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Here's yet another take on 2012, a film featuring an indigenous perspective:
www.shiftingages.com
"At this time light-workers are unifying, forming alliances and underground networks to assist the mainstream with this great human transition. One emissary of light is Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, a 13th Generation Quiche Mayan High Priest. To the indigenous world he is known as 'Wandering Wolf'. Don Alejandro, in behalf of the Mayan Council of Indigenous Elders in Guatemala, has commissioned a film to be made to reveal visions, concepts, and subject matter previously concealed from the masses. According to Mayan prophecy, we have entered into a period when it is safe to release this information to the public."
www.shiftingages.com
"At this time light-workers are unifying, forming alliances and underground networks to assist the mainstream with this great human transition. One emissary of light is Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, a 13th Generation Quiche Mayan High Priest. To the indigenous world he is known as 'Wandering Wolf'. Don Alejandro, in behalf of the Mayan Council of Indigenous Elders in Guatemala, has commissioned a film to be made to reveal visions, concepts, and subject matter previously concealed from the masses. According to Mayan prophecy, we have entered into a period when it is safe to release this information to the public."
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Unsu...
Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, September 14, 2006 - 7:10 AMYES! My friend and teacher will be with these elders ina few weeks.
Here's the next initiation, fyi--
www.ponyexpress.net/~starsee...a_002.htm
The fragmented Maya are coming together. So exquisite.
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The Shift of the Wages
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 3:35 PMwith all due respect, brigid, you forgot to include the price tag:
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 12:15 PMLeave my girl alone, and listen to the following steely dan song. "Only a Fool Would Say That" -
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 9:12 PMwhat a chivalorous lad are we
a boy with a plan
with a white hat in his hand
feeling natural like a man
okay sheriff shiney let's play
see how how yr aim is in the water
i counter your 3rd rate donald fagen with 4th rate john lennon.
serve yourself is the song.
listen yourself is the favor.
return yourself is the choice.
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Re: The Shift of the Wages, drive by posting, hurts the innocent!
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 7:29 AM>Leave my girl alone, and listen to the following steely dan song. "Only a Fool Would Say That"<
ya mon
drive by posting always inadvertantly hurts the innocent
i call up my king in counter
www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+...7039.html
understanding the progression helps us all. Speaking only for myself, i welcome any sort of response critical or supportive so long as it is well informed and somewhat relevant.
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 10:42 AMWow, this looks amazing! Anybody know when it's scheduled for release?
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 12:15 PMThis is very cool! Thanks Hoopes.
"This is not a time for analysis paralysis or dissecting the obvious and forming new commissions to study the outdated. This is a time to visualize new alternatives and co-create the future of our dreams. It is a time to wake from our slumber and remember who we are, and why we are here." -
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 2:53 PMMy pleasure. I just hope that indigenous voices that are relatively untaited and pure can be sustained amidst all the pressure to sell movies, books, tours, and self-improvement seminars. I also wonder about some things in the movie trailer, such as the Andean music playing over scenes of Maya ruins. There is plenty of nice music from Guatemala, too, but audiences don't know that as well, so it's clear that people are still being sold on the movie by showing them something they already expect to get.
Machu Picchu is totally different from Tikal. The former was the private estate of an Inka emperor of the 15th century, while the latter was home to an ancient population with a centuries-old dynasty of divine kings.
I would have felt more comfortable if the Quiché Maya elder from Guatemala were sharing the stage with other indigenous voices, such as a local Qero elder from Peru and even an Aymara elder from Bolivia (especially given that the film apparently takes us from Central America to South America). I'm concerned that the message of the film is that there is *one* indigenous message, when in fact the Quiché are just one of hundreds of groups throughout the Americas with different experiences, histories, and stories to tell.
It looks like a good step in the right direction, but I'm concerned that it's still not all that different from the concept of a "generic" North American Indian in an eagle feather war bonnet, telling stories about the Great Spirit. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 2:41 AMI watched the video trailer. To me it had an evangelical undercurrent. I know its me (my reaction to my fundementalist christian background) but I still find myself uncomfortable when someone is promoted in a spiritual leader type role which is where I thought this might be going( claims of lineage, shaking hands with the Pope etc etc). Obviously seeing the complete feature might challenge and change that.
Again we are looking for something to 'save' us and change the world into a better place. We feel powerless so something overwhelming from 'outside' is needed to make this desired change happen whether its the Second Coming of Christ or Quetzalcoatl, Pole Shift or Photon Belt or some other transformative action beyond our ability to control.
Deadlines come and go; 1987,1999, 2000 and no doubt 2012 and after that 2032, 2220 and other dates that are given some sort of celestial significance ( I don't means this disparagingly). They are markers of a yearning hope for a more fulfilling society away from the crushing boredom and anomie of Western Materialism - a world where there is peace, sharing and fulfilment.
But I believe that we, and only we, have the power to transform this world, through transformation of self. Indeed I think that this is actually the only way that this transformation can take place.
If we could place our energies in the development of the inner life I believe that we would see those energies instinctively flowing out into the world without force or conscious will and change our world in the most natural and instictive of ways.
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 7:16 AM"But I believe that we, and only we, have the power to transform this world, through transformation of self. Indeed I think that this is actually the only way that this transformation can take place.
