Tribe.net. Local Connections Solari http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#c61d7e9b-4dd7-40b5-9200-425e415a03b9 2009-06-24T22:34:23Z 2009-06-24T22:34:23Z

For about 30 seconds it'll be a surfer's paradise.

Solari 2009-06-24T22:34:23Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#1268ebdd-c33a-4fe7-b096-7e2b12466e7c 2009-06-24T22:00:39Z 2009-06-24T22:00:39Z

2012: The Wrath of Ronald Emmerich http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/jun/23/2012-trailer-review

Hoopes 2009-06-24T22:00:39Z Solari http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#ccfa27a1-7b8a-4e15-a209-65fd55090975 2009-06-21T22:34:16Z 2009-06-21T22:34:16Z

We need Cormac McCarthy to do the screenplay. The world would end badly and that would just be too friggin' bad.

Solari 2009-06-21T22:34:16Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#45fb21c4-3136-4318-b610-a9a641ec142e 2009-06-21T22:29:33Z 2009-06-21T22:29:33Z

More trailers: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/movies/news/article_1484848.php/Two_new_destructive_trailers_Roland_Emmerichs_2012_hit! Main trailer blow-by-blow: http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1614368/story.jhtml

Hoopes 2009-06-21T22:29:33Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#25d6c1fa-f534-4f96-ac73-6c0cc232998b 2009-06-21T22:24:18Z 2009-06-21T22:24:18Z

The End Is Coming in '2012'? http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/2012-roland-emmerich.html The latest trailer: http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/2012-roland-emmerich.html#watch

Hoopes 2009-06-21T22:24:18Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#8fc67079-f033-431a-8ace-f5d070792dc6 2008-12-16T15:34:23Z 2008-12-16T15:34:23Z

The official website from Sony Pictures: http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/

Hoopes 2008-12-16T15:34:23Z MrOneness http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#b603da3c-12d2-4bdb-b5c5-a55e674f20f2 2008-11-15T07:50:01Z 2008-11-15T07:50:01Z

"Find out the truth" via google...?....

MrOneness 2008-11-15T07:50:01Z ~glen~ http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#6fa0d367-8aba-4770-8358-d2e81dd45ffd 2008-11-15T07:07:10Z 2008-11-15T07:07:10Z

"If you're going to judge whether they're "best" or not based on how well they sell/spread themselves," No. I'm not going to judge. No. I'm not creating a argument. No. I have not wound up with a lot of dreck. best products are based on being good, spreading is a by product. there is little or no difference between the best and worst dreck, good dreck is unwanted, discarded quickly, not saved nor cherished. requires paid advertising to spread at all. a self-evident proposition is one that is known to be true by understanding its meaning without proof or reason. It is self-evident that slavery is a bad idea. People treated as slaves don't naturally sell themselves. The point was the difference between what is solicited and what is unsolicited. "Quality is not a popularity contest." Unless it is made to be one. And that would be a good idea. A better idea. One of the best ideas. Spread it around.

~glen~ 2008-11-15T07:07:10Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#3d9cb738-668c-4c31-954b-d5b69135888e 2008-11-15T03:58:04Z 2008-11-15T03:58:04Z

well in fact Richard Dawkins in his book The Selfish Gene (1976) notes: “Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most effectively spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may prove detrimental to their hosts.”

$item.owner.firstName 2008-11-15T03:58:04Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#8e3936ec-ffab-4efd-b23e-228c784e508e 2008-11-14T23:05:52Z 2008-11-14T23:05:52Z

"The best products (and ideas) literally sell/spread themselves without paid advertising. " If you're going to judge whether they're "best" or not based on how well they sell/spread themselves, you're not only creating a circular argument, but you'll wind up with a lot of dreck. Quality is not a popularity contest. It's often exactly the opposite. There are plenty of popular ideas that "sold themselves". Slavery might be one, for example. Anti-Semitism is another. The best food, like the best ideas, is not always what sells itself the best. Sometimes the best idea is what most people try hardest to avoid.

