Here's yet another take on 2012, a film featuring an indigenous perspective:
www.shiftingages.com
"At this time light-workers are unifying, forming alliances and underground networks to assist the mainstream with this great human transition. One emissary of light is Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, a 13th Generation Quiche Mayan High Priest. To the indigenous world he is known as 'Wandering Wolf'. Don Alejandro, in behalf of the Mayan Council of Indigenous Elders in Guatemala, has commissioned a film to be made to reveal visions, concepts, and subject matter previously concealed from the masses. According to Mayan prophecy, we have entered into a period when it is safe to release this information to the public."
www.shiftingages.com
"At this time light-workers are unifying, forming alliances and underground networks to assist the mainstream with this great human transition. One emissary of light is Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, a 13th Generation Quiche Mayan High Priest. To the indigenous world he is known as 'Wandering Wolf'. Don Alejandro, in behalf of the Mayan Council of Indigenous Elders in Guatemala, has commissioned a film to be made to reveal visions, concepts, and subject matter previously concealed from the masses. According to Mayan prophecy, we have entered into a period when it is safe to release this information to the public."
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, September 14, 2006 - 7:10 AMYES! My friend and teacher will be with these elders ina few weeks.
Here's the next initiation, fyi--
www.ponyexpress.net/~starsee...a_002.htm
The fragmented Maya are coming together. So exquisite.
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The Shift of the Wages
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 3:35 PMwith all due respect, brigid, you forgot to include the price tag:
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 12:15 PMLeave my girl alone, and listen to the following steely dan song. "Only a Fool Would Say That" -
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 9:12 PMwhat a chivalorous lad are we
a boy with a plan
with a white hat in his hand
feeling natural like a man
okay sheriff shiney let's play
see how how yr aim is in the water
i counter your 3rd rate donald fagen with 4th rate john lennon.
serve yourself is the song.
listen yourself is the favor.
return yourself is the choice.
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Re: The Shift of the Wages, drive by posting, hurts the innocent!
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 7:29 AM>Leave my girl alone, and listen to the following steely dan song. "Only a Fool Would Say That"<
ya mon
drive by posting always inadvertantly hurts the innocent
i call up my king in counter
www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+...7039.html
understanding the progression helps us all. Speaking only for myself, i welcome any sort of response critical or supportive so long as it is well informed and somewhat relevant.
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 10:42 AMWow, this looks amazing! Anybody know when it's scheduled for release?
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 12:15 PMThis is very cool! Thanks Hoopes.
"This is not a time for analysis paralysis or dissecting the obvious and forming new commissions to study the outdated. This is a time to visualize new alternatives and co-create the future of our dreams. It is a time to wake from our slumber and remember who we are, and why we are here." -
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 2:53 PMMy pleasure. I just hope that indigenous voices that are relatively untaited and pure can be sustained amidst all the pressure to sell movies, books, tours, and self-improvement seminars. I also wonder about some things in the movie trailer, such as the Andean music playing over scenes of Maya ruins. There is plenty of nice music from Guatemala, too, but audiences don't know that as well, so it's clear that people are still being sold on the movie by showing them something they already expect to get.
Machu Picchu is totally different from Tikal. The former was the private estate of an Inka emperor of the 15th century, while the latter was home to an ancient population with a centuries-old dynasty of divine kings.
I would have felt more comfortable if the Quiché Maya elder from Guatemala were sharing the stage with other indigenous voices, such as a local Qero elder from Peru and even an Aymara elder from Bolivia (especially given that the film apparently takes us from Central America to South America). I'm concerned that the message of the film is that there is *one* indigenous message, when in fact the Quiché are just one of hundreds of groups throughout the Americas with different experiences, histories, and stories to tell.
It looks like a good step in the right direction, but I'm concerned that it's still not all that different from the concept of a "generic" North American Indian in an eagle feather war bonnet, telling stories about the Great Spirit. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 2:41 AMI watched the video trailer. To me it had an evangelical undercurrent. I know its me (my reaction to my fundementalist christian background) but I still find myself uncomfortable when someone is promoted in a spiritual leader type role which is where I thought this might be going( claims of lineage, shaking hands with the Pope etc etc). Obviously seeing the complete feature might challenge and change that.