If we could place our energies in the development of the inner life I believe that we would see those energies instinctively flowing out into the world without force or conscious will and change our world in the most natural and instictive of ways.
If we are looking for a Saviour then perhaps we should do no more than look in the mirror.
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Thanks!! that is beautiful.
It is truly in this kind of thinking and belief system that propels me forward.
We are each an embodyment of all of the divine matter, and energy that is cosmically entangled in the universe that comprises all that is. We are just to confused and afraid to remember that most of the time.
My sense about the people and the deadlines are quite similiar. I view them as oppertunities. They are simply doorways that we can choose to utilize to change or alter our path. The end of humanity as we know it is always teetering on some edge, be it a cosmically predicted endpoint or nukes sitting 90 miles of our coast 40 years ago. Even in viewing and judging some self appointed prophet or someone the masses chose as their "guru du jour" it forces us to look at what are beliefs truly are, and create an intentional, personal ideology about what it is that we "do" believe.
It is here that lies the melding of all of our individual experiences and beliefs. Our wounds of division coagulate and our scars become the teachers and reminders as we begin to create the new way that we want to live. The shift of the ages happens internally every day that we place conciousness into a new path, as does the end of time within when we choose a caustic path. -
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 3:26 PM"It is truly in this kind of thinking and belief system that propels me forward.
We are each an embodyment of all of the divine matter, and energy that is cosmically entangled in the universe that comprises all that is. We are just to confused and afraid to remember that most of the time."
I completely agree. However, don't forget that this thinking is ironically the antithesis of much Christian thought, which identifies the assertion than humans are divine as the principal lie of Satan. This worldview denies the right of humans to become creators, since this status belongs only to God. This is one of the principal sources of the confusion. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 3:58 PMCosmic Irony. There have been books written that make a convicing case that the "God(z)" of the old testiment were Extra-terrestrials; Orion and/or reptilian ETs. "One True Godism" and denial of humanity as anything more than being "sheep". Obey the word from on high. Worship the "divine" beings (with their supernatural technologies). Humanity is the victim of a monstrous scam which turns spirituality on its head. Slavery under and fealty to the one true "god". All you have to do is follow the rules of the church and the schills of "God Incorporated" will validated your parking spot for the "Afterlife Inc." If you seek your personal divinity, you are a heretic. Can you blame me for cringeing a little whenever someone invokes the name "God" and asks us to pray to "him"? I am always respectful of the spirit of those who do so, as they are usually well-meaning.....but quietly I am praying for everyone's enlightenment and personal divinity. Let us all remember the Godliness that each of us embodies as best we can, and forget the Corporate UniGod religions, Amen -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 4:45 PM"However, don't forget that this thinking is ironically the antithesis of much Christian thought, which identifies the assertion than humans are divine as the principal lie of Satan"
yea man,
it would be to hard to assume control and create a fear based center of power with all us barely evolved monkeys runin round, thinking we had this universal power within ourselves..
Take the divine away from us, instill a fear of our greatest powers in sexuality and individual compassion. Create a tempermental wizard like figure that we must oblidge and humor, and lose ourselves in the pleasing of his will. And then we are moldable to anything that falls into our heads, and down our throats.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 6:14 PMI'm reading a wonderful book right now that I'd recommend to anyone who has an open mind to considering how religion evolved and what it's good (or bad) for:
"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon" by Daniel Dennett
www.amazon.com/Breaking-S.../067003472X
I just finished the chapted entitled "Belief in Belief", which is excellent. Here's an excerpt (p. 207):
"... when the skepticism becomes more threatening, stronger measures can be invoked. One of the most effective is also one of the most transparent: the old *diabolical lie*... It is, almost literally, a trick with mirrors, and, like many good magic tricks, it's so simple that it's hard to believe it could ever work... If I were designing a phony religion, I'd sure include a version of this little gem--but I'd have a hard time saying it with a straight face:
"If anybody ever raises questions or objections about our religion that you cannot answer, that person is almost certainly Satan. In fact, the more reasonable the person is, the more eager to engage you in open-minded and congenial discussion, the more sure you can be that you're talking to Satan in disguise! Turn away! Do not listen! It's a trap!
"What is particularly cute about this trick is that it is a perfect 'wild card', so lacking in content that *any* sect or creed or conspiracy can use it effectively. Communist cells can be warned that any criticism they encounter is almost sure to be the work of FBI infiltrators in disguise, and radical feminist discussion groups can squelch any unanswerable criticism by declaring it to be phallocentric propaganda being unwittingly spread by a brainwashed dupe of the evil patriarchy, and so forth. This all purpose loyalty-enforcer is paranoia in a pill, sure to keep the critics muted if not silent."
These comments resonated with me like the vibration of an enormous gonnnnnggggg.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 6:17 PMThe late Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan www.churchofsatan.com , liked to point out: Satan is doesn't hate knowledge, but stupidity. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages >>god, eh? I'm no athiest, but could you be more specific?
Tue, September 19, 2006 - 9:47 AM"If anybody ever raises questions or objections about our religion that you cannot answer, that person is almost certainly Satan. In fact, the more reasonable the person is, the more eager to engage you in open-minded and congenial discussion, the more sure you can be that you're talking to Satan in disguise! Turn away! Do not listen! It's a trap! "
!!!LOL!!!
