USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

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Canada sounds pretty safe right about now.

Dang, what a mess. The Big Bankers are doing their job huh, to rule the world?

Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root has been awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security for construction of detention and processing facilities to be made ready in the event of a national emergency. Brown and Root has been part of the Skull and Bones nexus since its inception at the turn of last century. Like Halliburton, it has grown fat on blood-money gleaned through decades of perpetual war, including the present conflagration in the Middle East.

If the fascists batten down totalitarian power domestically, Kellogg, Brown and Root will likely profit immensely from the erection and maintenance of such prison camps expected to dot the land of the free if the fascists launch a military takeover.

Homeland Security camps could be bulging at the seams overnight when the U.S. falls under "emergency" military rule. Indeed, the foregoing shows the Bush administration is preparing for this eventuality. The U.S. already has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world. During martial law, when no one is free to move around at will, just about EVERYONE is under a form of "house" arrest. Americans got a taste of this grim future when, during the 2004 Republican National Convention protests when 1,806 demonstrators were rounded up, imprisoned without charges and kept in filthy conditions for 24 hours or more.

The Real ID Act passed by Congress in December 2005 completely solidified Ellison’s ID plan. This new law establishes a massive, centrally-coordinated federal ID database. It forces all 50 states to spend millions of dollars to update their equipment so that by 2008, all holders of U.S. drivers licenses and state licensed ID cards will have their biometric data and other personal information fed directly into the national data base. Congressman Paul says the new ID cards will likely contain radio frequency identification tracking technology that can be read by scanners at a distance, allowing the governments of U.S., Canada and Mexico to quickly locate any card-bearing American.

National ID cards are only the beginning. America’s fascist police state is demonstrably anxious to ensure that each citizen have his identification number permanently attached to his body. For many years, U.S. intelligence agencies have been working with private corporations and covens of scientists from Princeton University and other enclaves to develop subdermal radio frequency devices that can be injected under the skin of humans for identification purposes. Syringe implantable ID transponders were readied years ago, as illustrated by the prototype fully developed in 1995 by CIA-connected Hughes Aircraft Company.

While many European nations are also setting up electronic identity systems as a foundation for future ID chip implants, it is especially pertinent that ADS has been given a prestigious award for its sinister implant technology by the World Economic Forum (WEF).

WEF is a clique of wealthy corporate and political elitists who dictate global agendas. One of its most famous members is Bill Gates of Microsoft. Gates travels the world spending millions to promote injections for people of Third World nations. ID microchip implants are the mother of all injections. Microsoft recently patented a way to use human skin as a power conduit for electronic devices.

Another is the VeriPay device which carries financial information and is scanned like a debit card. People in Europe are now being implanted with VeriPay chips in order to enter bars and nightclubs.

So far, these kinds of chips are passive. That is, they don’t beam information continuously. Their transponders have to be awakened by a reader. These chips and their scanners pass kilohertz radio-frequency signals back and forth through the skin. The first step to inducing public acceptance of these ID chips, said San Francisco Gate columnist Mark Morford, is getting the public to accept chip implants as beneficial for health. The next step is to make it all fun and commercial and convenient. The third step is "whatever the hell they want."

As injectable ID chips come on line, Homeland Security is paying numerous corporations to develop a national network of object-mounted wireless sensors that will be able to read implanted human chips.

In the Homeland Security state, microchip implants of various kinds will likely become as common as cell phones. Eventually, citizens who refuse to accept identification chips may be denied access to services and benefits by heel-clickers supervising the national ID system. And thus we see how cleverly Americans are being manipulated into this crucible by killers in the White House, and by the most corrupt Congress in history and by the amoral, money-grubbing corporate megalith they all rode in on. In the name of national security and public health—millions of non-discerning citizens will allow themselves to be micro-chipped like dogs, tracked by satellite and stripped of all privacy as they become the virtual slaves of a techno-tyrannical surveillance state.

If we want to know what USA will be like in the near future, we need only look at Tony Blair’s Great Britain—surely the most advanced police state in Europe:

• ID cards with facial scans will soon be compulsory throughout U.K.

• There are over 4 million closed circuit cameras monitoring every move the British people make and all faces caught on camera can be matched with a national data bank.

• British police are carrying hand held DNA kits linked to national data bases for when they test saliva.

• People are being pulled off London trains at random and forced to submit to a full body backscatter X-ray to reveal what they have under their clothes.

• Swipe cards used for transportation and building entry allow police to plot a citizen’s every move on a dot map.

• All moving vehicles in Britain are camera-recorded so that police can analyze, by license number, every journey, and every gas purchase made.

• People and vehicles are being tracked from cell towers with a new technology called "Celldar" (as in radar).

• The British people are reporting grave illnesses from their exposure to thousands of microwave transmitters which make this metastasizing surveillance nightmare possible.





www.proliberty.com/observer/20060201.htm
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    Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 4:28 AM
    I'm leaving in September....I just keep hoping it doesn't happen before then...

    I think that to say "becoming" is an understatement, though...

    America is controlled by corperations.
    America is already sinking into martial law.
    American Nationalism rivals that of Nazi Germany.
    America's foreign policy is aggressive and imperialistic for the benefit of corporations.
    America is willing to use any means necessary to get what it wants and eliminate all threats to its power...imagined and real...but there are no real threats...
    Americans will not stand up and do anything about it because they're comfortable.
    • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 7:36 AM
      You said it, Mic.
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        Sat, April 15, 2006 - 7:46 AM
        Even my best friends call me paranoid about microwave towers and cell phones, but people: Get rid of your cell phones!