Again we are looking for something to 'save' us and change the world into a better place. We feel powerless so something overwhelming from 'outside' is needed to make this desired change happen whether its the Second Coming of Christ or Quetzalcoatl, Pole Shift or Photon Belt or some other transformative action beyond our ability to control.
Deadlines come and go; 1987,1999, 2000 and no doubt 2012 and after that 2032, 2220 and other dates that are given some sort of celestial significance ( I don't means this disparagingly). They are markers of a yearning hope for a more fulfilling society away from the crushing boredom and anomie of Western Materialism - a world where there is peace, sharing and fulfilment.
But I believe that we, and only we, have the power to transform this world, through transformation of self. Indeed I think that this is actually the only way that this transformation can take place.
If we could place our energies in the development of the inner life I believe that we would see those energies instinctively flowing out into the world without force or conscious will and change our world in the most natural and instictive of ways.
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 7:16 AM"But I believe that we, and only we, have the power to transform this world, through transformation of self. Indeed I think that this is actually the only way that this transformation can take place.
If we could place our energies in the development of the inner life I believe that we would see those energies instinctively flowing out into the world without force or conscious will and change our world in the most natural and instictive of ways.
If we are looking for a Saviour then perhaps we should do no more than look in the mirror.
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Thanks!! that is beautiful.
It is truly in this kind of thinking and belief system that propels me forward.
We are each an embodyment of all of the divine matter, and energy that is cosmically entangled in the universe that comprises all that is. We are just to confused and afraid to remember that most of the time.
My sense about the people and the deadlines are quite similiar. I view them as oppertunities. They are simply doorways that we can choose to utilize to change or alter our path. The end of humanity as we know it is always teetering on some edge, be it a cosmically predicted endpoint or nukes sitting 90 miles of our coast 40 years ago. Even in viewing and judging some self appointed prophet or someone the masses chose as their "guru du jour" it forces us to look at what are beliefs truly are, and create an intentional, personal ideology about what it is that we "do" believe.
It is here that lies the melding of all of our individual experiences and beliefs. Our wounds of division coagulate and our scars become the teachers and reminders as we begin to create the new way that we want to live. The shift of the ages happens internally every day that we place conciousness into a new path, as does the end of time within when we choose a caustic path. -
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 3:26 PM"It is truly in this kind of thinking and belief system that propels me forward.
We are each an embodyment of all of the divine matter, and energy that is cosmically entangled in the universe that comprises all that is. We are just to confused and afraid to remember that most of the time."
I completely agree. However, don't forget that this thinking is ironically the antithesis of much Christian thought, which identifies the assertion than humans are divine as the principal lie of Satan. This worldview denies the right of humans to become creators, since this status belongs only to God. This is one of the principal sources of the confusion. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 3:58 PMCosmic Irony. There have been books written that make a convicing case that the "God(z)" of the old testiment were Extra-terrestrials; Orion and/or reptilian ETs. "One True Godism" and denial of humanity as anything more than being "sheep". Obey the word from on high. Worship the "divine" beings (with their supernatural technologies). Humanity is the victim of a monstrous scam which turns spirituality on its head. Slavery under and fealty to the one true "god". All you have to do is follow the rules of the church and the schills of "God Incorporated" will validated your parking spot for the "Afterlife Inc." If you seek your personal divinity, you are a heretic. Can you blame me for cringeing a little whenever someone invokes the name "God" and asks us to pray to "him"? I am always respectful of the spirit of those who do so, as they are usually well-meaning.....but quietly I am praying for everyone's enlightenment and personal divinity. Let us all remember the Godliness that each of us embodies as best we can, and forget the Corporate UniGod religions, Amen -
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 4:45 PM"However, don't forget that this thinking is ironically the antithesis of much Christian thought, which identifies the assertion than humans are divine as the principal lie of Satan"
yea man,
it would be to hard to assume control and create a fear based center of power with all us barely evolved monkeys runin round, thinking we had this universal power within ourselves..