I can hear dana carvey as church lady Screaming her only rebuttal of eternal damnation
and saying
" could it be ,,, SATAN??"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Lady
The only part that isnt so humorous is the level of truth woven into the satire.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, November 7, 2006 - 9:26 PMahh indeed, well said, we all have a different paths due to a different perception of our subconcious actions that create our reality. Once we tap into the source we begin to see we as well hold great capabilities because of who we already are, which is one with that source but unfortanitly we can't reach to the masses that do not realize this about themselves, so they will be lead by control. some of us with this awarness will leave in are light bodies others will stay to help the physical relm it's not the end of mankind but a shift that brangs two new plains or levels of conciousness one higher and one much lower
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 3:21 PM"I watched the video trailer. To me it had an evangelical undercurrent. I know its me (my reaction to my fundementalist christian background) but I still find myself uncomfortable when someone is promoted in a spiritual leader type role which is where I thought this might be going( claims of lineage, shaking hands with the Pope etc etc). Obviously seeing the complete feature might challenge and change that."
Well, evangelical Christians are a very powerful force in highland Guatemala today. They also represent a significant faction within the Guatemalan government and military. Catholic roots also run deep in Guatemala, where even the ancient Quiché text of the Popol Vuh has clear and pervasive Christian influence.
Let's not forget that there have been other successful voices that were synchretisms of indigenous and Christian traditions. The classic example is "Black Elk Speaks: Being the Life Story of a Holy Man of the Oglala Sioux":
www.amazon.com/Black-Elk-.../0803261705
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 1:15 AMI also just watched the trailer. The message seems very real to me, and the film's edits artistic. I have read reviews posted and feel some may be missing the point. We seem to know it all, but if we put the name dropping and egos aside for a moment and view the intent of the message for what it is, we find a message of oneness.
The music in the trailer is North American in origin, not Andean, and the scenes of Egyptian pyramids are actually temples in Tikal; you can see these photos on their website. I would assume this trailer is an eye catcher or hook to the documentary. I wouldn't want to sit and analyze whether or not they're going to use Guatemalan music or not. Tearing into the specifics is a VERY Western thing to do and misses the heart and intent of the piece. As far as the comments about Machu Picchu and Tikal: I've read the movies treatment and it mentions the what is going on. It seems the Mayans are some sort of sub plot regarding a common indigenous prophecy of transition. The filmmakers may be connecting central, northern, and southern parts of the americas. Have we really lost the feeling of unity in our analysis of minute details?
The edits seem to be motivated by style i.e: Don Alejandro picking up the belt in reverse and a flame coming off this finger-tips. I'm sure all this will serve a purpose in the film. The 16mm or film sequences seem to shift us through transitions with high contrast and overlaying effects; very cool and appealing to watch, each frame appearing as a mobile painting. Every film has it's critics. I give my blessings to this project. I can't wait to see what it's all about. Does anyone know when it's coming out and who the filmmakers are?
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humans into cosmic citizens
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 9:34 AMLove this thread! I find much truth here.
I don't think this film is intending to elevate Don Alejandro to savior status. He is a prominenent messenger of the Maya, and they have some very important and timely messages for us.
And I like the bit with the pope. When you consider the role Catholicism has played in Maya history, watching Don Alejandro with John is reminds me of the Dalai Lama thanking the Chinese for their profound lessons.
I am not waiting to be saved, but I wait (and work toward) for the awakening of Christ consciousness on Earth.
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 11:01 AM"we are the one's we've been waiting for"
Amen to that!
It seems I may have spoken too soon about how great this documentary might be, since I haven't yet seen the trailer. I guess I'll watch it sometime tonight and then comment about how great/not-so-great this documentary might be.
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Fri, September 22, 2006 - 9:14 PMBack to the trailer for "The Shift of the Ages"...
There are a number of things about it that cause my skeptical antennae to go up (for the geezers, the visual effect is exactly that of what happened periodically to "Uncle Martin" in the 1960s sitcom "My Favorite Martian").
- The two Hispanic women at the beginning are not especially articulate. Both of them stumble over their words, yet are caught saying "profound" things. If their English is bad but they know these things, they must be right. Right?
- The first makes a reference to a physical change, the "pole shift theory" (a la Charles Hapgood). How in the heck did she learn about that? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_theory "Different place, uh, different position?" That's really not so hard to say. What's communicated by this woman's seemingly stumbling to explain an esoteric theory?
- The second woman says something that can't possibly be true: "... to see that there is no difference between religions." That's absurd. Of course there are differences among religions! Big ones, too. She goes on to say, "I believe that everybody is tired of wars. We want peace. And we have to insist that our goverments stop these wars." Well, that part's okay, but it doesn't make the first statement true.
- The title of the movie appears with an image of the Aztec calendar stone, but the movie is about a *Maya* holy man. The Aztecs and Mayas were totally distinct cultures.
- The transitions between scenes have an artificial flipping, light flares, and problems with frame control, like artifacts from old 16 mm film cameras. These are things people associate with the famous Magruder film of the the JFK assassination, clips of Bigfoot in the northwest woods, and footage of UFOs. These are archaic visual artifacts, since they don't appear in modern digital cinematography unless for stylistic "effect". The intention is to create a "conspiracy" feel of secrets traded among the cognoscenti.