        They have practically been given away for free, so that everyone has one so that more towers need to be built. They are scientifically proved to cause brain tumors--children should NEVER use them. They have all these features to keep you entertained and oblivious, while having the capability of tracking you and being used as a weapon that, as the article says, you willingly point at your own head!

        From the article:

        "If you feel a creeping allergy to the fascism we have documented here, you can do something about it now. Make the choice right now to keep microwave-driven wireless devices as far away from your body as you can get them. These devices include all wireless telephones—both cell and household cordless—plus wireless computers, headphones and all other gadgets empowered by megahertz or gigahertz frequencies. If you must use wireless phones for business or emergencies, use speaker phones only. Never put a wireless device on your body, least of all near your precious brain. You are going to NEED a brain to survive—and ultimately defeat—fascist America.

        Microwave transmitters are not toys; they are weapons. Brother’s wireless revolution has induced millions of fools to voluntarily point these weapons at their own heads. The wireless revolution is not only about money, it is about control. It is about acclimatizing the masses to accept the dehumanizing parameters of Orwellian surveillance."
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          Sat, April 15, 2006 - 8:45 AM
          these are popular around here, everyones a distributor, well, not me, but i could if i want!

          www.emxbiochip.com
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            Sat, April 15, 2006 - 9:02 AM
            I work with wireless communications systems every day, including microwave and VHF/UHF systems, and I've been an RF/radio buff for 15+ years. I can tell you all hype over cell phone dangers is complete bull crap. Things like the "EMX BioChip" are complete quackery, and/or ignorance, and/or fraud.
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              Sat, April 15, 2006 - 12:31 PM
              James:

              Actually its not.... your just insensitive to it and defensive of this because that is what you do. DO you receive headaches? I am sure you do. Your electromagnetic frequency is very sensitive yet withstanding of alot of abuse.... and its ok, people thought that HAARP was a fraud too, until it became so invasive and spotted that the government had to admit to this station and say it was for our own good, disguised as some reaserch site.

              People thought that it was quackery when someone said "the Earth is round". Truth is truth. Whether you want to see what is before you is up to you.

              These things are happening.
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                Sat, April 15, 2006 - 1:41 PM
                No, I don't get headaches.

                Truth IS truth, and facts are facts, but there are neither in the save-us-from-the-cell phone hysteria.

                Just follow the money and you'll see the light.
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                  Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

                  Sat, April 15, 2006 - 3:03 PM
                  James....

                  Oh ok.... just follow the money and we will be safe right? Even if we have to lie about it?
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                    Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

                    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 3:12 PM
                    I'm not sure we're on the same wavelength here. What I'm getting at is...follow the money and you'll find a connection between those trying to convince you about cell phone dangers and some sort of snake oil anti-radiation product you can buy to make it all better. Either that, or they're part of the tin foil hat crowd.
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      Thu, April 20, 2006 - 6:16 AM
      so actually you are now redeemed ,Mic
      from 5 to 20 yers recent estimation
      [as you mentioned elsewhere ,not very long ago ]
      to this september , wow !
      a fast improvement ....congratulations ..
      do you think that the fact that you'll leave will improve situations ?

      * Americans will not stand up and do anything about it because they're comfortable.*
      or because they leave
  • Becoming?

    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 6:38 AM
    you use the word "becoming" as if it hasn't happened already....
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      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 9:05 AM
      "Americans will not stand up and do anything about it because they're comfortable."

      So true...the conformity, denial and Ignorance is quite astonishing. Whenever I try to initiate a converation about what is happening in the world, the phony war on terrorism, the lies abput 9/11, etc.....people just look irritated and try to change the subject..........and most of the folks I talk talk to argue for their limitiations and defend the prison they live in. I have to quote V here from V for Vendetta here :" I f you want to see the reason for the state of the world and in this country then you just have to look into the mirror".

      "you use the word "becoming" as if it hasn't happened already...."

      Yes, it had already happened a long time ago. It's just becoming more obvious. There has neve been such thing as democracy. The choice to choose between Democrats and Republicans is the best sold illusion ever. There has never been such choice because at the top they both serve the same people and the same aganda.......and THAT is the hardest pill to swallow for any anverage Amercican........that they've been @#$%ed up the ass for as long as this country exists basically. History as taught in public schools is pure brainwashing and serves just to re-enforce the illusion of freedom. Voting won't bring any change whatsoever. The best way to control a people is to give them two options and control both sides of them.
      ...ever wondered why Clintion is hanging out with Daddy Bush so much?
      There is no such thing as a country/nation anymore. This is just the lie for the little people in order to give them something to believe in and then they re-enforce their self-constructed prison through naive beliefs such as Patriotism and Nationalism on one hand and Religion on the other. There are only cooperations at the top. The nation thing is just the cover-up.

      Leaving the country sounds like a great idea......have been contemplating on it for the past year.......the house of cards will topple eventually........South America keeps coming up for me........closer to nature.

