealized blueprint because it is not getting the messages to do so from the temples in your head. This is because your temples have been disconnected from the full strand DNA.
      Your thymus gland will return to its own vitality when it receives the message that your body has done its preparation and that your consciousness is ready.

      Your hypothalamus regulates the temperature and water in your body. You are water, you understand electrified water. The elements and balance of ocean water match the blood in your human body. Humans were made from the ocean. This is one of the greatest secrets of creation, the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. It is from this that you sprang. This is the basic key. The firmament was created, and from the firmament came life. This is one of the principles through which you were constructed. We want you to understand that there are many ways to construct humans. Remember , we said that very often things are switched around so that you do not discover the truth of your identity. Your official history of human evolution has not much to do with the truth of it.
      Your hypothalamus can be thought of as the gatekeeper between your physical body and your outer charkas. Its time has not yet come. In your present stage of evolution, you cannot comprehend its function.
      There are ways through cranio-sacral adjustment to stimulate the hypothalamus. These will be discovered and shared when people have raised their consciousness to the degree that they are prepared for the great sunburst of energy that will come from this gland. Until that time, the information would be dangerous. People sometimes cannot moderate themselves, and they think they must drink the elixir of all experience without making the neccessary preparation of consciousness.

      You will never be the same once your hypothalamus secretion start. Have you ever ingested a psychedelic? How would you like to live, balancing that reality, twenty-four hours a day? It wouldnt work; it would be entirely too confusing. It is fine for what is called a trip. It is fine for a journey into learning into the shamanic, mysterious, Living Library realms. However it certainly is not something you want for breakfast every day. The rest of the nervous system is not in sync with that awareness. When you take what is called a trip, it is exactly that like going to the country or to the shore for the weekend. You go, you experience it, and then you come back and contemplate it.
      Your hypothalamus is going to move you to a new shoreline of your being, a new domain that will be chemically induced. This is what the endocrine system does. It introduces various chemicals into your body without you taking anything without you ingesting any substance at all. The chemicals will simply begin to secrete themselves and influence the very way that you perceive and interpret reality.
      Your restored hypothalamus will take you on a journey, and you will change everything so that you will be happy to dwell there. You will not want to dwell in the old place. It will be as if you move to a new planet without leaving earth. It will be a splitting of your world. Earth and Earths reality in the Living Library will change before your eyes because the chemicals that will be secreted from the hypothalamus will give you a new interpretation if reality.
      This you are not prepared for yet, not anywhere near it. First you must convince yourself that you are loved and that you are the source of love. You must maintain a consistent feeling of this before you can begin the subtle changes in your endocrine system that will prepare you for the awakening of your hypothalamus. We suggest that this will happen in increments between 1999 and 2012.

      From "Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library" channeled by Barbara Marciniak (1994) I aslo really would like to read the egyptian book of the dead.
      • i enjoyed that, thanks. the death process is a mirror of the birthing process. the waters can be found encased in the womb. its uncanny the sameness of things.

        i like this book:
        (a treasure for sure!)
        • also, recall in the spirit molecule regarding the pineal. it forms in the roof of the mouth and the shoots up to the center of the brain for protection after so many weeks of body formation in the womb. i find that more than a tryp regarding sound, spirit, and story. metaphormosis!
          • Unsu...
            "the death process is a mirror of the birthing process. the waters can be found encased in the womb. its uncanny the sameness of things."

            This speaks to me this moment, especially after just talking to a friend's experience reading a book called, "Prenatal Yoga and Natural Child Birth" by Jeanine Parvarti Baker, a mystic of a kind. He has decided to purue "birth as a way of life."

            Perhaps this is akin to how the "wise woman" traditions synch up with the Mystery School traditions. I don't think the point can be overstated that due to the processes of birth and death or transformational thresholds being so finely woven that the biology of woman and the mind of a transcendental universe have some extraordinary relationship to the universal languages of ascension, the law of one, language that invigors, empowers and flows cosmically and rhytmically between what is Man and what is Woman and what is One.