Hoopes 2008-11-14T23:05:52Z orpheus http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#2869867a-240f-418e-a8de-0fc53cc9d93d 2008-11-14T23:03:32Z 2008-11-14T23:03:32Z

and the bag lady with the trolley of old newspapers is the savant librarian collecting treasures for the venutian academy of random intergalactic trivia... http://www.sign69.com/medialounge/space1468.html

orpheus 2008-11-14T23:03:32Z ~glen~ http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#54109dca-adf0-499e-95cd-53f96e98dd46 2008-11-14T22:51:10Z 2008-11-14T22:51:10Z

The best products (and ideas) literally sell/spread themselves without paid advertising. Word of mouth, unpaid testimonials, gossip, all of this spreads at an ever quickening pace. Thanks Internet. Products (and ideas) that 'need' the largest advertising budget/campaign may be doomed. especially if they can not adjust and truely come up with an actual 'new and improved version'. "The single most useful thing I've learned from science fiction is that every present moment, always, is someone else's past and someone else's future." - William Gibson

~glen~ 2008-11-14T22:51:10Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#3bb17f4f-ebe8-4f00-8239-bb5da48b8e21 2008-11-14T16:13:33Z 2008-11-14T16:13:33Z

thank God for that it's almost time for the underground to get some fresh air

$item.owner.firstName 2008-11-14T16:13:33Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#0bdd5af1-a849-4872-9163-e3c6841cf29d 2008-11-14T16:13:00Z 2008-11-14T16:13:00Z

This site is now the first one to come up in a Google search on "2012". Do you think it's a gimmick to create a buzz for the film? How will those names and email addresses be used?

Hoopes 2008-11-14T16:13:00Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#c3670d8d-854e-4b7d-a848-13753ff816d0 2008-11-14T16:10:05Z 2008-11-14T16:10:05Z

"The odds of human destruction in 2012 have been confirmed at 94%." Confirmed by whom? The same bookies who make a killing off Blossom Goodchild are gonna have even more fun with this one!

Hoopes 2008-11-14T16:10:05Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#352e37c6-56f0-4a17-afcf-1b3c17f18ff1 2008-11-14T16:07:53Z 2008-11-14T16:07:53Z

Did you notice the brilliant, low cost (actually *no* cost) "viral marketing" strategy for marketing this movie? At the end of the teaser, it simply says "Google 2012". We know what *that's* going to turn up, and propel into mainstream consciousness. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=2012&btnG=Search What a way to infect millions with the meme (and all that goes with it).

Hoopes 2008-11-14T16:07:53Z dreamweaver http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#bdd668f7-0ea4-4389-8aec-a722c2e05743 2008-11-14T16:01:09Z 2008-11-14T16:01:09Z

"How would the governments of our planet prepare six billion people for the end of the world?" how about this? hehe http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/

dreamweaver 2008-11-14T16:01:09Z orpheus http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#784a6197-f4ae-4bae-bd35-51687db258b3 2008-11-14T10:07:44Z 2008-11-14T10:07:44Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVi_2lHBVhQ

orpheus 2008-11-14T10:07:44Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#306167cb-ec94-4c93-8ef6-7034b96a923b 2008-11-14T07:18:38Z 2008-11-14T07:17:29Z

... not to mention Tibetan Buddhist monks whose bells and gongs are for meditation and prayer, not warnings.

Hoopes 2008-11-14T07:17:29Z infinite destiny http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#27086548-32e7-46ea-961c-cfce085472a1 2008-11-14T07:04:42Z 2008-11-14T07:04:42Z

On second thought, I'm glad this economy is going down the drain, maybe people will save their money and avoid this big ball of crap that is sure to not have any factual information/relevance to indigenous people...

infinite destiny 2008-11-14T07:04:42Z ~glen~ http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#0bb2a11b-fe74-4541-b67b-77e037405408 2008-11-14T07:00:25Z 2008-11-14T07:00:25Z

