Hoopes: oops...

What I meant to say was "the" pyramids are amazing! I don't know much about the Bosnian Pyramids. Can you elaborate? Or, actually some one posted about these.... I will read about it.

Peace*

well, i've seen enough of Naomi's pattern by now to take a different spin on her presentation.

She's playing a role...she's not actually going to respond directly to any dialogue invites

she lands the bomb and never comes back to it...I suspect she stays completely away from the threads she starts in this bombastic, confrontational manner, probably doesn't read the responses so as to not get triggered emtionally or to take responsibility for what she stirs...they are more emotional releases serving her own venting needs than they are actual invitations to dialogue with any other individuated self

so why get hooked into it and respond as if she were not depersonified in the equation? she is...it's easy to throw firecrackers over the fence and duck down taking refuge...

if it were not so unconscious we might be able to grant her the title of psychopomp; but since I do believe that this is willful rather than volitional, at best I could grant her the title of troll...on a better day; provocateur

new buyer beware; old trick at hand

so I will stand up for what I beleive.

people like you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. you are passing off superiority, self righteousness, and arrogance as some form of activist spirituality.

Practice what you preach. Go to the woods and tune in. Get connected with something other than your little ego self.

OOps i forgot....You should have said...
""If you know who I AM and what I stand for, then you will also understand my bear to a city comment"
Not...
"If you know who you are and what you stand for, then you will also understand my bear to a city comment"

VERY JUDGEMENTAL...Not nice...a sure way to have your more valid points brushed aside along with the rest of it..:(:( too bad..

careful not to fall off your soapbox...

a troll is a troll is a troll... pure and simple.

pathetic.

YES it is I FEEL IT!

EYE agree.

BluwOLF... you have a beautiful heart* Wow....

Hey, I am from Manitoba too! Red River Metis Indian here* (Cree/Swampy Cree - Mother>>>>English/Swedish - Father).....but now I live in BC.

Peace to your deep understanding girl!

Meegwich

I found truth in each and every post here. Like a rainbow of truth. many perspectives of the same hologram.
It is what it is , You are what is it, and there are No mistakes.
Love your brother/sister as you Love yourself.
Be gentle with yourself.
I love you all here ,so much enthusiasm to understand. , We are all participating in the great change here, everyone has their own Agenda, respect this and we will all play our role perfectly.
May we all be blessed with wisdom and understanding.

Oh yeah, and I *really like* and approve of what your friend did with the bulldozer - That's the kind of action that we need more of - I think I am like a lot of people, in that I tend toward passivity or inaction because it's so hard to think or feel or believe that anything we do will actually make an IMPACT - When activism means going to rallies & marches, writing letters, signing petitions, and all those things that seem to only make a minute amount of difference against corporate and governmental enemies who are so obstinate and unyielding (and our socalled representatives in an alleged democracy who are largely cowards and conciliators), people get overwhelmed by a sense of *futility* - I tell myself that I ought to act simply because it's the right thing to do, not because I expect it might make a serious degree of difference in the long run - I know, it's a lame excuse... even if we can only rescue one species from immediate extinction by beating our heads against a wall (while hundreds of other species disappear forever), we should tell ourselves it's worth the effort... It's a cyclical situation, though: I see so much apathy around me I think 'What difference is it gonna make if a handful of us try to bring down the beast when it's gonna take MILLIONS of us - At this stage I just feel: this whole system is wrong from the foundations of it, and just needs to come down to collapse and complete obliteration first, then out of the ashes, something true and beautiful will emerge - Hopefully, anyways - Meanwhile I just try to give consideration to making personal choices in my own habits and activities that reduce the negative impact my existence has on the Earth (I may spend too much time in front of this damned computer, but if everyone was as conscientious as I am, or try to be, regarding my consumer choices, it would make a significant difference)...

Hi Naomi,

I do understand what you’re trying to say, and I know that its hard when you do not fully comprehend the immense scientific nature of the "2012" hype and information circulating around. Forgive me for what I am about to say, but I feel like responding to your recent post.

First off, it is kind of hard for me to imagine you as an Indigenous Elder. I tried but something inside me does not sit right with that. It does not feel true. Are you are asking us to just "imagine it"?