      Don't see yourself as an Amercian, European, Arab, Jew, Christian, Moslem, or whatever.......don't take sides with Republicans, Democrats or Liberals..........let go of any identificaion with any Party, Nation, Flag or Religion. That is true freedom. It is a state of mind. If we want to evolve our consciounsess then we must let go of such outdated beliefs and concepts. Stop following any from of authority or leadership. Anything else just re-enforces this Matrix and time-loop we're in.
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      Re: Becoming?

      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 9:05 AM
      Well.... thats true ok.... but the FULL on engagement hasn't really happened yet. People still have freedom of speech and are not being rounded up in concentration camps yet.

      (sigh).... what deep times we are in.

      I trust that our love will prevail and Babylon will fall fast for the sake of all the lovely peaceful people. It is sooo eerie.... how some people have already recieved chip implants in their skin, and sooo eerie that thats what Revelations talks about in the bible. I am not religious but, its just kindof uncanny.

      hm
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        Sat, April 15, 2006 - 9:47 AM
        half of that about the uk is fibs or propaganda. the cameras are for spotting thieves, kiddie snatchers and speeders. most of that written is just anti-criminal. we still don't have guns on police patrol unless requested. maybe that just shows off the apathy too.

        yay for comfortable! I don't think many people care because it don't really affect them. and the amount of data they drag in is only worth analysing when needed, unless the shadow government has millions of agents watching everything you do. how dull.
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          Sat, April 15, 2006 - 10:33 AM
          "Well.... thats true ok.... but the FULL on engagement hasn't really happened yet. People still have freedom of speech and are not being rounded up in concentration camps yet."

          FULL on engagement has happened thousands of years ago already with the invention of Nations and Religions.
          If you look at it closely, then you will see that our "freedom" is carefully designed and doesn't keep "them" from doing whatever they want to do. Look at the millions who protested agianst the war in Iraq....... The folks at the top couldn't care less what you and I think............and wiithin a month or two Iran will be next, no matter what protests are going on. The problem with protest is that most people who go there think they've done something by participating in a protest and then they go back to their regular lives, doing as they've alwasy done, living by the same beliefs hey had for decades. Sometimes I see funny stickers on cars....like "Peace is Patrioitic"
          Peace is NOT Patriotic. Patriotsim is a disease which breed conflicts/separation through identifiaction with a flag/country.
          The reality we live in and whcih we agree upon is a very carfefully designed matrix held in check by our collective beliefs and thoughts. Change those beliefs and thoughts and reality will change. But no protest or free speech will do anything until we go to the root of the problem and weed it out, which is our basic belief system , which is being re-enforceed through Education, Media and Government.
          Another axample is "Support our troops" What the...? What about the troops of the other countries? And why support people who choose to go to war by joining the army in the first place? You join the army, you're a hired killer, and you might die "defending" your "country", that's basically it. It's in the contract. I'm so tired of hearing how many soldiers dies while no one mentions the civilians.
          The soldires are just mind control victims themselves, as they fight for lie in the first place.
          .......or people talk about "Are WE going to invade Iran as well?" Who is "we"?.....We, the American people? Don't count me in. Is there going to be one point in our evilution when we stop identifying ourselves with concepts like a "Nation"?
          Then people choose a party: left, right or liberal, whcih just re-enforces the whole illusion even more, etc, etc.......

          What I'm talking about is fundamental belief systems we've been brainwashed with for thousands of years which we hold on to and which keep re-enforcing this matrix no matter what we do or say.
          This matrix is an amazing design and most people, especially here in the US, who think they're free are not free at all. It's the best control ever. Looking at it objectively, it's the best story ever told. Much respect to whi came up with it.......maybe they're not from this planet/Dimension anyway. But that would be a whole new can of worms and people seem to be to stuck in 3D to contemplate on the hyperdimensional aspect of reality and the beings that roam in there.


          "The ultimate tyranny in a society is not control by martial law. It is control by the psychological manipulation of consciousness, through which reality is defined so that those who exist within it do not even realize that they are in prison. They do not even realize that there is something outside of where they exist.
          You have been controlled like sheep in a pen by those who think they own you — from the government to the 'World Management Team' to those in space. You have been deprived of knowledge by frequency control. Think of frequency as individual broadcasting and receiving through which you dial into the station of your choice. It is the broadcasting of carrier waves of intelligence. The range of frequency is unlimited, and the range of intelligent matter transmitted is unlimited.
          The countdown during this fleeting moment of time is known by many. The World Management Team who currently influences your planet is composed of of a cluster of families, a few thousand people in number. They rule the industries of banking, media, education, and the distribution of knowledge all over your globe, and it is they, a handful of people, who challenge your freedom. They are connected through their thoughts to other entities, just as you are. The difference is they know it, and you do not for the most part, so they use their tools and techniques to connect you to the entities that they wish to feed.
          The idea of invisible vampires is not unknown. Remember the Gods take all forms, and they come in to teach you and to fulfill their own destiny, which is to learn. How you learn and what lessons you attract in living will be determined by how quickly you learn the lessons in front of you right now. If the energy of the cosmos treats you to a great opportunity to love and forgive, and you do not take it, then you can be certain that you will have the opportunity to face that one again until you get it."