"They wouldn't." or is THIS their way to prepare? "...end to the world and tells of the heroic struggle of the survivors." Can it be the end if some survivors survive? The lucky lottery winners who get to repopulate Earth. John Cusack , Chiwetel Ejiofor, Thandie Newton, Oliver Platt Amanda Peet, Tom McCarthy Chin Han, Woody Harrelson and Danny Glover. Of course not all survivors will make to the end of the movie. That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane - Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world serves its own needs, regardless of your own needs. Feed it up a knock, speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height, down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning, blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle, light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh, this means no fear - cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide. Mount St. Edelite. Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic, slam, but neck, right? Right. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine...fine... (It's time I had some time alone) yeah the survivors will have some alone time.

~glen~ 2008-11-14T07:00:25Z infinite destiny http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#0959a7d5-a050-4c2d-90f4-0d458c2db19d 2008-11-14T06:57:50Z 2008-11-14T06:57:50Z

Am I the only one that cringes watching these things? I thought there might have been something sacred in this world, clearly there isn't. Hollywood: serial rapist.

infinite destiny 2008-11-14T06:57:50Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#573ceae6-fdef-41d7-8309-6f618131eb2c 2008-11-14T06:33:02Z 2008-11-14T06:32:40Z

Not a trailer, but a teaser: http://www.moviefone.com/movie/2012/30165/video/2012-trailer-no-1/2319402 "How would the governments of our planet prepare six billion people for the end of the world?"

Hoopes 2008-11-14T06:32:40Z little flower http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#260e2125-8df0-407e-8329-7035d4166d35 2008-09-12T09:37:17Z 2008-09-12T09:37:17Z

ah, i knew it! randy has been a shill for the mccain palin ticket this whole time! he's probably her nephew or something, studying real estate! damn, lol!.... :-P

little flower 2008-09-12T09:37:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#fb0a2fca-74db-4bd7-8b3b-b5c508eefdde 2008-09-12T05:17:44Z 2008-09-12T05:17:44Z

even weirder...

$item.owner.firstName 2008-09-12T05:17:44Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#c75ed8d5-c7bd-4795-9ea8-eb415a78837f 2008-09-12T05:14:12Z 2008-09-12T05:14:12Z

If McCain and Palin are in office during the lead up to 2012, this movie will undoubtedly sell a lot of real estate in Alaska, "one of the refuge states": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBuPgYn1oFY

Hoopes 2008-09-12T05:14:12Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#c0d4f0d7-a8a5-409d-b265-dd97449ee7db 2008-09-12T05:11:29Z 2008-09-12T05:11:29Z

weird.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-09-12T05:11:29Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#85f524c3-a014-4ee0-8663-d303b3afe7b4 2008-09-12T05:07:17Z 2008-09-12T05:07:17Z

Here's the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVi_2lHBVhQ Movies are big business. Expect the web to be abuzz with stealth and viral marketing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing If I were bankrolling this film, I'd be seeding websites and discussions all over the web. Wouldn't you? By next summer, 2012 will be an old cliche.

Hoopes 2008-09-12T05:07:17Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#fbaa4550-187e-4dd1-aa42-ece021a6ff64 2008-07-01T03:41:06Z 2008-07-01T03:41:06Z

Warning, spoilers ahead! Story Details for Roland Emmerich's 2012! http://www.latinoreview.com/news/story-details-for-roland-emmerich-s-2012-4921 "So here we have 2012, the latest magnum opus from disaster enthusiast Roland Emmerich. Hot on the heals of the disappointing prehistoric epic 10,000 BC, 2012 is a return to what Emmerich ostensibly does best – mass destruction. The hook this time around is the apocalypse itself; more specifically, the year of the title, which marks the end of the Mayan calendar and which many believe will be the end of the world. With the date rapidly approaching, the 2012 apocalypse theory has been a bit of a hot topic in recent years, and there has been rampant speculation been several books written on the subject. Mr. Emmerich likely saw in the theory a concept ripe for use in a big budget disaster movie. After all, the actual end of the world as we know it would surely make for the disaster movie to end all disaster movies. So does it actually live up to the promise of the concept?"