- The initial clip of Don Alejandro is shown in reverse, with his cloth belt "leaping" into his hands from the floor. He's next shown with a flame or flash coming from his fingertips (in the mirror). This is obviously an allusion to his "magical" powers, but he doesn't *really* pick up his belt this way or shoot fire from his fingers.
- The music that plays behind the scenes of Don Alejandro is of the "pop Andean" genre, the kind recorded by upper middle-class musicians in Peru. The music has little to do with Guatemala or even indigenous people (beyond folkloric representations).
- Don Alejandro, the "Wandering Wolf" is show shaking hands with John Paul II. What's *that* all about? There aren't too many wolves in highland Guatemala. Not even coyotes. In his "wandering", he takes the train to Machu Picchu, the quintessential middle-class New Ager experience. Why not visit some of the ruins in highland Guatemala, or at least some indigenous village in Peru, rather than a tourist trap where the ecology is far from balanced? (Machu Picchu is an ecological disaster.)
- A woman standing somewhere in the Peruvian Andes (it looks like the valley around Pisac to me) says "...look in to the stars. You just feel more powerful." It then shows images of Andean people blowing on shell trumpets and prayingm then rapidly cuts in images of Tikal, Guatemala and then the pyramids at Giza, Egypt (??!) Pyramids in Egypt?
The allusions to the polar shift theory at the beginning and the images of Egyptian pyramids intercut with Maya ones near the end tag this a flick as one tainted with New Age pseudoscience and speculation from the likes of Graham Hancock. The flickering image transitions and distortions remind me of UFO films. There's "woo woo" all over this trailer. No wonder it's so appealing... -
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why piss on the parade?
Sat, September 23, 2006 - 7:48 AMMaybe we should reserve our judgements until we've actually experienced this film.
We can then use our gifts of upper-middle class education and keen intellect to dissect the film's actual content, rather than simply shred apart the preview.
Or maybe we can use our heads with hearts to see the bigger picture as it emerges, and be inspired that there are those who dedicate their lives to true wisdom and harmony.
This is the path I choose.
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 11:56 PM"Maybe we should reserve our judgements until we've actually experienced this film."
Perhaps, but isn't a trailer part of the experience of the film?
"Or maybe we can use our heads with hearts to see the bigger picture as it emerges, and be inspired that there are those who dedicate their lives to true wisdom and harmony."
It's you who seem to have already decided, on the basis of just a short trailer, that this film contains "true wisdom and harmony" rather than illusions and misrepresentations. It's you who are rushing to judgement, not I. Ignorance is bliss, or so it's been said.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Sat, September 23, 2006 - 9:15 AMAs someone who has done a lot of Mac video editing, I recognized a lot of effects from Final Cut Pro, the budget editing tool of choice. The music also sounds very much like Soundtracks, Apples royalty-free music program that comes bundled with FCP. I used to teach FCP video editng, and I can tell you that it's not uncommon for first-time filmmakers and editors to overload their films with cheesy effects like that too. Let's hope they have a lighter touch on the actual movie. -
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 11:07 AMthis has the feel of a castaneda'ish evaluation / argument of sorts. is it the need to validate the truth of the occurance or do we bypass the scrutiny of truth and try to listen to and place more importance on the message?
my thoughts are,
first,
i feel that the message that could be offerered to the masses thru this film holds the highest order, in that it could awaken and lead others to the shift or the movement. At which point they can join and discern ensuing information the same way that we are all doing now. We have all been somewhat deadened by the explosiveness or sensationalism of modern media, so if you dont add lots of flashing visuals nowdays you might not get any attention. Think back to what information brought each of us to this place. May it have been weaved with modern messaging techniques or information that could easily have been pulled apart?
to me this is the more important thing to look at.
any form of media can and does get ripped to shreds by someone elses belief or disbelief system. Movies, articles, scriptures, you name it, there is a skeptic for all of it. Which is why I believe more in the media of feelings and emotions. They are the undeniable vehicle for transmitting information that is most pertinant to who we each are.
granted we all have a ways to go in the understanding and interpretation of feelings particularly in the area of cutting thru all the bs drama that our egos and minds tend to insert into current interpretations.
(can you say JERRY SPRINGER??)
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 11:50 PM"i feel that the message that could be offerered to the masses thru this film holds the highest order, in that it could awaken and lead others to the shift or the movement. At which point they can join and discern ensuing information the same way that we are all doing now."
Sort of like the story of Moses on Mt. Sinai? Or the Buddha under the Bodhi tree? Or Jesus on the cross? Or Mohammed's ascent? Or does acceptance of the message condition one's ability to discern reality from metaphor?
"Which is why I believe more in the media of feelings and emotions. They are the undeniable vehicle for transmitting information that is most pertinant to who we each are."
Yes, but as you note with your reference to Jerry Springer, feelings can get in the way of clearheaded thinking. They are a useful vehicle, but fortunately not the only one.
"when we shed all the current vernacular and rhetoric, and speak and hear thru the heart, we will have taken the next step."