            I've been jazzing of late (and this movie piqued me) that the "nether" world and the "ether" world are process-linked with the netcheral or natural world of universal substance or God, linked outwardly and inwardly in ways described in this movie:


            Lots of connections, welcome to the dawning of the world of oneness, the awakened world we are being led to by the prophetic nether of time.

            And, again, nice statement, Anistara. I like the things you say very much.

            • Re: Pineal Gland.

              Mon, January 8, 2007 - 6:40 PM
              I have been working on increasing stimilutaion to this gland for the last 6 months. I have been trying the standard light inducement as well as not moving towards some herbal ones. I also download something called the BrainWAVE Generator pretty much for the same purpose.
              • Re: Pineal Gland.

                Mon, January 8, 2007 - 6:51 PM
                i use a proteus mind machine that is quite effective. you might want to incorporate solar gazing amongst the other tools and tidbits for effective light/sound activation. strobing is effective as well. i recently watched AV3X and it worked quite well. plug:
                • Unsu...

                  Re: Pineal Gland.

                  Mon, January 8, 2007 - 7:22 PM
                  Bernhard, I gotta say this is the best Egyptian guide to 2012 I have ever seen. Great find!

                  Just amazing. I love this flick. In my mind it totally agrees with the Mayan Calendar, a cosmogenic overlay of the motive and destiny of the netherworld we know as time.
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                    Re: Pineal Gland.