Hoopes 2008-07-01T03:41:06Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#6f5bcf97-6067-4881-b0b6-5217594d0ac1 2008-06-18T15:27:16Z 2008-06-18T15:27:16Z

Roland Emmerich, who brought us "Independence Day" and "The Day After Tomorrow", will have a new disaster film titled "2012" starring John Cusack and Amanda Peet (who's also starring in the "X-Files" movie) ready by next summer: http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN1340487620080613 The planned release date is July 10, 2009. Anyone know if Michael Bay's "2012: The War for Souls" is still a go? Two big 2012 movies is likely to make things even more confusing! I anticipate a year's worth of stealth marketing (including the quiet seeding of blogs and websites) in anticipation of Emmerich's move as the 2012 meme gets even more commercial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing

Hoopes 2008-06-18T15:27:16Z jOn http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#d35a1543-c758-4686-b2db-7d8094c0f705 2008-02-29T16:04:31Z 2008-02-29T16:04:31Z

Ooooh...how bout 2012, the THEME PARK!

jOn 2008-02-29T16:04:31Z Auton http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#e2c2f866-9a94-4ef3-aae4-e3f9d6680841 2008-02-29T09:02:44Z 2008-02-29T09:02:44Z

Very much so... I don't watch TV, but I happened to stay in a place where I could check out what's the "news" out there...the CNN, Colbert Report, Jon Stewart etc., everything is full of 2012. Indeed, time to cash in!

Auton 2008-02-29T09:02:44Z BRad http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#23b98579-c136-49a6-9836-7d1796bac5fe 2008-02-29T06:32:10Z 2008-02-29T06:32:10Z

And so the 2012 mystery hits the mainstream psyche...

BRad 2008-02-29T06:32:10Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#0d5d058f-d8aa-4c3f-87c4-02505963007b 2008-02-29T05:19:51Z 2008-02-29T05:19:51Z

Everyone gotta cash in before that date. It's priceless marketing. "I'm waiting for the Simpson's version." I'd love to see South Park's version of it.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T05:19:51Z jOn http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#6f1c21d8-601f-4517-a905-4a9ec75d95d6 2008-02-29T04:47:12Z 2008-02-29T04:47:12Z

I'm waiting for the Simpson's version.

jOn 2008-02-29T04:47:12Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#637d0c6f-963d-4b6b-b130-26d154ca12cd 2008-02-29T04:36:23Z 2008-02-29T04:36:23Z

Another major motion picture titled "2012" is in the works: Sony Snaps Up Roland Emmerich's '2012' http://www.cinematical.com/2008/02/22/sony-snaps-up-roland-emmerichs-2012/ Roland Emmerich brought us "Independence Day", "Godzilla" (the remake), "The Day After Tomorrow", and the soon-to-be released "10,000 B.C." The ancient Mayas must be spinning in ther tombs. (Hey, a great scene for a movie...)

Hoopes 2008-02-29T04:36:23Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#6a085bc7-42e4-474d-9afc-6ed81f051c14 2007-09-26T03:09:23Z 2007-09-26T03:09:23Z

He's a colorful guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitley_Strieber He's got a long history with the issue of global climate change, having co-authored the book that inspired the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". What's particularly intriguing re the Streiber/Pinchbeck scuffle is that Streiber was once a devotee of G.I. Gurdjieff, while Pinchbeck sees himself as an intellectual disciple of Rudolf Steiner. It's not surprising to me that each of them is fairly gullible when it comes to pseudoscience. Christopher Walken was cast to play him in "Communion".

Hoopes 2007-09-26T03:09:23Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#b53d6147-16e8-43fc-b85c-5aaf87fcbc0a 2007-09-26T03:02:45Z 2007-09-26T03:02:45Z

One and the same.

Hoopes 2007-09-26T03:02:45Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#ab824e04-22ee-4d1f-8c93-7dcbcca5cf36 2007-09-26T03:01:02Z 2007-09-26T03:01:02Z

The same Whitley Streiber who got in an argument with Pinchbeck?