The "New Age" information you refer to is actually not "New" to this Earth. This is an Ancient knowledge being remembered again now, in this Time to re-member ourselves in the wisdom of our Galactic cycles and iginte this into our conscious field.

It is sp good that we are free to embrace and practice this knowledge again in light of the fact that we do not have witch hunters or the Inquisition around to squash us or kill us as we rebirth the deeper wisdom and profound Universal understanding we are being opened up to now. (Well, not as deeply enforced as before anyway…. Some of us are still being scoffed at, put into mental institutions for seeing “visions” and jailed for being a warrior for freedom….) but, still not as badly as before in the dark ages.

Truly we are being encoded by certain frequencies now (again) as we shift from our current position in the Galaxy deeper into Universal Domain we live in. Naomi, just because you cannot understand the mathematical and quantum wisdom of Earth Science it doesn't mean its wrong ok?

The ancient scriptures that were burned in Alexandria held countless volumes of alchemical and highly mathematical knowledge about our Earth in relation to this Universe. The alchemy and science was immense and written in volumes of scrolls and books. There were ancient mappings of our Universe encoded into stone, written in stone. Cleverly thru means of an ability to see into the future thru "visions" these ancient powerful beings who cared about the future of our Earth, with their loving heart and deep devotion to life, caring for mankind, recorded them in ways that we would now be fully evolved enough to start to understand and reignite into our mental field in a safe way to aid us. They foresaw the destruction of Alexandria, this continent, this world and foreseen a force so deeply engrained in the lower vibrations of hate and fear, that they knew enough to engrave certain codices for the future to discover and remember. Thru out history many horrible people persecuted and killed many thousands of beings who wanted to maintain and continue to live in "light and love" magically and ceremonially in harmony with the Nature, this beautiful Earth remembering the wisdom not only etched in stone, but thru word of mouth.

The knowledge that was found in the sacred Temples of certain Pyramidal structures on this planet is incredible, not to be taken lightly. This was/is a message to the whole Earth. Not just one culture. These beings were not so racially segregated. The books and tablets that were burned in Mexico at the bloody hands of the Inquisition were thousands, and they held certain Time codes of Astronomical data. The millions of Natives, Japanese and Blacks were unjustly killed too with most of their Ancient knowledge forgotten. But some were still passed on. My great grandmother told me many stories. She was a medicine woman and a ghost dancer. They had to hide and do their ceremonies in secret. But because of the beautiful foresight of certain powerful shamanic mystics, scribes, ancient alchemical priestesses and priests, the wisdom of the Universe is being remembered and reborn.

There is no disputing the ancient writings that were found, and still are being uncovered as you well know, which reveal ancient sites that point to a deep understanding of our Earth cycles, Equinoxes etc in relation to the solar cycles and galactic spin.

I do find in my feelings right now that you are limited in your understanding because this "New Age" knowledge challenges your own belief system and intelligence. That’s ok. I hear you. I hope you can hear mine. I was taught to be open to all ways. I pray you will be open too.

Your ancestors were European? Well heck, if you want to start talking "nationality" then, remember it was the Europeans who were the bloodiest and most antagonizing people of all this planet with their bloody rape, colonialism and dominating culture which brought their "New World" and conquests to most every indigenous culture on this Earth. Even to their own people. They burned many witches, who fled Europe to come here, on our soil.

There were a lot of beautiful people who came here from Europe to get away from the restricting dogmatic fear based culture that dominated Europe, but many of the Elite monsters followed them here in suit to take over this Western Hemisphere. This "Western Mentality" you speak of is an Eastern European rooted anomaly, which stems even further back to perhaps other worlds. And its true that there were very mean tribes of Indians who slaughtered other Tribes of peaceful Indians…. the cannibalistic tribes of the Africa were also pretty scary to the peaceful Tribes of other Africans. But western, eastern, northern and southern really makes no difference. We are all one. Its about collectively learning to “understand” that we are One.

Why should we start bringing up "races" though right? Sheesh….not really wise to do this.