But shouldn't we be mindful of Marshall McLuhan's cogent observation? "The medium IS the message." -
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 7:14 AM>Sort of like the story of Moses on Mt. Sinai? Or the Buddha under the Bodhi tree? Or Jesus on the cross? Or Mohammed's ascent? Or does acceptance of the message condition one's ability to discern reality from metaphor?<
Certainly, and the frame of mind in which it was accepted by an individual if in fact it was accepted. I belive that each persons journey leading up to the moment of contact might assist in alligning the way an individual will process a message. Someone in despair might see the hopes in a newly presented message and set the hook deep without questioning anything. One must observe that an individuals life might turn out for the better because of this message alone, or the messsage leadin them to another source. However someone who is content in their place, might not feel compelled to make a move either way. I would add though that the acceptance of a presented message be it metaphor or realty still contains the power to dramatically alter the course of an individuals, and in your examples,scores of humans lives. right or wrong, dellusional or not, might be only for the individual to access.
>Yes, but as you note with your reference to Jerry Springer, feelings can get in the way of clearheaded thinking. They are a useful vehicle, but fortunately not the only one. <
very true, which is why i gave this example. This show as a microcosm of the life around exemplifies the point of our western comical (and tragic) misunderstandings of emotions and feelings. I think that words and educational distances and experiences drives anail in our current form of communicating as well. With that in mind, i feel that emotions and feelings are capable of transcending the barriers as they speak to who we truly are. This language, if learned correctly, would give more insight to us personally and give us a platform for more compassionate dealings with one another. I dont believe that this would upend the need for all that we know or communication on an intellectual level though. Together, well underrstood, we can move forward as a human species far faster.
>But shouldn't we be mindful of Marshall McLuhan's cogent observation? "The medium IS the message."<
hmm I may need to chew on this a bit.
I would say though that, in relation to my point of emotional communication, if the human connection could be made thru a common emotional language, then the medium, a human, would be the perfect for the message. -
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whoa, cowboy!
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 8:31 AM"...isn't a trailer part of the experience of the film?"
Yes, but because there is not time to convey the meat and pototoes of a film in a trailer, so it is a rather superficial experience. I think the trailer sucks, but I'm OPEN to the possibility that this film doesn't.
"It's you who seem to have already decided, on the basis of just a short trailer, that this film contains "true wisdom and harmony" rather than illusions and misrepresentations. It's you who are rushing to judgement, not I. Ignorance is bliss..."
Damn right I think this film contains true wisdom and harmony. There's probably a bunch of bullshit in it as well, but why would I want to focus on that? I only need to be aware of it, but that's not where I choose to put my attention.
This film features a man who is known by and dear to my family--a man who is a messenger dedicated to true wisdom and harmony. If ignorance is bliss, what is firsthand experience and knowing? Ecstacy, baby--and I don't mean sassafrass.
Peace, my brother.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 11:04 AMI'm by no means offering a critique of the contents of the movie based on the aesthetics of the trailer. I just wanted to offer another perspective on some of the things people have been discussing such as music and visual effects. Perhaps those choices were made simply because the filmmakers are working with the tools they have at their disposal.
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 2:57 PM
- The second woman says something that can't possibly be true: "... to see that there is no difference between religions." That's absurd. Of course there are differences among religions! Big ones, too. She goes on to say, "I believe that everybody is tired of wars. We want peace.<<
that part stuck me especially after watching a special on holy jihad last night. there is a great difference between many things, though there is a common thread, not all people want peace, its pretty obvious at the mo. people are struggling for peace, which is still a near miss.
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 3:55 PMI will be attending a presentation given by Carl Johan Calleman Thursday and hope to meet the film crew at that event. My last knowledge of this film was an interview done on the radio with the crew on the day before they flew to Central America to film it. I have been on pins and needles ever since.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 7:14 AMAll religions are indeed the same. Judaism, Christianity , Catholicism and Islam were all manufactured for the same agenda and all those who worship these prison religions are played off against one another. We are all from the same light stream, all off the genetic blueprint of the creator-source. There is no reason for religious fighting accept that global elite's manipulate and distort truth through their divide and conquer agenda going all the way back to Babylon and prior to the first genetic tampering by our wannabe overlords.
It's all manipulationg of the split our minds took on as we took on duality. Now we are coming home so there is a heating up of the biosphere of consciousness in order to lift the veil and weave our brains back together.
I trust the process, but we also need to wake up from these mind control religions. We are already free light beings of the I Am supreme energy of this or any universe. We have nothing to fear and everything to look forward to.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 9:10 AMNow we are coming home so there is a heating up of the biosphere of consciousness in order to lift the veil and weave our brains back together. <<
this is true. the heating up of our planet is caused by the solar heart, the one sun, the star in sight. burning out the impurities of the four lower bodies. the religious and political parties are the duality. it won't change as its a pure design. the trick is to not play the game, or abandon it in favor for lighting it up >beyond belief<.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 7:16 AMAlmost a century ago, in 1908, Richard Hatfield published a fantasy novel called "Geyserland". According to L. Sprague de Camp (in his excellent 1954 book "Lost Continents: The Atlantis Theme in History, Science, and Literature"), Hatfield "represented the Atlanteans as living a blissful life of pure ideal communism at the North Pole. The book is based upon a theory propounded in 1852 by Alphonse-Joseph Adhémar, that from time to time ice piles up at the poles until the earth becomes unstable and does a flip so that the new poles are where the equator used to be. The last of these cataclysms, of course, formed the basis of Atlantis, Noah's Flood, and so on. Not only was the theory wrong, but also the author [Hatfield] had no notion of how to tell a story. The result is a stupendous mass of politico-economic argument thinly disguised as fiction and quite unreadable" (p. 160).