$item.owner.firstName 2007-09-26T03:01:02Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#88526561-9761-4e7b-8f63-f5b662aabd2c 2007-07-17T03:15:39Z 2007-07-17T03:15:39Z

Looks like the success of "Transformers" may seed the hype for "2012: The War for Souls" http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/07/09/screenwriters-talk-2012-the-war-for-souls-michael-bays-next-movie/ I don't know about that title, which sounds awfully evangelical to me. There's also a 2012 movie for kids is in the works! http://www.cinematical.com/2007/05/17/another-movie-about-the-2012-apocalypse-this-one-is-for-the-k/ Another Movie About the 2012 Apocalypse -- This One is for the Kiddies Posted May 17th 2007 6:02PM by Christopher Campbell Filed under: Action & Adventure, Sci-Fi & Fantasy, Paramount, Family Films, Religious In about five-and-a-half years, the world will supposedly end. Don't worry, though, because it will be a lot of fun. That is the impression I get from Nickelodeon Films, anyway. The kid-friendly division of Paramount is making an action-adventure for the whole family that is based on the idea that the apocalypse is coming in December of 2012. Called simply 2012, the movie will be about a family vacation during that fateful month when, according to the Mayan calendar, and some UFO theorists, something devastating is expected to take place. 2012 will be written by Tom Astle and Matt Ember, and it will probably be directed by Tom Dey -- all three of whom were responsible for Failure to Launch. This is the second movie we've heard about so far that has to do with the Mayan doomsday prediction. The first is an adaptation of Whitley Streiber's upcoming book 2012: The War for Souls, which Michael Bay is making for Warner Bros. Though Nickelodeon's 2012 should be much lighter in tone, I have to assume that the whole premise will still be a bit scary for the intended audience -- unless kids these days just aren't afraid of the end of the world as much as I was (and honestly still am). According to Variety, those involved with 2012 have some time before they'll be able to get started on the movie. Currently, Astle and Ember are writing the direct-to-video spin-off Get Smarter: Bruce and Lloyd Out of Control and reportedly Dey is expected to be committing to other projects ahead of this one. The trio better not take too long, though, because they're running out of time. In only six years, either the movie will lose all relevance, or we won't be around to see it.

Hoopes 2007-07-17T03:15:39Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#e788f2c9-f6eb-4c23-ac87-99a689ccda78 2007-04-24T03:12:19Z 2007-04-24T03:12:19Z

Okay, here's another one: A guy goes on his first ayahuasca journey in the Amazon rainforest. After he’s drunk the brew and vomited a few times, he has an intense vision of a fantastically twisted flask made of multicolored glass. It contains a midnight blue liquid within which flash brilliant stars. The next day, he describes what he saw in complete detaill to his shaman guide and asks him what it means. “Can’t say,” the shaman replies. “Usually vision is a serpent.” The following night, he drinks more ayahuasca. There’s less nausea and vomiting, but the hallucinations are even more intense. He sees an enormous crystalline flagon with a long neck that loops around itself in complex coils. It is filled with a metallic liquid like mercury that flashes with flames the color of gold and blood. The following morning, he explains what he saw down to the last detail and asks the shaman what it means. “Don’t know,” the shaman says, shaking his head. “Usually it is snake.” The third and last night of the expedition, he takes another bellyful of brew. This time he manages to hold it all without vomiting. The visions are even more amazing than the ones he had the night before. This time, he sees an enormous emerald green decanter with a sinuous shape, wrapping around itself multiple times in impossible curves. It contains a bubbling, pearlescent liquid that glows like supercharged neon. In the morning, he goes to the shaman to describe his vision, again carefully explaining every last detail of what he saw. “Ah!” the shaman exclaims with sudden insight. “The return of pretzel bottle!”