                    Mon, January 8, 2007 - 8:27 PM
                    My post got deleted somehow, so I decided to revise it,
                    and re-post it. I added more stuff to it.
                    (Plus to Golden and others, I added more stuff
                    about the Egypt-India connection that I thought you might
                    find interesting! Om)
                    The name “Egypt” comes from the Sanskrit word Ajap,
                    short for Ajapati, signifying Lord Rama as the scion of the clan
                    of Aja; Aja was Lord Rama’s grandfather.
                    The Egyptian pharaohs had names like Ramses I, Ramses II, etc.
                    because Rama was universally accepted as an ideal ruler.
                    Ramses is also another name for Lord Rama, and the word
                    has also become synonymous with God, as India’s Lord Rama
                    was considered an Enlightened Incarnation.
                    In following Ancient India’s tradition, the Egyptians considered
                    their rulers to be incarnations of God.
                    The Egyptian tradition of dividing society into different castes,
                    such as priestly/elite caste, warrior caste, traders, merchants,
                    laborers, agriculturists, etc,
                    originated in India with Manu, the man who invented the caste system.
                    Even the religious symbols on both the shores of the Indian Ganges River
                    and Egypt’s Nile River are identical:
                    the phallus of Egypt’s Ammon Temple
                    is an adulterated duplicate of the Lingam of Shiva Temples,
                    the Lingam being Shiva’s man-piece.
                    Many ancient stories from India which speak of barren women hanging out
                    at Shiva Temples long enough to become fertile again, these similar stories
                    are also ascribed to the Ammon Temple of Ancient Egypt.
                    The Lotus flower is the symbol of the Sun in both ancient India and Egypt.
                    Egyptians viewed Earth represented as a cow, as Indians have for eons,
                    and a sphere balanced on the hoods of a huge cobra known as Shesh.
                    This is yet another ancient Indian concept, that all of the planets maintain
                    their orbits by being held in balance through the power of Lord Sheshanaga,
                    or Sheshna, the monstrous serpent which Lord Vishnu uses as a bed.
                    The pharaoh’s crown was decorated with a cobra symbol,
                    just as Ancient India’s Charka System describes Kundalini as being a super-warehouse
                    of cosmic fire that lies coiled like a cobra at the base of the spine, until it awakens,
                    triggering every Chakra along the center spinal pathway till it blooms with it’s hood
                    open at the crown of an Enlightened Master.
                    The name “Nile”, pertaining to the Nile River, the name itself means “blue.”
                    Nile is a Sanskrit word which means blue. People still call it “The Blue Nile.”
                    They've known all about this stuff,
                    about the secrets of Creation, DNA, DMT, etc.
                    for millions of years in India, at least.
                    Egyptians also got their ideas of reincarnation from traveling Hindu mystics;
                    specifically, that an individual, immortal soul
                    repeatedly undergoes reincarnation until it reaches liberation.
                    One of the Great Pyramids of Egypt
                    has the ancient Indian text "The Bhagavad-Gita"
                    carved into the inner rock wall of one of the Pyramid chambers.
                    The engraving is said to date back many thousands of years.
                    The Egyptians got their practice of soaking Blue Lotus flowers in wine from India.
                    The Lotus flower originates in India and was a key ingredient in
                    many alchemical elixirs,
                    as well as the subject of many ancient legends regarding Hindu spirituality.
                    The entire Chakra System of Yoga and Tantra,
                    which Osirus’s "Third Eye" is referring to,
                    was also discovered by Ancient Indians.
                    The secrets of The Third Eye, also known as the pineal gland,
                    has been a key focus of many mystical Yoga practices
                    for millions of years in India.
                    Pythagoras, the West's great mathematician and mystic, enrolled himself
                    in an Egyptian Mystery School, where they turned him down at the gates
                    because they said he must purify himself first, by fasting for 40 days
                    and doing a meditation in which you watch your breath and focus on your
                    Third Eye, the source of DMT.
                    This is a very ancient Indian meditation technique, also explained
                    by Krishna to his disciple and friend Arjuna
                    in the ancient Indian scripture Bhagavad Gita.
                    But the technique FAR predates the Bhagavad Gita.
                    Aside from Ancient Egypt,
                    the only other civilization that had extensive knowledge
                    of such advanced mathematics was Ancient India.
                    Evidence now shows that not only did ancient Babylonian geometry
                    have it's source in The Shulbasutras (Ancient Indian mathematics texts),
                    but Egypt's system of mathematics was also derived from The Shulbasutras.
                    The Shulbasutras were created for the purpose
                    of designing strict altars for Vedic (Indian) rituals.
                    Research has clearly shown
                    that in EVERY time period of Ancient Egypt's monuments,
                    common trapezoidal Vedic altars can be found.
                    A story tells of how Egyptian Civilization goes as far back
                    as the time of Lord Parashurama in India.
                    The Ancient Indian Scripture Mahabharata explains that
                    Parashurama killed all the ruling kings in India
                    who were cruel, dishonest, and corrupt;
                    those who were against the Vedic culture.
                    The Mahabharata further explains
                    that the earliest kings of Ancient Egypt
                    were originally the miscreant kings and warriors
                    who had fled India due to their fear of Lord Parashurama.
                    Once they settled in Egypt,
                    they started their own perverted, distorted version of India's Vedic culture.
                    It was also known that the ancient Egyptians believed
                    that their entire civilization originated “across the sea in a land to the East.”
                    Go east across the Arabian Sea and you land on the west coast of India.
                    There’s a lot more info out there than I feel like posting here
                    that shows Egypt's Indian origins.
                    The point I’m trying to make
                    is that any spiritual knowledge worth knowing
                    that came out of Egypt, has its source in India,
                    so one should seek there for the answers,
                    or rather, for the questions.
                    • Unsu...

                      Re: Pineal Gland.

                      Mon, January 8, 2007 - 9:44 PM
                      I don't know Om.
                      What are your resources of your claims?
                      Seems a bit wishy-washy to me.

                      You posted a similar topic om the dmt ribe and failed to respond to some good questions by Kevin.
                      For more go to
                      • Unsu...

                        Re: Pineal Gland.

                        Mon, January 8, 2007 - 10:07 PM
                        Look fwd to it, OM. Nice to hear the real goods from someone who actually lives in India and knows what may be the oldest light language the Earth has ever seen.
                    • Unsu...

                      Re: Pineal Gland.

                      Tue, January 9, 2007 - 3:11 AM
                      i just can not resonate with that will try thu
                      BUT: do you know the egyptian language too?
                      For what I know that is created from Right side as a word (male) and left side of the brain as a pisture - simbol (PHI-male)
                      Also mayan language has it
                      But Sanskrit?
                      somehow something in missing here or my information is not complite
                      Enlighten me
                      For image talking is enherated from far Lemurian time
                      For we do not create with words but with images boren from our left side of the brain
                      Isn't it , that the words you are refering to came from the same sorce
                      And language of simbolism is basicly the same
                      For after the fall of Atlantida masters like Thoth&Shiset - Egypt , and others went to a different places (Mayas,...)on Earth to spread the knowledge of immortality
                      For the real date of the Keops and Mayan piramides appired to be much older. curse of the new tecnology for the written history.
                      Something does not fit together
                      For me it is more like the same ground of all civilizations
                      As for gods on wings =Symbolisem - universal language for all to understand Language of unity
      • sweet synchronic secret-ions cont...