Take the divine away from us, instill a fear of our greatest powers in sexuality and individual compassion. Create a tempermental wizard like figure that we must oblidge and humor, and lose ourselves in the pleasing of his will. And then we are moldable to anything that falls into our heads, and down our throats.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 6:14 PMI'm reading a wonderful book right now that I'd recommend to anyone who has an open mind to considering how religion evolved and what it's good (or bad) for:
"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon" by Daniel Dennett
www.amazon.com/Breaking-S.../067003472X
I just finished the chapted entitled "Belief in Belief", which is excellent. Here's an excerpt (p. 207):
"... when the skepticism becomes more threatening, stronger measures can be invoked. One of the most effective is also one of the most transparent: the old *diabolical lie*... It is, almost literally, a trick with mirrors, and, like many good magic tricks, it's so simple that it's hard to believe it could ever work... If I were designing a phony religion, I'd sure include a version of this little gem--but I'd have a hard time saying it with a straight face:
"If anybody ever raises questions or objections about our religion that you cannot answer, that person is almost certainly Satan. In fact, the more reasonable the person is, the more eager to engage you in open-minded and congenial discussion, the more sure you can be that you're talking to Satan in disguise! Turn away! Do not listen! It's a trap!
"What is particularly cute about this trick is that it is a perfect 'wild card', so lacking in content that *any* sect or creed or conspiracy can use it effectively. Communist cells can be warned that any criticism they encounter is almost sure to be the work of FBI infiltrators in disguise, and radical feminist discussion groups can squelch any unanswerable criticism by declaring it to be phallocentric propaganda being unwittingly spread by a brainwashed dupe of the evil patriarchy, and so forth. This all purpose loyalty-enforcer is paranoia in a pill, sure to keep the critics muted if not silent."
These comments resonated with me like the vibration of an enormous gonnnnnggggg.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 6:17 PMThe late Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan www.churchofsatan.com , liked to point out: Satan is doesn't hate knowledge, but stupidity. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Tue, September 19, 2006 - 9:47 AM"If anybody ever raises questions or objections about our religion that you cannot answer, that person is almost certainly Satan. In fact, the more reasonable the person is, the more eager to engage you in open-minded and congenial discussion, the more sure you can be that you're talking to Satan in disguise! Turn away! Do not listen! It's a trap! "
!!!LOL!!!
I can hear dana carvey as church lady Screaming her only rebuttal of eternal damnation
and saying
" could it be ,,, SATAN??"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Lady
The only part that isnt so humorous is the level of truth woven into the satire.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, November 7, 2006 - 9:26 PMahh indeed, well said, we all have a different paths due to a different perception of our subconcious actions that create our reality. Once we tap into the source we begin to see we as well hold great capabilities because of who we already are, which is one with that source but unfortanitly we can't reach to the masses that do not realize this about themselves, so they will be lead by control. some of us with this awarness will leave in are light bodies others will stay to help the physical relm it's not the end of mankind but a shift that brangs two new plains or levels of conciousness one higher and one much lower
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 3:21 PM"I watched the video trailer. To me it had an evangelical undercurrent. I know its me (my reaction to my fundementalist christian background) but I still find myself uncomfortable when someone is promoted in a spiritual leader type role which is where I thought this might be going( claims of lineage, shaking hands with the Pope etc etc). Obviously seeing the complete feature might challenge and change that."
Well, evangelical Christians are a very powerful force in highland Guatemala today. They also represent a significant faction within the Guatemalan government and military. Catholic roots also run deep in Guatemala, where even the ancient Quiché text of the Popol Vuh has clear and pervasive Christian influence.
Let's not forget that there have been other successful voices that were synchretisms of indigenous and Christian traditions. The classic example is "Black Elk Speaks: Being the Life Story of a Holy Man of the Oglala Sioux":
www.amazon.com/Black-Elk-.../0803261705
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 1:15 AMI also just watched the trailer. The message seems very real to me, and the film's edits artistic. I have read reviews posted and feel some may be missing the point. We seem to know it all, but if we put the name dropping and egos aside for a moment and view the intent of the message for what it is, we find a message of oneness.