The fact that certain codices and keys were unearthed recently in the 20th century and allowed to be studied by 'conscious' people other than the High and mighty religious dogmatic Church Fathers of yesterday (who really had no idea of who Jesus truly was) is a prophecy unfolding now. This “new age” wisdom is allowing to pave the way and bring into the "light" certain powerful Truths and knowledge’s long forgotten. These truths that are now being uncovered about the alchemical ancient practices and astronomy realized by sages, aboriginal shamans, mystics, goddesses, priestesses, priests and holy people have been labelled "New Age" by people who are raised thru the ignorance of a limited culture dominated by media and television. This "New Age" knowledge you brand some of us as being wrong about here is in fact just the old wisdom resurrected, and I thank Creator for that we can again speak and do freely as we chose here. (well for now anyway….somethings are gong to happen soon, to fulfill prophecy in order for Truth to be realized)

The unfortunate spin off on all this 2012 stuff is that there are definitely many who took, will take this spiritual wisdom of intelligent understanding and spin them into fantastical elaborations of their own fantasy calling "doomsday" misleading many people so much as to cause the “Truth” to stay hidden and scoffed at. Just like they did with Jesus.

Whether or not "2012" is the “actual date of year” for the Grand Shift (how can one trust a calendar based on the Papal Gregorian Order) is irrelevant. The fact is, we are nearing the end of a cycle and entering a Precessional wave and the whole of the Galaxy is shifting its season. There are signs in the Earth and the Stars that show this. It has been written of an emerging NEW AGE in many many cultures around the world. And it is in the NOW that we must always stay present and aware knowing the future.

If you really care to understand about ancient Indigenous Prophecy than study further its wisdom from all walks of life. Its not for us to judge those who are trying to understand the mathematics and spiritual science of "2012", the galactic shift, in a world where there is much disinformation. At least we are all seeking knowledge here. Its ok for people to theorize and seek Truth and learn from their mistakes or powerful discoveries. You are just as guilty living here in this "western world" Naomi with all of your ego and "your way is the only Truth' kind of attitude... you limit your own understanding.

Just because you are intimidated by some who see the mystical nature of prophecy thru the science of our astronomical Universe and relate it to the beauty of Spirituality does not mean it is wrong or crap. There is a huge precessional cycle taking place. There is an astrological shift taking place. Sure many cycles and calendars have come and gone in the last 25,000 years, but what’s happening now is on a grand scale, ending a grand cycle. Its not just a Mayan thing. Its a Dogon, Hopi, Cree, Chinese etc., Revelation for us in this time frame.

If it were not for the "new age" hippy culture in the 60's (in which I was born in) liberating us from a very religious and fear based KKK kind of domination (germinated from Europe) we would not be so free to understand that women have rights, blacks and Indians should be honoured, that we should listen to voices of the indigenous Tribes who lived in harmony with Earth, who knew the supremacy of Earths medicines and the power of Sky receiving visions thru Great Spirit. We now can eat the 'herbs" of the forest (without getting burned to a freakin stake). If it were not for the "new age” hippies standing up for the Indigenous cultures of this Earth we would not be so educated in how to take care of our precious Mother Earth in a whole ORGANIC fashion. Have you ever heard the song "Age of Aquarius"? It’s a beauty.

If it were not for people like Jose Arguelles decoding the Codices scribed into the lid of Pacal Votans sarcophagus we would not have been made aware of how LUDICROUS and really insane the Gregorian domination of the Papal insurgents really were. We would not have been made aware of how beautiful and HIGHLY ADVANCED that the Mayans, in their astronomical wisdom and insights were. The tireless work and labour of Jose and many others who understood the immense importance of bringing this wisdom to light, exposing our current "Gregorian Calendar" as being so disharmonic and based on a "monetary culture" whereby contributing to the destruction of our noosphere, is a profoundly prophetic occurrence in this Time. If it were not for Pacal Votan and his knowledge we would not realize the beauty of following a 13 Moon calendar based on the NATURAL cycles of Time in relation to our Earth, in alignment with the Star systems. We would not be drawn to understand the incredible structures of the Pyramidal Houses built on this planet aligning with certain constellations.

If it were not for the power of wisdom itself and the Truth itself being passed down from our ancient elders and medicine people being deeply embraced by the offspring of a white culture we may have completely destroyed this planet long ago.