        Tue, January 9, 2007 - 10:17 AM
        in other words, the gateway is thru the endocrine system.
        this is fascinating stuff bernard....
        really resonates with recent personal experiences of mine as well, although mine are with the gland a little lower...

        mo fun facts:

        from wikiworld:
        The thymus is also present in most vertebrates, with similar structure and function as the human thymus. Some animals have multiple secondary (smaller) thymi in the neck, this phenomenon has been reported for mice [12] and also occurs in 5 out of 6 human fetuses.[13]
        When animal thymic tissue is sold in a butcher shop or at a meat counter, thymus is known as sweetbread.

        btw, anyone have a subscription for
        if so, could you please share this:
        consider me curious but lazy and cheap...
        • om
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          It's nothing new

          Tue, January 9, 2007 - 11:10 AM
          none of these "Pineal Gland Revelations"
          are anything new.
          "The spirit molecule: a revolutionary theory
          on what I think is going on!"
          would be a more appropriate title for strassman's work
          he's not doing anything knew
          and neither are any other scientists.
          the whole idea, discovery of "Third Eye" freakin' originated
          in India!!!
          Why do you think people where chandlows, bindus,
          a.k.a. the red dots on the center of their foreheads, they've
          been doing this for eons.
          It's to remind them of the Third Eye.
          Why do you think sandalwood paste / oil is such a huge thing in India?
          (sandalwood is also native to India and originates there)
          cuz it smells good?
          sandalwood gives off a scent that corresponds with the
          proper functioning of the Third Eye
          It's oil on the forhead makes one more alert, more aware.
          Most upside-down and lying-down Asans, Yoga postures,
          were designed for the sole purpose of stimulating your Third Eye,
          not for the purpose of being able to imitate a pretzel or better your
          sex life.
          An Ancient Raja/Kriya/Ashtanga Yoga practice is to slice between
          1/8th and 1/16th inch of a certain nerve tissue beneath the tongue,
          every 3-6 months, for several years, until the The Yogi's tongue
          can reach back and up into his brain and pierce his Third Eye.
          The Yogi pierces his pineal with his tongue and it causes massive
          amounts of DMT, or Amrita, to drip down.
          You don't think my knowledge is truthful or reliable
          because it doesn't say "random house encyclopedia, page 1000,
          paragraph 12" at the end of every one of my sentences.
          It doesn't amuse me to make stuff up.
          Take it or leave it.
          • Unsu...

            Re: It's nothing new

            Tue, January 9, 2007 - 11:24 AM
            Om, you're cracking me up!
            Keep it coming!!

            I just wonder ....why are so head-bend that "it" all "originated" from India?
            Who cares?
          • is this how the yogis teach it?

            Wed, January 10, 2007 - 8:09 AM
            i'm getting an air of frustration or anger in this relay. something isn't jiving and it could just be presentation. maybe its just me... ?
            • Unsu...

              Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

              Wed, January 10, 2007 - 9:29 AM
              Now that you mentioned it, Anistara, it does sound very frustrated (I suppose you are talking about Om's posts) mixed with some anger.
              I actually would listen if the whole presentation would be a bit more constructive, mature, with compelling evidence and resources to his claims other than "this is the way it is becasue I say so and I know it all , so it is the truth, take it or leave it".
              I'm skeptical about anyone who claims to know it all, especially with that kind of attitude
              However, I still don't get his point. It sounds to me like a kid who wants to be recognized that he "saw it first"....(who cares?)....and he sounds far from being a yogi to fact his ego seems to be in the way of the presentation.
              • om
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                Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                Wed, January 10, 2007 - 9:43 AM
                Who the hell are you to judge me?
                I NEVER ONCE said i was a "yogi"
                or anything like that.
                Im just presenting knowledge that I have,
                that i like sharing with everyone,
                and you're passing snide remarks
                and insults at me for no reason whatsoever.
                And who are you to decide what Ego is and what Ego isn't?
                Only Ego can see Ego, so if you saw it first, then
                you aren't exactly perfect either, friend.
                "It sounds to me like a kid who wants to be recognized"
                WTF should it matter how it sounds to you?
                who cares about your biases and personal opinions?
                and what does it matter that I'm a "kid" ?
                is age somehow a determining factor in assessing
                one's awareness or intelligence? No? Then shut the fuck up.
                • Revelations 15:40