The music in the trailer is North American in origin, not Andean, and the scenes of Egyptian pyramids are actually temples in Tikal; you can see these photos on their website. I would assume this trailer is an eye catcher or hook to the documentary. I wouldn't want to sit and analyze whether or not they're going to use Guatemalan music or not. Tearing into the specifics is a VERY Western thing to do and misses the heart and intent of the piece. As far as the comments about Machu Picchu and Tikal: I've read the movies treatment and it mentions the what is going on. It seems the Mayans are some sort of sub plot regarding a common indigenous prophecy of transition. The filmmakers may be connecting central, northern, and southern parts of the americas. Have we really lost the feeling of unity in our analysis of minute details?
The edits seem to be motivated by style i.e: Don Alejandro picking up the belt in reverse and a flame coming off this finger-tips. I'm sure all this will serve a purpose in the film. The 16mm or film sequences seem to shift us through transitions with high contrast and overlaying effects; very cool and appealing to watch, each frame appearing as a mobile painting. Every film has it's critics. I give my blessings to this project. I can't wait to see what it's all about. Does anyone know when it's coming out and who the filmmakers are?
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humans into cosmic citizens
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 9:34 AMLove this thread! I find much truth here.
I don't think this film is intending to elevate Don Alejandro to savior status. He is a prominenent messenger of the Maya, and they have some very important and timely messages for us.
And I like the bit with the pope. When you consider the role Catholicism has played in Maya history, watching Don Alejandro with John is reminds me of the Dalai Lama thanking the Chinese for their profound lessons.
I am not waiting to be saved, but I wait (and work toward) for the awakening of Christ consciousness on Earth.
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 11:01 AM"we are the one's we've been waiting for"
Amen to that!
It seems I may have spoken too soon about how great this documentary might be, since I haven't yet seen the trailer. I guess I'll watch it sometime tonight and then comment about how great/not-so-great this documentary might be.
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Fri, September 22, 2006 - 9:14 PMBack to the trailer for "The Shift of the Ages"...
There are a number of things about it that cause my skeptical antennae to go up (for the geezers, the visual effect is exactly that of what happened periodically to "Uncle Martin" in the 1960s sitcom "My Favorite Martian").
- The two Hispanic women at the beginning are not especially articulate. Both of them stumble over their words, yet are caught saying "profound" things. If their English is bad but they know these things, they must be right. Right?
- The first makes a reference to a physical change, the "pole shift theory" (a la Charles Hapgood). How in the heck did she learn about that? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_theory "Different place, uh, different position?" That's really not so hard to say. What's communicated by this woman's seemingly stumbling to explain an esoteric theory?
- The second woman says something that can't possibly be true: "... to see that there is no difference between religions." That's absurd. Of course there are differences among religions! Big ones, too. She goes on to say, "I believe that everybody is tired of wars. We want peace. And we have to insist that our goverments stop these wars." Well, that part's okay, but it doesn't make the first statement true.
- The title of the movie appears with an image of the Aztec calendar stone, but the movie is about a *Maya* holy man. The Aztecs and Mayas were totally distinct cultures.
- The transitions between scenes have an artificial flipping, light flares, and problems with frame control, like artifacts from old 16 mm film cameras. These are things people associate with the famous Magruder film of the the JFK assassination, clips of Bigfoot in the northwest woods, and footage of UFOs. These are archaic visual artifacts, since they don't appear in modern digital cinematography unless for stylistic "effect". The intention is to create a "conspiracy" feel of secrets traded among the cognoscenti.
- The initial clip of Don Alejandro is shown in reverse, with his cloth belt "leaping" into his hands from the floor. He's next shown with a flame or flash coming from his fingertips (in the mirror). This is obviously an allusion to his "magical" powers, but he doesn't *really* pick up his belt this way or shoot fire from his fingers.
- The music that plays behind the scenes of Don Alejandro is of the "pop Andean" genre, the kind recorded by upper middle-class musicians in Peru. The music has little to do with Guatemala or even indigenous people (beyond folkloric representations).
