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Why the world will NOT end in 2012: Nasa scientist debunks conspiracy theories
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ours.html
By Niall Firth and Claire Bates - 22nd October 2009
Skyscrapers crumble to the ground, fiery meteorites smash into Earth and a Tibetan monk cowers as a massive tidal wave swamps his mountain retreat. It is a vision of the coming apocalypse thrillingly captured in the latest Hollywood blockbuster. But fears that the world is due to end in December 2012 is just a myth fuelled by internet rumour, according to a leading Nasa scientist.
Dr David Morrison, who runs the space agency's 'Ask an Astrobiologist' service, says he has received more than a thousand emails from those worried that the world is due to end in 2012.
In an article published by the Astronomical Society of the Pacific, Dr Morrison has answered the top 20 questions in an attempt to assuage these fears.
According to the theories on the internet, the calendar used by the ancient civilisation of the Mayans is due to come to an end in December 2012. Luckily for conspiracy theorists, this coincides neatly with predictions by an obscure sci-fi author, who wrote about the ancient Mesopotamian civilization of Sumer, that a planet named Nibiru will collide with the Earth on that date.
Fears have been further inflamed by an apocalyptic film called '2012' starring John Cusack, which is out this November. A quick search on Amazon reveals there are 175 books listed that deal with 2012 doomsday.
First off Dr Morrison dismisses the possibility that the planet Nibiru even exists.
He writes: 'The bottom line is that Nibiru is a myth, with no basis in fact.
'To an astronomer, persistent claims about a planet that is "nearby" but “invisible” are just plain silly.'
And Dr Morrison laughs off suggestions that the government has been complicit in hiding its existence from the public.
'Even if they wanted to, the government could not keep Nibiru a secret,' he says.
'If it were real, it would be tracked by thousands of astronomers, amateurs as well a professional. These astronomers are spread all over the world. 'I know the astronomy community, and these scientists would not keep a secret even if ordered to. You just can’t hide a planet on its way to the inner solar system!'
He also addresses the concerns of those who worry that the Mayan calendar is due to end in 2012.
Read the full list of questions and answers here: astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-...-answers
'Ancient calendars are interesting to historians, but they cannot match the ability we have today to keep track of time, or the precision of the calendars currently in use.
'The main point, however, is that calendars, whether contemporary or ancient, cannot predict the future of our planet or warn of things to happen on a specific date such as 2012.
'I note that my desk calendar ends much sooner, on December 31 2009, but I do not interpret this as a prediction of Armageddon. It is just the beginning of a new year.'
He added although many believe prophecies by the sixteenth century seer Nostradamus predict the end of the world in 2012, there is no evidence he has correctly predicted anything.
He also tackles the belief circulating on some internet forums that an alignment of planets in our galaxy the Milky Way could in some way disrupt the Earth's gravitational field or reverse the Earth's rotation.
'A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. It has never happened and never will,' he said.
He added that although the magnetic polarity of Earth does take place around every 400,000 years scientists don't believe it will take place for another few millennia and there is no evidence it would do any harm.
Publicity for the film '2012' also comes under attack for stirring up fear about the date.
Like many Hollywood blockbusters nowadays, '2012' uses a sophisticated PR campaign which incorporates elements of 'viral' marketing.
In the trailer for the film, which plays on conspiracy theorists' fears that the truth is being somehow hidden, viewers are directed to a 'faux scientific' website.
The website purports to be the home for The Institute for Human Continuity, an entirely fictitious organisation which allows visitors to sign up for a lottery which will decide who will be saved when Armageddon comes.
'The whole 2012 disaster scenario is a hoax, fueled by ads for the Hollywood science-fiction disaster film “2012”,' he says.
'I can only hope that most people are able to distinguish Hollywood film plots from reality.'
Dr Morrison noted that a growing interest in outer space has led to a general 'cosmophobia', that is a fear of the cosmos.
He said he found people were frequently worried about the sun's magnetic field, solar storms, black holes and a rift in the Milky Way.
'Previously these would have merely been interesting astronomical ideas to explore, but now for many young people (who read misinformation about them on the web) they are objects of dread.