Hoopes 2007-04-24T03:12:19Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#7e4ab12b-e048-4e98-9154-7517b9233d01 2007-04-24T00:39:01Z 2007-04-24T00:39:01Z

That's too funny!! However, I'm not sure either individual has smeared the other, even though their back and forth seems a little less than productive at times.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-24T00:39:01Z Smoke Jaguar http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#04082ebe-8197-47cf-b17d-400545130bb4 2007-04-23T19:59:41Z 2007-04-23T19:59:41Z

lol, funny and creative ideas. The hero twin mythology is soooo intriguing! I love it.

Smoke Jaguar 2007-04-23T19:59:41Z jameseye http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#b62f97de-4834-4b5d-964f-c2abdf14a74f 2007-04-22T21:15:03Z 2007-04-22T21:15:03Z

i also heard the Paris 2012 Olympics T-shirts are going for half price.

jameseye 2007-04-22T21:15:03Z jameseye http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#9ef11f21-9404-48ac-b08b-691ed2d761f0 2007-04-22T21:11:34Z 2007-04-22T21:11:34Z

Євро 2012 Залишилося дві доби!! Поки фаворити ми! __________________ Piłka jest jedna, a bramki są dwie Czas dokonać pewnych zmian w tej grze Скажи НІ "фф" "цц" "цо" та іншим спотворенням god that's funny............................

jameseye 2007-04-22T21:11:34Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#911fd42a-05dd-48e5-8f48-7af8fc5da5bb 2007-04-22T20:05:09Z 2007-04-22T20:05:09Z

Q: What do you call it when Carl Johan Calleman smears John Major Jenkins? A: A galactic malignment.

Hoopes 2007-04-22T20:05:09Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#ef2b4c07-7ec6-4c7e-878d-ba8cdd16cf3a 2007-04-22T18:22:30Z 2007-04-22T18:22:30Z

Meaning all those Google ads on this Tribe, of course. However, they do pay for this vast space in which all of us communicate. I'm thank ful for that. I also wish there were more jokes in this sitcom. Anyone heard any good 2012 jokes lately?

Hoopes 2007-04-22T18:22:30Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#4d1648bc-294b-4fb3-bcec-51758175dd47 2007-04-22T18:16:42Z 2007-04-22T18:16:42Z

I think we've already got the sitcom. I could do without the commercials, tho...

Hoopes 2007-04-22T18:16:42Z gayle http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#b75149c2-975c-4484-af67-f154f47c1162 2007-04-21T23:44:34Z 2007-04-21T23:44:34Z

I'm more like the fusion of the two twins, that they transform into when they realize that they are just two sides of the same thing. I guess that could be a third character, what the twins turn into every week when they discover that is the only solution to their latest wacky adventure.

gayle 2007-04-21T23:44:34Z jameseye http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#6e1af635-545a-4172-a744-87ac534b8b21 2007-04-21T22:20:45Z 2007-04-21T22:20:45Z

>I think the twins story should be made into a sitcom, every week a new adventure.< i think Gayle and Hoopes should play the twins. who would play who? Tim Burton would direct of course.

jameseye 2007-04-21T22:20:45Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#fe64be9a-f2bd-4333-abca-ff4bc448974e 2007-04-21T19:34:55Z 2007-04-21T19:34:55Z

"I think the twins story should be made into a sitcom, every week a new adventure." For a second I thought you were talking about the twin towers. That would be awesome, having a sitcom about 9/11.............I can't wait to see the episode where they find the passport of one of the "terrorists" in the rubble of the towers..........probably the best channel for that show would be the comedy channel.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-21T19:34:55Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#f6ec0c87-a288-487f-bcef-536cb8a3d529 2007-04-21T19:19:37Z 2007-04-21T19:19:37Z

Hoopes, who would the director be? Oliver Stone(d) ?

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-21T19:19:37Z gayle http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#750a2956-8dfb-4e93-8c3c-0ad4353df765 2007-04-21T18:13:29Z 2007-04-21T18:13:29Z

I think the twins story should be made into a sitcom, every week a new adventure.

gayle 2007-04-21T18:13:29Z Viki http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#520be498-2709-461c-aa2b-2648d2694269 2007-04-21T05:27:55Z 2007-04-21T05:27:55Z

Ha Hoopes! I like it as it presents a balance. I also like the idea that both become an integrated being - which is when I believe that we are functioning at our highest capacity.