                  Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:03 AM
                  "And ye shall know the time is nigh,
                  when the sound of AllThereIs,
                  that which ye hear as OM,
                  speaks the commandment forewith,
                  'Shut the fuck up.'"

                  f'in classic...
                • Unsu...

                  Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                  Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:25 AM
                  One of my best friends studied and meditated with the Maharishi in India for over 25 years (since she was 14 years old) and I can say, not from my experience, but from hers, that lots of what Om is saying is right on. And not only that, it goes much deeper.

                  Where I live, a number of people I know regularly go to live in India. India is a land filled with ancient piety, and much advanced (in our terms) knowledge of the glands and the body and various "levels" of consciousness accessed, distilled and taught through meditation, yoga and study - In India reside the Quanum Physicists of Spirituality, not the only ones.

                  If there is going to be any real understanding your words Om, it will be from people with some semblance of appreciating for that the place we call India, a complex tapestry of ancient spiritual tradition and several world ages overlapping all at once.

                  One could speak of many different things when it comes to India.

                  I personally enjoy what Om is sharing in a way that expresses his frustration at meeting so many people on here who think that one book on meditation is something new in India, when in fact, yogis have been slipping in and ot of God consciousness for 10s of thousands of years.

                  I think its great that the western mind, so long considered lost to fear and lords of materiality by our Eastern brothers and sisters, is starting to synch up with the magic of physical ascension and light bodies.

                  I also think this conversation is interesting because we have slipped into a period for the coming together of the east and west the left and right brain.

                  Om is brining the voice of someone who has not just learned from books. His passion speaks to me as much as his information, much of which would benefit from further discussion, which, in my opinon would be benefitted by Om perhaps listening to his responses and trying to break it down into neat left brain packets that fit with western spiritual jargon, sayings categories and waves, like the entheogenic shamanistic wave and so on.

                  Those Indian teachers that do write books for the West do so with a good sense of their audience. For instance, one book largely based on the Teachings of the Maharishi in terms of the Unified Field Effects of Consciousness (known in Indian before Quantum Physicists in the West "discovered" it) is written by a whity guy trained in wester medicine and familiar with western fields of thought. The point is they both synch up.

                  It is a matter of communication both ways.

                  If someone is interested in how Om's style of speech is used, why not ask him directly and say, "Hey, Om, what are you frustrated about?" Seems he addresses that in his post, if you were reading it.

                  And Om makes a true statement (why I am reminded of in my own life). Only ego (self-judgement) can see ego.

                  Let's play nice!

                  On the one hand, Om offers much. On the other hand, Bernhard did start this thread with a particular topic in mind.

                  Om, perhaps you could relate more about the pineal gland and why it is so important in awakening awareness. I myself would like to know.

                  I have the Spirit Molecule book as well. and I like it.

                  I want to hear everybody. I don't want to read veiled insults as to someone's presentation.

                  We all equals here and we all bringa wealth.

                  India is India. Also, wherever each of us is from is a spiritual homeland, for really do not all spiritual lands and traditions speak of one being and one source?

                  It makes me smile to read Om's frustration and not having all the "sourcees" and "references" to support what he knows to be true from his life and experience. Alas, we need both. The one tree has branched in many ways and many are the ways that the branches have bent and swayed to come back to galactic attunement to the one being and the law of one.

                  Wisdom speaks in many ways.

                  There is no one here, from what I have read, who is not "full of it" (wisdom I mean"

                  Can't we all get along?
                • Unsu...

                  Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                  Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:29 AM
                  "Then shut the fuck up."

