http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9753f51e-f7c9-4e8f-bb6d-33aac8b5df07 i'm guessing yes. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:57:36 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9753f51e-f7c9-4e8f-bb6d-33aac8b5df07 embrace 2007-09-10T18:57:36Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#28375f3b-fbff-402c-84b7-79d6d9a2fd28 maybe? Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:09:12 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#28375f3b-fbff-402c-84b7-79d6d9a2fd28 bliss 2007-09-10T15:09:12Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#010dabd4-9923-494f-b5d1-8e0f6137dd72 you degenerate! lol Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:45:34 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#010dabd4-9923-494f-b5d1-8e0f6137dd72 embrace 2007-09-10T06:45:34Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#ae851b82-7708-46bc-bfc6-607d28dfd377 I think I'm just disturbed because it turned me on. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:49:10 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#ae851b82-7708-46bc-bfc6-607d28dfd377 michael 2007-09-10T05:49:10Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#805085d8-0cce-4a6c-96f1-340ed4c000dc "Well if Jesus did cum - it would be in the spirit of pushing the envelope. This archetype is not one to settle on conventional themes." Well said. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:21:12 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#805085d8-0cce-4a6c-96f1-340ed4c000dc $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-10T04:21:12Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#139cc852-1b0d-4672-b117-52d3b0e11cb6 i was making a joke by saying tasteless yet again! lol you keep getting up in arms about it but i find the entire thing amusing and i'm playing with you, but are you still in good humor? i can't tell any more Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:08:28 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#139cc852-1b0d-4672-b117-52d3b0e11cb6 embrace 2007-09-10T04:08:28Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#ea473f16-4c4a-41fb-8fb6-5a3423cdead2 Well if Jesus did cum - it would be in the spirit of pushing the envelope. This archetype is not one to settle on conventional themes. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:05:50 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#ea473f16-4c4a-41fb-8fb6-5a3423cdead2 Steven 2007-09-10T04:05:50Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#311775d1-e806-49cb-ada2-e18c7c5a5ec4 * yawn * . . . . . Thank you Ferrara, I agree. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:02:42 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#311775d1-e806-49cb-ada2-e18c7c5a5ec4 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-10T04:02:42Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#aba731ee-3f38-4d7e-ad39-3ae356238e81 "the comment that began this banter, what picture do you think? oh the jesus dildo picture? now you're just trying to be sensational and tacking a euro versus yank spin. you're just looking to fight one of stupid up tight norte americanos i can tell." lol!!..take it easy there, I'm not trying to be sensational or making it into a euro vs. yank spin. There are lame and prude people in eroupe as well. I was just remembering the whole incident and it reminded me of this post here, where people take things way too serious .That's all. You are reading way too much into it and projecting a lot about what you think my intentions are. Maybe you should check yourself what it is in you that disturbs you in that image or what it is that makes it tastesless according to your beliefs? Just a suggestion, no offense. You give meaning to it. Not I or the image. The image is just an image. You read into it whatever you want. To me it looks like Jesus and Christ are having a blast. Is it wrong because it's homosexual or sex is bad? What is tasteless/wrong about that? Maybe we should look into the topic of sex and religion and how dogmatic religions have done their best to supress sexuality and turn it into something "bad", "dirty" and "tasteless"? That was also the whole point of the Hicks quote. People read meanings into symbols/things and give it meaning according to their belief systems, which are not even their own, but were/are conditioned into them. Some people laugh about it, some find it tasteless, infantile, some get offended and some couldn't care less. Now who is the judge of what it is? Who is the "I" that divides likes and dislikes, tastefull and tasteless? Let's go a bit deeper with ti all and we may come to some revelations. There is opportunity to learn from everything. For clarification, here is my intention: I think these pics are funny, they crack me up, so I post them here to lighten people up a bit. End of story. Jesus Fucking Christ? That image? I think it's hilarious! Sorry!! I never thought of that until I saw it. It's ingenious!! Maybe we should change the topic subject into "The cuming of Jesus..."