          "Bringers of the Dawn", Barbara Marciniak

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            Sat, April 15, 2006 - 11:35 AM
            yep.... check this out: .>>> informationclearinghouse.info/art....htm
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              Sat, April 15, 2006 - 11:37 AM
              The same control systems that are used to "catch terrorists" and "prevent crime" are also there to control the rest of us, and to make us afraid and thinking that we need them to take our freedom away for our own protection.
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                Sat, April 15, 2006 - 12:27 PM
                and that creates a catch22 mindloop. which is a useless perception.
                don't drive fast in built-up areas. don't fiddle with kids. don't steal etc...
                seems fair enough. the only thing that fences folk in around here at night are drunken yobs. no doubt zomby puppets whose black strings are pulled by the 3rd reich police force that arrest them or something.
                if that is the case then leave em to it. more mindless cirlces.

                I don't see why decent folk have any need to feel afraid by these systematic social annoyances. the same way I don't know why generally passive neighbourhood surveillance systems get touted as some orwellian anachronism.
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            Sat, April 15, 2006 - 12:20 PM
            Thing is, Bernhard, its all well and good...what you say speaks truely, and there is a very small percentage of society that can grasp the concept...and though we, the individuals that see through layers of the ruse do gravitate together.... I, being a nihilist and cynic, do not see an evolution of the masses coming any time soon. As you yourself say, and I agree, "we" have been brainwashed for thousands of years.... As long as history has been written there has always been some sort of "master" group..."ubermaan" whatever you want to call it... Not to sound too Nietzschian...but thats just the way it is...there are the good and the bad...masters and slaves...and then there are those rare few who exist outside of that context...and they are the ones, those who refuse to fall into the "typical catagorization," that exists as threats to the status quo...to the setup of the whole "master/slave" dynamic... Thing is, as I see it...even when those extraneous deviations from the norm succeed in imposing their view on the masses...they themselves become the masters...and all too often stagnate and grow corrupted themselves...

            We can talk of evolution, revolution, enlightenment, whatever you want to call it... How much does can we really expect to change the worlds as those who tend to reject "it"?


            (and this may sound like two trains of though...but thats because I got caught up doing some spring cleaning halfway through it..was going to not even post anything...but decided, what the hell...)

            Its the struggle....how much trouble is "awakening" the public worth? Seems like all the social deviants who change the world wind up dead....
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              Sat, April 15, 2006 - 12:37 PM
              Well thank God for people like Ghandi, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, JF Kennedy, Jesus etc....

              Waves make a difference.... even the tiniest wave of a butterfly. So when peoples conscisounes are being opened....THAT certainly makes a difference.

              Why be afraid to speak up?
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                Sat, April 15, 2006 - 1:08 PM
                theres a difference between speaking up a bit and insistant spoon feeding. and who said believing in subversive governmental mind control tactics had anything to do with consciousness opening. could just be a stretch on a thorny road. I gots too many friends and relatives hooked on them.
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              Sat, April 15, 2006 - 1:01 PM
              good point Mic.
              You mention some points I've been contemplating as well.
              Here a good article I came around the other day at www.montalk.net (excellent site!)

              Puppet People
              by Carissa Conti

              When one takes a closer look at the things we do in life and the way that we do them, how many of us ever realize that were only given a few options to choose from with any given thing? Where are our alternate options to pick from when it comes to our money system, for example? For education? For our government? Everything is set up and in place before were born, and then we arrive on the scene and pick up where our parents left off, without missing a beat, and in turn pass this along to our own children. Theres compulsory education for twelve years, then you attend college, get a degree, land a safe job, accumulate and use illusory money thats backed by nothing, buy cars that you see advertised on T.V., rent an apartment or buy a house / condominium, pay bills, pay mortgage, watch loads of television and have your favorite programs, buy lots of stuff at the store to fill your abode, vote Democrat, Republican or Libertarian, follow the news, believe what were told, repeat it to others, then you die. But dont think of questioning things and rocking the boat! Do things the way theyve always been done! Perpetuate the system that youre born intoits the only way!

              By deliberately eliminating other options, The Powers That Be (TPTB) have narrowed down the pool of choices for all aspects of our existence to ensure that we remain in the sheep pen, and then hope we dont notice this and question anything. A major facet of this in modern developed nations involves working at a mainstream soul-sucking, energy depleting job, whether you like it or not, so you can pay your bills and acquire material goods. Were not presented with other options for getting by in life such as bartering and trading, or growing and producing our own food and goods, (for those who only know an urban life) or working for yourself, tax free. So we wind up following along with little, if any, resistance to the path thats already been tread before us. It is time to realize that we are living in a world that is somebody elses creation, and it is not in our best interest. But it doesnt have to be this way. And people are starting to wake up to this, slowly but surely.

              As one goes about their day to day life over the years, they may begin to notice that there are roughly three segments of the population co-existing side by side: The first group consists of people who are waking up to the illusion that we live in, growing wise to the controllers that run our planet and shrugging off the shackles. The second group is the financially poor working class who often times notice that something is very wrong and off in this world and with our leaders, but who are powerless to do anything about it. A lack of money and living paycheck to paycheck keeps their nose to the grindstone and forces them to partake in a system that they most likely dont agree with. Theres simply no time, or resources, to be revolting against anything. And the third group includes people who are totally asleep, seemingly unable and unwilling to hear you when presented with information about the situation around us, as well as those who are flat out defending and fighting for the system we live in. This latter group is what I call the puppet people.