It was a Hopi prophecy that "long haired WHITE people" would be the ones to come forward and remember the ancient ways. Its in the Cree prophecy too concerning the Rainbow Warriors. I read in a very old Hopi book one time that an elder had prophesized that near the end of the Fourth entering into the Fifth world many White people would be reborn as Native, and many Native peoples would be reborn as White to complete and fulfill a karmic cycle.

Naomi, and really, its NOT about skin color. To speak about “White people” can stir up lots of racial stuff. Its time for the hatred to stop. Most of us now a days are mixed blood. My ancestors are Indian, and European. There were/are many beautiful white people and cultures too. The most powerful sages and mystic have always seen this Earth as One earth and regarded all knowledge as sacred and that love and honor were the most sacred energies to embrace.

Its simple to understand the reactions of a lot of people here. Your judgement was very harsh and antagonizing, and you still do not have the humility to say sorry for stirring up some shit. Instead you mentally wrap your head around some answers yourself to justify your means, as you yourself sit behind a computer. We are all guilty here of sitting behind computers. Yea, so? It doesn’t mean we don’t activate in our own communities and in our personal living to help this Earth. I do not need to explain to you in detail all that I have personally done and do to help activate conscious change. Just know that I do. I wonder how harmful “guilt” is? Really…. Why inflict ourselves and one another to feel guilty? Guilt, hate, greed etc stops us from raising our vibration and blocks our receptor sites in our cells that swirl in our body like the solar systems swirl in space.

I do not want you to feel guilty. I am simply speaking my mind here because I am called to right now. Perhaps I am being defensive… but as you well know, it’s ok to allow the warrior to come to surface sometimes. ;-) It is “my feeling” that perhaps your closed mind may not be beneficial to your own deeper growth girl. To say no to an invitation to sweat with another culture seems kind of ego based and fearful. Why hurt yourself like that. What was the point? You do not need to be led by fear. What an honor to attend a sweat! You could have learned something there. Your search for knowledge will be limited so far as you limit yourself.

I tell you that no matter what you call the name of any "calendar" the fact is the Moon and the Earth cycles are there for us all to recognize and be aware of. We are One Earth, One people on a planet with One Moon and One Sun. The 13 Moon calendar is bringing light into this world by asking us to stop our need to destroy this beautiful planet for commerce. Lets stop the destruction of Mother Earth and "shit" by not ingesting false food and stop destroying ourselves. The wisdom of this New Age that you seem to be angered by was/is inspired by an ancient truths and revelation to help rekindle an old fire and bring us all into the remembrance to our divine nature and relationship to this Earth and the Galaxy she so harmoniously spins in. Forgive me if I repeat myself concerning this. Its in my blood.

When Pacal Votans lid was decoded and Jose realized the immense knowledge that the Ancient Mayan knew (the old civilization that vanished) about the 19 complex calendars, and our spin etc, some scientists and astronomers felt to verify this, being scientists of course. And they did. Most could not dispute the wisdom and were absolutely amazed by the astronomical ingenious of these Calendars few could even understand. It had to take the higher understanding of physics, science and astronomy to understand the sheer genius of these calendars and written cycles. They realized that the ancient Mayans were dead on right. So some of the scientists and professors wrote books compelled to inspire and explain the Understanding and emergent need for the world to ‘know”. Some calcualted the Time frame for this Grand cycle as being 2012, in alignment with the winter solctice. Thank God for this. Thru the eyes of astronomy, and our own intution reignited we know now how indeed we are physically shifting as a whole solar system within the greater cycle and season of this Galaxy.

It may be that you are very intimidated by science, but I assure you, that ALL science really is, is the study of God; Life: the Omni presence of a Great Spirit (the etheric wave force of Quantum light). With the understanding about our solar system, our cells, the creation of galaxies, and the fact that we are not fully solid but are incredibly beautiful designs of atomic photon "light" fields effected by the wave principles of "Light Force", allows many to come out of an atheist mind. It is now easier to share with those not so open to the paranormal and understand the amazing principles behind shamanism, mysticism and Spirit; to understand that its not just hooky ramblings of an insane mind or sorcery that one can truly shape shift, walk on water, and effect physical change just by the vibratory sound of prayer, chanting and powerful intonations: Invocations.