Viki 2007-04-21T05:27:55Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#f607e0d5-60c6-434a-aa47-177e740c8b3e 2007-04-21T05:25:29Z 2007-04-21T05:25:29Z

"Plot Synopsis: The movie will focus on an academic researcher who opens a portal into a parallel universe and makes contact with his double in order to stop an apocalypse foreseen by the ancient Mayans." Stop an apocalypse? Are you kidding, we've been waiting 26,000 years for this sucker!...

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-21T05:25:29Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#66c94f85-23f2-4ba0-8099-23daff9190da 2007-04-21T04:10:48Z 2007-04-21T04:10:48Z

Yes, Gayle, that would make a good story indeed!

Hoopes 2007-04-21T04:10:48Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#3495849a-b14f-4daa-8e77-1b04f003dfe3 2007-04-21T04:09:49Z 2007-04-21T04:09:49Z

How about if the mystical twin persuades the science twin to turn his talents to producing a form of pharmaceutical corn that contains harmine and other harmala aklaloids along with N,N-DMT? http://www.ncga.com/news/notd/2005/june/062105.htm The new "ayahuasca sweet corn" (which has the added benefit of bypassing the nausea and other effects associated with the traditional form of ingestion) is widely distributed for general consumption by patrotic Americans during 4th of July festivities in 2012.

Hoopes 2007-04-21T04:09:49Z BòóM http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#79efd17f-f19c-426f-98f0-6dc48ee31c18 2007-04-21T00:32:11Z 2007-04-21T00:32:11Z

I am sure the movie they are making will suck.. I was going on my own tangent from Gayles post. Just having fun with it. B.

BòóM 2007-04-21T00:32:11Z gayle http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#23cc0f95-d26f-4b66-a8fb-4725f6ebfc7f 2007-04-20T21:10:33Z 2007-04-20T21:10:33Z

The twins could have a whole series of adventures, in each of which they are faced with some crisis and argue about how to handle it, and each time end up realizing that in order to solve the crisis at hand they need each other, and each time realize anew they are each incomplete without the other.

gayle 2007-04-20T21:10:33Z Celestine http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#c29b3d0f-5243-4c81-897e-c53c8fa4197e 2007-04-20T21:05:52Z 2007-04-20T21:05:52Z

It would be nice if Steven Spielberg would direct this and somehow attach it to close encounters. Somewhere in the milky way galaxy a great metamorphosis is about to take place. The fate of a planet hangs in the balance. The few who have awoken lead the way, giving hope while an alien race waits patiently.What will happen on that day...Dec 23, 2012...only time will tell. 2012 in theaters July of 2009 This film is rated PG13 for some graphic violence not suitable for children.

Celestine 2007-04-20T21:05:52Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#d410205f-1ccc-4bb8-b9b2-69cd56ecbc3f 2007-04-20T19:44:51Z 2007-04-20T19:44:51Z

folks, it's directed by Michael "Cocaine-Prodcutions" Bay. Let's get a reality check here, please. Quite a sure sign that this movie is going to suck ass in typical fake hollywood, cheese, blockbuster, testosterone/adrenaline pumping fashion. There are only two directors in the world who would have done this topic justice with artistic integrity, depth and spiritual insight.......unfortunately both are not around anymore: Andrei Tarkovsky or Stanley Kubrick..........can't think of anyone else.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-20T19:44:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#b2da9cd5-b71e-45ea-846f-aad51fe978c1 2007-04-20T18:48:56Z 2007-04-20T18:48:56Z

Shucks, Shaivite.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-20T18:48:56Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#3531a4d1-c56b-4f7d-8801-8f78056d928e 2007-04-20T18:20:01Z 2007-04-20T18:20:01Z

sounds rather too corny for me :-))