- Don Alejandro, the "Wandering Wolf" is show shaking hands with John Paul II. What's *that* all about? There aren't too many wolves in highland Guatemala. Not even coyotes. In his "wandering", he takes the train to Machu Picchu, the quintessential middle-class New Ager experience. Why not visit some of the ruins in highland Guatemala, or at least some indigenous village in Peru, rather than a tourist trap where the ecology is far from balanced? (Machu Picchu is an ecological disaster.)
- A woman standing somewhere in the Peruvian Andes (it looks like the valley around Pisac to me) says "...look in to the stars. You just feel more powerful." It then shows images of Andean people blowing on shell trumpets and prayingm then rapidly cuts in images of Tikal, Guatemala and then the pyramids at Giza, Egypt (??!) Pyramids in Egypt?
The allusions to the polar shift theory at the beginning and the images of Egyptian pyramids intercut with Maya ones near the end tag this a flick as one tainted with New Age pseudoscience and speculation from the likes of Graham Hancock. The flickering image transitions and distortions remind me of UFO films. There's "woo woo" all over this trailer. No wonder it's so appealing... -
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why piss on the parade?
Sat, September 23, 2006 - 7:48 AMMaybe we should reserve our judgements until we've actually experienced this film.
We can then use our gifts of upper-middle class education and keen intellect to dissect the film's actual content, rather than simply shred apart the preview.
Or maybe we can use our heads with hearts to see the bigger picture as it emerges, and be inspired that there are those who dedicate their lives to true wisdom and harmony.
This is the path I choose.
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 11:56 PM"Maybe we should reserve our judgements until we've actually experienced this film."
Perhaps, but isn't a trailer part of the experience of the film?
"Or maybe we can use our heads with hearts to see the bigger picture as it emerges, and be inspired that there are those who dedicate their lives to true wisdom and harmony."
It's you who seem to have already decided, on the basis of just a short trailer, that this film contains "true wisdom and harmony" rather than illusions and misrepresentations. It's you who are rushing to judgement, not I. Ignorance is bliss, or so it's been said.
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 9:15 AMAs someone who has done a lot of Mac video editing, I recognized a lot of effects from Final Cut Pro, the budget editing tool of choice. The music also sounds very much like Soundtracks, Apples royalty-free music program that comes bundled with FCP. I used to teach FCP video editng, and I can tell you that it's not uncommon for first-time filmmakers and editors to overload their films with cheesy effects like that too. Let's hope they have a lighter touch on the actual movie. -
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 11:07 AMthis has the feel of a castaneda'ish evaluation / argument of sorts. is it the need to validate the truth of the occurance or do we bypass the scrutiny of truth and try to listen to and place more importance on the message?
my thoughts are,
first,
i feel that the message that could be offerered to the masses thru this film holds the highest order, in that it could awaken and lead others to the shift or the movement. At which point they can join and discern ensuing information the same way that we are all doing now. We have all been somewhat deadened by the explosiveness or sensationalism of modern media, so if you dont add lots of flashing visuals nowdays you might not get any attention. Think back to what information brought each of us to this place. May it have been weaved with modern messaging techniques or information that could easily have been pulled apart?
to me this is the more important thing to look at.
any form of media can and does get ripped to shreds by someone elses belief or disbelief system. Movies, articles, scriptures, you name it, there is a skeptic for all of it. Which is why I believe more in the media of feelings and emotions. They are the undeniable vehicle for transmitting information that is most pertinant to who we each are.
granted we all have a ways to go in the understanding and interpretation of feelings particularly in the area of cutting thru all the bs drama that our egos and minds tend to insert into current interpretations.
(can you say JERRY SPRINGER??)
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 11:50 PM"i feel that the message that could be offerered to the masses thru this film holds the highest order, in that it could awaken and lead others to the shift or the movement. At which point they can join and discern ensuing information the same way that we are all doing now."
Sort of like the story of Moses on Mt. Sinai? Or the Buddha under the Bodhi tree? Or Jesus on the cross? Or Mohammed's ascent? Or does acceptance of the message condition one's ability to discern reality from metaphor?