There are those of us who were taught, learned the wisdom thru our parents and believe thru our intution about the Nature of Spirit, but there are those who need proof and qualified existence of these things to understand. Understand all is good. Mathemtaics, Science, spiritualiy, knowledge....it is good to gain wisdom and Unite to whole. Becoming whole.... is holy.

I have owned a computer for 5 years now. I will not be here writing on this computer too much more though ….for my world is rapidly changing and shift is happening fast. Until then I will continue to post here and have fun, inspiring wisdom and also learning much too. For I have learned a lot thru this dang computer. But even more so, most of my learning has come from being in Nature and sitting deeply alone with myself and sharing with others in ceremony.

With all my heart I have loved this life, love nature and I have and will always seek to know the ways of Earth and Sky; to know the heavens; the Universe outside and within. I was raised by a mother who made magic a lot and did ceremony often instilling in me the deep art of dreaming, understanding of Spirit. She was very eccentric and against all things artificial, and at all times advocated love as the deepest force of all. She studies many religions and cultures and often times would speak tome of them. I will forever be open to learning and to humbly embrace Truth when she stands before me, enfolding me in her powerful arms, liquefying me as I taste her deep ocean.

Forgive me if I have offended you in anyway. Take care Naomi. Don’t take me too personally, as I do not take you personally. I am grateful to you for you have given me the opportunity to write my feelings inspired by spirit. There is a reason for this all.

Peace*

On that note, I will leave now to pray in my own silence and get away from this screen, water my garden and ready for work tomorrow. I know that I sometimes spend too much time on this computer, I am accountable, I am. It’s a luxury that we all have been drawn to from time to time. For me, I also like to make music with this computer (record my songs onto it). All my songs are about peace, revelation and spirit and even though I mainly am an acoustic musician with guitar/voice… I am lured by the technology of sound. I am a writer. I am a channel for this amazing force we call music. (sigh) I am so aware right now…. as I feel my eyes tired from this screen I agree that the computer world can be an addiction for sure taking us away from Nature….its very harmful to our electromagnetic frequency (to the natural bio-rhythm of our organic body) There are prophecies regarding the nature of this “beast”. But that is for another thread. ;-)

wonderful sharing Star, it is a pleasure to see so much of you...:+)

blah blah blah. the great trash heap has spoken.

Davi…
'not all variables are constant' - i think I missed the meaning of that statement. variables are not constant, they’re holes you plug 'ifs' into...so that lost me. I dont suppose someone wants to argue the statement of 'supply and demand' = which is a false concept. The same with graph where the idea is to allow variables to remain constant to project future event...I dare someone to show me 'future constants' in an economic market. Graphs are only relevant when compared to other graphs of lesser or greater variables. Tribe makes 'she said, he saids / I'm Right your Wrong’ a constant and not a variable...as evident by the young ladies reply below about 'same shit different year'.

Marv & Davi…
If I say 'fuck you' and you say, 'No Fuck you'....it is simple and it is the same. Show me where the directions and the intellect of those to statement change the outcome of the conversation or the events?! Unless your intent is to bicker aimlessly...which it is Tribe's frontier movement: bricking about nothing...all the while, trying to shut out everyone that does not agree with the bla bla

Let me ask, what contributions has Tribe.net made to the changing of the society we live in? They come they bitch they leave, new ones come they bitch they leave. Has there been formations or counsels formed towards changing this 'capitalistic conspiratorial elitist class society' Tribe is always posting about?

I cant say 'No' definitively...I have not read every post on tribe. But based on the 'constant variables' (lol) I notice and tested thru post...Tribes main goal is nullification.

Tribe lacks creative ideas and fights to like a zealot to keep it that way.

Oh…And please do say that Tribe is an information trading post where intellectual minds can come together and share ideas…I have a comment for that too

Cough, cough, bullshit!

I don’t think capable minds (lets say, Einstein and De Vinci) would compare their ideals in a fashion remotely similar to this string. But then again Einstein did create the nuke so perhaps that was his way of saying, ‘Im tired of the constant bullshit’.

I wonder if there is an anagram to be deciphered in all of this? lol