              The puppet people as I define it, are those who work for and/or back the system and societys status quo unquestioningly, and they go by many names the robots, drones, machine people, fake people, background characters, etc.
              Some liken this societal rift/split between the awakening people and the puppet people to something known as polarization. Polarization is the phenomenon of branching apart, the good getting better and the bad getting worse. People waking up while others insist on slumbering; sides being chosen, and lines being drawn you could say. All of which is supposedly happening due to a shift thats occurring right now with Mankind.

              This awakening and the resulting polarization manifests in all aspects of life family, friends, spouses, lovers, work, and even the area where you choose to live. The entire way a person lives their life begins changing. The timeframe of how long it takes differs of course from person to person; some will morph within months, others will take several years, but the end result is always the same. . .branching apart from that which is no longer compatible with the new you. Your old way of being and life will no longer suffice. One often finds themselves distancing from old friends and current significant others who are no longer compatible, drifting apart from problematic family members, and quitting obnoxious jobs and finding a new way to earn money. Its more than just being unhappy and fighting with people about situations that annoy you, its about making an actual break and putting your foot down and no longer tolerating certain things. Its the difference between words and action.
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                Sat, April 15, 2006 - 5:48 PM
                Interesting.... thank you.
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                  Sat, April 15, 2006 - 6:09 PM
                  This realy is an Orwellian system that is developing. Anybody who doesnt see it is either blind or stupid.
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                    Re: Becoming?

                    Sat, April 15, 2006 - 6:58 PM
                    I'll choose stupid then, while I can.
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                      Sat, April 15, 2006 - 7:58 PM
                      Hehe....Your kind of silly, and I appreciate that.

                      I dont realy agree with or trust your perspectives however...not outside the context of humor.
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                        Sat, April 15, 2006 - 11:53 PM
                        "if you want to see the reason for the state of the world and in this country then you just have to look into the mirror".

                        what does this mean exactly?

                        has anyone heard of projecting? creating reality? thought control? (an art form i highly recommend)
                        if you had no books, television, or webs to peer through, what would the state of your world be? if you can't be fed information, or disinformation, how would the world look? if it looks dim, i would change the vision, flip the channel, dial in. flow--

                        it just seems a bit like there are a plethora of channels, its easier to tune into One.

                        fight or flight, you chose at any given moment, like now. but really, i don't really care what anyones path is, so long as they got one.
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                          Sun, April 16, 2006 - 9:23 AM
                          "if you want to see the reason for the state of the world and in this country then you just have to look into the mirror".

                          It means that we all create this world and reality together, that you and I and everyone else are responsible for what is going on. It means that we can be upset about the state of the world until our heads smkoke. Nothing will change until we do something about it and look at the root of the "problem". Everyone has his/her own path, of course. However, one can choose to engage in it or not....I guess not engaging in a path is still a path.......so the whole "path" question can also be an apology for ignorance in a sense.
                          So, you're right it is about projecting and creating a new reality. However, it is nonsense and counterproductive trying to create a new reality while still holding on to outdated beliefsystems which just re-enforces the current madness (Religions, Nationalism, Identification, etc....). That's the hypocricy I'm talking about. Most people talk a lot but they don't walk their talk. Like Krishnamurti used to say "People live in a prison and instead of breaking out of the prison, they just keep re-decorating their prison cell, thinking that this will change everything."

                          "if you had no books, television, or webs to peer through, what would the state of your world be? if you can't be fed information, or disinformation, how would the world look?"

                          That's nice, however, the "if" game is a bit more like wishful thinking here. We all are conditioned with beliefs and information, be it from school, TV, parents (who are conditioned themselves), indigenous or modern society. That is just an obvious fact. Not until we admit to being conditioned will we be able to let go of it and create a new reality. Before we can create a new world we need to see the world a it IS, without judgment, ignorance or wishfull thinking and start looking at the root of the madness, whcih is what I was trying to convey in the other posts. For example, you can't be wishing for peace and still be patriotic, identifying yourself with a nation or flag. That's ridicolus. Any form of Identification with a group is a separation from people who identify themselves with another group (i.e, nation, religion, etc...) and Separation according to a certain ideology is the breeding ground for any conflict, war, etc.....
                          So detachment is needed.........and talking about paths here, I like what Krishnamurti's little quote from his speech when he rejected any form of religion :" Truth is a pathless land"

                          "fight or flight, you chose at any given moment, like now."

                          I'd choose neither. There is nothing to run form or to fight against, except from yourself and the beliefs we have.
                          The reason why I'd like to spend the coming years in South America, as I mentioned above, is not so much a "flight" scenario because the shit might hit the fan here but has been in my mind for a number of years, even before I got into the whole conspiracy world....lol!........I just feel drwan to that part of the world.....and stronger by the day.........you could say I'm following a path.....while I create it at the same time....acording to my beliefs, projections, visions and thoughts.
                          I guess everyone has to decide for him/herself what to do or not to do. I just encourage to look deeper than political conspiracies or end time scenarios, becasue as along as we only wallow on the surface, nothing will ever really change.
                          Problem is people rather like to blame the outside than going inside, becasue when we'd really go inside and confront our own beliefs and "values" we'd see that we are very responsible for the state of the wordl. But people don't like to face the fact that they've been living their whole life based on lies and beliefs whcih just re-enforce the matrix. fFor most their whole existense is based on their belief system. Of course they don't want to let go of that.........and some would even die to defend their beiiefs.