"Which is why I believe more in the media of feelings and emotions. They are the undeniable vehicle for transmitting information that is most pertinant to who we each are."
Yes, but as you note with your reference to Jerry Springer, feelings can get in the way of clearheaded thinking. They are a useful vehicle, but fortunately not the only one.
"when we shed all the current vernacular and rhetoric, and speak and hear thru the heart, we will have taken the next step."
But shouldn't we be mindful of Marshall McLuhan's cogent observation? "The medium IS the message." -
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 7:14 AM>Sort of like the story of Moses on Mt. Sinai? Or the Buddha under the Bodhi tree? Or Jesus on the cross? Or Mohammed's ascent? Or does acceptance of the message condition one's ability to discern reality from metaphor?<
Certainly, and the frame of mind in which it was accepted by an individual if in fact it was accepted. I belive that each persons journey leading up to the moment of contact might assist in alligning the way an individual will process a message. Someone in despair might see the hopes in a newly presented message and set the hook deep without questioning anything. One must observe that an individuals life might turn out for the better because of this message alone, or the messsage leadin them to another source. However someone who is content in their place, might not feel compelled to make a move either way. I would add though that the acceptance of a presented message be it metaphor or realty still contains the power to dramatically alter the course of an individuals, and in your examples,scores of humans lives. right or wrong, dellusional or not, might be only for the individual to access.
>Yes, but as you note with your reference to Jerry Springer, feelings can get in the way of clearheaded thinking. They are a useful vehicle, but fortunately not the only one. <
very true, which is why i gave this example. This show as a microcosm of the life around exemplifies the point of our western comical (and tragic) misunderstandings of emotions and feelings. I think that words and educational distances and experiences drives anail in our current form of communicating as well. With that in mind, i feel that emotions and feelings are capable of transcending the barriers as they speak to who we truly are. This language, if learned correctly, would give more insight to us personally and give us a platform for more compassionate dealings with one another. I dont believe that this would upend the need for all that we know or communication on an intellectual level though. Together, well underrstood, we can move forward as a human species far faster.
>But shouldn't we be mindful of Marshall McLuhan's cogent observation? "The medium IS the message."<
hmm I may need to chew on this a bit.
I would say though that, in relation to my point of emotional communication, if the human connection could be made thru a common emotional language, then the medium, a human, would be the perfect for the message. -
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whoa, cowboy!
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 8:31 AM"...isn't a trailer part of the experience of the film?"
Yes, but because there is not time to convey the meat and pototoes of a film in a trailer, so it is a rather superficial experience. I think the trailer sucks, but I'm OPEN to the possibility that this film doesn't.
"It's you who seem to have already decided, on the basis of just a short trailer, that this film contains "true wisdom and harmony" rather than illusions and misrepresentations. It's you who are rushing to judgement, not I. Ignorance is bliss..."
Damn right I think this film contains true wisdom and harmony. There's probably a bunch of bullshit in it as well, but why would I want to focus on that? I only need to be aware of it, but that's not where I choose to put my attention.
This film features a man who is known by and dear to my family--a man who is a messenger dedicated to true wisdom and harmony. If ignorance is bliss, what is firsthand experience and knowing? Ecstacy, baby--and I don't mean sassafrass.
Peace, my brother.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 11:04 AMI'm by no means offering a critique of the contents of the movie based on the aesthetics of the trailer. I just wanted to offer another perspective on some of the things people have been discussing such as music and visual effects. Perhaps those choices were made simply because the filmmakers are working with the tools they have at their disposal.
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 2:57 PM
- The second woman says something that can't possibly be true: "... to see that there is no difference between religions." That's absurd. Of course there are differences among religions! Big ones, too. She goes on to say, "I believe that everybody is tired of wars. We want peace.<<
that part stuck me especially after watching a special on holy jihad last night. there is a great difference between many things, though there is a common thread, not all people want peace, its pretty obvious at the mo. people are struggling for peace, which is still a near miss.