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-20T18:20:01Z BòóM http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#257e36e8-1371-4ffd-a02e-1575e4f476c1 2007-04-20T17:32:58Z 2007-04-20T17:32:58Z

I like it to.... my .02 fiction. The "science" twin has been genetically modifying corn, but with no real guidance and disastrous results on his world. The mystic twin has developed a deep spiritual relationship with the corn, and it is dying on his world. In a vision the corn transmits to him arcane symbols he doesn't understand, and isn't until he meets his science Twin that they realize it is the key genetic modification needed to save the species on both planets. They each must understand the thinking of the other to synthesize this vital information. The new "corn" has properties which revolutionize food, medicine, and spiritual growth..... Anyway.. great concept.. ;-) B.

BòóM 2007-04-20T17:32:58Z $item.owner.firstName http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#061d1f4c-dee8-4520-872e-22db02727fa7 2007-04-20T16:50:22Z 2007-04-20T16:50:22Z

"Hence, a plot subtext could be a synthesis of the methods of both scientific medicine and metaphysical alternative medicine in the diagnosis and healing of both the physical and the metaphysical illnesses of the world." Both methods could be corn-based, perhaps.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-04-20T16:50:22Z gayle http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#6e8a5755-e861-40a5-8b52-f9b9b694514b 2007-04-20T16:45:38Z 2007-04-20T16:45:38Z

"One "twin" (in this universe) would be the skeptical, rational, empirical lef-brained scientific researcher. The "twin" he discovers (in the parallel universe) would be a non-rational, spiritual, paranormal, right-brained mystical seeker. They would both have to work together to perform the required heroics, in the process revealing that they are not two separate individuals but one. Think it would work?" I like that! The twins argue and quarrel a lot, but underneath they really love each other, and in order to save the world, they have to learn to work together.

gayle 2007-04-20T16:45:38Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#8d1fce43-3dbe-41c3-b846-d994281ecf68 2007-04-20T16:40:35Z 2007-04-20T16:40:35Z

Part of story of the Hero Twins is a metaphorical account of their defeat of the sources of disease (the Lords of Xibalba). Hence, a plot subtext could be a synthesis of the methods of both scientific medicine and metaphysical alternative medicine in the diagnosis and healing of both the physical and the metaphysical illnesses of the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popol_Vuh I wish I could find the time to write this novel!

Hoopes 2007-04-20T16:40:35Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#dd271d4d-1381-4e99-a472-3c25d12fbf6e 2007-04-20T16:05:35Z 2007-04-20T16:05:35Z

The way I'd write it: One "twin" (in this universe) would be the skeptical, rational, empirical lef-brained scientific researcher. The "twin" he discovers (in the parallel universe) would be a non-rational, spiritual, paranormal, right-brained mystical seeker. They would both have to work together to perform the required heroics, in the process revealing that they are not two separate individuals but one. Think it would work?

Hoopes 2007-04-20T16:05:35Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#94e93eee-ba4a-40a8-857b-109f95237cd3 2007-04-20T15:40:14Z 2007-04-20T15:40:14Z

"and makes contact with his double" But of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Hero_Twins

Hoopes 2007-04-20T15:40:14Z Hoopes http://2012.tribe.net/thread/00185e1a-2aae-43f9-88b6-b5b69161ea5c#5ee06a2d-6429-4608-93a5-a1e779caa976 2007-04-20T15:18:04Z 2007-04-20T15:18:04Z

http://www.themovieinsider.com/m3981/2012/ "Plot Synopsis: The movie will focus on an academic researcher who opens a portal into a parallel universe and makes contact with his double in order to stop an apocalypse foreseen by the ancient Mayans." "Based on the book of the same name." Which one would that be??? (Pinchbeck's?) Anyone know more about this flick? This site gives an estimated release date is 2009. Alex Kurtzman, who also wrote scripts for "Xena: The Warrior Princess" is writing the screenplay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kurtzman I guess it's nice that the hero of the story will be "an academic researcher", but will he be a good scientist? ; - )

Hoopes 2007-04-20T15:18:04Z