So, one of the themes in this new movie repeats the premise of a bad science fiction novel written almost 100 years ago.
de Camp notes that "Geyserland" was preceded by a better novel, "Scarlet Empire" (1906), that tells the story of a young socialist who discovers Atlantis thriving under the sea, protected by a giant crystalline zone. Atlantis is described as a "utopian" society that takes egalitarianism to the extreme. Individualism is punished by feeding the offenders to a giant kraken. The book gets its name from the fact that everyone walks around in scarlet robes. As the hero is trying to escape with his girl in a submarine, they are attacked by the kraken. They fire a torpedo at it, which misses and destroys the dome--and Atlantis. The book was written as an anti-utopian jab at socialism.
The practice of intertwining the Mayas and ancient Egypt, Atlantis and utopian visions, all within antiquated theories of geology and world history has been going on for over 150 years now, if not even longer (I suspect the roots lie in Sir Thomas More's "Utopia" of 1515 and the subsequent grown of Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry). There's really not much "new" about the New Age, and this movie is just one of its most recent manifestations.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 7:28 AMBy the way, the full title of Hatfield's book was "Geyserland: Empiricism in Social Reform". This used bookseller gives its publication date as 1907.
www.betweenthecovers.com/btc/item/43819
Note that the image on the cover of the book's first edition is a map of Geyserland at the North Pole as it appeared in 9262 B.C., prior to the cataclysm that destroyed it.
I wonder whether Graham Hancock, Rand Flem-Ath, Colin Wilson, or other advocates of the Atlantis-in-Antarctica-polar-shift-disaster theory realize that some of the roots of their pseudoscience can be traced to a sharp parody of Socialism written a hundred years ago. -
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Thanks Hoopes
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 8:24 AMThank you for bringing some other (dare I say, sober) perspectives to this thread.
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Re: Thanks Hoopes
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 12:27 PMThanks! I've been fascinated by this theme for a long time now. In fact, it was the joyful experience of a well-researched paper on the theme of Atlantis that put me on the path to becoming what I am today.
In re-reading Ignatius Donnelly for the first time in many years, I came across some clues to how the ancient Maya and the myth of Atlantis became so intimately connected.
The Abbé Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, the discoverer of both the Ximenez translation of the "Popol Vuh" (the Quiché Maya story of Creation) and Bishop Diego de Landa's "Relación de las cosas de Yucatan" (which contained the mistaken "alphabet" that later proved to be the key to deciphering Maya hieroglyphic writing), had begun his career as a writer of romance novels. Although he later became a priest and traveled extensively in North and Central America, he never lost his romantic fascination with the past. He became a believer in the connections between ancient Egypt and the Maya, and made direct comparisons between the Popol Vuh and Plato's Atlantis myth in his introduction to the very first publication of this work. Brasseur was the first scholar to teach a course on ancient Mesoamerica at a major university (the Sorbonne), and he interlace his interpretations with insinuations of Atlantean connections.
One of Brasseur's books was illustrated by Jean-Francois Waldeck, a gifted illustrator who nonetheless embellished his drawings of ancient Maya ruins in the Yucatan and Chiapas with details drawn from Greek, Roman, and Egypttian civilization.
Donnelly, in using Brasseur's publications of the 1860s, thought (and quite rightly) that he was consulting "cutting edge" scholarship on the ancient Maya. He didn't realize that it was deeply flawed, and only contributed further to the confusion.
I suspect that Donnelly was a Freemason, and possibly a Rosicrucian, but I haven't yet found any clear evidence for that.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 10:28 AMI quit reading sci-fi and fantasy in my teen years, and realized my own attempts to write fiction would only add to the mess, when finding, or at least moving toward truth seemed a much better way to spend my time. One can disproved and criticize endlessly, although, again, i have found my time better spent looking with an open mind at those elements which can only be explained away by inventing more fiction to satisfy the cynical bent inspired by watching Plan 9 From Outer Space and the reams of silly pulp fantasy dating back centuries apparently.
Meanwhile there are credible things worth examination :
1. Billy Meier
2. The Monuments on Mars by Richard Hoagland
3. Evaluations done on the Sphinx at Giza determining the extensive weathering on the sculpted surface of the bulk of the sculpture below the head dates it as having to have been carved over 10,000 years ago (it used to have a lion's head but was resculpted from the neck up)
4. Numerous documented cases of children (and adults) knowing very detailed and obscure information about people's lives which they say they remember living..... details they could not possibly have fabricated....(the intuitive mind can be extremely accurate, and reincarnation is as near to being fact as you could hope to prove)
(5.-10000) There's more, but this is enough for now. You can single out details and figure out alternative explanations and ignore those bits that defy reductional explanation endlessly.....and rush to hurredly reach conclusions before conclusions are at all appropriate......throw out the sworn testimony of thousands of eye witnesses.......
I'm a ex-debater and i know all the games and to me they are just games........not helpful towards getting a grasp on the truth. Pointing out humanity's dubious grip on the truth and implying/urging that only the institution of science as established in the halls of learning, or the like, is authorized to make meaningful evaluations......and those utilizing such dubious means as their intuitive minds are nothing but irresponsible.....