                          Yep, the world is actually a fun place when looking at it. It's the greatest comedy ever produced. You literally have to see the humor in it. The contradiction of what people say/want to what they do/believe in. It's like a circus side show....lol!.....and I certainly don't except myself from it....I too am in the process of de-conditioning myself from all this crap we've been fedd with for thousands of years.
                          • Re: Becoming?

                            Sun, April 16, 2006 - 10:12 AM
                            I agree with you about the "what if game" Berhard... the fact is, is it is happening. Whether you want to believe it or not. We can stand in the mirror looking at oursleves for days but the World Government will still be excersizing their control. We did NOT elect these guys in ok? It was a phony election. WE do not have to take responsibility for the terrorising of other countries. That is a guilt trip unessesary.

                            We do have to take responsibily with our ability to respond to what is being forced upon us.

                            You know we do create this reality. In a larger picture we have all co-created our world and allowed ourselves to be influencedm seduced, inspired and co-oerced into what ever our choices are right now. We can sit here and say we can change our reality, and spend hypothetical hours and hours discussing the holographic nature of who we are.... but we will ALL still wake up tomorrow in our beds and still be HERE. In this world. Reading the paper. Effected by the wars around us. That is a fact for now... unless of course you die, pass on... or have mastered your body and lifted yourself free from this world.... non the less, most of us, you will still be here tomorrow responding to the computor, your work, your freinds, enemies....

                            In the third world countries there are not many books, televisions, ceratinly limited web, hardly any floors....and the state of their world is being bombed. By rich money making warlords. This is a plane fact. And the "if" thing is a sweet metaphor.... but the reality is we have these things.

                            I suppose that if the whole world did not have these technologies, no cars, no ammo, no computors, no NEWS PAPERS, etc....then we wouldn't be having this discussion and the world would be at peace more or less.... but this is not whats happening. So we need to be informed and make a wise response to what is happening. Being response-able. Its time we wake up and read the fine print in between the lines.

                            They may have the guns, but WE have the numbers. Our greatest weapon is our love. Our love for peace.

                            Fight or flight?

                            That is a state of chronic depression, if you understanding anything about emotional stability. I was taught about the "fight or flight" in massage school. We were trained to help people ease out of this mentality of "fight or flight". That is not good advice.

                            Yep...it can be funny for sure, watching it on TV.....though, only until the bombs start dropping and we are rounded up in camps. Then it won't be so funny...


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                              Re: Becoming?

                              Sun, April 16, 2006 - 10:29 AM
                              Yep.... the fight or flight response to mental stress can damage your heart:
                              www.eurekalert.org/pub_rele...41196.php

                              www.thebodysoulconnection.com/Edu...html

                              We don't have to nessessarily "fight" anything ....nor is it a wise thing to take "flight' and run. We just have to be solid, true, and strong in our conviction to have a peaceful world with our corporate dominance and government domination.

                              Just like Ghandi did. We can walk peacefully and denounce what is unlawful by action and living it, rather than just speaking about it.

                              How many of you here will give up your jobs for world peace?
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                                Re: Becoming?

                                Sun, April 16, 2006 - 10:30 AM
                                I meant ot say "without" corporate dominance....etc....


                                oops :-)
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                                  Re: Becoming?

                                  Sun, April 16, 2006 - 10:58 AM
                                  Im glad I have a fight or flight response....its good to have a degree of control over it....low grade chronic stress isnt healthy...however, accute fight or flight responses can save your life. If an animal is trying to eat me, I want the adrenaline NOW, and Im not going to worry about wether is will take 20 miniutes or even a day off my lifespan, because if I dont get moving it wont matter anyway because Ill be tiger food.

                                  Fight or flight combined with physical excercise is a healthy ballance....chronic stress over petty buisness issues and bills mixed with a sedetary lifestyle is what kills people....that and McDonnalds, which isnt ethical to eat anyway. Overconsumption of coffe doesnt help.


                                  Yes, we create our reality.....which is why we ARE responsible for what goes on in this world. If anything its a statement of responsibility, a reason to take action rather then an excuse to do nothing or not care.

                                  However, we create much of reality with our actions.....thoughts are not as powerfull as actions...there are spiritual forces that have power over the elements but those forces are "before" thought. Thoughts are merely projections of our minds....Spirit on the otherhand comes befor thought. Spirit is pre-conscious.

                                  So with that in mind, it is our duty to take action against our facist government, or otherwise take responsibility on many levels for the injustice inflicted by the society we help create.
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                                  Re: Becoming?

                                  Thu, April 20, 2006 - 7:10 AM



                                  ITS " FRIENDLY FASCISM".....HAS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY FOOLED.
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                              Re: Becoming?

                              Sun, April 16, 2006 - 11:37 AM
                              very well said, star!
                              • Re: Becoming?

                                Mon, April 17, 2006 - 12:54 PM
                                >:" I f you want to see the reason for the state of the world and in this country then you just have to look into the mirror".

                                Perfect line Bernhard and it reminded me of Bringers of the Dawn, and then you perfectly quoted from that too, which again I was like "ths sounds like bringers of the Dawn"!

                                Funny that I wanted to quote Bringers of the Dawn from the original post.
                                Paraphrasing: "Reptilians feed off of our fears and are really scrambling for more scenarios to create greater fears at this time".

                                The original post- whether it will truly happen (the whole chip and full-on martial law thing; as it has already been stated that something is already happening)- is just creating and has been created and maybe implemented to create more fear, which feeds the reptilians. We are evolving and so are they, and I like to believe that for it gives me hope that they are just grasping at straws for the inevitable breakdown of their "creation".