                  Sorry Om, I made the connection that someone who calls homself Om and claims to know so much about India is maybe a yogi?
                  Obviously you're far from it. My bad.
                  Btw, I have no idea how old you are. I haven't checked your profile. You could be 64 . All I'm saying is that your posts SOUND LIKE being from a kid who obvioulsy is struggling with some anger issues. I really don't care how old you are in human years.
                  In any way, I take your advice and won't waste my focus/time and energy on you anyomore.....

                  "Shut the fuck up" would suit you better as your signature than "Om"
                  Maybe change it, so people don't get confused.

                  Enjoy your hair.
                  Peace out.
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                    Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                    Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:37 AM
                    ...and OF COURSE I have an ego....just like everyone else on here (otherwsie you would not be on here, duhh!)....some people just think they are better or know better.........and anyone who tells me to shut the fuck up I cannot take serious, sorry.........I'm not offended or anything, because I don't take myself serious to being with.........for me it's all comedy it's all rather amusing....and Om is a great comedian.......not too much in regards to what he has to say, but the way he presents it and the way he reacts when someone questions his cracks me up...sorry!
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                    Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                    Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:38 AM
                    Bernhard, man, you totally condescended to the man. He took the time to write a lengthy post that he obviously wanted to contribute to this thread and you dismissed in one fell swoop as angry.

                    If I decided to take every single person to task who sounded a bit angry on this tribe we would never get anywhere, especially since I myself would be the subject of endless debate.

                    Om was lashing back at the shock, I fear, of not being listened to when he took great pains to express his thoughts, included in which he presented the context for his frustration in plain and, I think fair terms.

                    I will not sit by and see one person singled out as "angry" just because he is reponding to having people stand around the proverbial water cooler and discuss his state of mind instead of his words.

                    Surely you don't take ME for a fool? Any of you.
                    • Unsu...

                      Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                      Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:53 AM
                      Damn, Golden, you seem to know Om very well as you speak up for him so much. He can't do it for himself?

                      All I asked was to have some compelling evidence/references for his claims.......besides presenting it in a "know it all " fashion with a "take it or leave it" attitude and if you question Om then he'll tell you too shut the fuck up............

                      You know what, Golden, I really don't care about what Om has to's actually competely irrelevant to what I'm researching in regards to DMT lately. I was just agreeing with Anistara about the obvious frustration and anger in his posts....which is a bit surprising coming from a man who is supposed to be so wise and knowledgable.
                      That's all I wanted to point I pushed his buttons....and yours too, I guess......welcome to the club.........let'g get together and eat some about 5g each?.....or a hit of DMT?........that should take care of anyone's ego, mine, his and yours.. ...and then go over it again. I'm up for it. Let's do it!!!

                      and for the rest of it all...I just like to quote the Hopi Indians:

                      "At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally, least of all, ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey, comes to a halt."
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                        Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                        Wed, January 10, 2007 - 11:30 AM
                        Evidence for his "claims"? You make it sound like his whole post was speculation, which is rude and non-receptive.

                        Proof that Indians have red dots on their foreheads and have used sandalwood past for thousands of years?

                        Who doesn't know that? Do you have any proof of your claim to be reading about the DMT molecule?


                        (in the spirit of fair play)
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                      Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                      Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:53 AM
                      It would be really interesting to me to see what it is that folks mind so much (or find so humourous) about the suggestion that much of culture comes from India (Or Indus Valley).

                      Truly this is a huge claim that would require extensive research, but its not an outlandish thought by any means and nor does it de facto negate Egypt or any other center of enlightenment study.

                      What is humourous to me is how quickly people can dismiss such a thing while not presenting any intelligent counterclaim and absolutely no evidenc to the contrary.

                      As it stands. It's one persons thought and passion.

                      Very interesting to see the responses.

                      BTW, I also like the notion of Celtic origins presented by Tsarion. Yet, in all ways, I look forward to the spirit of oneness returning to its aboriginal root in all human hearts.