'This cosmophobia could be one of the worst long-term consequences of the 2012 doomsday hoax - to make people fearful of astronomy and the universe.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ours.html
By Niall Firth and Claire Bates - 22nd October 2009
Skyscrapers crumble to the ground, fiery meteorites smash into Earth and a Tibetan monk cowers as a massive tidal wave swamps his mountain retreat. It is a vision of the coming apocalypse thrillingly captured in the latest Hollywood blockbuster. But fears that the world is due to end in December 2012 is just a myth fuelled by internet rumour, according to a leading Nasa scientist.
Dr David Morrison, who runs the space agency's 'Ask an Astrobiologist' service, says he has received more than a thousand emails from those worried that the world is due to end in 2012.
In an article published by the Astronomical Society of the Pacific, Dr Morrison has answered the top 20 questions in an attempt to assuage these fears.
According to the theories on the internet, the calendar used by the ancient civilisation of the Mayans is due to come to an end in December 2012. Luckily for conspiracy theorists, this coincides neatly with predictions by an obscure sci-fi author, who wrote about the ancient Mesopotamian civilization of Sumer, that a planet named Nibiru will collide with the Earth on that date.
Fears have been further inflamed by an apocalyptic film called '2012' starring John Cusack, which is out this November. A quick search on Amazon reveals there are 175 books listed that deal with 2012 doomsday.
First off Dr Morrison dismisses the possibility that the planet Nibiru even exists.
He writes: 'The bottom line is that Nibiru is a myth, with no basis in fact.
'To an astronomer, persistent claims about a planet that is "nearby" but “invisible” are just plain silly.'
And Dr Morrison laughs off suggestions that the government has been complicit in hiding its existence from the public.
'Even if they wanted to, the government could not keep Nibiru a secret,' he says.
'If it were real, it would be tracked by thousands of astronomers, amateurs as well a professional. These astronomers are spread all over the world. 'I know the astronomy community, and these scientists would not keep a secret even if ordered to. You just can’t hide a planet on its way to the inner solar system!'
He also addresses the concerns of those who worry that the Mayan calendar is due to end in 2012.
Read the full list of questions and answers here: astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-...-answers
'Ancient calendars are interesting to historians, but they cannot match the ability we have today to keep track of time, or the precision of the calendars currently in use.
'The main point, however, is that calendars, whether contemporary or ancient, cannot predict the future of our planet or warn of things to happen on a specific date such as 2012.
'I note that my desk calendar ends much sooner, on December 31 2009, but I do not interpret this as a prediction of Armageddon. It is just the beginning of a new year.'
He added although many believe prophecies by the sixteenth century seer Nostradamus predict the end of the world in 2012, there is no evidence he has correctly predicted anything.
He also tackles the belief circulating on some internet forums that an alignment of planets in our galaxy the Milky Way could in some way disrupt the Earth's gravitational field or reverse the Earth's rotation.
'A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. It has never happened and never will,' he said.
He added that although the magnetic polarity of Earth does take place around every 400,000 years scientists don't believe it will take place for another few millennia and there is no evidence it would do any harm.
Publicity for the film '2012' also comes under attack for stirring up fear about the date.
Like many Hollywood blockbusters nowadays, '2012' uses a sophisticated PR campaign which incorporates elements of 'viral' marketing.
In the trailer for the film, which plays on conspiracy theorists' fears that the truth is being somehow hidden, viewers are directed to a 'faux scientific' website.
The website purports to be the home for The Institute for Human Continuity, an entirely fictitious organisation which allows visitors to sign up for a lottery which will decide who will be saved when Armageddon comes.
'The whole 2012 disaster scenario is a hoax, fueled by ads for the Hollywood science-fiction disaster film “2012”,' he says.
'I can only hope that most people are able to distinguish Hollywood film plots from reality.'
Dr Morrison noted that a growing interest in outer space has led to a general 'cosmophobia', that is a fear of the cosmos.
He said he found people were frequently worried about the sun's magnetic field, solar storms, black holes and a rift in the Milky Way.