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 3:55 PMI will be attending a presentation given by Carl Johan Calleman Thursday and hope to meet the film crew at that event. My last knowledge of this film was an interview done on the radio with the crew on the day before they flew to Central America to film it. I have been on pins and needles ever since.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 7:14 AMAll religions are indeed the same. Judaism, Christianity , Catholicism and Islam were all manufactured for the same agenda and all those who worship these prison religions are played off against one another. We are all from the same light stream, all off the genetic blueprint of the creator-source. There is no reason for religious fighting accept that global elite's manipulate and distort truth through their divide and conquer agenda going all the way back to Babylon and prior to the first genetic tampering by our wannabe overlords.
It's all manipulationg of the split our minds took on as we took on duality. Now we are coming home so there is a heating up of the biosphere of consciousness in order to lift the veil and weave our brains back together.
I trust the process, but we also need to wake up from these mind control religions. We are already free light beings of the I Am supreme energy of this or any universe. We have nothing to fear and everything to look forward to.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 9:10 AMNow we are coming home so there is a heating up of the biosphere of consciousness in order to lift the veil and weave our brains back together. <<
this is true. the heating up of our planet is caused by the solar heart, the one sun, the star in sight. burning out the impurities of the four lower bodies. the religious and political parties are the duality. it won't change as its a pure design. the trick is to not play the game, or abandon it in favor for lighting it up >beyond belief<.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 7:16 AMAlmost a century ago, in 1908, Richard Hatfield published a fantasy novel called "Geyserland". According to L. Sprague de Camp (in his excellent 1954 book "Lost Continents: The Atlantis Theme in History, Science, and Literature"), Hatfield "represented the Atlanteans as living a blissful life of pure ideal communism at the North Pole. The book is based upon a theory propounded in 1852 by Alphonse-Joseph Adhémar, that from time to time ice piles up at the poles until the earth becomes unstable and does a flip so that the new poles are where the equator used to be. The last of these cataclysms, of course, formed the basis of Atlantis, Noah's Flood, and so on. Not only was the theory wrong, but also the author [Hatfield] had no notion of how to tell a story. The result is a stupendous mass of politico-economic argument thinly disguised as fiction and quite unreadable" (p. 160).
So, one of the themes in this new movie repeats the premise of a bad science fiction novel written almost 100 years ago.
de Camp notes that "Geyserland" was preceded by a better novel, "Scarlet Empire" (1906), that tells the story of a young socialist who discovers Atlantis thriving under the sea, protected by a giant crystalline zone. Atlantis is described as a "utopian" society that takes egalitarianism to the extreme. Individualism is punished by feeding the offenders to a giant kraken. The book gets its name from the fact that everyone walks around in scarlet robes. As the hero is trying to escape with his girl in a submarine, they are attacked by the kraken. They fire a torpedo at it, which misses and destroys the dome--and Atlantis. The book was written as an anti-utopian jab at socialism.
The practice of intertwining the Mayas and ancient Egypt, Atlantis and utopian visions, all within antiquated theories of geology and world history has been going on for over 150 years now, if not even longer (I suspect the roots lie in Sir Thomas More's "Utopia" of 1515 and the subsequent grown of Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry). There's really not much "new" about the New Age, and this movie is just one of its most recent manifestations.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 7:28 AMBy the way, the full title of Hatfield's book was "Geyserland: Empiricism in Social Reform". This used bookseller gives its publication date as 1907.
www.betweenthecovers.com/btc/item/43819
Note that the image on the cover of the book's first edition is a map of Geyserland at the North Pole as it appeared in 9262 B.C., prior to the cataclysm that destroyed it.
I wonder whether Graham Hancock, Rand Flem-Ath, Colin Wilson, or other advocates of the Atlantis-in-Antarctica-polar-shift-disaster theory realize that some of the roots of their pseudoscience can be traced to a sharp parody of Socialism written a hundred years ago. -
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Thanks Hoopes
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 8:24 AMThank you for bringing some other (dare I say, sober) perspectives to this thread.
Your research, and your acumen, are very impressive and beneficial here.
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