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                        Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                        Wed, January 10, 2007 - 11:40 AM
                        "What is humourous to me is how quickly people can dismiss such a thing while not presenting any intelligent counterclaim and absolutely no evidenc to the contrary. "

                        Golden, I never dismissed what Om had to say, I just didn't vibe with the presentation and I'm just not that much interested in it. I'm approaching DMT and the pineal gland form a different angel....actually I also don't care much about Egyptian me it's obvious that the ancient culttures were aware of all this......and I'm not romantesizing the Egyptians, as om claims me to do. I don't even know if any of you have read my post on top about my line of work and what I'm getting into. To me it's obviously clear that the Indians or Egyptians were aware of the mysterious pineal gland, third eye, etc as well as other cultures....and who came FIRST I really don't care a lot of what Om has to say it nothing new....I heard it all here and there's more like ancient history 101....but the way he presents is is quite a bit wishy washy, in a know-it -all kind of attitude without any practical application.
                        So sorry for pointing that out, apparently he felt insulted. Didn't mean to.

                        Rather than historical facts, theories or claims, I'm actually more interested in the the present and future research of the spirit molecule and application to attain altered states of consiousness through recently discovered techniques but which haven't made the connection to the spirit molecule yet, especially in regards to the healing arts.
                        I'm a bodyworker/healer, so I like to appraoch it more from a practical point of view in the name of healing. As I have mentioned above there are techniques (besides the ancient Indian ones) that seem to affect the pineal gland which just have been discovered recently (I'm talking about bodywork here). Besides CranioSacral, there is another technique called Sensory Repatterning whcih has similar affects on the Body-Mind and affects the CSF and pineal gland as well as the whole Endocrine system. The state of mind I'm in after having smoked DMT or drank ayahuasca is strikingly similar to the sate of mind I'm in after a good bodywork session with said techniques.
                        Going even further I'm also very much interested in alternate Relaities and the dimensions/entities one ecnounters in the DMT , I guess while writing this I realize I'm better of in the DMT!!!!.......however, I just wanted to share this information here in case someone has something constructive to contribute along these lines, becasue I respect many people on here and I learn a lot from their insight. Some a better writers/presentors than others. Actually littelfish has just sent me an intersting link.....thank you!

                        So I apologize to Om and you Golden, I think we talk besides each other as my intention in the whole DMT topic is different than yours.
                        I realize that was my mistake, because the video obvioulsy focuses much on Egyptian culture and there is no mentioning of bodywork in there at!..... So , my bad. I'm just researching the pineal gland and DMT extensively lately, so I post some of my findings on here.
                        I also apologize for being condecending, if I came across that way.
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                    Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                    Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:46 AM
                    if you get off on
                    slinging petty insults
                    then be my guest
                    it shows your ignorance
                    and nothing more
                    "Om" is not what i call myself
                    its what my family has called me
                    since my birth
                    I don't "claim to know so much about India"
                    I DO know so much about india
                    maybe because my body contains
                    billions of years of Indian genetics?
                    Might that be the reason? hmmm.......
                    you're an idiot for trying to make false connections
                    a shaman in the Amazon can be a Yogi
                    a white guy from Rhode Island can be a Yogi
                    an Indian from the Himalayas can be a Yogi;
                    so WTF is your point?
                    you hide behind redundant intellectualism
                    I speak from real-life experience,
                    not from books.
                    "enjoy your hair"
                    fool, its not even a picture of me
                    its some middle-aged sadhu in India
                    So, i'm obviously far from being a yogi, as you said
                    cuz i curse and get angry
                    for someone that NEVER CLAIMED to be a yogi in the first place,
                    I really don't have much of an image to try and live up to, do I?
                    even if everything came from India, "Who cares?" as you asked;
                    obviously you do,
                    otherwise you wouldn't be glamorizing Egypt
                    'romantic land of pyramids and pharaohs"
                    you're glass;
                    not hard to penetrate.
                    I'll quote myself here:
                    swans should get pearls,
                    monkeys should be thrown bananas.
                    Don't choke on the peel.
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                      Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                      Wed, January 10, 2007 - 11:06 AM
                      Bernhard, I have not bone to pick with you. I've seen too much of what you bring to the table to want to disrespect.
                      (not fair about the mushrrooms btw, and perhaps one day I would have the honour)

                      My point is, if anyone here wrote 500 words or more to share and then, as a response people said, "Doesn't Berhard sound just angry, yet I'm not getting the relay. Is he just angry or something. Yeah."