Excellent ploys if all one cares about is "winning" a debate round.... but I know we are all here for a greater purpose than that..... so I look forward to seeing more openminded qualities in evaluations being posted (as I credit all concerned with doing from time to time), along with all the curious information regarding humanities' predilictions for fictions. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 4:01 PMWith regard to the following:
1. Billy Meier
I hadn't heard of him before this, but I'll have a look at his stuff:
www.billymeier.com
2. The Monuments on Mars by Richard Hoagland
I did look into these, and they've been demonstrated to be an optical illusion:
www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM09F..._index_0.html
3. Evaluations done on the Sphinx at Giza determining the extensive weathering on the sculpted surface of the bulk of the sculpture below the head dates it as having to have been carved over 10,000 years ago (it used to have a lion's head but was resculpted from the neck up)
The work of John Anthony West and Robert Schoch has been thoroughly debunked by professional archaeologists and Egyptologists. Check out the articles on the Sphinx here:
www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php
4. Numerous documented cases of children (and adults) knowing very detailed and obscure information about people's lives which they say they remember living..... details they could not possibly have fabricated....(the intuitive mind can be extremely accurate, and reincarnation is as near to being fact as you could hope to prove)
One of the most famous examples of this was Bridey Murphy, who was shown to be a fraud:
skepdic.com/bridey.html
As with alien abduction--not to discount your own personal experience--each of these claims must be investigated on a case-by-case basis.
Should we also accept the claims about the Shroud of Turin, crying or bleeding sculptures of the Virgin Mary, and even a miraculous image of the Virgin that appeared on a grilled cheese sandwich?
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4034787.stm
How about Joseph Smith and his golden plates in the Hill of Cumorah?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose...ith%2C_Jr.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Plates
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumorah
"Miracles", never in short supply, have been used for at least a couple of millennia now to raise cathedrals and basilicas and to convert millions. History suggests to me that we should be cautious about what we believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 8:45 PMYou'll have to look at Richard Hoagland's book, as it is filled with an extremely detailed analysis of not only the face, but the entire Cydonia site, which is laid out with precise mathematical redundancies in addition to the perfect symmetry of the face. There is also a perfectly bi-laterally symmetrical 5-sided pyramid adjacent and aligned with the face. It reads with the kind of alignments one finds at such places as Chaco Canyon in many ways, though more mathematical than astronomically aligned.
The debunking on the Sphinx was not so convincing to me as a stone expert. Based on the assumption that stone buried in sand and kept wet will deteriorate.....from its surface and forming channellike grooves? Nothing compellingly convincing in this unbunkety bunk.
As you say, there will be frauds, and Bridey Murphy is likely one of them. What relevance does this have to all the incredible cases that cannot be unbunkied?
I'll concede the Shroud is not the real deal. Bleeding sculptures, the Virgin on grilled cheese, and Joseph Smith are valid fuel for skepticism, I'll grant you that. I don't buy wholesale into all things miraculous, and agree we should be cautious about what we believe. I'm just saying the same goes for the work of scientific experts. They can come up with some pretty convincing arguments, and sometimes they are correct. Yet those scientists that verify things very far outside of convention seem to suddenly lose their credibility and their work is kicked aside as being "unscientific". Disincentives for the truth do exist when those truths undermine those in power. There are motives for the subtle, unspoken conspiracies to maintain the status quo, through the power to disenfranchise those who turn up information and analysis that doesn't fit the accepted patterns......and there are rewards for those who use their expertise to reinforce the current power structure. An effortlessly self-perpetuating kind of subtle yet functional "conspiracy" of sorts; so pervasive and ingrained through centuries of tradition that, indeed, no one is necessarily having to hold secret sinister meetings to further 'conspire' control. Control is simply perpetuating more control as an accepted way of being. Meanwhile indiviuals like us are trying to make up for the gross failures of this system of repression of anything "too technologically strange". Extraterrestrials have technologies that are supernatural compared to ours. Their bodies are less dense than ours in most cases, so that they actually are able to exist in dimensions like the astral plane (4th) as well as the 5th dimension....so there is an element of the supernatural about the whole thing. Their advanced technologies include the ability to accelerate human physical bodies into light frequencies that enable them to manipulate us through this laserlike light beam ....which is how they can abduct people right through "solid" walls and up the light beam into their ship. Yet this whole epoch of abductions is a fading phenomenon....as they got the research and genetic material they were after for the most part. No doubt this all reads as jibberish in the mind of anyone who believes in maintaining a worldview that is safe and sane. I've always tried to remain on the "safe and sane" side of things myself....but my very real experiences with the paranormal have shown me how dangerous it can be to ignore experiences that are "outside the box" when they inconveniently intrude upon you. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, November 7, 2006 - 8:44 PMI agree with you, Leslie, that the monuments of mars have not been "debunked" quite yet. . . . -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 7:17 AMO we lived on Mars. Of that I am certain. In fact, all or most of our planets have life on dimensions a bit more refined that our o so certain scientific measurements from within linear time. -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 8:55 AMThat's what people don't understand due to their disconnect from their own spirits. I happen to recall being in other dimensions... and those more etheric dimensions are where much of the culture of light beings exists on those planets too hostile to support physical incarnations. As you say, we are also light beings with the added dimension of 3-D linear time/space... so we can't dismiss life forms that are more etheric since we possess etheric light bodies as well... and our light bodies are what endures beyond the passing of the fragile physical bodies... -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 9:27 AM< I happen to recall being in other dimensions... >
perhaps you are even in those other dimensions right at this moment... -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Thu, November 9, 2006 - 1:19 PMEach of our chakras connects with related dimensions of spirit... I often seem to be able to see into other dimensions ...