                                To paraphrase Bringers of the Dawn again to give credence to Bernhard's V quote- "it is easy for us to give up our power to create and to have someone else create reality for us- allowing the gov't, our boss, etc to always own us for we allow them to dictate our reality."

                                Alright then, I will exercise my power, if this is true (which I would like it to be), and create a parallel reality to bring me out of this then... ... I'll let y'all know how it goes...
    • Re: Becoming?

      Mon, April 17, 2006 - 12:10 AM
      Naomi,

      > Becoming?
      > you use the word "becoming" as if it hasn't happend already...

      For once, I totally, 100% agree with you! Becoming?!? Hah!

      Chronosphere
      • Re: Becoming?

        Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:16 PM
        Was my dragqueens thread deleted? Talk about fascist. lol Dragqueens do alot for charity & helping people in many different ways. Creating laughter & smiles being the number one thing! Geez.
    • Re: Becoming?

      Fri, April 21, 2006 - 2:27 PM
      i think we should delinate
      "fascist" from "totalitarian"

      i think we have always been a pro-business
      anit-human rights govt (aka fascism)

      i think recently we are moving in the realm
      of 'information awarness' where the mac starbucks-mart state
      can monitor all dissent (albeit in a half-assed way)

      another 4 or 8 years of a George Bush Jr Jr
      we have a great chance of becoming a fascist-thoecracy
      as fz said (sponsered by mac starbucks-mart)
  • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

    Mon, April 17, 2006 - 9:03 PM
    Can you say New World Order? Soon my friends very soon! I plan to rebel like there is no tomorrow. I've got my eyes wide open and my escape route planned out in detail, with all those close to me right on track....We know what we plan to do when the bad guys get closer to their so called take over.....It's not over til the morbidly obese lady sings her fat ass off..!!!
    how many here are ready to deal with globalization? How many will follow the beast and how many will make their own path, no matter what the cost....? I say don't sell out!! Stand strong and rebel against those who mean to control every fucking thing in your life...!
    Hell no! I won't go!
    • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

      Tue, April 18, 2006 - 6:22 PM
      Globalization is our current reality. The whole point of Globalization or "World Slavery" is that there is nowhere to run or hide. Even most christians know this. You can rebel all you want and it won't change a thing. You'll be an abberational news blurb. There is no remote area. There is no underground. There is nothing in the darkness that will not be seen in the light. Whether that light be Lucifers or Jesus or noone at all. We're all completely fucked, or not, depending on your perspective.
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        Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

        Wed, April 19, 2006 - 4:04 PM
        Each individual who has posted here has their own perspective. We have each had a unique sequence of events and experiences to draw upon. I think valid points have been made, but none of us can say who is right and who is wrong. All we can do is be true to ourselves.

        I see the drones, and I try to talk to them about world issues. Most tune me out wondering what song to play next on their ipod.

        Semantics always gets in the way of good discussions. I think all of us here are going in the right direction. We just have different means of getting there. Good luck to all of us.
        • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

          Wed, April 19, 2006 - 5:17 PM
          millions of americans do stand up... but they are not counted... the news ignores them...

          if a tree falls in the forest and there’s nobody there… it doesn’t make a sound.

          did you know that when bush was first declared as winner of the pres. election... millions of americans were there to protest and threw eggs at his car???.. there were no supporters present in front of the white house... he had to forgo the normal walk from his limo to the front steps because security could not guarantee his safety...

          this was an historical event that so many came out in opposition of a new pres.

          the news was there, but did not carry any of this this footage, it did not cover it at all... it's as if it never happened...

          now if you want to protest any of his scheduled visits... you have to be in a 'free speech zone' which is a chain link fenced off area topped with barbed wire and covering a very small space... this is located approximately 3 miles away from his scheduled visit points.

          i’m telling you this because you should know that even with the nonexistent coverage… his popularity is probably no greater than 15% and may actually be in the single digits. the whole of the news is owned and will not show what they do not want you to see…

          now think about it... what if it was vice president gore that had shot somebody? we would never hear the end of it… and his career would have come to an end. why is cheney off the hook?

          but if you manage to catch the ‘daily show’ on comedy central…
          they have the video images of the actual pres, vice pres, and the rest of his cabinet actually saying and doing the horrible things that the news will later paraphrase and restate and spin into what looks like they are thoughtful good and intelligent people.
          its strange to see the newspapers quoting statements… and then hear people in my work quoting these spun words that were printed… watching the news anchors talking about the wonderful things that were said… and then actually seeing the real video of the actual horrific statements made by these people… but only shown on the ‘daily show’.

          … a couple of years ago and not on the daily show… i saw some footage smuggled out of a ‘by appointment only’ campaign speech…
          now this was a few years ago so i’m paraphrasing here - it was of rumsfield stating: “veterans deserve nothing, because they did not die for their country!”
          the american peoples would not stand for this… if only they knew.

          …but now the republican support of this amoral administration is backing away from it…
          • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

            Thu, April 20, 2006 - 11:13 AM
            >>now think about it... what if it was vice president gore that had shot somebody? we would never hear the end of it… and his career would have come to an end. why is cheney off the hook? <<

            cuz he's got a lot of money.
            I saw a news article on yahoo news right around april 15, that reported the pres only making $400g last year... ... ... ... um-hum.