? Intersting how much atttention this thread is getting now... I guess I pushed some buttons here. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:01:07 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#aba731ee-3f38-4d7e-ad39-3ae356238e81 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-10T04:01:07Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#df28894b-ebb4-416a-b99b-d3191cb8cd1f okay, i just saw the crucifix dildo picture and it's funnier with your intro but truly tasteless! lol Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:33:46 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#df28894b-ebb4-416a-b99b-d3191cb8cd1f embrace 2007-09-10T03:33:46Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9a3346a3-6669-41c3-9e24-5c921ef51a95 that's not fair! i love novelas! Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:31:42 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9a3346a3-6669-41c3-9e24-5c921ef51a95 embrace 2007-09-10T03:31:42Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#3226a3d2-4b0b-4b55-a7d6-6971d7901254 can someone tell me, when a thread gets bumped from the bottom of the list, is it gone? are they archived anywhere? thanks. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:27:40 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#3226a3d2-4b0b-4b55-a7d6-6971d7901254 Z 2007-09-10T03:27:40Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#79a8a7c1-c3fd-4dd1-91be-ba0101492d93 This thread is worse than the cheapest soap on the shittiest TV channel. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:21:07 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#79a8a7c1-c3fd-4dd1-91be-ba0101492d93 Auton 2007-09-10T03:21:07Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#b3cc86ac-fcdc-487e-80d2-b54d28516493 lol Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:17:16 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#b3cc86ac-fcdc-487e-80d2-b54d28516493 embrace 2007-09-10T03:17:16Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#b67fe879-2050-40bb-98b2-1afe2f63b683 * yawn * . . . . . Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:16:00 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#b67fe879-2050-40bb-98b2-1afe2f63b683 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-10T03:16:00Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#24e38c99-9f5a-4c61-aaf6-3d803800e893 the comment that began this banter, what picture do you think? oh the jesus dildo picture? now you're just trying to be sensational and tacking a euro versus yank spin. you're just looking to fight one of stupid up tight norte americanos i can tell. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:09:42 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#24e38c99-9f5a-4c61-aaf6-3d803800e893 embrace 2007-09-10T03:09:42Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#74193938-06cc-4d1e-8406-e96ae6a990c3 Woah! I was about to say that in my own words! Thanks for saving the keystrokes, my keyboard bows to u! 8) Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:55:07 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#74193938-06cc-4d1e-8406-e96ae6a990c3 Nick 2007-09-10T02:55:07Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9fd24061-db6c-4395-94c3-ecfe0576ba54 " that doesn't make that picture tasteful." Taste is a personal preferance and how can you argue about taste? which pic are you talking about anyway? In case it is the Jesus Dildo (LOL!!), I personally think it's actually a great piece of art and very well crafted. The cross, Jesus and penis all one piece, looks very smooth, promising to feel rather good. I'm not sure if it's wood or metal and I also don't know who is the artist. Someone (actually a girl) posted it on my myspace site years ago and I was laughing my ass off! Damn, some of you are uptight...but then again, I forgot, it's the country where a whole nation got upset because Janet Jackson exposed her breast during the super bowl a couple of years ago. What a tasteless act!! Shame on her!!! Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:51:05 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9fd24061-db6c-4395-94c3-ecfe0576ba54 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-10T02:51:05Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#29e48070-0ea8-4196-87a9-322b8e31d773 "A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross? It's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant." - Bill Hicks fantastic quote! Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:31:03 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#29e48070-0ea8-4196-87a9-322b8e31d773 embrace 2007-09-10T02:31:03Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#cc76e29f-5e09-4fcb-96bf-92f935cbb374 i beg your pardon, tasteless jokes can be very funny and political and religious parody are signs of an as yet free society. that doesn't make that picture tasteful. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:24:32 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#cc76e29f-5e09-4fcb-96bf-92f935cbb374 embrace 2007-09-10T02:24:32Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#80f8e59a-1c5a-4791-b21a-1dbffce0476b Hmmmm...more infantile than offensive. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:13:23 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#80f8e59a-1c5a-4791-b21a-1dbffce0476b M.Parisi 2007-09-10T02:13:23Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#e567ec91-8f03-46bc-ade5-5ed4efaa503c 'offensive'... 'sensitive'... 'poor taste'...???? are you serious? or are ya'll just bored? keep the jesus jokes coming by all means. perhaps we'll frighten off these wankers. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:54:43 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#e567ec91-8f03-46bc-ade5-5ed4efaa503c davidsjelly 2007-09-10T01:54:43Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#2c2dad1a-671d-43fe-82c1-437d1fbcc465 religion, schmigion. just another way to control people. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:52:23 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#2c2dad1a-671d-43fe-82c1-437d1fbcc465 travis 2007-09-10T01:52:23Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#54635325-a6cd-4e7c-b135-19dc58d59bd3 That's your opinion embrace. Just like it is Bernhard's, Ferrara's, myself and others find it to be, in fact, funny. It might have been in poor taste to post all these in a devout christian tribe, but that's something else, ain't it? -N Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:47:07 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#54635325-a6cd-4e7c-b135-19dc58d59bd3 Nathan 2007-09-10T01:47:07Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#34185e9e-3597-423f-a354-05f1a9e3897f it was funny. but it was in poor taste. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:30:25 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#34185e9e-3597-423f-a354-05f1a9e3897f embrace 2007-09-09T23:30:25Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#3f09896b-c7bf-4bfd-9281-dcf67a914651 "It's not about Jesus getting offended.... I just felt for Marco, being sensitive and all that. Unless of course you know him?" I have no idea who he is. Since you don't know him as well, how do you know he's offended or sensitive? What feelings are you projecting into him? Maybe he's just making a joke about Jesus himself with his post and laughing about anyone who thinks that Jesus is coming back as a person?....and even if he's a serious Jesus follower/beliefer, sorry, It's a JOKE. Come on!! It's a joke about something/someone that is not very real to begin with, so maybe it's a good hint to look at the issue of "Jesus" and his "history" and question dogmatic religion? In any way, lighten up people! Here something for the lonely Christian wife: I'd call it "make love with Jesus": http://www.revolvemusic.com/jackhammer.jpg In regards to the Jesus figure, here some well done research that goes even deeper than the segement presented in ZEITGEIST (actually it is mentioned as on of the sources): http://www.gnosticmedia.com http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8700041490363244845&hl=en Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:03:23 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#3f09896b-c7bf-4bfd-9281-dcf67a914651 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-09T23:03:23Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#97948701-a884-4d6f-abf8-a2f4a8bdd320 It's not about Jesus getting offended.... I just felt for Marco, being sensitive and all that. Unless of course you know him? Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:30:21 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#97948701-a884-4d6f-abf8-a2f4a8bdd320 Lana 2007-09-09T22:30:21Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#38b4fea0-9f0f-404d-8c76-8a58a5ea5287 http://jesus-christ.signgenerator.net/ Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:23:49 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#38b4fea0-9f0f-404d-8c76-8a58a5ea5287 @leksonder 2007-09-09T22:23:49Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#4b70f3fe-0f1e-4de0-b471-13f414705400 "Yea Bernard.... why the imagery?" 'cause I think it's funny, that's all. And even more interesting is to see people's reaction to it and how some take it all and themselves a bit too serious. "A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross? It's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant." - Bill Hicks Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:12:32 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#4b70f3fe-0f1e-4de0-b471-13f414705400 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-09T22:12:32Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#b87ee1ab-5359-4015-aedc-1004a14f7ebc "We are living in the Kali Yuga. Of course we would find it funny. We have lost contact with the sacred. Everything is a commodity - to be exploited and used." I'm pretty much in touch with the sacred, especially in connection