'Previously these would have merely been interesting astronomical ideas to explore, but now for many young people (who read misinformation about them on the web) they are objects of dread.
'This cosmophobia could be one of the worst long-term consequences of the 2012 doomsday hoax - to make people fearful of astronomy and the universe.'
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Re: Why the world will NOT end in 2012
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 7:51 PM> Why the world will NOT end in 2012
im not sure if to be happy or sad about this .... but then again, i truly never expected the world to end anytime soon, well, unless i die, that day the world will end "for me" ....
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Wed, October 21, 2009 - 8:33 PMI'm very disappointed with Morrison and his "20 questions," which also appear in the latest issue of Skeptic Magazine.
He is totally wrong in his scenario about the origins of the 2012 hype, tracing it to Zecharia Sitchin (?) and stories of Nibiru. Those come long after the real beginnings, which can be traced much farther back.
The first association of 13.0.0.0.0 with "Armageddon" was made by archaeologist Michael Coe in 1966, when he identified December 24, 2011 as the terminal date of a Great Cycle in the first edition of his book "The Maya." That speculation became embellished with other stuff in the late 1960s and early 1970s, culminating in books that appeared in 1975 by Tony Shearer, Frank Waters, Jose Arguelles, and the McKenna brothers.
The origins of the Nibiru story can be traced to an 1883 book by Ignatius Donnelly, "Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel," which invoked a cosmic collision to explain the ancient destruction of the supposed lost continent of Atlantis, whose myth was articulated in detail in Donnelly's previous book, "Atlantis: The Antediluvian World."
The modern 2012 disaster myths are just a new incarnation of older Atlantis disaster myths, with some Theosophical astrology and musings about the ancient Maya thrown in to make it more interesting.
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 2:05 AMof course the world is not going to "end" in 2012! how many times do we have to go over this?
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 5:13 PMpp: "...and who are you and what have you done with the ramon we know who used to know this??..."
>>> It's still me, albeit a bit more cynical about our future these days. Indeed I always knew 2012 wasn't going to be the end of the world, and I merely posted the article since it was published yesterday in a big newspaper. It contains a lot of info for those interested in the physics of 2012 - or lack thereof - and sadly I've personally concluded that there's no magic to the whole thing. I'd love to conclude otherwise... and will keep an open mind...
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Re: Why the world will NOT end in 2012
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 2:17 AMjust because all new agers and mystic druggy people claiming stuff for 2012 are totally and utterly wrong doesn't mean the world won't end in 2012...
and anyway an official spiritualist survey amongst ET's and fairies and elves and ascended masters says that even if the world doesn't end in 2012 most people will probably wish it had...
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 3:29 AMof course the world wont end.
very much the opposite, once we pass through this difficult transition, there is a fantastic future ahead of us. really read James Martin's blueprint of the 21st century.
everyone thought this girl was going to be rubbish too, just like many have given up on a decent life on this earth, but this song will be the order of the day in 20 years or so,
www.youtube.com/watch
trees that are green, red roses too, i watch them bloom for me and for you, and i think to myself what a wonderful world, oh yeah, the cities are gonna go green, the air clean, and the human factor taken into account at the core structures of society, government and business.
technology will be tames and be a tool of laser precision, instead of a monster that is overriding us.
we just have to give our society and the time lines of life on this earth a bit if a chance, self and collective belief, and a little push and where there, the movements of the grand plates of geo civilization have started moving significantly already, we've had more of the bumps and earthquakes already, as we turn the corner and the dust increasingly settlers, i think many will be surprised the like what they see.
After the 30's and 40's, the 50's and 60's would have seen rather like that for many people. -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 3:43 AMyou think this kind of complex and sophisticated beauty that is mother earth just dies like that -
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www.irvinehousingblog.com/wp-co...er.jpg
veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/5975/B...50m.jpg
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no, this is just our basic structures and collective thinking getting fractured and broken up so it can re tune in and ignite a new organic, human, living complex global free structure that can survive our growth better in harmony with what we are rooted in, earth.
when we harmonise with earth and nature physically, practically, we will harmonise with our natural instincts and inner spiritual rhythms, and cultural wavelengths better also.