            Then they showed how Cheney made $16 million, but overpaid (!) so he was refunded just over a million dollars. Then they showed how he was a good boy and donated something like, I think it said like $8 mil to whatever charity.
            Google the yahoo article if you want a source.

            I just found it funny.
  • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

    Wed, April 19, 2006 - 7:15 PM
    i say it is time to get the hell out of here!
    it is sad to say but the powers that be have so much momentum going in their favor that we will not stop this from happening.
    i did not say we cannot stop it because we can...however "american idol" and "desperate housewives" are doing their jobs of keeping the masses stupified.

    this is a horrible crazy time. i would hate to get caught in the headlights and wind up stuck in this situation. everyone saw what happened in cases such as Katrina. natural disasters and terrorist acts gives the administration a reason to declare martial law. the holding pens have already been created for us just in case they feel the need to round us up early. a large amount of young, poor men and women of color who would pose the biggest threat to the power structure have been incarcerated on minor charges.

    The united snakes of amerikkka already is a fascist country! It does not deserve to be called a nation because the nation that lived here prior to their conquest was a peaceful and civilized one. This is one big mess. Something has got to give!
    • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

      Wed, April 19, 2006 - 7:45 PM
      I think it might be something like the fake bird flu. All it would take is a fake report of a couple fake cases in your town and you're locked down tight. The media already has everybody worked up about it (and there's been *how many* cases of it in humans)? My town already has plans for it! You'd really have to see it coming to get out in time, or play it safe and get out now.
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        Amerika

        Wed, April 19, 2006 - 9:32 PM

        Rammstein - "Amerika" Video

        www.youtube.com/v/7xwc29gCKu0

        Translated Lyrics from German:

        We're all living in America
        America is wonderful
        We're all living in America
        America, America

        When there's dancing I want to lead
        even if you're whirling around alone
        Let yourselves be controlled a little
        I'll show you how it really goes
        We're making a nice round dance
        Freedom is playing on all violins
        Music is coming out of the White House
        and Mickey Mouse is standing in front of Paris

        We're all living in America
        America is wonderful
        We're all living in America
        America, America

        I know moves that are very useful
        and I will protect you from missteps
        And whoever doesn't want to dance at the end
        doesn't know yet that they must
        We're making a nice round dance
        I will show you the way
        Santa Claus is coming to Africa
        and Mickey Mouse is standing in front of Paris

        We're all living in America
        America is wonderful
        We're all living in America
        America, America

        We're all living in America
        Coca-Cola, Wonderbra
        We're all living in America
        America, America

        This is not a love song
        This is not a love song
        I don't sing my mother tongue
        No, This is not a love song

        We're all living in America
        America is wonderful
        We're all living in America
        America, America

        We're all living in America
        Coca-Cola, sometimes war
        We're all living in America
        America, America
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          Re: Amerika

          Thu, April 20, 2006 - 3:51 AM
          I am lucky
          I live on the south coast of england.
          • Re: Amerika

            Thu, April 20, 2006 - 5:31 AM
            I love Rammstein!

            You live in Brighton?
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              Re: Amerika

              Thu, April 20, 2006 - 5:43 AM
              who the heck is rammstein ?
              • Re: Amerika

                Thu, April 20, 2006 - 6:04 AM
                A German rock band. Have you heard Du Haste? That's probably their most well known song. They were the band in that movie XXX with Vin Diesel. I first heard them on the Lost Highway movie soundtrack (that was produced by Trent Reznot of NIN). I like all their stuff. If you check them out Herzeleid is my favorite cd I think you should start with. : )
  • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

    Fri, April 21, 2006 - 5:47 AM
    Perhaps you are right Tom.

    Let me play the common man and ask...''what are we going to do about it?''

    I have an answer. A powerful and workable answer.

    It will cost you nothing to curry out, and it will bring immediate change in days.

    Want to know what it is...ask me

    Theo
    • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

      Fri, April 21, 2006 - 9:39 AM
      Ok theo, I'm interested in what you know... btw: My mom's madien name is Curry.. Lots of really cool history on my mom's side of the family. So theo what is it that you can enlighten us on. I'm all ears...!
      • Re: USA: becoming a fascist Country!!!

        Fri, April 21, 2006 - 12:54 PM
        Thank you for the interest.

        I will post it Sunday after noon...under the forum heading, 'The Vote of Subtraction'. Term because this is a vote that 'counts'.

        I will give you premise in short now. Based off the law's allowed by fractional bank, the action is sound. And by sound I simply mean will work. So if you understand fractional banking you can determine for yourself the effect.

        The basic premise is to withdraw your funds (check/savings) from your bank account.
        It is that simple.

        It doesnt cost your a thing. You dont have to take time off work. And it is legal and private. Before anyone bocks at the idea...I will ask three questions?

        What happened to Russian Economy after the Berlin Wall came down and before the first Gulf War? think CD's
        Who owns the Federal Reserve Bank in New York (Clue...Its not the 'federal-US-govenment)?
        What does your bank really do for you? (besides create inflation)

        I promise, if you are not already laughin...you will see the simplicity and the power of this idea...

        ps. I will not intertain those who reply, ''then murder and death would go up due to crime''...''or my neighbor would steal my money'' for your government is not your problem is your mind.

        I invite all comment/critics other then those two.

        Theo