to nature and my daily spiritual practices of meditaion, qi gong, yoga and prayer. Don't need no savior to light my way. Thank you. Also feel free to make fun about shamanism, yoga, qi gong or whatever I'm into. Sorry, but you gotta be able to laugh about yourself. In the end it's a joke and I think it's fuckin' funny. It cracks me up. I'm sure "Jesus" can laugh about himself (we know the "story" about Jesus not being an actual person but a symbol for the sun) and enlightened since he probably has no ego which could get offended. Here some other ones which just cracked me up...sent to me by Ferrara (sorry in case you tried to stay incognito here, but it's too funny!!) http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e188/ferrarabrainpan/spitorswallow.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e188/ferrarabrainpan/christsdunkindonuts.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e188/ferrarabrainpan/brb.jpg "At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally, least of all, ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey, comes to a halt." - The Hopi Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:05:43 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#b87ee1ab-5359-4015-aedc-1004a14f7ebc $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-09T22:05:43Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9e9ac457-87a8-40cd-b4d2-07a63a82e249 Yea Bernard.... why the imagery? Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:51:14 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#9e9ac457-87a8-40cd-b4d2-07a63a82e249 Lana 2007-09-09T21:51:14Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#508e3305-0104-4801-9f79-5802fc2b3bae ohreally Jeri? you are 'personally' offended by this joke? who's fucking who? get over yourself. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:38:02 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#508e3305-0104-4801-9f79-5802fc2b3bae davidsjelly 2007-09-09T21:38:02Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#05767354-87a6-4020-be83-4cd5ce44abd9 You aren't seriously offended by that are you? Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:33:58 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#05767354-87a6-4020-be83-4cd5ce44abd9 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-09T21:33:58Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#f7ee9779-6e96-46b3-8190-e537eccd17c4 We are living in the Kali Yuga. Of course we would find it funny. We have lost contact with the sacred. Everything is a commodity - to be exploited and used. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:29:34 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#f7ee9779-6e96-46b3-8190-e537eccd17c4 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-09T21:29:34Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#22f128b0-f07b-436d-b970-147fe882efcd What would Jesus do? Would he take him self seriously? or with a smile? *Thankyou I'll be here all weekend* Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:13:25 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#22f128b0-f07b-436d-b970-147fe882efcd Nick 2007-09-09T20:13:25Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#758715c5-1a73-4a38-8fd0-88e319f68f09 I thought it was pretty funny. Of course I could see how people might be offended.. but I'm of the ilk that if you can't roll with the jokes, you're taking yourself too seriously. ;) -N Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:02:36 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#758715c5-1a73-4a38-8fd0-88e319f68f09 Nathan 2007-09-09T20:02:36Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#568f2025-e50d-41ae-acf8-021d2287462e Personally quite offended by your post Bernhard. I try to be mindful and respectful of the sacredness of other people's beliefs. Even if I don't agree with them. Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:09:54 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#568f2025-e50d-41ae-acf8-021d2287462e $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-09T19:09:54Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#091fe001-651d-4862-b2b9-ff616d50a022 he's a bit busy right now....... http://www.revolvemusic.com/jesuschrist.jpg :-) Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:07:03 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#091fe001-651d-4862-b2b9-ff616d50a022 $item.owner.firstName 2007-09-09T16:07:03Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#a588980e-f7a4-4f50-9958-adc49e3c5f14 it is!!!! Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:54:23 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#a588980e-f7a4-4f50-9958-adc49e3c5f14 Donna 2007-09-09T15:54:23Z http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#2cf61882-e3d3-4148-8e93-2a6796e12bd9 maybe it is .. or not .. hehe Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:59:05 GMT http://2012.tribe.net/thread/36fd5d2c-5188-4de5-8fa5-988098ed3995#2cf61882-e3d3-4148-8e93-2a6796e12bd9 Mrc 2007-09-09T04:59:05Z