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 3:48 AMnature is stress...
The wheel of the quivering meat conception
Turns in the void expelling human beings,
Pigs, turtles, frogs, insects, nits,
Mice, lice, lizards, rats, roan
Racinghorses, poxy bucolic pigtics,
Horrible unnameable lice of vultures,
Murderous attacking dog-armies
Of Africa, Rhinos roaming in the jungle,
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors,
Pones and Porcupines and Pills—
All the endless conception of living beings
Gnashing everywhere in Consciousness
Throughout the ten directions of space
Occupying all the quarters in & out,
From supermicroscopic no-bug
To huge Galaxy Lightyear Bowell
Illuminating the sky of one Mind—
Poor! I wish I was free
Of the slaving meat wheel
and safe in heaven dead
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 3:51 AM<nature is stress... >
stress AND harmony, and boy do i love it, of course when we enhance and harmonise with it, as in a beautiful Persian rose garden for example, we heighten the wavelength we harmonise with -
stress and harmony in seeing, knowing, and connecting -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 3:52 AM(we the emphasis on harmonising of course, lol) -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 4:02 AMa new step up to global awareness, harmonising, marrying with the organic and nature, raised conciousness, and technology flys us off to higher worlds as we embrace mother nature with respect with it. -
this picture is so beautiful
nasa, earth and sun -
chamorrobible.org/images/ph...medium.jpg
www.youtube.com/watch
campus.udayton.edu/mary//im...elite.jpg
the blueprint for all this is in James Martins 21st century, with the Da Vinci Code, you just got to overlap it a bit and maybe throw in a bit Aludus Huxley too, of course it will be most likely pretty different in reality, but its good to have a bit of vision. -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 4:17 AMthis picture is so beautiful
kinda looks like an airfix kit that's had a photoshop filter applied...
www.youtube.com/watch
newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/hea...19149.stm
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 4:07 AMyeah of course if you're stoned in a pleasure garden getting touched up by tantric maidens then life might seem ok for a few minutes...
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 3:21 AM<yeah of course if you're stoned in a pleasure garden getting touched up by tantric maidens then life might seem ok for a few minutes... >
oh, you know my secret then. -
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 3:44 AMyou have a secret...?
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 5:38 AM<well maybe you could try selling it... ;)>
people already have, but the problem is people don't always buy what's good for them. Ask McDonald's, they know about that. -
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 7:34 AMso you're saying you have a secret you're willing to sell that would be good for people but they aren't likely to want it because they prefer macdonalds...? -
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 12:29 PM>>> It's still me, albeit a bit more cynical about our future these days
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Re: Why the world will NOT end in 2012
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 2:50 PM>>>Why the world will NOT end in 2012
try telling this to all the people who's bodies die that year.
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:43 AMHe said he found people were frequently worried about the sun's magnetic field, solar storms, black holes and a rift in the Milky Way.
'Previously these would have merely been interesting astronomical ideas to explore, but now for many young people (who read misinformation about them on the web) they are objects of dread.
sounds like He's in denial to me
does he think science has proved the universe is a 'nice' place?
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:48 AMthey are objects of dread
....not really
but let's be realistic..... , **** happens
the science is out there to show things are changing dramatically in a way that could be problematic for us in many ways, and you don't have to look at astronomy to see it, or focus on any specific date to say 'it will happen then'. It's allready happening.
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Re: Why the world will NOT end in 2012
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:49 AMif you can't see it, or even just feel it in your bones....like the animals that ran up the hill before a tsunami hits...you're as good as blind, deaf and dumb. -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:51 AMthere's healthy fear....like the heightened awareness you get driving in the fog...and there's dread
the latter is what we are told we must feel.....that's the propoganda.
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 11:10 AM>if you can't see it, or even just feel it in your bones....like the animals that ran up the hill before a tsunami hits...you're as good as blind, deaf and dumb.<
aw no.. that's like tellin a starving person not to bother eating an apple core cos it's never going to fill them up anyway.. or something -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 11:28 AM
we can pontificate until the cows come home.
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