                      Then maybe it might be natural to feel exactly that, angry and frustrated, since you've pretty much just told the person that is ALL you hear them saying.

                      My connection to OM?

                      I hear a passionate man who, whatever his age or background, brings a lot of evenmindedness to this rainbow roundtable of human healing and sharing. We can all get frustrated trying to bring our ideas to form and their are many currents of mind and heart flowing around here. If you don't like someone's style, fine, but there's no need to belittle, no matter how humourous you may find it.

                      I realize that is one tool available to the online hack (in which I include us all).

                      Maybe you picked up on something, Bernhard. We all have good ears and hear what needs to strike. You have come to a decision perhaps. I respect that.

                      But again, can't we all get along.?

                      We all the human here. Have all the opinions you want. I certainly exersise the liberty.
                      • Re: is this how the yogis teach it?

                        Wed, January 10, 2007 - 11:53 AM
                        Om and Bernard, My brothers. In, Lakech,
                        I Am to remind you that what ever or whoever pushes your 'buttons" are there for you to look at . There is a reflection . Something is being asked to be brought into balance. We all have a unique view of the Creators Works. Many pathes to the same source. I have much respect for those who have thier experiences and teachings to share here . We all are looking for validation. We do not have to agree but at least we can honor each other . It matters not where on earth It started. It all comes from the same source.We all have pieces to the puzzle and it behoves to listen to eacvh other without judgment.
                        Thank you both for being here. I am honored by the sharing of your wisdom and life experience. May Peace be with you both.

                        Ahou, Ometeotl
  • At 51:12 there is on the pedestal the text: “hinc sapientia”

    "Sapientia" is wisdom and "hinc" essentially is "from here or... a source of" so, the pedestal or area near it is a source of wisdom.

    The mem, the letter of "water" (mayim) symbolizes the fountain of the Divine Wisdom of Torah. Just as the waters of a physical fountain (spring) ascend from their unknown subterranean source (the secret of the abyss in the account of Creation) to reveal themselves on earth, so does the fountain of wisdom express the power of flow from the superconscious source. In the terminology of Kabbalah, this flow is from keter ("crown") to chochmah ("wisdom"). The stream is symbolized in Proverbs as "the flowing stream, the source of wisdom."

    In particular, we are taught that there are thirteen channels of flow from the superconscious source to the beginning of consciousness. These channels correspond to the Thirteen Attributes of Mercy revealed to Moses at Sinai, as well as to the thirteen principles of Torah exegesis, the (superrational) "logic" of Torah.

    The mem is the thirteenth letter of the alef-beit. In Kabbalah we are taught that "thirteen mems," as it were, appear in the "primordial air," the (outer) "space" into which the letter lamed soars. Each attribute of mercy is in fact a contraction of relatively Infinite wisdom, at the level of the superconscious ("waters that have no end"), in order to channel and reveal a flash of wisdom on to the "screen" of consciousness. Conscious wisdom draws its points of insight primarily from that attribute of mercy referred to in Torah as "He retains kindness for thousands of generations," whose initial letters spell the Hebrew word for "stream, "the first word in the previously quoted phrase, "the flowing stream, the source of wisdom."

    In at'bash, mem transforms to yud, the point of wisdom or revealed insight, the drop of water emerging from the fountain of the mem.

    The words for "one" (echad) and "love" (ahavah) both equal thirteen, the secret of the letter mem. The closed, final mem, the source of the fountain of wisdom connected and included within its subterranean, superconscious source, corresponds to the secret of echad, "one." The open mem, from which emerges the point (yud) of conscious insight, is the first manifestation of love (i.e., will to cling to another) in the soul. The connection between the two fountains of the mem, the "closed" fountain and the "open" fountain, is by the power of the Thirteen Divine Attributes of Mercy. This is the secret of G-d’s Essential Name Havayah - the "Name of Mercy." The Name Havayah equals 26 = 2 times 13, the union of "one" and "love," the power to draw into consciousness the wisdom of Torah.

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