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 9:30 AMHoopes wrote: "There's really not much "new" about the New Age, and this movie is just one of its most recent manifestations."
This certainly is true. One of the things that I take as a good argument against any specific date or time line for a transformation of the world is the fact that such calculations have such a failed history. Christian apocalypticism (the tradition I know best) has come up with so many different dates for the Big Event... and every time one of these dates passed, believers simply recalculated a new date farther off in the future.
In the first century, the New Testament writers were claiming that "this generation will not pass away" before the second coming of Christ. Ooops! Didin't happen. The next big date for the apocalypse was set at 200. This was based on a set of calculations about the age and expected perdurance of the world known as the "cosmic week": the idea was that, just as God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, so human history would persist for 6 "days" of 1000 years, with a thousand years of rest scheduled for the seventh "day," corresponding to the millennium of the book of revelation. Christian thinkers like Lactantius were calculating that Jesus had been born 5800 years from the Creation, hence that 200 years after his birth, the year 6000 from Creation would be reached and the millennium would begin.
When this failed to occur, later thinkers decided that the world was only 5500 years old at the time of Jesus' birth, and that the apocalypse would occur in (our equivalent to) 500. Next, the year 800 was predicted, then 1000, the 1033.
By this time, the cosmic week was losing traction. New apocalyptic theories put forth by the thinker Joachim of Fiore suggested a melioristic process to history, in which human society would become ever more perfected, contemplative, and spiritually evolved. Joachim used all sorts of organic metaphors, and he painted complicated diagrams in the form of flowering trees, showing how the world would reach its fullest expression. As for dating, he based his calculations on complicated systems of correspondences between three ages: the Age of the Father (descibed in the Hebrew Bible), the Age of the Son (initiated by Jeus and guided by the New Testament), and the Age of the Holy Spirit to come (perfecting the other two and in theory involving additional new scriptures). Each age would persist for the same number of generations. The system is complicated, but the logical outcome of his writings was that the apocalypse should occur in 1260. When this did not occur, recalculations led to 1300, then 1330.... and it goes on and on.
The history of utopian/melioristic/perfectionist hopes for a transformation of this world are not new at all. What this history suggests to me, however, is that if we want to live in a more perfect world, we have to do it ourselves and not expect some outside force or figure to appear and give it to us. It's likely that most of us on this tribe ARE doing this... but why attribute these changes to something outside yourself/ -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 10:36 AM"The history of utopian/melioristic/perfectionist hopes for a transformation of this world are not new at all. What this history suggests to me, however, is that if we want to live in a more perfect world, we have to do it ourselves and not expect some outside force or figure to appear and give it to us. It's likely that most of us on this tribe ARE doing this... but why attribute these changes to something outside yourself"
That is the problem with the 'waiting game', and with objectified (separated) truth,
authority, power. The past is a trail of carnage left in the wake of consciousness which
has failed (seemingly) to take the helm, to be the creators rather than the recipients.
My solution was to put the 'shift' in the past. I am out of the waiting game. It is nothing
but waves of unfolding at this point. There are definitely surges and thresholds that
arise in the outflow, but they are not predictable and not immediately figure-outable
either. And I wouldn't want it any other way, prepackaged or given. The way of the
world is not a very creative method.
2012. Most of the focus with that is from the perspective of the outside looking in and
hoping to catch something that can be translatable in terms that hominid conscious-
ness can handle, like everything else it knows in life - in those terms. As such it
can see only the most superficial aspects of this shift/process, and understand little
of it.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, September 26, 2006 - 10:01 PM"What this history suggests to me, however, is that if we want to live in a more perfect world, we have to do it ourselves and not expect some outside force or figure to appear and give it to us."
Amen, Sister! This message is emerging in more than one thread.
"but why attribute these changes to something outside yourself"
I suspect it's a way of confronting the very real possibiity that we are failing at the task and that it's also all our fault.
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Tue, November 7, 2006 - 8:25 PMI felt the trailer for this movie did what it was suppose to do. Speak to those you wanted to listen. I believe it represented a message that is universal. Whether someone sees flaws in the way it is presented, maybe the message is not clear, and so be it.
"I suspect it's a way of confronting the very real possibiity that we are failing at the task and that it's also all our fault."..........
WE, is a very strong word.....and we can change, however I believe it starts with the immediate surrounding of where you are....maybe you can not change what is across the continent...but you can change what is infront of you....and that is a start.... -
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Re: The Shift of the Ages
Wed, November 8, 2006 - 6:39 PMEvery cell of our body is a sun. A sun. You are in the light and nothing you do or say can take you out of it.
It is a light's economy. An army of dark t-shirts is nothing in the face of the light coming into the world.
May your truth come unto you in the myriad forms of the Great Source is in love with you your whole existence, ready to grant your every wish.
Everyone has a bright future.
Blessed Be.
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